What went wrong?

what went wrong?

Nothing

we are not strong enough to protect our grand sister France

The biggest TL;DR of NatSoc Germany is that a War Economy is a ticking time bomb.

>what went wrong
>posts invasion plan that worked out perfectly

I meant what went wrong for france but alright

the french were weak and the germans were strong

Their generals were still using the manual for WW1

They trusted Belgium.

This.

They forgot that there's no oil or mangan in France.

the maginot line was designed for wwI type warfare

anti horse and shit, it could not stand up to blitzkrieg tanks not even the slightest you dumb uneducated roach

So were the Germans.

The German victory in the battle of France was practically all Guderain's doing. He pushed his spearhead on and on and on so relentlessly in a way that nobody expected, he frequently moved beyond his own objectives and didn't wait for the infantry to catch up to him.

The French had a number of opportunities to cut off the spearhead but key persons in their chain of command were incompetent and dithered, or didn't seem to grasp what was happening until it had already happened

What's funny is when the allies went after Germany the germans manned the line and the allies had a hell of a time dewal with it.

France was ready for another trench war. They underestimated tanks, blitzkrieg doctrine. If you look at some battles, the French managed to win a couple of times, for example, the 4th DCR, a tank division under the lead of De Gaulle. Even if it's was pointless in the end.

Essentially communication between from forces was dildos because older generals refused to adopt to changing technology. So, you literally had couriers for messages to tell generals in Paris that shit was going down in the Ardennes.. and no one believed them because it was such a weird scenario.

Once France took the field, a lot of their tactics didn't reflect the reality of new warfare. For instance, tanks in the first world war were often used as infantry escorts as a reflection of the fact that they moved at 4-12mph where as Germany explored the idea of massing armor. Likewise, with competition between French officer cores and poor communication combined arms tactics were garbage.

tl:dr; France was fucking around.

So many people get this wrong. The Maginot Line did exactly what it was meant to do, funnel German troops through the low countries - France wanted to avoid another war fought on its territory like WW1. However while the French and the BEF went north to fight the German forces invading the low countries another Heeresgruppe with most of the modern tank and motorized forces and massive air support went in a line from Luxembourgh/southern Belgium->Sedan->Channel coast and trapped a chunk of the allied forces in Belgium.

Wasn't on war economy till late 1943

>Germans invented an entire new and modern warfare style that is still being used today
>WW1 manuals
burger education at work again

lmao no, germans had the most tactically and strategically advanced military at the beginning of ww2, allies eventually adapted and they started losing.

I blame jews

Why didn't the french stay behind the maginot line and encircle the obvious spearhead groups that would pish through belgium? You don't even need to appreciate mobile warfare to understand the logic of that, it's as simple as cannae.

Nah, they completely overhauled their shit for round 2

This. Except for some generals, like De Gaulle. On WWI and WWII, France was one war late.

Turns out that tanks got a bit faster and trench warfare wasn't going to be a permanent fixation. Weird, huh?

>the germans used the Schlieffen Plan again only with better weapons.

Nope. Try again. It's called tanks that can knock over trees.

1. Nobody thought that sort of spearhead would or could come from where it did
2. When they got news that it was happening, they dithered for too long and poor communication meant they lost any opportunity to cut it off

Because no one suspected that tanks and other mechanized equipment would make it through the Ardennes. It was believed to be impassable territory for Panzers. Manstein sure proved them wrong. In fact if I'm not mistaken, Hitler also had some input on the decision of where and when to attack.

poo in loo

France was very weak politically. After being conquered they basically joined the Axis willingly and put up a fierce resistance against the Free French. There must've been a large fifth column in the country.

BLAME BELGIUM!
BLAME BELGIUM!!!!!

They're not even a real country anyway.

>Hitler also had some input on the decision of where and when to attack.

I think he heard the idea and put it forward as his own, something like that

They were anticipating an attack through belgium, which is why they attempted to take a posisition there. The fall of eben emael put in end to that. They knew an attack would go through belgium, the smarter thing to do would be to encircle the front of germans as they move into northwest france. You don't even need to understand tanks, it's as simple as the prussian kesselschlacht.

>have massive, heavily fortified area full of munitions and men
>surprised when the enemy just goes around it because it's only a few miles long

being french must be its own hell

Petain was the only hope due do the fact he was the one behind Verdun during WW1. Politicians were also pussies btw. (Like nowadays)

And in WW1, they went about it as if it was Spain in 1823

Nice meme faggot

Not really. Petain was supposed to be arbiter of a neutral France with Vichy as the administrative center. Legally speaking Petain still held all authority over all of France but had to allow the Germans occupation of Metropolitan France and the Atlantic Coast. France wouldn't allow Germany to use it's navy either and had orders to scuttle the fleet if the Germans attempted to take it by force (The British still bombed it though) Technically Vichy France never joined the Axis but still retained a puppet like position towards Germany. Regardless if there was any fifth column it came from the large amount of Communists in France (No surprise there)

Being retarded. Didn't Mrica shoot leafs on a shitty japanese island ?

First, the western front wasn't the real war.
The eastern front is where 90% of everything happened and the only reason Russia was able to push through was because of all the supplies the allies were shipping to Russia.

Didn't you surrender?

Globalist "Lebensraum" Socialism did.

Hitler should have invaded Russia first.

>don't want to extand maginot line
>abandon military alliance with France
>switch to neutrality
>gets invaded by Germany again

This is why Belgium shouldnt' exist tbw...

>latvian intellectuals

If you take the fact that the current french governement are the successor of the FFF, no , we didn't. Unlike Petain gov.

They built a wall, immigrants went round it.

Learn from history people! They'll be eating beans and rice in Washington by sundown.

No I don't think that's it. Hitler was definitely the one to make the right decision of when to commence the attack. Hitler's war decisions weren't as hopeless as everyone thinks. Many of them including this one and the decision to dig in the Russian lines towards Moscow actually worked out for the better. His decisions in the later war however were marked by a combination of putting too much trust in incompetent people (Like Goering) having a WWI mentality of not giving up an inch instead of retreating to lure enemy troops in an pincer around them later and bad information from an Abwehr (The intelligence service) where almost everyone from the top - down was actively giving him poor or completely false information.

>Britain enters the first world war and loses hundreds of thousands of men, as well as beginning the destruction of their Empire, to protect Belgium
>Now Belgium are the biggest proponents of the EU and want to punish the UK for leaving

Do they have any sense of loyalty at all?

The eternal waffle

Are you just saying that because both plans involved invading France through Belgium?

Why should he have started a two front war there and then when that is the exact thing the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was supposed to avoid. Additionally, if France and Britain had not declared war when they did, then Germany's inevitable war with the USSR would have come much sooner.

You have to accept that France as a nation resisted less than other European nations, many of whom fought to an unconditional surrender.

Stalin already had his invasion plans set up, Hitler just beat him to the punch. If he hadn't invaded then the entirety of Germany would be red along with the rest of Eastern Europe.

but they did literally the opposite

Would have also lost
USSR had both a massive industry and a crapload of manpower

USA intervened after a false flag and Germany lost

Yeah I'll admit that. But the French weren't really motivated to begin with and many Frenchmen didn't understand why they had to die for the German city of Danzig.

not enough loops

The germans pretended to do the schlieffen plan then encircled the army that headed up to stop them

I agree. I expect though that Germany's war against the USSR would have come maybe in 1940 if the allies had not declared war on him in 1939.

You need a little more of a broader context of what happened prior to Nazi occupation.

WW1 damage: During the Interwar period the northeastern part of France was still completely fucked from the first World War, and WW1 German Reparations were being used to rebuild that infrastructure.

2. The citizenry fucking hated each other.

You had a coalition of Communist and Socialist France parties forming the "Popular Front" and Far-Right Fascist groups that entertained the idea of re-establishing a monarchy and rioted against parliament on the 6th of February in 1934. Antifa groups were established after that day because the commie cocksuckers were scared of a Fascist Coup, but little did they know that when you live in a country where everyone is either:

A. walking around in wheelchairs from the first WW1 period
B. Commie that hates his Fascist brother
C. Fascist that hates his Commie brother
D. Not even in France at the time and instead are located in one of their various colonies

When a unified Third Reich walks up to your borders and you try using WW1 tactics on them you get curb stomped into the ground.

Basically. Really, Germany would have won the Eastern Front if not for the incompetence at Stalingrad.

This is a picture of the Second World War

the french had a plan to extend the maginot line to the sea and it was pretty impressive really high tech of its time also very expensive the only thing that was more expensive that comes to mind is Albania bunker program

That's a pretty good summary. Although the leadership of the French army as not suited for dealing with Blitzkrieg tactics either. Germany was very lacking in tanks and mechanized equipment compared to the French but her leadership was much better.

Two things, both attributable to Hitler not being the genius he thought he was.

1. circled in blue. the nazis had no plan and no fleet to invade great britain. Goering's vaunted luftwaffe was going to conquer the british

2. russia, winter, etc.

If he had destroyed Great Britain when they were practically defeated, he would have had one front against russia and control of the mediterranean which might have freed enough resources to take moscow and perhaps succeed there. The usa would not have entered the war.

Would it really have been fatal? I know Hitler said that bit about kicking in the door and "the whole rotten structure [..] crashing down". He obviously planned for a quick war against Russia too. Is that why? Like the USA vs Japan it was just a matter of the production capacity and manpower?

You gotta wonder how the Third Reich would have maintained control over all that land had they lasted.

Should've never let them get away. Those crafty waffles.

Yeah, should've built the line more north. If Belgium bitches well tough fucking shit.

Socialists in France sucked the cocks of Petain a lot. The SFIO was behind Petain during the parlement session. And the commies began to resist after the invasion of Russia.

what would of happened if russia had surrendered /the germs never attacked them and the burgers and bongs were attacking germany's A team in normandy?

Some historians, particularly German ones, don't completely agree that the war was over by Stalingrad. But again, the information Hitler was given was often incorrect and he placed too much faith in Goering to supply the sixth army.

Eastern armies on the Western front. They could have one the war due to the fact that the Eastern Front was costly and the reason for the fall of the Third Reich.

it was over far sooner than that when the germans ran out of reserves in really early of the plan the germans knew nothing about the soviet actual strenght they barely knew who was in charge

he should have stopped after france.

and "winning" for them meant repelling the attack right? what happens after that? do the bongs and the burgers try to attack from a different front? do they sue for peace?

>britain and france declare war on you
>soviets about to invade
>"he should have stopped after france"

Great Britain was not practically defeated. Nothing Germany could have done would have allowed them to land on the shores of England (Not that Hitler had much interest in doing so anyway) The British were still going strong and their navy was more or less an impenetrable defense. Additionally the RAF still dealt massive damage to the Luftwaffe and the support they received from the USA either meant Germany would have to bring America into the war or somehow stop Britain from receiving any kind of aid. It would take a naval and aircraft buildup of years to achieve that. Time was not on Germany's side. The USSR had her own plans to invade Europe by first letting the other powers tire themselves out fighting each other before 'liberating' the continent by turning it red. Better to strike on your own terms than allow yourself to be put on the defensive - especially a defensive you had no hope of winning.

The idea was to first keep the local ethnicities around. Ukrainians in particular but also the Baltic region saw Germans as liberators from Soviet oppression. Over time those protectorates would be settled by Germans until the natives became a minority there. Oh, the irony.

Wouldn't have mattered. Stalin was gonna invade at some point soon.

From the sounds of it the RAF was very near the end. The airfields were nearly all out of commission, and the English lost an excessive amount of planes and pilots. But when the Luftwaffe bombed London and focused on that they ultimately lost the air war.

At least this is what I've gathered from veteran interviews in documentaries.

We know that Hitler had no interest in controlling that much territory. He probably would have given it to fascist leaders from the respective countries and let them do whatever.

he should have stopped before poland the allies had no casus belli and that would be it the soviets would invade poland nobody really liked the soviets

Keep in mind historians are primarily split between two explanations for why the French Third Republic got BTFO which usually fall under:

1. Internal political/cultural strife and a feeling of malaise/melancholy/depression that ran through all French society

2. Shit tier military planning by The High Command and the piece of shit Dyle Plan essentially being a failure from it's very inception.

It's probably a mixture of both to be honest.

it really was not that was myth the germans overestimated their own airforce and underestimated the british one for example britain made more planes in one month than italy in a year

The secret addendum of the contract Britain had with Poland specifically stated that they would only aid Poland against a foreign invading power if that power was Germany.

He couldn't have. Mussolini declared war on Greece without his knowledge to prove Italian military prowess in the face of rapid German victories in Western Europe. Hitler didn't interfere until Commonwealth troops started landing in Greece threatening Hitler's oil supply in Romania. Yugoslavia joined the Axis for three days before a British and Soviet backed coup ousted Prince Paul and made the country join the allies. From there Hitler had no choice but to once again drive the allies from the continent.

I completely agree. The Abwehr informed Hitler that there were something around 30 - 50 divisions in the entire USSR and they incorrectly informed him of their positions. That's why he thought it would be easy. But he found just that many divisions in Bialystok, right on the German-Soviet border! But there was not stopping what had been started now.

French didn't have enough children after WW1.

i recommend you guys look at the youtube channel Military History Visualized

>what are low water tables
>what is a huge engineering feat and a massive expense

The D-Day would have failed with Germans reinforcement. Supply would have been easier without the Eastern Front as a burden . Russia was too important for the Allies. I guess the war would have ended with a truce or a peace treaty.

Except that the Poles were slaughtering ethnic Germans and refused to at least give them back to Germany. Invading Poland was inevitable given their actions.

is that mylene farmer?

well at best they would not have a reason to fight germany

Someone didnt read enough. We BECAME a war economy as late as 42/43

really evidence for it? love the fact that holocaust was fake but poles killing germans was real

i could pretty much sum up the OKW reaction was like wtf we destory dozen of russian divisions were do they keep coming

The Soviets would not have invaded Poland in 1939 without Germany. One of the main clauses of the M-R Pact was that the two countries would attack Poland in tandem but Germany HAD to make the first move. Stalin outmaneuvered Hitler though and cited 'unpreparedness' as his reason for not attacking when Germany did and waiting two weeks thereby deflecting the world's attention to Germany as the sole aggressor. Stalin then moved in to protect minorities officially and claimed it wasn't a real invasion because the Polish government had escaped to Romania and therefore there was no Polish state legally to speak off. Stalin was a very sly politician and probably the smartest of all of WWII.

Germany wouldve shit on the USSR in the early stages of the war.

>evidence for it
The corpses of civilian germans that were found in Danzig were at least 2 weeks old based on autopsies. Of course, the Poles claimed that they killed them in retaliation TO the invasion, which is questionable enough on its own.

Note that the Holocaust never had a single autopsy for any single supposed victim.
>pictured: dead germans