How can people support taxation?

How can people support taxation?

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If you put "The threat of violence." and a picture looking down the barrel of a gun instead of the faggoty pixie dust shit the meme would pack more punch.

Of course you ancaps were never too smart.

You live in a society where the majority agreed on giving a little bit of their income to provide streets, social security and other social goods for everyone who can't afford them.
If you don't like it vote for a person who promise change.
If he doesn't win the vote the majority still gives "consent" on taxation.
So your last option would be leaving.
>Tldr
Move away if you don't like it fag

I like having all of these things at once:
>roads
>police
>firefighters
>healthcare

They have no choice.

Double digit IQ will think they have no choice because the man tells them and automatically takes their money

Triple digit IQ realize it's for the benefit of society and it should be an unspoken knowledge. It has held societies together for centuries

Don't like it, move somewhere else
Staying is your consent

go live in the woods if you have problems with paying for civilization

there's not a single major economy in the world that functions without large-scale state intervention

Don't pretend you're employed, faggot.

Move to Somalia.

You consent when you use things paid by taxes

>Triple digit IQ realize it's for the benefit of society and it should be an unspoken knowledge. It has held societies together for centuries
lolbertarians can't into the social contract

I don't care about people who can't afford them.
I don't care about streets or "social security".

It's my land and I own it, I'm not moving away for some socialist fantasies.

You'd still have if people didn't pay taxes, you just would have the choice to pick the best for the money instead of Big Daddy stealing in your wallet.

Oh because modern society is so good today. nowadays?

Civilization is a spook.

>frenchfag in charge of understanding how "things" are produced

good point

Want to not be taxed by an evil government? Go get a boat and live in international waters. It's your choice to live in a society full of people that actively want taxation.

There is consent. When there isn't, it's called a rebellion.

There aren't very many countries where you can live without taxes but actually they don't all seem so bad. I don't see why ancaps legitimately don't just go there.

1. Consent
2. Exchange
3. Exchange
4. Exchange

>What makes taxation not theft?

Consent.

You consent to live in this society. If you have a problem with it. go to the Boulder Outdoor Survival School. learn some skills, and then head to the woods.

In ancient times, it wasn't uncommon for gurus to head off into the wilderness and escape the confines of society. Just do what people have been doing for centuries.

But you're a libertarian, so you won't.

Maybe it's because there is something in human nature which ties them to a particular place?
Blood and soil user

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>It's my land and I own it, I'm not moving away for some socialist fantasies.
You were born in a land based on these principles
You were born most likely in a hospital payed by these socialist.
>I don't care about people who can't afford them.
Till the day you need them and then you are happy they excist.
>I don't care about streets or "social security".
And one day you get robbed or your house burns down and you back for fire fighters and police
Basicly this (as stupid this show is)
youtube.com/watch?v=e_-w_T-t8aM

What makes abortion not murder?

>Roads

Devils advocate: does the kidnapping victim consent to the kidnapping if the kidnapper feeds them just enough beef jerky between rapes to not starve

yeah, i think so.
what was better, without taxes? are we talking tribal humans?

>muh strawman

When you use things such as roads, public transportation, any emergency service, this is all consent, which you should pay for, unless you know, you don't, and then it's socialism :)

>why do I have to pay for roads when someone else can?
>everyone thinks that
>no roads

because small minds refuse to acknowledge they are small, because they have this little monster called the ego that takes the drivers seat whenever left or right brain or both gets uncomfortable

Public infrastructure.

Because of the chaos that results from a power vacuum. Its better to be taxed than to live in anarchy. Minus a state that can support itself with tax revenue, it would be rape and murder, pillaging, as it has all across history.

Create your own army, Defeat the current one. Establish your own tax regime, Or STFU.

No.

If you gave me beef jerky and I ate it the only consent I gave you was the privilege to gift me beef jerky.

>if I use the product of my stolen wealth then it's can't have been stolen

Social contract. You don't consent to getting put in jail either, neither do you consent to laws made 200 years ago prohibiting murder. Doesn't matter

>How can people support taxation?
Propaganda and threats.

I've been trying to understand what is the point of society and what is the point of government? I realized there is no escaping society in the modern world ive been so heavily impacted i will never leave. I can take breaks but never will i be able to self sustain without being part of society. Society is for the greater good and development of humans. Humans can use what they make to eventually make our lives so easy we dont have to work and can just enjoy/distract ourselves. Government is in place to make sure these procedures happen. But the government requires participation from all people inorder to keep functioning. And inorder to continue this road to make life so easy for us all, we contribute our lives and sacrifice ourself for work we may not enjoy. This is done to make humans that can put us toward our goal of not having to put much effort inorder to enjoy life. All of us must take the burden to bear if we want to society to continue for us and thus reap the rewards.

TL;DR: Inorder to have a better life for us all we must contribute from our own lifestyle. (obviously taxes are abused but a necessity to achieve progress).

Necessary evil. I don't blame people for wanting to keep their money, but come on. Taxes are the price of civilization, if you don't consent then you have mental problems desu

As any attorney will tell you, It doesn't matter what you THINK is right, Or what IS right, But what the law is.

>Social contract
I never signed anything. I never even saw it.

>You don't consent to getting put in jail for murder
You broke the NAP.

The better question is why do niggers steal when the government already does it for them?

Why do libertarians even want a nonviolent society? Why does anyone?

Society without violence or conflict would suck ass. We'd totally stagnate

If you don't like it, go somewhere else.

>Why do libertarians even want a nonviolent society?
Libertarians are not pacifists. They believe in retaliation.
They simply do not strike first.

Also, when you'll grow up and have a family, you'll want nonviolence too.
Violence is nice when you're young and single.

>If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberland

>Hey user we had a vote and all 9 of us want you to hand over your money
>What you don't want to?
>but why it was democratically decided
Just because you voted to take someone else's money doesn't make it not theft.

Bitch have you seen the cost of a hospital stay?

so go there

>Just because you voted to take someone else's money doesn't make it not theft.
They can not pay simply by renouncing their citizenship and fucking off to somewhere else.

Yeah that's why most democracies nowadays are republics too, with a constitution.

In a total democracy, if 51% of the people voted to kill the other 49%, it would be permissible.

>no i don't give you my money goodbye
it's so simple

>so go there
I can't mate, you get arrested if you go near the border.

You can go to Anguilla. There you don't have to pay taxes. It's really like a membership in a club.

Exactly. Violence is the right of passage which separates the wheat from the chaff.
It's the proving ground for young people

But what if they're allowed to leave any time they want to

Would be affordable for the layman were hospitals not overcharging due to the costs of top-to-bottom regulations by the state.

>because you were born here we own you money
Fuck off UN.

so go somewhere else
if you don't like the laws of the land, just leave

Our forefathers were wise in the fact they understood niggers just need some fried chicken, Watermelon and some drums to be happy, And a smart boss to tell them what to do.

Now that the illuminati has provided that for EVERYONE you're just unhappy that you're not on the team.

Homesteading theory isn't based on anything better than social contract theory.

It's all thin air, the difference is that I acknowledge it. While the natural law homesteading theorists scream their religion is based on absolute logic, ie. they are quite insane.

Doesn't matter. That's like saying
>hey 9 of us agree that we should destroy the house we're all living in
>you can move if you don't like it

>Born on patch of dirt.
>Given no choice in any major part because they are children
>Finally an adult.
>Realizes taxation is socially sanctioned extortion
>"Just leave if you don't like it"
>As if there is any state on this earth that does not have taxation.

Really clanks my marbles dude.

Then move to Somalia or go live in the wilderness if a few percent of your income is too much to ask for living in a civilization you greedy little cunt.

>pay up or we'll kick you out
Why is this acceptable to you?

What makes retards think AnCap won't devolve into a feudal society where the guy with the biggest army crowns himself King and start demanding tribute?

What's wrong with that?

>half of your income is a few %
I guess since commies want 100%.

so your system of choice would be
>9 out of ten decide to destroy the house they are living in
>the one person goes into rage because he don't want to and destroyes it himself
bullshit system

>a few percent
Underage who never paid taxes detected.

are docs and skinny jeans really that scary to you hicks?

that's why it's important that the laws be administered impartially and formulated with everyone's input.

I realize it may feel like that's what's happening (or not, since you're probably a neet poorfag who's just into libertarianism), but it's objectively not "hand over you're money" bad in any civilized democracy.

Move to Sudan or wherever. I mean, when all the places you might consider living happen to all have taxes, maybe you're consenting to taxation without realizing it. Like your mouth is saying "no" but your body is saying "yes", sort of thing.

Because by paying taxes government uses them do enforce the law, thus protecting citizens and care about my nation. I don't pay taxes for government, I pay taxes for my people.

They think riot kidz will organize local self defense squads but it won't go any farther than that, promise

when you participate in a society, and get to profit of of it, you have to follow the rules that society has agreed on, otherwise you get kicked out of that society
there is nothing wrong with that

The social contract that is turning all white countries into non-white countries?

I want to pay taxes because I like driving on roads and also enjoy not having to pay highwaymen as I travel.

Civilization is a meme. It needs to die.

Because people love being slaves...it is so comfy sitting in rot and muck up to your neck once you get used to it...if you dont want to sit in the swamp with the rest ,you will be called crazy and all kinds of things lol
I really hope "modern society" collapses very soon so i can see what people really are like

Because they cannot imagine any another way of getting the things government do done.


So if I buy my own piece of land, with all debts paid, I am the sole owner, yet somehow I am still required to pay property tax. Explain further how I am expected to 'move away'

Which all can be provided privately, consenually.

Forced confiscation of wealth is a source of sustained social cohesion, got it.


I rob you, then I build roads all around your house, then I say, see, I need to continue stealing your shit, because you're using my roads, asshole, you should be grateful I'm not charging you more.

Also, if I've never been to hospital, following your logic, I should be excepted from all taxes going towards healthcare, as I never 'consented'? However I am forced to pay, even if I never use such services. Explain the morality behind this.


There is no designated land for those who don't like government though, is it? Man is not a aquatic being. If I was a fish I would have no issues with your point.

Until someone realized they need a road, then they will get together and pay for roads. Roads were built in America in 1800's with this financing .

HURR DURR HURR
>30 billion dollar aid to Israel yearly
Without taxcucks the following things wouldn't exist:
Israel
Isis
Refugee camps
Africa aid trips
Cuck TV propaganda
Government sponsored genocide

>I like having all of these things at once:
>>roads
No need for taxes for them, people would get them done
>>police
I prefer a gun
>>firefighters
Not needed unless you're a retard who lives in a cabin with poor electric installation.
>>healthcare
I prefer private medical care since that shit benefits mostly high cholesterol fat fucks.

>using the government's land should be free
Nobody really owns their own land. They're just licensed to do with it as they will from the state in exchange for a payment of taxes.

>As if there is any state on this earth that does not have taxation.
>everyone should be responsible for what everyone else is doing to you
Why is it America's problem that Mexico would also tax you or the UK's problem that France would? You don't want to be taxed by a particular country, you have options to avoid that tax.

>Would be affordable for the layman were hospitals not overcharging due to the costs of top-to-bottom regulations by the state.
There are far worse regulated countries than the US with far cheaper healthcare. Healthcare costs so much because nobody has forced hospitals and drug companies not to charge that much and because their customers in each market will pay whatever they can afford out of necessity.

Move to based countries then, aka "come home white man"

>tfw no regulations

>So if I buy my own piece of land, with all debts paid, I am the sole owner, yet somehow I am still required to pay property tax. Explain further how I am expected to 'move away'
it's never your land you bought the right to build on it nothing more

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Sit back and relax kids, Soon we'll have a tax free state, Free of legal restrictions.

No it wouldn't.

Now suppose we all agreed to assign absolute property rights and that patch of dirt the size of a state absolutely belonged to a single person (this is not purely theoretical, this happened in history, feudalism, and can thus happen again).

How is this child in a substantially different situation? The land owner still has absolute control over his life, it's just that the taxation is called rent.

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Exactly, this is why AnCap are dummies.
_Some_ regulations are necessary.
Most libertarians nowadays are minarchists.

Actually, a lot of the people pushing for immigration are libertarians.

Reminder that libertarians don't believe in the social contract. Social contract theory and immigration policy are very separate, while libertarians are almost all proponents of open borders as a result of their anti-authoritarian, anti-coercion stance.

Then fuck off, parasite. You don't want to support the society, move to a place where it is not required.

You pay your taxes for the government to mismanage. Then charge take more of your money when that mismanaging causes budget deficits

Hmm. No, I think it's just an equal realization that taxation is unavoidable, while also realizing that someone should not have to give up the fruits of a capitalist society to not be taxed to poverty. So given your rationale the choices are live in objective poverty or live in subjective poverty that every year is inching closer to objective poverty.

>a little bit
See flag

>Actually, a lot of the people pushing for immigration are libertarians.
Do not mistaken left wing libertarians, which are more like hippies, and right wing libertarians.

>So if I buy my own piece of land, with all debts paid, I am the sole owner, yet somehow I am still required to pay property tax. Explain further how I am expected to 'move away'
Should a company or a private citizen be allowed to buy a bunch of land, set rules for that land, let people pay a one-time fee for the right to use part of the land in addition to a regular fee to mantain some infrastructure?

>which all can be provided privately, consenually
Yeah, police would corrupt the day it creates monopol, offering "safety" because if you don't pay -you get beaten up. You don't pay firefighters? Your house gets set aflame. You don't pay doctors? Your food suddenly gets poisoned. Every anarchist ideology would work IF people acted moral. They don't

Well if it's a promise I believe them...

What about the army? Do you think citizens would be able to defend the country with aks against chink invaders?

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>what is sales tax
>what is property tax
>what is inheritance tax
>what is excise tax
Don't act dumb.

Tell me Sup Forums
Would you pay for everything for yourself if you wouldn't need to pay taxes then?

Is consent when sister no kick?