How do you defeat nihilism?

On some level I want to get /fit/ and get married and bear 12 aryan sons but I can't convince myself that there is any objective system of value, so my efforts at self improvement always get shut down by the thought that none of it would actually matter. I imagine a lot of young white people deal with this problem, how do we solve it?

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it is an individual problem, sounds like you dont enjoy life. pursue what you want and meaning may follow.

which one of you fucked that tree?

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it seems to be a civilizational problem at this point, depression and suicide rates are at an all time high and rising. i pursue what i enjoy (sitting on my ass all day and refreshing the catalog), meaning has never followed.

I'd phrase it in a less personal way next time, jeez, but it is a valid political question, this is a widespread problem.

I had to go through 6 years of existential crisis to get past nihilism. At some level it's essential that you reject physicalism (there is an objective existance and it's based on matter. The mind is made of matter and thats all there is) and become more of a duelist (There is a physical and a "spiritual" world that interact). Physicalism leads directly to nihilism. When you believe in something perpendicular to the material world, whether or not that's a religion or spirituality or just some sort of esotericism, you stop believing the bullshit that society tells you about you being small and meaningless in the grand scheme of things, and instead you realize that on the contrary everything you do or think has an immense effect on the world around you.

meant to say dualist*

Defeat nihilism = embrace absurdism.

I was despondent about everything, watching where the world is going. Then there was this great war coming of one race against another and it seemed like it was this great happening that can give my life a meaning. But I realized that I'm not an animal fighting for animal ideals that are shoved down our throats so I embraced God.

You're most likely hiding something.

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Clean your room

Change your lifestyle, attitude, the way you eat, quit any bad habits, organize your room/house/living area, you'll find new motivation in places where you wouldn't expect and it keeps you away from the nihilistic dread of everything, I find the more I smoke weed the more apathetic I become so I've been trying to limit my consumption.

>I can't convince myself that there is any objective system of value
You don't need to convince yourself as long as you act as if an objective system of value exists.

Listen to some Alan Watts

Find your motivation in the existence of your people. Grow yourself to love them, and they will grow themselves to love each other. Reject apathy, take action, and fight back against the lies you have been fed all your life.

It doesn't really get any better user.
I'm living the dream right now. I make a lot of money, have a beautiful wife, a house, kids on the way, but I'm still a heavily depressed alcoholic. I try to see the bright side of things but every time I come to the conclusion that its only a matter of time until the white race is annihilated and we plunge into full degeneracy.

Develop a strict rubric for advancement. As it stands, no amount of effort will guarantee you anything. So, set some guidelines. Have standardized assessments to measure capability. Then, hire for jobs based on that capability score. Eliminate nepotism and make it a complete meritocracy.

Nihilism isn't actually a problem. The problem is that you think that life's lack of "meaning" is something meaningful.

I choose to piss in the toilet instead of on the floor. There's no "meaning" to it, I just do it because I want to; just like everything else in my life.

Just do what you want. It doesn't have to have meaning.

You have misinterpreted Nietzsche's philosophy. Actually research nihilism.

I don't support it in any form, however, and believe this world is a school, not a playground or fighting pit, and that we are here to grow and improve.

Start listening to lectures by Manly P. Hall. He was pretty effective in using philosophy and comparative religion to debunk the post-modern cult of meaningless so prevalent today, and to explain why it exists to such a startling extent in society today.

I discovered Hermeticism after that, but you will find your own path. No matter what, you'll realize through information what a contrived lie modernity and materialism really is.

what, from myself or from Sup Forums?

how do you make yourself believe in god? i was raised to see him as kind of an absurd idea

how do you convince yourself to act that way?

I already do what i want, i've followed your "philosophy" for 20 years, it's left me deeply unfulfilled, i'm just trying to see if theres something more i'm missing.

>a "spiritual" world that interact)*
>* citation needed

There is an objective system of value. Your brain will tell you what it wants, just listen to it.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind–body_dualism

Or did you mean that you want a physical proof for a nonphysical system. That would be illogical.

Suicide and depression will always rise because population is increasing.

nihilism is overcome by existentialism

you create your own subjective values and live your life according to them because ultimately you choose what's important to you and there is no objectivity

objectivity wouldn't make something matter anyway

>tfw commies don't even understand the concept of "rates"

so why spiritual if there's no evidence for it

Find meaning in tradition.

You are the scion of billions of years of life. You are a piece of the universe that has achieved self-awareness. We have come from singularity to unimaginable complexity, and it is still just the start. Your ancestors have lived and fucked and fought since we first evolved language. You are the descendant of 1000's of humans who have all successfully had a mate, without fail. You have a duty to continue this great work. Our job as folks alive today is to survive the impending rough time and allow our people to have their destiny of expanding into the stars.

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Was Goebbels our guy?

What is absurd is to claim that in a materialistic lifeless world something happened by accident.

It's difficult to explain this really. Religion and spirituality is to qualia what science is to matter. When you start asking yourself, what if spiritual ideas might be true, and start applying them to situations in your life, then you start noticing connections. since science and spirituality are perpendicular systems that interact indirectly you can't prove one in the other.

If you want to do that then it becomes your meaning

>tfw the last thing he tried went totally wrong too

Narcissism and pride.

more and more it seems like nat soc is the default reaction to widespread cultural nihilism. We are weimar germany to a point right now.

Try an existential experience.

By not being 15.

There is no inherent meaning to life, other than enjoying your life. According to the Bible we lost a paradise world. There really is no point in fighting or struggling for something that isn't eternal, otherwise in time it wisps away. Don't know if you believe in evolution or not, but the evolutionary algorithm seems to really want to preserve life. I guesx you could interpret yhat as something spiritual if you want.

not an argument.

like what?

>its another he needs to feel important episode
its always the i want to be special and feel important bullshit.
peasants have no sway, its just dreams for people with no hope that still grasp whatever they have left

nice read though.

saw a pretty good video on nihilism

youtube.com/watch?v=MBRqu0YOH14


it's like, nothing matters so you may as well do what makes you happy
like in the Buddhist teaching, all life is suffering, so if you can do things to lessen the suffering, you're life will be more enjoyable

obviously i've simplified this, i don't know very much about it. jordan peterson talks about this kind of thing a lot

Start something you like, user.

Motivation follows action. Not the other way....

Why is it our duty to continue the legacy of our forbears?

You'll make value judgments even without a consistent, objective system for it. They'll just be inconsistent and subjective. Arbitrary. Those systems are a prerequisite for a society to flourish, bringing objectivity and communicability. Without religion or some other external source of value the choice of system is arbitrary and there's no real reason to prefer a system which benefits society more over a system that would benefit the individual more aside from acknowledgement and rewards offered by the society. Of which there are none anymore. You've three options. Become a:
>nihilist
>good goy
>jew

It's a conscious choice you have to make. Participate in this great work, or push the button on the Skinner-box until you die.

> How do you defeat nihilism?
Jesus Christ.

about accepting God:

the best advice I can offer is that you try it and see where it takes you. I work with wood and I know one thing that all woodworkers do, whether earthly or celestial: you can think about tables and chairs all day long, but sooner or later you have to make some chips and shavings. The only way to fail is never to try.

kill yourself
or dont

This is good advice in general. Why not try out Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Mormonism, Hinduism and others? The worst thing that can happen is learning that it isn't for you.

As a matter of fact, I did the same thing once. I'm glad I tried the working thing instead of just outright giving up and going NEET. Now, I'm much more confident that I was always meant to live NEET and that working just isn't for me.

We continue our culture because it supports our race, but no culture is eternal, it is subject to change over time. Race is eternal, which is why we fight for it through continuing a positive culture.

If there is no value, then doesn't that make your adherence to Nihilism worthless as well? If there truly is no purpose or value, why don't you create value or purpose instead of reveling in your newly discovered freedom you always had in the first place? Instead of doing all of the reckless shit people told you not to do, why don't you examine reality through your newfound perspective on life?

Ex: If there is no God, what would you lose from worshiping the imaginary deity? If your gamble is correct, it's eternal life. If you lose, nothing was lost if nothing truly mattered in the grand scheme of things.

what is the point in doing that when i can be comfy? seriously, without using any adhom/shaming tactics, rationally explain to me what the point of striving for things when there is no objective value system.

alright nigger pay attention
>pic related
>jordan peterson's maps of meaning lectures and bible series
>watch molymeme's intro to philosophy where he lays down an ironclad philosophical proof of secular ethics: youtube.com/watch?v=B_04Povks18&list=PLC1647D7F937DDE7A

that'll unfuck you. I went through a nearly decade-long crippling existential crisis and crazy bad depression. I contemplated suicide daily. I am the user in the OP of pic related.
Then I found existential philosophy, objective ethics and morality, and a map towards meaning.

Society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they will never sit in.

Ubermensch up, user.

There is no point other than the threat of stagnation. The point is that if you want value in your life, you have to create the value otherwise there is no point. If you don't understand why you shouldn't revel in Nihilism, then I suppose there is no point in me trying to stop or explain it to you.

But know this, all of the things, adult tell you not to do, have a reason behind them whether good or bad.

Sell everything you own and give me the money. You won't, because you make value judgements, even if instinctually make arbitrary ones.

You can't argue against value judgments because they're intrinsic to living beings and you can't escape making them. It's an exercise in futility and deflecting from the real argument, being that of arbitrary instinctual value judgments contra moral systems.

>how do you make yourself believe in god? i was raised to see him as kind of an absurd idea

Unpleb yourself: youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w&list=PL22J3VaeABQD_IZs7y60I3lUrrFTzkpat

I've lead you to water but I cannot make you drink.

The rest is up to you.

Good luck user.

Sort yourself out

Desu

I don't understand the last sentence of your post, but i'm not arguing against personal value judgements, i'm just asking why i should care when they're not objective.

>why I should care
It doesn't matter if you fucking care. You make them anyway. You're arguing against value judgments, which you embrace, pretending that makes an argument against moral systems. It's blatant cognitive dissonance, a double standard.

If I'm understanding you right, are you asking why you should acknowledge/respect the value that is attributed to items through the currency that is money?

Thats so fucking stupid.

Holy shit you faggots on here are so self absorbed that you actually think you're the only ones in this world to feel the way you do.

Sorry snowflake but you aren't special.

And nietzsche is for emo butt hurt kids who can't accomplish anything in their life.
Go cut yourself please.

Faggots.

i just started a thread with the same idea in mind

>meaning has never followed

But have you not witnessed the power of memes first hand? Can you not see they are indeed the substance of real life? That all which is memed can ultimately be made manifest if we simply meme harder?

If not, you're lurking here is a waste. Might I suggest >>/r9k/

Take DMT

i'm not arguing against value judgements, i'm aware i make them, i'm asking why i should do anything difficult/that i don't immediately want to do if theres no objective reason to do so. i genuinely do not see the dissonance there.

i'm personally set for life in the material currency department so idc about that, someone else might i guess.

which peterson lecture would you recommend first? is there one in which he addresses this specific question head-on?

Be Jordan Peterson

Embrace nondualism above all else and you will become like the Buddha. Every moment suffuse with meaning.

There is no intrinsic value user. All things return to nothing. All of your achievements, all of your possessions, all of what you were will be forgotten in the stream of time. Don't do anything for that.

Do what you want to do for the experience of it, for that is the only meaningful thing you can aquire. Life is but a brief movie that will end, but you can try to enjoy the ride.

this

>How do you defeat nihilism?
history. Nihilism says nothing matters but clearly everything matters, I personally enjoy the though of furthering my race, society, or culture. Were mortal but we can contribute to imortal ideals.

Watch Jordan Peterson videos on youtube

He read 19th and 20th century philosophers so you don't have to, and he tells you how to SORT YOURSELF OUT

So are you trying to justify your lack of desire for more than you already have?

no, i materially have plenty to meet my basic wants and needs for the rest of my natural life, why would i suffer for more?

>I'm not arguing against value judgments
>just any value judgments that entail expending any effort
So what makes effort special?
You seek pleasure. You avoid pain. Go ahead, define what makes effort so unique as to be a special case deserving an entirely separate approach if you value objectivity so highly.

Maybe start frequenting /fit/ but please don't bring Sup Forums banter with you, anything political on there is b8

You're better served watching Arthur F Holmes' lectures.

nihilism is good

you dont need to share common values with degenerate society

Oh, so your just content with your current situation and are simply looking for a reason to strive higher. If personal growth has any value to you, that would be my reason, but I don't really buy much either. You could always try making stuff with your hands if you have the resources, but don't you want to become a better you?

Read fucking Nietzsche, he advocates for the opposite of giving up.

Nihilism is the real red pill, anything else is blue pill nonsense. You are a member of the master race. It's a tough burden to hold, but you are strong enough.

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I genuinely do not understand what you are trying to get at m8, why would i value someone elses value judgements? i make them myself, i don't fault others for making them, but why would i care about theirs?

how can we define a universal "better" if no objective value exists? i'm not trying to be a pedantic dick, i've just tried to stick to my own personal standard of "betterment" so many times and been shut down by my own depressive, nihilistic brain that i think i might just not be capable of it. idk what to even say anymore, i keep hoping that somehow i'll find a way to rationalize a belief in an objective truth and that would solve all of my problems but i'm probably just deluding myself, some of us just aren't made for this world i guess.

I always wonder why this is a bad thing. When the AI/Android world is in full swing in 20 years, 50% of jobs are just in the wind. People still need to do things. Doing degenerate things is probably the only thing left that doesn't cost money. Also, a Sexbot will be involved, and we know what will happen then, especially on /b. If nature wants degeneration to happen, then this is where we go.

Educate thyself

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You can defeat nihilism by explaining out its natural conclusion: That you should either kill yourself, or build a value system of your own.

Love.

>build a value system of your own
This. I've been happily NEET for over 4 years now by appreciating every detail of my days. I can do this forever.
Nice quads btw

Nihilism is the biggest Blue Pill
YouTube was even pushing a pro nihilist video in trending recently.

If we accept a "simulation theory" brain, than depression and the resulting suicide is just a "defect" of the simulation. They are now very successful new methods to defeat all kinds of "negative" feelings in brains. Most of the people don't really want to get better and are fine munching pills, but there are other ways.

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If effort is your problem to the point where you see every exertion of energy as a burden, then my advice to you would be to stop basing your actions on feelings and try to work towards strengthening will power.

It sounds to me that depression may be your main problem which is a result of stagnation in my opinion. The plus however, is that simple exercise or exertion of energy should get you out of the rut, but that requires the maintaining of that exertion through will power.

Nothing matters
Even if you have 12 aryan kids, the white race is outnumbered.
Liberals will slowly turn the whole world brown and muslims will rule. Another dark age is approaching and there's nothing we can do about it without being labeled "crazy racist scum".

Rip human race, we will never get off this rock and explore the universe. Because that would be haram

Calls into question your objection on the grounds of objectivity.

What separates acting on your urges or where reward is immediately apparent, and exerting yourself to bring about conditions wherein you may flourish is only the time frame. It's a completely value-neutral distinction. The former being reactive, the latter proactive. That's the only fundamental difference, and is not grounds for treating effort as a special case or something inherently negative to be avoided as your instinct does pain. Only misguided effort which won't bear fruit. It(hedonism) supports intelligently applied effort. There's nothing fundamentally bad about effort unless all your efforts are misguided, you being either a supremely unfortunate individual or stupid to such a degree you're divinely accurate in your wrongness.

You're being inconsistent, obviously attempting to rationalize and justify your laziness.

its ridiculously unlikely that we arent "living" inside a simulation
death is just game over, but there is no continuity, you wont remember anything in your next life, it wont even be you because you dont know the real you, the player playing this character atm

or you could just be one of the AIs filling this simulation for the real players, if there even are any

i admit that the aversion to effort is a personal value judgement, like all of us make. in the absence of objective values, what else is there to do? the question still stands, why should i abide by anything other than my own personal value judgements?

yeah, that's pretty much the problem.

>And nietzsche is for emo butt hurt kids who can't >accomplish anything in their life.

I had a easy going, good looking guy in the circle, who went to university, took psychology and philosophy classes - and suddenly went full Nietzsche.

Sold all his stuff, trained to become the ripped and vegan 'ubermensch', read all about Philosophy he could, got all the top grades and degrees and now has half a tenure spot in a obscure university. He lives in houses of rich, divorced MILFs he is constantly using for sex. Once or twice a year he manages to pull one of the student/youngsters in his cult-like circle. The last girl was shy, pudgy half asian chick, that now ripped like a free style kickboxer.

Just hooking on Nietsche for keks is one thing, but there are people who take his words as a base for their lives.

>and now has half a tenure spot in a obscure university.
state suckler is not an accomplishment