Reminder that tradcucks are fucking stupid...

Reminder that tradcucks are fucking stupid. They want you to get married which essentially puts you at the mercy of your wife. Reminder that once you are married, your wife can divorce you any time she wants for any reason she wants and in the process take your money, your house, your kids, and to top it all off, she is entitled to alimony and child support.

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MGTOW is a great way to live. Just make sure to donate your sperm so you're not contributing to the death of the white race.

im a tradcuck and mgtow in the same time
what now?

When will you realize you idiots are in the wrong?
All the traducuks can ever seem to say is "just find the right one." There is no right one. Why don't you understand? A MAN STANDS TO LOSE EVERYTHING IN MARRIAGE WHILE A WOMEN STANDS TO WIN EVERYTHING.

Teбe-тo лeгкo гoвopить, ты живёшь в cтpaнe гдe poдитeли бeз пpoблeм мoгyт пoмoчь c HEBECTOЙ, тoгдa кaк y нac этoт инcтитyт yжe пpaктичecки oтмep.

Women have no concept of loyalty. You are disposable and simply serve as a source of resources.

Dude, I'm so frustrated right now. In a traditional society I at least would married yet.

How is marriage over there, Ivan? Are the memes true?

THEN GO YOUR OWN WAY
FUCK OFF ALREADY

I wrote about it in Russian . Don't you speak it?

Yes, women are solipsistic creatures that ruin everything they touch. Yes, the current legal landscape is lopsided in her favor. Yes, one could argue a man gets very little out of marriage while standing to lose a lot. But all of that is irrelevant, as it's your duty to continue the white race by marrying a white woman and having children. You are a genetic failure if you don't.

>Beautiful girl dances with me at country-western style bar
>she leaves with a fat hairy gross guy who fucks her twice
>Feel disillusioned
>2 months later go back to that bar
>She's there
>She makes out with 9/10 tall blond chad guy

I'm starting to think it's not my fault.

>implying the average person can even donate
>implying the average bloke will even have their DNA desired by another woman

As a social conservative myself I can confirm that tradcucks are on another planet. This is not the 1950s and there is no argument against MGTOW looking at the average modern women. I don't like MGTOW either but we need to change the culture that pushes them to the margins of society instead of blaming them for acting out of self-interest
MGTOW is a symptom, not the disease

You fucking coward. Not man enough to take a risk to spread your genes? Good, more for the rest of us. Enjoy dying without establishing the only legacy that matters.
And don't even say you will just pump and dump and leave single moms to raise your sons and daughters or worse let them abort them.
Either way you are a failure at life and the only that objectively matters in it: spreading your genes and continuing the species and raising your progeny to be better than you are.

>implying i have any kind of wealth

I so fucked loved a girl (she was in my uni group) from a such small town that it's non-ironically a big villiage officially.
Even as a villiage girl she is so fucking good at her style and has amazing voice. She has ukrainian roots.

But she choosed a guy from a richer family.

I saw a dream about her yesterday.

I don't wanna to say that I still love her, but it seems that I can't forget yet.

Also people are saying that you have to have a good work..

faggots

I had a work. And I ruined it, because had no gf

It's hard to explain why. But it's true story

Kek oh boy
>Y-y-you HAVE to enter this suicide pact where you have a 50% chance of losing all your shit bcuz muh birthrates!!!
If marriage is really that important, fix the culture that's destroyed it instead of bitching about MGTOW

i honelsty cant tell if you are joking or not. are tradcuks really thiss mental? knwoing you are going to get fucked in so many ways but still go ahed with it because it's somehow your "duty"

You basically summed up why MGTOW is a thing: marriage is not in a man's best interest and you can't force people to go against their interests

After you, bitch boy. Raise your daughter not to be a whore and your son to raise his daughters to be better women too. If you want things to change you have to begin changing them yourself instead of giving up and taking your ball home with you like a little boy and waiting for someone else to change things. Be a man and take responsibility for the small part of humanity you can actually influence and mold.

>If marriage is really that important, fix the culture that's destroyed it instead of bitching about MGTOW
This requires men working as a group, which is already a hard thing due to all of the white knights. It's nearly impossible if more men check out of society. Don't sit there lecturing us if you're not willing to put in the effort too.

i've had a comparable experioence before. girlfriend met what people here call chad and she ended up breaking it wiht me, claiming she just didn't feel it anymore. sure enough she was with him almost immediately

And yet, here we are in a non trad one

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Wait, you guys are either

A: incels who are pretending its their choice not to "deal" with women
B: guys who admittedly know they can't keep a woman from leaving them
C: Juden

And you're calling someone else a cuck?

Ahh more commentary from the beta hivemind
>P-p-participate in this broken system you have no role in creating so future generations may have it marginally better than you!
Nah. Honestly "checking out of society" puts far more pressure on the system than you cucks who provide for it with your time and money

youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

stay mad i m a beautiful one , you fags will kill eachother

I can pay a woman to bear my child under contract that she's not the legal mother and no rights to her


Why bother with women that are fucking costly anyway?

It's more beta to give up rather than fight to change things. Giving up isnt brave or alpha. It's cowardly and just adding to the problem you want to change.

MGTOW and feminism are two sides of the same coin.

Both are meant to create infighting between the sexes, and both are meant to lower birth rates and destroy the institution of marriage. Both feminists and their counterpart are concerned with ideas of (((Marxist))) egalitarianism which are impossible to achieve. Life has always been about taking risks and making investments, and some parts of society being unfair, but people still persevered.

Independence has long been something a lot of men value, making a movement out of it goes against the whole point since it reeks of attention-seeking, which isn't independence or "going your own way". You're not making any profound statement, you're just refusing to get into a long-term relationship, which takes no effort at all and anyone can do it.

MGTOW don't even try to fix the marriage laws or any legitimate problem they're complaining about, they just say "fuck women and children altogether, shit's fucked", which isn't productive, and is usually just men who can't get laid looking for something to vent and rationalize their frustrations.

You know it's possible to get into a relationship and have kids without getting married right?

>/r9k/ MGTOW calling any beta cucks

Holy fuck, neck yourself.

99% of MGTOWs are too beta (or even omega) to get laid or keep their woman in check, and they're actual cuckolds who watch other men and foreigners destroy their society and take their women while they just watch it and do nothing.

I'm not getting married until marriage is fixed. It's too bad MRA movement gets fuck all done.

grow a pair of balls coward

The MRA movement is just controlled opposition. They get fuck all done because they're not supposed to.

go aheaad and fix it . i ll wait . oh yes i ll wait untill i die cause you won t fix this . also yes it s possibile to get into a relationship without getting married , but even SO , if she leaves you the JUDGE will still give her all the benefits

Then shit is fucked. It's actually kind of shocking how dismissive some people are here about marriage.

the problems with marriage*

>Reminder that once you are married, your wife can divorce you any time she wants for any reason she wants and in the process take your money, your house, your kids, and to top it all off, she is entitled to alimony and child support.

what is a "prenup?"

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I've never even heard of your country

I hope women do program sex bots they don't even want and get angry at them. It might force women to finally confront and resolve the contradictions in their thinking.

Fuck off, HitlerYouthBoi.

>what is a "prenup?"
Granted, something that is not very reliable especially when not drafted by a good lawyer. Judges look for any reason to throw them out, and they will not protect everything.

Until five million men march on parliament and demand either revolution or the overthrow of woman suffrage, nothing will change in our society - whether that be mass immigration, socialism, or unfair marital laws.

There's a lot of issues with it, but from a pragmatic POV, the issue is that it's white men giving up on society and decided to hide away and not have children. Do I need to explain why this is an issue, in the current society?

Honestly, I wouldn't give a shit if there was a fraction of men who just wanted to give up and die off if we lived in a homogeneous society with no demographic issues. But that's not the world we live in. We are being replaced and our birthrates are too low. And then on top of this, we have tons of ACTUALLY REDPILLED men decided to end their genetic legacy instead of having lots of children and making sure those children grow up redpilled and traditional

RARE

unfair marital laws and the rampant divorcing of husbands "just because" come partially from the welfare state and people voting for their own benefit rather than the benefit of families

have an actual family and instill family values into your wife and youll be doing your part

giving up and dropping out is the bitch way out

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3525528/Judges-say-ignore-pre-nups-unless-couple-rich-Warning-majority-agreements-waste-time-courts-instead-base-decisions-fairness.html

Look faggot, you either make white babies, or admit you're just another genetic dead end LARPing as an American white nationalist because you have literally nothing better to do with your life in your second world shithole

Heh, look at the Women's March and things like that. They are so ready to whine about things that don't matter, yet men do nothing.

>people voting for their own benefit
>voting pls rape me in the divorce court
>for you own benefit
>freedom is slavery

>he never heard of a pre-nup

>you either make white babies
Men can't make babies. Yet. Only women can hav babies, don't they teach this in school?

>tfw I started dating a pastor's daughter in jr. College
>7/10 and wore weird clothes and no makeup
>virginal and devoted
>1st boyfriend
>perfect pure future wife
God's glory can still reach you if you let it cuckboys

why do mgtows insult tradcons and why do tradcons insults mgtows?

they're not mutually exclusive whatsoever. in fact there is bound to be a ton of overlap. you can possess traditional, conservative social views while also recognizing the current state of western society and "go your own way", in the sense that you abstain from the endemic, degenerate hook up culture while you look for a woman worthy of being a wife/mother for your kids

this is like libertarians/ancaps arguing with paleo cons and other right wingers. you guys are on the same team, quit infighting.

Prenup is putting fire out with gasoline.
Does no one question the fact that you don't trust each other before getting married to stick with it?
Then what is the point of marriage in the first place if you don't have trust for each other to begin with, it's ridiculous.

This

MGTOW are genetic dead ends. Omegas males who blame society for their lack of success with women, and use hyperbole about muh degenerate women to justify it when in reality they've never actually been in a relationship before.

But it's a self-correcting problem. Pic related.

Unfortunately, pornography, masturbation, and the feminized culture have made the vast majority of men into weak, broken slaves.

>He doesn't know that pre-nups are regularly thrown out in court

Prenups are easily breakable these days, the courts are littered with the wrecks of men who trusted a prenup. Especially if there are kids. Any decent lawyer will tell you that - if they tell you otherwise, they're trying to rack up billable hours.

The only way to keep money safe in a marriage is to hide it offshore, or put your assets in a trust before marriage, then only the stuff you make during the marriage is contested, as it's marital property.
To correct the person you were posting to, alimony is rare these days, it fell out of usage when no contest divorce came along. It's also not guaranteed she gets the house, there is no rule in any court about that, it's negotiated by both sides, by $200 an hour lawyers on both sides. Generally men will allow the mother to stay in the home until the children are grown - if there are no kids the house is sold and the money split, or one buys the other out. Dividing up assets in a divorce is not a set in stone rule, that's why you need a good lawyer for the negotiation part.
But she can leave at any time, forbid access to the kids until the divorce is final, but once the divorce is final, husbands do have negotiated visitation rights, and often the parent who gets primary custody can't leave the state without the ex's permission. Of course this is abused. It's complicated, and keeps lawyers in business.
I say, get rid of no fault. If the wife cheats, then she gets nothing. Make her put her future on the line. That might bring down the number of cheating wives, right there.

No, it comes completely from no fault divorces. Period. None of this shit would be going on if they'd never allowed it.

Success with women doesn't make kids. Charley Sheen slept with how many women? Thousands? How any kids he have? 4? Pathetic result. Most kids have not dating men but sperm donors.

Prenups are really only for existing assets, and for things like family land and houses, businesses, things like that. A prenup doesn't cover anything made during the marriage, and are easily broken by lawyers all the time.

If you trust a prenup for anything during the marriage, you wasted the money drawing it up.

If there are kids, the judge can and will completely disregard the prenup when computing child support.

What do you think will women ask for when they go look for sperm? They'll want a fit, about 185cm, white man

>have an actual family and instill family values into your wife and youll be doing your part
literally no one on Sup Forums is going to argue this, leaf.

the bottleneck in this equation is finding a woman you can start a healthy and stable family with

>Yes, don't get married or have children, goyim.

A useless piece of paper since family courts aren't aiming for justice

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It's an obvious proxy tardo
another slide thread with a look at muh flag OP faggot

Exactly. I would be tradcon if we simply reversed women's suffrage and restored responsibility

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>the bottleneck in this equation is finding a woman you can start a healthy and stable family with

just because its hard doesnt mean you should give up

no fault divorce, and any kind of divorce would fuck over any woman with low SMV (and arguable any woman period) without the welfare state

That's the crapshoot, right there. The women I know who married, had kids, and stayed in their marriages until now (I'm old), are the ones who married up right after high school or college, and their husbands were their first or second lover. Once a woman learns how easy it is to get laid, and to replace a guy, she's then unmarryable. The women who stayed married also bloomed later in life, they were nerdy or geeky and shy in high school and college, were not 8, 9, or 10's, and were not party girls.

The older they get, the worse the odds are. Anything after 30, it's like taking every penny you have, and the deed to your home, and putting it all on red on the roulette table in Vegas. It's a sucker bet.
If you don't get divorced, you'll be miserable, and trapped. I watched all my cousins go from fun, happy, adventurous guys, to miserable people who hide in the corner at family parties, complaining about their wives and children, looking over their shoulders all paranoid that SHE'S listening. They don't hang out, they don't visit, and their cunt wives get cat butt face if they talk to the wrong relatives, and yank them out of the party, and scream at them outside.

Yeah, I'm missing SO MUCH. Their kids hate them, they're being crushed by debt, any hobbies they had are long gone, and IF they have a spare hour after the Honey Do list on weekends, they can watch a football game and have A beer. They take overtime or second jobs to get out of the house. Now I know why my uncle started a house painting business on the side as a cop, and hired all his male relatives.

Reminder fembot wives are in the very near future
you kill yourself

voting for the benefit of the individual over the benefit of the family/kids

just because youre free to fuck up society doesnt mean you should
and when the fuck did i say it was slavery

fuck right off

kek, this.

Because it's impossible to write equitable divorce laws. Right? Shut the fuck up, SJW.

>muh legacy
the universe can eat a bag of dicks

Gud poast

MGTOW is good for society.

I'd rather focus on becoming immortal

>voting for the benefit of the individual
How no fault divorce and lifestyle alimony do benefit men/husbands as individuals again? And why should they vote for that?

>and when the fuck did i say it was slavery
It was reference to doublethink contradiction liberal thinking who call things by opposite of their nature.

>men no longer supporting society so it crumbles is good for society
Please elaborate.

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>men no longer supporting society so it crumbles is good for society
Yes.

they dont. women vote that way and women outvote men

i shoudlve said that before, my bad

To all the cucks here. Want to reverse mgtow tomorrow? Take away no fault divorce instead of shaming men into entering these suicide pacts called marriage.

You can draft a prenup to basically leave your wife as she was before she entered the marriage. The only thing you can't get out of contractually is paying child support.

>no fault divorce
even eliminating alimony and "child support" that isn't child support would encourage men to take more risks

Enjoy spending the rest of your life in jail (if you refuse to pay child support or can't afford it) or 18 years of your life raising a kid that will probably end up being a non-binary masculine transgender woman in today's society.

Holy fuck that broken english makes your post exemplify your true slavic soul.

We westerners are so souless compared to you.

MGTOW memes are a million times more funny than anti-MGTOW memes.

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>Propagate genes
>Wife gets bored of you
>Divorces your ass
>Kid grows up to be another confused fucktard and adds to the rank of leftists
Good going dumbfuck.

Because you live in a democracy, women (and their orbiters) vote. They vote more than men, and they vote for gibs from men.

Therefore, no matter what you fucking do, women will always dominate society.

You can't take away their right to vote, to prevent them from dominating men and they aren't going to vote away their own voting rights.

So the only way to fix this problem IS to have society crumble. It is the only time we can take away their voting rights by force.

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hurt durr don't get married, don't have children, be a good goy

MGTOWs are closer to liberals in a lot of cases.

They don't care about traditions, they just care about their personal issues, and they just want women to be held to high standards while men should be held to low standards. They usually don't want to hold their part of the deal in traditional gender relations. Feminists want women to be "liberated" and for men to be screwed, MGTOW just wants men to be "liberated".

They promote low birth rates and for white people not to have children, that's the main issue. They promote inaction instead of self-improvement and action, again that goes against the whole thing.

Not only that but they keep attacking even redpilled women instead of kikes or leftists (because they care more about their issues with women than real enemies, Islamization, fixing things or saving the West), they keep falling for the character assassinations against them, and just make everyone look bad.

Anti-feminism and not letting women act like cunts is fine, but they take it to a level where it doesn't lead anywhere.