>Go into any museum today and you’ll find a white marble statueor two.But as it turns out, most of the people they were modeled onweren’t actually white — just whitewashed.
>This past spring, Sarah Bond found herself at the center of an unexpected controversy. Bondis a classicist, a profession that doesn’t really attract conflict, especially about race — untilshe wrote an article about on ancient statues and something called “polychromy,” an academic term that essentially means“lots of paint.”
>Bond’s question was simple — paintings from Ancient Rome and Greece show a wide variety of skin tones that reflected a multi-ethnic society.Julius Caesar, for example, is generallydepicted as a white man, when in fact historians believe he probably had a much darker, Mediterranean skin tone.So why are these statues always presented in bare marble?
>“We’re interacting with something that is a fiction.It’s something that was transmitted to us because paint gets rubbed away,” Bondexplains.“But at the same time it’s not something that is a reality, it’s a fiction that we really like telling ourselves.”
We've all heard this. Make more relevant threads with real input next time.
Jonathan Cooper
whoever said Greeks or Italians were white?
Owen Morgan
>So why are these statues always presented in bare marble?
Because it's marble?
James Hill
WE
Jack Garcia
then why not coloring it??
Jacob Moore
Vice is not a legitimate source of news.
Adrian Collins
Do this yourself next time, faggot. Stop making the nord do it for you.
Austin Morgan
Is there really any evidence the statutes were painted? I read some article saying it was so, but it seems so convenient for their narrative. And the status look so good with no paint, the actual form would be harder to distinguish if it were painted.
Caleb Martinez
>(((((SARAH BOND))))))
Andrew Brooks
>(((Sarah Bond))) we've had the same thread about this fucking kike 10 times already this month. stop posting it you nigger.
Dylan Wilson
one more picture of ((((sarah bond))))
remember, every time it is a kike e v e r y t i m e
David Cooper
>be a literal who >decide you want to be famous and get in on that sjw think tank cash money >find something dumb to Critical Theory™, doesn't need to make sense >get famous on the Pyramid Scheme Journalism websites >autists on Sup Forums complain about it for months >profit while still hating capitalism
William Fisher
Also in 2011 Sara Bond wrote a NYT article about not changing history.
Easton Baker
The opposite is true, Pharaohs were white, so was Jesus.
Kayden Evans
Because we don't know how it was originally colored.
Do you want a remake of that fucking Ecce Homo resoration, or do you want to just suck it up and see white marble?
William Moore
The statues used to be colored but the paint came off over time.
Robert Nelson
White marble was the material because it's beautiful.
Julian Fisher
That is a fucking dude btw
Anthony Sullivan
Damn, marble covering those obvious ebonic facial traits of ancient statues and shiet!
Jace Thomas
are you always on?
Brayden Gomez
It's honestly pretty interested to see that ancient Rome was a successful multiethnic state. It creates a pretty inspiring precedent for the present, don't you think? We should learn from their successes.
Alexander Turner
I majored in classics at college, everyone fucking knows that those statues were painted. People have known this for hundreds of year. Good job on Vice getting woke about something that everyone with even a passing knowledge of ancient art should have already known.
Consider the following, this is a replic of Athena Parthenos located in Nashville, Tennessee. It's from the 1800s when Tennessee held their Centennial Exhibition and inside of a replica of the Parthenon. Notice, she is painted.
Jaxon Bell
Most of the time
Charles Cook
so originally the statue was painted? then who uncolor the statue?
Josiah Watson
What other fucking stone should sculptors work with? You think that black onyx is going to be easy to make a statue out of? Nothing to do with color and everything to do with access and how easy the material is to work with. Also Europe was white.
Eli Baker
The whitest of marble will not make a nigger nose look like a white man
Mason Perry
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Lucas Johnson
They can detect how they were colored now.
Angel Reed
It faded with time
Lucas Rivera
Time. Also notice the fact that she is blue eyed.
Brandon Parker
This. Their are whining at an non-issue.
Leo Lewis
I long for the day of the rope.
Wyatt Nguyen
That was a trait of Athena that made her stand out.
Ryder Campbell
They can unlock some of the color from paint particulates trapped in marble. But sometimes the color isn't entirely accurate. Augustus of Prima Porta was found underground so the paint was pretty much all gone. They got the overall color for certain bits but the shades are speculative.
It's very accurate. But not 100% sure. Besides, I don't think we should be making changes to sculptures. Just put a picture in front of it to show how it originally looked.
Benjamin Gonzalez
"Italians aren't white" -VICE News
MEDS ETERNALLY BTFO HAHAHAHAHAHAH
Bentley Bell
This. You don't fuck with art you didn't create.
Cooper Murphy
Without pigment, you totally can't tell that this guy is african.
It's not your fault that - taken as a whole - the United States places little to no value on literature, the arts, history, philosophy, etc., despite any of its citizens successes in these areas.
Carter Hughes
Also this statue was started in 1982, not 1800s.
Noah Watson
WUZ
Landon Lewis
>Is there really any evidence the statutes were painted? Not really.
Daniel Williams
fucking puke. These designs and colors.
Yep, they were "Greek" alright.
Angel Jenkins
So SJWS caught up with Dragon Ball now? I bet none of these people watched Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Z
Robert Cruz
lol this is pure lunacy. Also tells me they've abandoned the, "all civilizations are equal", routine that's been floundering the past few decades.
>Guys, nobody is buying the equality narrative >Then everyone has to share the good part of the world!
Kayden Hughes
>Is there really any evidence the statutes were painted? Yes, for the most part the paint left behind traces. Lead based paint stays a long time. The issue is that most of sculptures weren't kept in perfect condition. Augustus of Prima Porta was underground for example. A lot of Roman statues were originally copies of bronze statues. And because of that the sculptor might have taken liberty with the coloring.
Asher Cruz
Huh? They literally all look white except for a bronzed one
Angel Moore
SPACE MONSTERS
Sebastian Anderson
get a gf and save your people. We all appreciate the work you do for the board, but real life action > internet action
Henry King
>Europe was always Arab and Black
Jonathan Long
((((they)))) have developed so many great methods for determining the ethnicity of ancients
Asher Watson
nah she doesn't even watch it
like SJWs with comics
Jaxson Smith
Somebody should tell them theres a female super saiyan with green hair and big muscles, just like feminazis love it... and also that the smartest person on earth is a blue haired woman
Luke Williams
"Whitewash" is a really cheap form of paint that actually colours things white. What's happened to the statues is regular old fucking washing.
Lucas Edwards
This. Look at their eyes, lips, jawlines, cheeks, noses, brows, hair and hairlines etc. Do they look like jigaboos? Not at all.
My degree is in Classics and dirty kikes like this one are shitting up the discipline. In one of the articles she complained that Classics are too white and need more diversity and to appeal to people of color. Why does everything have to be dumbed down to cater to niggers? Most of the people in my classes back in uni were lazy and moronic whites. Standards of education had already fallen. Do we really need to drop them further in the name of Diversity - leftists' God?
Christopher James
Lol
Landon Murphy
Also the femBroly one is a lesbian, apparently
Asher Mitchell
non whites beleive thier silly racist shit
and government academic fuels thier mental disease
blacks were farm equipment and jews were conniving thieves who got extermainted every few years
nothign has changed
There are Italaian boosk shows in histy of kings of Italy jews were run outa town on pain of extermination every 10 yaers or so
they would come back and start jewing
then king would say enuf all fo you out by dawn or we massacre you all repeat for 100s years
Brayden Bailey
go to any old building from the 1700's/1800's or any grand warship from that time and you'll find the ceilings are quite low and the door frames are small. that's because people weren't taller than 5' back then. point being people looked different in the past, and the statues constructed are only the hopeful images and wishful thinking of how they wanted to be seen and 'remembered' in the future.
I don't think anyone has ever really looked as immaculate as a sculpture of themselves presents them to be. this article is more irrelevant liberal garbage.
Michael Allen
> (((Bond))) Another Jew abusing classics for their own purposes much like Donna (((Zuckerberg))) (Mark Zuckerberg's sister).
What is this argument? That they deliberately did not repaint sculptures for some white supremacist agenda?
When they use the word "whitewash" they are making a racially charged accusation of conspiracy... Manipulative high society Jews.
Carter Sanchez
i would say as a group of people who totally dependent on fire for in internal light source would probably have a fucking tan
Thomas Mitchell
>when in fact historians believe he probably had a much darker, Mediterranean skin tone so greeks aren't white?
Chase Reed
why isn't israel multiethnic?
Justin Sullivan
>people were shorter than 5' Women and children sure, the average man in the 1700s was 5.5', men from the Middle Ages were actually taller on average.
William Ramirez
>Besides, I don't think we should be making changes to sculptures. They restore paintings all the time how would this be any different?
Jack Hughes
The Nashville Athena is actually a replica based on description while one of the best surviving Athenas look like pic related (Athéna Varvakeion). But even pic related is a Roman copy of a Greek original. There's only one surviving original of Athena and it's a miniature. A lot of Brinkmann's replicas are Roman copies but the Korai and Bronzes are most definitely by Greek sculptors.
Some of them less then others
That's a Scythian, not a Greek. And yes the colors are disgusting and completely ruin my opinion of some of the sculptures.
Gabriel Edwards
>how would this be any different? Restoration work is a contentious issue, actually. And in the case of restoring art work you know exactly what color and how it was done. Because it's still there it's just beat up a little.
When recovering the lost paint from the marble shades are not 100% assured. You know it'll be red but not which red, for example. You don't know if it's supposed to be matte or glossed. If you only find paint in certain parts of the statue, can you assume the rest of it is supposed to be that color?
Noah Bailey
>Why not paint this 2200 year old bust of Socrates?
When will we nuke Britain?
Wyatt Roberts
Just found a bronze statue of the emperor hadrian. Look how brown he is!
He looks just like an ethiopian!
Totally never would have noticed if that statue had been made of marble instead!
There is a way around this dilemma. The colors may fade over time, but the original materials – plant and animal-derived pigments, crushed stones or shells – still look the same today as they did thousands of years ago. This can also be discovered using light.
Infrared and X-ray spectroscopy can help researchers understand what the paints are made of, and how they looked all that time ago. Spectroscopy relies on the fact that atoms are picky when it comes to what kind of incoming energy they absorb. Certain materials will only accept certain wavelengths of light. Everything else they reflect. Spectroscopes send out a variety of wavelengths, like scouts into a foreign land. Inevitably, a few of these scouts do not come back. By noting which wavelengths are absorbed, scientists can determine what materials the substance is made of. Infrared helps determine organic compounds. X-rays, because of their higher energy level, don't stop for anything less than the heavier elements, like rocks and minerals. Together, researchers can determine approximately what color a millennia-old statue was painted.
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Josiah James
WE WUZ SEIZURES N SHEIT
David Green
If ancients wanted darker looking statues they would have used darker materials.
White has always been considered better.
Ryder Lewis
never forget, italians aren't white, that's just a marble misconception
Jose Baker
Alexander Sarcophagus
Adam Ortiz
>Saiyans Freiza did NOTHING wrong.
Liam Lee
Because they probably couldn't?
And white/fair is always seen as better when it comes to humans, so depicting themselves as such would be ideal.
David Cruz
I like the colors. see He's joking.
Wyatt Ross
They were painted originally(white). 19th century museum displayers liked the look of bare marble and scrubbed the old paint off.
Kevin Nguyen
maybe because they liked the way it looked?
Nathaniel Scott
>why the fuck is this a thing nowadays. I had a bunch of fags at uni talking about how all the Marble and statues in greece and rome "were painted" wich was fucking common sense coming out of AP history in fucking highschool, but then they go on to say that its "white" people erasing "colored" history and how its all connected.
tried to chime in with, how about if its just us leaving them how it is because we dont know the original fucking colors? who are we to fuck with history. another teacher tried to push how "alot of vikings had muslim roots because they all carried muslim jewellery or clothes"
oh yeah because they didnt fucking invade the medeteranian or fuck shit up with the varangian guard.
Carter Bell
You do realize Rome ruled by fear and distraction right? If the bread and games didn't distract the nonromanized people then the legions made sure they behaved.
Bentley King
They used marble because it had the consistency to be carved into beautiful details forms. A completely unique stone.
Fuck these people. Fuck Vice. Fuck fuck fuck.
Jordan Clark
well i'd assume that trying to remaster a ancient priceless piece of art is probably not looked highly upon
Owen Gray
Vikings made trips down the Dnieper into Constantinople to trade their amber for all kinds of shit. They would buy Damascus steel and arab goods.
This, all the educated movers and shakers were Greeks or educated in Greece. Everyone else was a pleb serf.
Levi Lee
yeah, thats what i ment, someone published some article about how some viking woman was buried with a muslim ring, so therefore they was muslims n shiet. even though one of many things could have happened.
John Cook
Not even these details. Marble is special. It's versatile and allowed for wonderful forms to be carved. Marble is hard yet soft. It has a unique consistency.
Brandon Reed
>Julius Caesar, for example, is generallydepicted as a white man, when in fact historians believe he probably had a much darker, Mediterranean skin tone.So why are these statues always presented in bare marble? Except the reconstructions of Julius Caesar's bust (conducted by analyzing the remnants of paint with ultraviolet light) depict him as a white man. Mediterranean skin tone darkened substantially in the 7th through 19th centuries. I'll let you guess why.
And while yes, the original idea that the Greeks made bare white statues, it was perpetuated not because of racism, but because of the actual beauty. The sculptors of the Rennaisance in the 14th and 15th centuries created white marble statues- not only were they likely significantly darker then antique carvers, but they did this before the "social construct" of race even existed.
The reason it was done was because the white allows contours and shadows to stand out.
Jose Harris
Fuck this is a real person? I thought it was a bot
Nathan Baker
ofc
Isaac Ortiz
The reason that was done is because what's restored is the base primer coat and the additional details were not preserved over the ages.
Hudson Watson
>Except the reconstructions of Julius Caesar's bust I don't think they've done one. Your pic is of Augustus Caesar. They probably both had a similar skin tone to Caligula. That is, tanned med.