Americans Don't Want To Work Jobs Mexicans Take

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The lack of visas has denied hundreds of families in the city an annual income that saves them from living hand-to-mouth and deepened the problems of a town struggling, like much of the state, with high crime rates. Of an estimated 4,600 to 6,000 residents who normally work the carnival season according to city officials and recruiters, about a third have been left behind.

Instead, they are selling tacos and driving taxis, or working for just over $1 an hour in the tangerine and banana fields that surround the town. Some use Google Translate and WhatsApp to check their visa status with their former American employers.

Mr. Trujillo is working as a driver for a construction crew, earning about $85 a week, less than a quarter of his carnival salary.

He used savings from his time in the United States to buy a plot of land and build a one-bedroom house, even splurging on a $350 stroller for his son, now 22 months old. This year, however, “there will be no proper Christmas, no presents, no turkey,” Mr. Trujillo said. He abandoned plans to take his son to a safari park in nearby Puebla state for his birthday. “I can barely make it day to day.”

Martín Peña, 34, who has spent two seasons with an Ohio-based amusement company but has not received a visa this year, said he had put off plans to buy a couch and a washing machine for his mother.

From the United States, Mr. Peña sent home as much as $300 a week from his take-home pay of about $345, eating fried chicken or cooking eggs with chili and tomato to save money. He tore down the wooden shack where he lives with his parents on the edge of Tlapacoyan and built cinder block walls. He also paid for his father’s treatment for typhoid.

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>carnivals fail bc they suck anyway
>somehow this is a problem

I have literally never seen spics at a carnival where I live, just white guys with long hair and half full cans of Coors Light.

>people don't want to shovel shit at $7 an hour
>as a business owner you shovel the shit yourself or you raise the wage of shoveling shit to something that people will do it for

Mass immigration is just a scam to lower the cost of labor. It's great if you're rich. It's terrible if you're not.

>thread title is "Americans Don't Want to Work Jobs Mexicans Take"
>OP is sob story about Mexicans being denied visas to do unskilled labour in the US
>nothing about the job vacancies left by the Mexicans going unfilled

Same. And I live in LA.

I'm 18 and working landscaping and construction. While they may only be summer jobs, allowing me to save up for advertising for a website/mobile app I'm releasing in the fall, this idea of Americans not taking jobs is absolute horseshit. Minimum wage jobs are jobs for children. Minimum wage job were never meant to be careers. That's why kids like me should, and are filling them.

Not when they've been told they're entitled to a $15 an hour wage. The whole reason illegals are given jobs is because they work at below minimum wage, and won't go to the police for fear of being deported.

American millennials don't want to work period.

INC 9144 San Jose is a drywall/lathers union, wages are about $50 an hour plus benefits. Half of my union is filled with wetbacks with fraudulent SSN numbers who claim 9 on their W2s and don't pay a Nicole in taxes.

I know this because I am a foreman who passed out their checks for almost 10 years. Plenty of Americans want these jobs, but the wetbacks and their commie race traitor allies have taken control of the unions.

Americans don't want to work for wages that won't allow them to make rent, much less save money or raise a family. That is a perfectly defensible position. If large companies stopped lobbying empty suit politicians to bring in more third worlders, companies would have no choice but to increase wages. If a construction worker made $19/hour with benefits rather than $10/hour, guess what, suddenly whites would be becoming construction workers.

UBC 9144
United Brotherhood of Carpenters

>$10/hr
See
You really have no clue, cubiclefag.

> Liberals want 15 dollar per hour wages
> Also want mexicans to do really cheap labor and poor working conditions

Makes no sense.

This. When I was a teenage ruralfag in Nc, we worked in tobacco fields for summer jobs. It was hot, nasty, shit work but it paid $10 an hour under the table (serious money for a kid at the time) which beat McDonalds shit pay and hours. Along come the wetbacks who do it for $5 an hour. I haven't seen a white kid work a field in 20 years.

If we weren't flooded with illegals, farms would either automate picking or be forced to raise wages until people are willing to do the work.

Aren't democrats the ones who are always bitching and moaning about a "living wage"? If they had any ideological consistency they would be all for a wall.

Automate those jobs. In the end of we secure our borders and get rid of anchor babies it will force people up the food chain or push them off. Robots do those jobs. You can give the robots affectionate names like paco, pablo or Juan.

$50/hour construction is crazy high compared to where I live. I did it for a couple months on the east coast making $11/hour with no benefits... but I was young and single so it wasn't THAT bad. Still, it was barely enough to live on. My point is that wages are so low in large part because human capital is overabundant ... due to large corporations lobbying congressmen to let in beaners, Africans, etc

He shouldn't have stolen that job from Americans then. Fuck him.

This article just validates why immigration should be illegal. Sending money out of the country is uncapitalistic. If you don't have an argument just shut up you're making the left look like retards.

Take away welfare and shutdown cia drug trafficking and suddenly you have millions of niggers ready to work.

^ this

illegal immigration is a scam to exploit desperate peoples. Always remember Lincoln was a republican. The democrats have always wanted ways to profit at the expense of others.

>either automate picking or be forced to raise wages until people are willing to do the work

This

Great, now nobody can afford to eat. Rural retards.

How is it that they can always automate the jobs Americans won't take but still insist on importing foreigners to do the same jobs? Why not eliminate the position and automate it fully nationwide? Why don't they expel they same energy building their own nations?

I remember my day at the Amusement Park this summer.

I go there with my kid once or twice each summer.

The place had been getting browner and browner - and the workers were almost all brown.

But this year I see lots of young whites working there, some from their accents from foreign countries, but mostly whites.

And the patrons seem to have gotten less brown too.

It was really nice - it felt more like what I remember as a kid going there myself.

HAHAHAHAHA


What happened to livable wages? What happened to the minimum wage? What happened to employers should provide health care? etc. etc.

Why do leftists IMMEDIATELY abandon all their principles if it would cost them votes?

>Mass immigration is just a scam to lower the cost of labor. It's great if you're rich. It's terrible if you're not.
Absolutely this.

I don't understand how the "champions of the working class", the left, can't see this.

I know right, nothing is affordable since we banished child labor laws.

Fuck them.

Perhaps instead the shitty conditions of their own nation will compel them to unfuck their own shit instead of ignoring the corruption and being a parasite on more civilised nations.

I'm a rationalist not a liberal and guess what? MONEY ISN'T MADE OUT OF THIN AIR

>current year +2
>not growing your own food

"What's outsourcing" the post

Have you ever left your inbred dirt road village?

It takes an even worse job to want a bad job. I work afternoon shifts (14:30-22:00 or 17:00-00:30, depending on workload), and I take almost any other job in a heartbeat if it meant that I were working during the day and being able to go home and spend time with my family.

just fukin automate everything.
i don't care anymore.

I would take almost*

You don't have manual pickers for staple crops like wheat or corn, you only have the them for superfluous shit like tomatoes or tobacco.

Your hipster avocados are going to be 25% more expensive. Big fucking whoop.

Doing the jobs no one else Wants like rape, murder, selling drugs and stealing

>Americans don't want to work for artificially lowered wages caused by illegals that are still here
Really activates my almonds, Pedro

The left was only ever the champion of the working class in Europe, in the USA its roots are related to Puritanism.

$11.25 an hour and headed to 15 by 2020

>we chun just survav on wheat like ma grandmama used to
You're really dumb.

I think you 2500% more expensive

Corrected for inflation? So how much Purchasing power?

and now I imagine it has a worse status because of it. I wouldnt want to work with a bunch of illegals who dont speak the language. And with that reputation tainting the profession I cant imagine many people will give it a shot so long as it persists.

This absolutely

If you were unable to hire mexicans cheap, you would be forced to pay people a decent salary, and then people would take the jobs.
Non-issue low IQ post

>stop immigration
>make minimum wage $15 an hour
>white apple picking teenagers and low class whites get living wage
>"the gop realized it was time to help Americans get a piece of the American Dream"
>liberals who wanted $15 for brown people eternally buttblasted but can't say why otherwise they're raycis, they got what they wanted after all, right?

If wages all across the board go up food being a bit more expensive gets more than compensated for. Western Europe and the European derived nations achieved incredible quality of life post WW2 until the mid 1960s, after that the floodgates were opened and ever since then wages have become mostly stagnant if they haven't actually declined.

Then that's what they get for using exploatative business practices if they can't actually compete they die. And Montana farmers don't use illegals and oil workers and farmers at the top of our nations oil and agricultural output is Kern County California and its 55.5% republican and the oil workers/farmers are overwhelmingly white for a County that is 34.8% white 28% of the kids.

I thought leftists wanted to force companies to give people higher wages? Or do you just want an excuse to flood the country with more brown Democrat-voters?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protectionism

>Ingoring the great gap of time between banning child labor and global outsourcing
>Ignoring wages used to be relatively meritocratic
>Ignoring the great CEO compensation and immigration hike of the 70's

Economic history is not part of higher British education. Mass immigration only benefits large companies and corps for short term profit. Fuck them.

It's sort the same in Germany and I guess most of Western Europe btw, the construction industry here has declined massively because international companies can just hire a bunch of Eastern Europeans to do the work much cheaper.

>Minium wage will destroy industries and small business
says pol

>Instead of hiring foreigners these small business should pay more!

Fucking retards

A lawful minimum wage and the economic forces of supply and demand are not the same thing.

wage should be appropriate to the labour performed, this should not be forcefully done by the state though.

Yea New England and Cali were where all the Calvinists settled strangely enough. Now they are liberal thoops who bring the white birth rate below replacement rate and bitch about everything. Most white leftists are Jews,white millennials born between 1989-1990 who don't have kids, race traitors, and old white women.

>pol is one person meme
Also:
Key difference being that the focus in this thread lays on big companies and not small business.

I am always against a high minimum wage, however, a wage must not be behind inflation nor be artificially lowered by a gaint influx of people coming legal and mostly illegally

All of these shit jobs illegals are doing will be automated in 5-10 years anyway. We don't need them. It's why it's so confusing that Germany is importing millions of niggers/muslims. What jobs are these people going to be doing when all basic labor is automated and they cant speak German and have no skills?

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>implying I wouldn't want to work at a carnival
These fuckers who make the "b-but Americans don't want to work the jobs" argument are just assholes that don't want to pay the us worker what they should be paid.

>Calvinists
Not really. The Netherlands is a calvinist country and has a high number of right wing parties and relatively high birth count among whites

the "Jobs Americans Wont Do" lie did a lot of damage because now Americans think there's jobs they shouldn't do.

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But even you guys had a lot of crippling silence with regards to Islam that only got broken by a bunch of somewhat high-profile murders.

Jobs (((aimed))) to inmigrants should be replaced by robots.

This is a fact and should be promoted to mantain your own population. Stop the inmigration meme now jews.

The Netherlands is not weimerica. And what's a high birth Count 1.7? It's 1.8-1.9 in the United States and this is considered crisis level.

you have to go back

True, if you look from the outside, but man we have had high profile people being able to say present anti-islam stances and it has really caught up in the last 3 years. We now have 2 parties with explicit anti-islam stances, both growing very hard.

I would also like to add a lot of polarisation is going down; that is to say sjw and usually everyone else are clashing more hard.

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Relatively speaking (for a country with 17 million people and a tiny piece of clay) we have a high birth count 1,7, which is higher than the 90's

>high
Replacement rate, The rate needed to not die off, is 2.1

No most developed countries have low death rates so the population ages and it's not like people are not having children. Anyway like I said a Hispanic birth rate of 2.1-2.2, a black birth rate of 1.8-1.9, an Asian/Native American birth rate of 1.5, and a white birth rate of 1.8-1.9(varies by region and cultural background) are already considered crisis level. Whites Liberal subgroups like I said earlier have 1.3 kids on average compared to white conservatives have well over replacement birth rates.

Imagine what the wage would be if we didnt have mexicans undercutting every job for 20 years. Seriously, mexicans have depressed wages.

If they have to make a choice between paying higher wages for unskilled labor and moving overseas, companies are going to choose the latter every single time if they have the option to do so. Furthermore, the ones that relocate or outsource will end up outcompeting the ones that refuse to do so, because they will be able to offer their products at a lower bottom line in the end. The only way to deal with this is to have a border adjustment tax, but that itself has a number of potential problems attached to it.

Death rate does not apply to birth rate
2.1 is what you need for the children born to replace their 2 parents in the next generation, lower, and you have a net loss of population every generation

>Sent over 86% of his wages out of the country
Wealth that will never come back.

Yep. This.

>Amerifats in danger of starving

Oh I see what you mean. Yea the amount of whites 17 and under has fallen sharply but is more or less stagnate now thankfully. Also the amount of whites 4 and under has increased by about 15,000 from 9,895,000 in 2015 to about 9,910,000 in 2017 by the fact white millennials are outpacing GEN Xers.

Oh I feel so bad for immigrant labor companies BOOHOO

Markets bitch, you either do something to attract labor or go OUT OF BUSINESS. Our society doesn't revolve around your low labor costs. There are some things more important in this world.

Having a white america is far better in the end anyway, even if you lose a few shitty businesses.

Take a second to consider what you're supporting "We need cheap laborers to do jobs that we don't want to see expenses go up on!" Those carnevals have 2 options, pay proper entry level wages, fit for your average teen, or lose out on all the money by not running their venue. Fact is Jose was suppressing wages for other low-income candidates that are actual citizens seeking work. To compete with Jose accepting 4.50, they must match or undercut. Lastly, Why is it the US's problem that Mexican employers are fucking their own countrymen so hard?

Insult us yet you don't even call ICE on them? The fuck nigger? DO IT NOW

You do know that people bitch about the very subsidies the US GOV pays to keep fresh produce cheap for them?(hilariously it's the leftists ... it's like they want to shoot for that Stalin-tier starvation)

It's funny the populist party from the late 19th century and the white workers party lead by the socialist Eugene Debbs who died in 1932 warned us about.

The credit system currently in place has nothing physical backing the capital in the US. It's pretty much collateral based on the idea of US production capability/repayment potential. If the US folds, the USD is monopoly money.

>There are some things more important in this world.


>Having a white america is far better in the end anyway

Any other reasons?

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Mexico can just raise their minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour.
Problem solved!

They can't keep wages stagnated forever and hold a monopoly on food production and continue to use explorative business practices.

That's a retarded argument. If employers are having a hard time finding natives willing to work for the offered salary they just have to increase the salary.

Maybe Mexico should worry about Mexicans and America can worry about Americans? I know that's a difficult thing to comprehend for the NYT.

How do you compensate for the significant increase in food prices?

>"Jobs Americans won't do."
Just say slave jobs that should've been replaced by technological advances decades ago. Run by Democrats and other leftard hypocrites who can't thrive without slavery and tiered societies.

You don't a crisis will trigger forcing people to act quickly. I store food I'll live.

So let people become poorer and go hungry? Brilliant

>We need affordable housing NOW!
>Let's also import 40 million low wage immigrants!

They are only jobs americans wont do because it wont allow an american to live a self sufficient life. The employers know americans wont work extremely hard jobs for next to nothing, and dont want to pay a decent wage, so they lobby for immigrant imports to fill these roles so they can underpay. This keeps the wages artificially low and gives them an excuse to import millions of voters under the ruse that they all work jobs americans wont do, which is really jobs americans cant afford to work, and only a small percentage of the immigrants work these jobs the rest sit back and collect welfare and pump out babies.

When you let a bubble form that is what happens people need to learn.

Automated hydroponics

>no more cheap labor
ohhh nooooooooo that sucks!

And unions unironically lobby to bring more of them over.