Is the final redpill accepting that while both Christianity and Paganism both have major flaws, mixing them together creates the ultimate religion for the white race?
Christianity was obviously created by (((a particular group of people))), but refined over time by us white men, and Paganism has some pretty barbaric and degenerate aspects, but at least it was created by us and does have plenty of redeeming factors. They both have engines at their core that have a lot of potential, and I believe that if they are combined somehow, we will find the true religion of our people.
It's hard to put into words, but obviously both religions were contributed to majorly by the white race, and I think if we take the white part of Christianity (mainly the New Testament and the teachings of Christ) and mix it with the more positive ideals of Paganism (tribalism, stoicism, etc.), it would become the ultimate ideology for a new age of white men.
>inb4 larpagan
>inb4 christcuck
I am a white man first and foremost, and I'm just trying to find the right path.
White Religion
They're mutually exclusive
>I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no man comes to the father but by me
The right path is following the bible
Maybe I wasn't clear enough in the OP, but I am not talking about extracting literal stories and mythos from both, because obviously the Christian God is not compatible with the gods of Paganism.
What I am proposing is taking the white-made ideologies and teachings of both and combining them into a religion created solely by whites but more civilized than Paganism (less hedonism oriented, for example).
Paganism is esentially Natural Science and philosophy, plus folklore.
Real pagan beliefs were destroyed along with our entire history by the Kike crew of Christianity. Mass murder and book burning and destroying everything = dark age.
>mix Christianity with something
It's been done like 1000000 times. There was already Neo-Stoicism that did it.
Why don't you try and learn about things before saying stupid shit?
I am no history buff, and I will research this "Neo-Stoicism" you mentioned.
Believe me, I also have a bias against Christianity for destroying Paganism. But I also think Paganism has many degenerate qualities that the whiter version of Christianity "fixed", so to speak.
Hedonism is degenerate, but Paganism has many positive qualities that, I believe, when mixed with the whiter qualities of Christianity, could possibly make a greater religion for white men.
>barbarism
>Bad
only way to counter savages is be more cruel than them
they fear only death or threat of it
christianity is already mixed with paganism and like 99% of "Christians" actually follow this hybrid religion
i recommend you read The Kingdom Of God Is Within You
Apologies, by barbarism I was more referring to the uncivilized aspects of Paganism outside of combat like hedonism and their other "barbaric" (for lack of a better word) rituals.
Obviously extreme violence is sometimes called for, and Christianity seems to agree on this point (the Crusades, for example).
I will certainly check that out, thank you.
The main point of this thread is for discussion, but also for me to learn new things. I love when I'm told to research certain things because most of it turns out to be very interesting and productive.
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I am yet to read it but this might be up your alley.
Alain de Benoist was the founder of the Nouvelle Droite, the French intellectual far right/fascist group.
Also Strains of Roman and Greek philosophy before Christ emphasized virtue and restraint.
People have been railing against degeneracy/hedonism since the beginning of time, its not something Christians came up with.
The significance of venerating great men, not dishonoring your ancestors and leaving a legacy/legend means that there is already significant incentive not to be cowardly or weak or neglect wholesome actions for a functioning society (have children, raise them, work, defend them).
I'm sure none of you are strangers to the fact that (((they))) seem to want to abolish Christianity. Why is this, when they created it in the first place?
I believe it is because it evolved, because of white men, into something better and more akin to the truth. (((They))) also destroyed Paganism (at least if I remember right), so there must have been truth there, too. You know what I mean?
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Thanks! I'll definitely give it a look.
>Also Strains of Roman and Greek philosophy before Christ emphasized virtue and restraint.
I will admit I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to anything related to the Greeks. I suppose I should research that too.
>The significance of venerating great men, not dishonoring your ancestors and leaving a legacy/legend means that there is already significant incentive not to be cowardly or weak or neglect wholesome actions for a functioning society (have children, raise them, work, defend them).
This is what I'm talking about. This is what we need. I think Christianity has expired, though, and maybe pulling the positive aspects from our entire history as a race is the answer.
I think Hitler saw that Christianity was flawed at its core since it lends itself to ideals created by a (((certain people))). Maybe this is what he had in mind; a new religion made exclusively by the white race, for the white race.
I agree greeks were gay and still are gay also unnecessary violence isn't needed(like sacrificing virgins and newborns or shit like this)
>unnecessary violence isn't needed(like sacrificing virgins and newborns or shit like this)
Yes that's exactly what I was referring to. Paganism has major flaws, but it has a mighty core to it that must be preserved.
>decent leaf
rare
Haha, thanks, friend.
>friend
I don't have any IRL friends either, bud. But whenever I feel lonely, I just come on Sup Forums and talk to my brothers.
I love you guys. We're all gonna make it, brah. Every single one of us.
What about Buddhism.
Buddhism has some great teachings in it as well, and although I know little about it, it seems to share some qualities with Paganism (stoicism, mainly, and a respect for nature).
>both Christianity and Paganism both have major flaws
Look up the Asatru Folk Assebly, then tell me if that has a major flaw
>mixing them together creates the ultimate religion for the white race?
>promotes mixing
Youre probably a kike
But if you really are just some dumb goy, look into the Asatru Folk Assembly. They OPENLY, and explictily talk about how Asatru is for Europeans ONLY. They promote the family. White Men, with White Women, protecting our genetics. They are easily the ONLY ethnocentric group that actually practices what they preach, while also not having crypto kieks at the helm (unlike every other White identitarian group out there)
Broad (((Commercial Paganism))) is just plastic muh tree, tier hollywood, shit for vegan white women.
Asatru, and the AFA is the Indigenous culture, and way for Germanics. If youre Germanic in heritage, its yours, and it will empower you.
EASTERN ORTHODOX obviously
>>promotes mixing
Mixing ideologies from the same race, yes. Is there anything wrong with that? Religion evolves and devolves over time. You have to admit there are major flaws in both Paganism and Christianity. Why not take the good from both and roll with it?
>Youre probably a kike
Believe me, brother, I am far from it.
>Broad (((Commercial Paganism))) is just plastic muh tree, tier hollywood, shit for vegan white women.
I am no tree hugger, I am merely pointing out that while primitive, Paganism has many good qualities to it. I'm not a vegan, either.
As for the rest of your post, I will definitely research this Asatru stuff. Sounds very interesting and in line with what I've been thinking about lately. I am thinking about going off grid as soon as possible, and hopefully bringing my girlfriend with me as well, and having plenty of kids.
You made some great points that I will definitely mull over. I appreciate your post.
Again, my ignorance frustrates me. Unfortunately at this point I can't really say anything about Eastern Orthodoxy as I know essentially nothing about it, but I appreciate your post as I will make sure to look into it.
>But I also think Paganism has many degenerate qualities
Youre main flaw is that youre associating hollywood, kike tier, muh trees, vegan obeese white cunt "paganism" with the indigenous cultural rites of our European ancestors.
Those fucking people, and homosexuals who shop at crystal stores, buying "blessed crystals to ward off the anti goddesses" would have been publicly hung, or thrown in a bog. And thats not an exaggeration.
I would seriously encourage you to just visit the Asatru Folk Asseblys nosebook page, kiketube channel, and actual site (which is currently being reconstructed and updated) You will quickly see that the AFA follows, and teaches the REAL ancient Germanic cultural ways. Its traditional, empowering, weakness eradicating, and homogeneous.
I encourage you to do this if only but to help you be able to differentiate us, from the plastic degenerates who essentially appropriated the word "pagan"
>I would seriously encourage you to just visit the Asatru Folk Asseblys nosebook page, kiketube channel, and actual site
I am reading the main site right now actually, and it seems perfect. I can't thank you enough for bringing it to my attention.
Just too lazy to explain, when ever you see russian empire - orthodox church, up till reds came...
Thanks, friend. It seems like one of the better denominations for sure.
the problem with you people is that you don't want a religion because you actually believe in it, you just want something to be politically useful
in essence, you're deifying your genetics. at least be honest and admit you're worshipping yourself, because that's all it is.
this is why nobody takes pagans seriously
I'm not a Pagan. If you want to know what I believe in terms of the actual divine/spiritual, I'm not entirely sure where I stand, to be honest. I feel like there is something out there, I just don't know what exactly it is. I think all white religions were started because of that feeling, and that there is truth in all of them, if you know what I mean. I know that may sound progressive, but it's what I believe at this point.
>the problem with you people is that you don't want a religion because you actually believe in it, you just want something to be politically useful
This entire board is filled with larping NEET's. Why are you talking this seriously?
We have one, it takes the best of both. It's called traditional Catholicism. ofc that's my instance.
To be honest I'm just diving deep in my family tree and then diving in to history, refreshing stuff and learning something new.
I'm christian Old Believer to be exact, but not fanatic as old believer should be, by fanatic I mean,
I'm not living in monastery and I'm shaving and shit like that even using PC as u imagine - that's all sin.
My problem with Catholicism is what it's become. I don't need to post the feet-kissing pic of the Pope for you to know what I mean. But I respect Catholics that are disapproving of the pope and that kind of behavior in general.
>Mixing ideologies from the same race, yes
Christianity doesnt come from our race. I went to 12 years of Christian schooling, yes i know it has been influenced and bastardized by European reformations etc. BUT regardless, in its ROOT, and CORE its semetic, and at odds with European, and especially Germanic synaptic functions.
>I am no tree hugger, I am merely pointing out that while primitive, Paganism has many good qualities to it. I'm not a vegan, either.
I am just trying to paint that picture of the typical obese whtie cunt who wears a flower crown and dances in a circle while buying crystals from China, thinking they endow her with protective energies from the "goddess" tier shit.
That type of shit has essentially fucked people like me and the AFA, because people hear "Asatru" or "Pagan" and are knee jerk like "OHHH OK LARP FAG" When in reality the AFA, and real Asatru are the exact opposite of that.
>I will definitely research this Asatru stuff. Sounds very interesting and in line with what I've been thinking about lately.
>You made some great points that I will definitely mull over. I appreciate your post.
Very happy to hear it! And thanks for being forthright and reasonable!
>let's create a new religion g-guys
that is not how things work
Look who it is. Youre not even fucking white. Go ask your kike daddy god for more gibs welfare slut.
>Christianity doesnt come from our race.
I was referring to the more modern, white version of Christianity. Obviously it was created by (((others))), but certain denominations are more European-centric than others.
>BUT regardless, in its ROOT, and CORE its semetic
Agreed. That's kind of the point of this thread; I respect the more modern versions of Christianity with more white influence, but it is flawed due to its origins.
>I am just trying to paint that picture of the typical obese whtie cunt who wears a flower crown and dances in a circle while buying crystals from China, thinking they endow her with protective energies from the "goddess" tier shit.
That type of shit has essentially fucked people like me and the AFA, because people hear "Asatru" or "Pagan" and are knee jerk like "OHHH OK LARP FAG" When in reality the AFA, and real Asatru are the exact opposite of that.
Yeah I know what you mean. It's almost as if (((a certain group of people))) introduced modern "Paganism" to the left in order to destroy the actual religion even more... But surely it's just a (((coincidence)))!
>Very happy to hear it! And thanks for being forthright and reasonable!
Cheers, friend!
I'm not looking to spearhead some kind of religious movement. To be honest, I think something like what we are talking about in this thread might arise naturally once whites really wake up to what is going on in the world and abandon Christianity.
But again, it's just speculation on my part, and it could go any way, really.
I prefer ancestor worship over the Hebrew god of fear. No need to revive a dead religion. We can just create a new one with the scientific method as the foundation of our faith.
OP here, I have to go run some errands.
I just want to give another big "THANK YOU" to everyone that posted constructive stuff in this thread and bringing my attention to so many great resources and info.
Cheers!
Onatrio can i haz gibs?
whiter than you fuckboi
enjoy meeting varg in hell
>fuckboi
Y O U R E F R O M S O U T H A M E R I C A
wuts ur flag user
Christianity and Paganism would have been great.
Until that faggot called Varg shitted his kiketube army of Pagan LARPers Christian-hating atheists in here.
I fucking hate Varg and im a pagan wut does that make me hm user?
Traditional Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity, a few branches of Protestantism (probably) and non-cucked Paganism are the only acceptable religions for a Huwhite Man.
I like that pic have a Thor pepe
Actually idk wat its based on was thinkin odin but the pepe has 2 eyes
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>Christianity was obviously created by (((a particular group of people))), but refined over time by us white men
No, you retard. Christianity was antiethitacl to Judaism from the beginning. The Jews rejected Christ while the gentiles embraced him, beginning with the Roman centurion at the foot of the cross.
The alleged "germanization of Christianity" has also long been discredited.
catholicforum.com
Are you stupid? Jesus was their to change Judaism not create Christianity
If you care about your kind more than about "helping le poor" aka non-whites, and care about race more than about religion - you are allright.
Doesn't matter if you are Christian, Pagan or simply Agnostic - just put your people first.
I'll care more about a black Christian than a white atheist homosexual.
You can't combine these two because they are fundamentally different. The origin of the Christian God is the semetic Pantheon. Yhwe was first put as god above the other gods and then the other gods became less important and simply vanished. (Think of it like with the Sol Invictus cult or like Ahura Mazda)
The source is semetic. Meanwhile all the European gods are based on the same Aryan source. So Christianity had to adopt some Aryan concepts. These concepts of pagan origin are the only thing that makes Christianity worthy, however why would you use a butchered down pagan concept if you could take the pure version without semetic influence? You only want a reformed pagan faith. Nothing else.
Just checked out the AFA. This is really perfect for my future family, I had no idea this existed. What really makes this an attractive prospect is the fact that they are ethnically conscious, and not in a way that actively hurts anyone. We need to get the idea out that a lot of our racism is just the desire to live with people who share your genes and your values, which isn't too much to ask.
Hell is for ever!
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