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Literally impossible to debunk

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Who forces people to work for those employers that don't pay them enough?

>If a job is worth being done, it's worth being paid enough to live

That's for the one doing it to decide, faggot.

In a capitalist society people have no choice but to work if they want to live. Many of these people therefore have to work shitty jobs that don't pay well enough

Employers don't control the cost of living
Employers aren't responsible for your awful money-management skills
Employers mostly can't prevent you from obtaining multiple jobs

This.

Which is why I'm against employers hiring illegal aliens for slave wages and think they should be required to hire American citizens for a living wage.

pretty sure minimum wage IS a living wage. Y-you're nor seriously trying to support a family by flipping burgers are you?

>agreeing to work for someone you think is exploiting you to subsidize their desire to barely make a profit and get fucked by the government
Why do shitlibs hate small business? Oh right, because they aren't globalist shills that import the third world.

>entitlement at it's finest
>it's
worthless opinion discarded with prejudice

God I love liberals.

>the common man and woman is not smart enough to negotiate their own working contract with their employer
>behold, I enter
>tips fedora
>let me save thee from thy ignorance, common mortal
>demand 50 an hour or refuse to work
>your life is better without a job if you can't make a "living wage"
>just be homeless man
>BRB gonna go smoke a joint and drum with my friends
>oh no, I don't work. I live with my parents lol

And that's how Portland Oregon became what it is today.

If you're too stupid to survive on $15000 a year then you don't deserve to live. And if you have kids while working a minimum wage job then they don't deserve to live either

im what type of society do we all get to chill out and have everything we ever wanted?

>if you can't afford to pay a living wage, you can't afford to be in business

That's the entire fucking point you stupid cunt. If you increase wages beyond the threshold of affordability, jobs will disappear.

sure maybe small business would be able to pay workers living wages if they weren't being assfucked into bankruptcy by unnecessary taxes that only go to government waste.

And if these shitty low-paying jobs were gone, they wouldn't be working anywhere.

>If you're too stupid to survive on $15000 a year then you don't deserve to live.
Not everyone lives in shitty rural Midwest user

it's called 'at will' employment. Meaning you can quit anytime or I can fire you at anytime. No one is making you stay and you will be easily replaced.

>calling other people entitled while making such an aborrent post

Living wage is set completely arbitrarily and is in reality mercurial. There's no way state or national enforcement could keep up with shifts in the economy or tax code changes. Leaving wages to the invisible hand is certainly going to have a better result.

>rural Midwest
>shitty

Pick one, faggot.

externalised costs, if the government will provide healthcare, food, rent then why should any business pay more than minimum wage.

Maybe they should have waited to have kids, gotten an education, and made something of themselves. If they refuse to better their own lives why should someone else help them? They don't even help themselves.

lmfao $15,000 is like my annual grocery bill

Are you telling me I can't have everything I ever wanted for free??

I like how they blame low wages for killing their dollar value, instead of high taxes. Lower sales tax and income tax, cut well fair programs and get the same results.

by reducing wages, you reduce the cost of making the product, therefore you can lower the products price.
So yes the wage is lower, but the living wage also becomes lower, since you need less to buy stuff

Ok then let's say you live in Jew York City
>free public housing with utilities
>free food (stamps)
>free obamaphone
>free medicaid
>free public transportation

What the fuck are you even paying for? $15000 worth of weed?

>living in a world without small businesses
>only walmarts and other massive corporate stores
>all character and culture driven out of every small town and city until every place looks the same and there's no reason to go anywhere. a nations morale crushed as people stop feeling they have any reason to care about their cookie cutter communities that all look the same. a population ready to be controlled

we could move towards this future even faster then we already are

But they could.. so his argument still checks out.

>the absolute state of millennials

Wages are depressed by immigration. End immigration and wages will raise. You can't expect workers in developed nations to race to the bottom of the pay scale to match immigrants from shit holes.

>people have no choice but to work if they want to live

And what system lets them just do nothing and still be able to live?

>In a capitalist society people have no choice but to work if they want to live
just like in every other society

Wait we live in a capitalist society? Since when?

>You have to already be rich/successful to start a business

As a college student I spent about $40 every 2 weeks on food. Eggs, chicken, rice, pasta, broccoli, bananas, and even a couple snacks. If you're poor don't buy steaks and shit

You know what is keeping the minimum wage down? Immigrants. Immigration. Illegal hiring practices. H1b and H2b.

Are you against immigration? I am. Its an artifical valley created in large part by an uncontrolled immigration program instilled by a need for votes and cheap labor.

you mean reality user

>If you increase wages beyond the threshold of affordability, jobs will disappear.
If only we could have everyone working unpaid internships and slavery then everyone could have a job...

Wait why are my sales falling? Why won't anyone by my products? Better cut the compensation I pay my workers so I can stay in business. Strange it's almost like the more I cut the compensation I pay my workers the less money people have for buying goods and services!

You can always choose to not work that job if you think you aren't paid enough. It's THAT simple.

>you are asking

And they are saying yes.

What's the problem?

NatSoc is the answer, high trust homogeneous nations will take care of their own people.

real
communism

A "living wage" to gen-z is a laughable concept. To them, a "living wage" means enough to pay for their 2 newest iphones, desktop, laptop, and whatever new gadget came out this week on top of an 1,000 sq ft apartment for 1 person and finally enough left over to eat out 5 nights a week at their newest trendiest and overpriced restaurant that charges $40 for a "gourmet" piece of vegan toast on a plate. It's literally fucking retarded.

Once kids realize what a real "living wage" is, this idiocy is sure to end.

gas the taigs

Minimum wage hikes hurt workers. OP BTFO!! He's on suicide watch right now and can't shoot 10mm because of limp wristing.

literally not an argument.
If person A agrees to by paid by person B amount X for work, it is no-one else business however low X is.

oh so nowhere ever

Post-scarcity after we have fusion energy and near-complete automation

>1000$ per month for rent
>300$ per month food
>200$ per month healthcare
>@7.25$/hr w/10% tax = ~1122 per month
lol ok

Food isn't going to cook itself and fly into your mouth. In any society you need to work in order to live. People work shitty jobs because they have shitty skills.

>GIB US DA LIBING WAGES
>NO BORDERS AND SHIEEET
If you aren't reporting every illegal you can, you deserve the lowest wage possible wage.

>someone offers contract for $5 per hour
>sign that contract
leftists are just fucking garbage

this. liberals want their utopia now but we still havent built it yet

Serious question, would I still be able to buy good computer parts and play video games in in a natsoc society?

>1000 per month for rent
>either renting in an expensive city or needing an entire apartment to yourself when you work at McDonalds

Had it coming

>I should be able to live for flipping hamburgers that make people pieces of lard

get roommates. live with your family. stop eating avocado toast.

Mass migration

Depends where you live. Minimum wage here is around 11$. If It's only 8$, then you should pursue a hard labor job that requires little education.

Theres also the retarded policy that an apt won't lease you an apt unless you make 4x the rent

>People work shitty jobs because they have shitty skills.

Complete shit. This disregards the underlying economy completely.

Honestly we need a new union at this point. We are the most productive we have ever been and do not see any of the profits. My corp limits raises at 3% a year max and any promotion at 15% for 5 years. Quality work has no reward in our system because it was efficiency'd out. A corporations see it as moral to lower its costs and workforce to the lowest levels to serve the share holders not the workers.

some states have mayors and shit that literally tell law enforcement not to deport/not question illegals about their citizenship, it's pretty fucked when those in power in your city want laws to be broken and encourage it

yes, that's what Eastern Europeans do in Western Europe. share a tiny living space, send most of their wages back home. Fucks both the locals and the overall economy because they don't spend locally

why? we are all human, theres nothing different between us and third worlders than skin color

if people agree to make a little bit of money instead of no money, it is ok.

minimum wages are like black lives matter
belongs in a time 2 centuries ago

not that exploitation doesn't occur today but this is not a solution to it, its a simplistic heavy handed intrusion into the privacy and autonomy of people by simplistic minds who think they do something good but really just ruin everyone's success in the market

plus regulations need oversight, so more govt

no to all of it

Who told you you had to pay $1,000 for rent?
You idiots claim to be "educated" but you can't figure out that driving 40 miles away from a major metropolitan city-center could cut your rent literally in half. For fuck's sake you're honestly morons and pretend like you don't have a choice in any of this. Part of being an adult is making rational decisions. A rational adult wouldn't enter into a voluntary contract with an employer for $7.25 an hour if they knew they couldn't even cover the rent with it. A rational adult would walk out of town (work case scenario) to a place that a) would pay them more than $7.25 an hour and b) where rent wasn't $1,000 a month.

You faggots need to stop acting like every city in the country is the same as downtown manhattan or LA. Get some perspective and you can't afford to live there live somewhere else. Who told you while you were growing up that the jobs were supposed to come to you and that you deserved a six figure salary or to live wherever you want? You're the epitome of "entitled asshole" and the reason most people can't stand millenials or gen-z.

If you don't like it you have two options... fuck off and get another job... or fuck off and start your own. You sit there talking about entitlement when you're the one who's being entitled.

That's about the amount of money I blow off on rent. I do make 90k though...

the horrors of capitalism: you have to work if you want to live

KEK

>economic from a woman
Lemme just jot this down and store it in my agricultural tips from Africans folder

>Literally impossible to debunk

yeah if taxes eat half of your wage, maybe the taxes are to high and not the wage to low

*worst case scenario

Cut immigration and h1b and h2b as well and wages will go up. This shortage of workers is complete bullshit, if there were a true shortage wages would rise by simple supply and demand.

we have the same problem with spics here in burgerland. it's turning some cities, like mine, into shitholes.

Then how come they can't make shit work in their own countries?

I wanna say fuck you but I can't even disagree. It sucks too because a lot of places here are actually hiring like crazy. 1 week out of college I found a job. Just not exactly in my feild.

Fucking commies here don't understand the worth of earning your own money.

$1000 per month is the national average for rent for a studio dumb ass.

Even at 12$ per hour you are bring in ~1857 per month. Add in electric, water and trash that's 200 per month. Car payment and gas is ~250. Emergency money always required is ~200.

All together we are at $1950. No savings no fun times no off time ever.

You're right.

In the US we have these people called 'H1Bs'

They are the (((globalists))) indentured selves.

>If you can't afford to pay a living wage; AND pay personal, property, business, and wage taxes; AND local, state, and federal regulation fees; AND pay health/dental/liability/ and lawsuit insurance, then you shouldn't be in business.

legacy of slavery. if you disagree you are a nazi racist

Don't forget racial homogeneity, or it'll never be possible.

You can live off of less than minimum wage dumbass

thats called slavery. slaves had shelter and food and basically a job. people working less than living wage are slaves who arent whipped. why is that up to the government?

She's right, you know

My annual bill
$500 per month on food = $6000
$500 rent = $6000
$300 on medical, cellphone, utilities and miscellaneous = $3600
$15000 on escorts

That's a whopping $30600 on post-tax income

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Look up your area and find me a sub 1000$ per month that is not a roommate thing and a drug den.

thats not an excuse to pay your workers less than a living wage

>Employers mostly can't prevent you from obtaining multiple jobs
this is why in my country zero hour and other low hour contracts need to get fucked, i work as a manager in a store that's open 7am to 11pm 6 days a week and 8am-4pm sundays i couldn't get another job when i could be asked to work anytime between those hours, at least i have a decent contract, but there's people here working on 6 hour contracts it takes the absolute piss out of them and i encourage them to get another job

I wish people like that would go tell that to small business owners, mom and pop shops, & new startups. People with literally zero economic sense.

Slaves are people who aren't allowed to leave you fucking retard. It has nothing to do with wages

living wage????
dying wage?
Wage?

It's true, but I can also decide to starve to death and burn your house down just before the end.

This. You can live comfortably off dried beans and cheap vegitables and 5 dollar Walmart steak. Poor people are all on drugs or literally retarded.

I wonder how Kayla thinks companies start.

These people aren't forced to work in low paid work. Many are in low paid jobs due to their own moral failings, also low paid work is meant to be temporary not for the rest of your life.

Prices would go up if a living wage was introduced meaning the increase in the wage would make hardly any difference. It would also make it harder for poorer young people to get into work, cause why is an employee going to pay a teen £10 an hour for cleaning dishes???
Also introducing a living wage will put many people out of business which would reck the economy. An economy runs on consumption why should someone start a business when they couild make more money in an other country or for another employee

You're not going to solo sustain on minimum wage unless you live in a fly-over state with low housing costs.

The French concept of existence added a dangerous dimension to capitalism. Of course there's no chance of inducing a working understanding of this in someone who thinks communism is a good idea...

If people are willing to accept a wage, then that's on them.

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This is the faggotry I'm talking about. You whiney ass children think anything that's not a 5-star loft is "OMG LITERALLY A DRUG DEN!"

Why do you live somewhere that $1,000 month for rent isn't feasible unless you have a roommate? Why haven't you picked up and left to someone more RATIONAL to live? Why did you not finish college and get a degree that would cover your rent if you wanted to live without a roommate?

Again, these are all your own CHOICES. Nothing's being forced upon you. Nobody's holding a gun to your head to sign a lease or tying your legs and setting your car on fire to keep you from moving to a more affordable area.

At some point you'll have to grow up and take some personal responsibility instead of blaming "the big bad business-owner Boogeyman" for all your failures in life.