Wtf im a democrat now

wtf im a democrat now

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give me one reason why a right winger who isnt a member of the global elite/illuminati would oppose this

99% tax for those reptileniggers

Most republicans are now aware that the majority of the one percent are ultra liberals so nobody has a problem taxing ultra liberals.

>wtf im a democrat now
how?
you believe that the rich should be taxed more?
that's retarded.

what we need is smaller government, not more money pumped into the big fat piece of shit we have now.

Where are the "why do conservatives vote against their economic interests" faggots now?

Also, what the fuck captcha

when it's time to liquidate assets.

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Everyone should pay the same percentage in tax.

It's only for $5million/year or more that'll be taxed higher

My dad only makes $1.5million so my inheritance is safe

>givign me prager U links
get the fuck out of here you pea brained ape

PragerU has some good videos.. Why would you discard the video prehand, because you dislike some of the other materials that they have produced?

because a 4 minute video made by those braindead christcucks isnt going to be anything more complex than BA BA BOO BOO WHY DA HARD WORKERS GOTTA PAY FOR DA LAZYBOYS maybe in some utopian objectivist capitalism sure but the markets we live in are a rigged game with coorporate-govt. conglomorates at the top of the heap using every trick in the book to hold their ground.

Its a big nothing, user.
Most people who make more than 5 million a year aren't getting that money from a wage or a salary, they are getting that money from capital gains, a tax which they will probably slash the first chance they get.
Anyone with a salary above 5m (top level execs and CEOs only) will just switch their compensation packages to partially include stock options etc.

When Bannon or Trump start talking about increasing capital gains tax I will start believing they have a tax-the-rich-more agenda.

>the administration does something liberals should like
>"Shit! Instead of being happy about this I need to rush to Sup Forums to sow division amongst his supporters."

Derangement.

You are commenting on the potential content of a 4 min video you didnt see..
Just watch it, you might learn something i.e. change your mind.

I don't believe it was a serious comment he was making but by all means I think you should continue for the edification of everybody in this thread

>Bezos, Buffet, Soros, and Gates will all have to pay another 5% of their unlimited incomes.

WTF I LOVE THE 1% NOW

How is r/The_Donald reacting?

Lol he basically nazi. Lefties have been right on this one.

/ourfuckingguy/

>pay more to fuck yourselves gloablist traitors

I like Bannon now.

So he's a nationalist and a socialist. If only there was a word for this.

But don't worry, the left will be here to explain how this is actually an evil right wing capitalist racist conspiracy and how we shouldn't raise those taxes after all.

Just open the borders and flood the countries with more workers to undercut everyone. That's how you do leftism in 2017. Fuck workers, they're racist. Just go on the dole man.

????????????

the thing is, this runs contrary to what plebs want to hear, but the way it should be run is that you tax the middle class and the "poor", and then leave the top 10% or so with their megabucks.

you do this because what happens is that money invariably gets invested, new jobs and opportunities arise for everyone, and the quality of life for the lowest and middle classes becomes markedly improved.

but some people can't deal with that, and they look to the people who are creating that high quality of life and try to vilify them. this leads to socialism, which invariably leads to poverty (note countries that libs refer to as "socialist" like sweden aren't actually "socialist", they actually use the model i am describing to finance their massive social welfare programs and do it to reasonable success)

bannon is a very smart dude, and obviously one of /ourguys/. i don't know what his reasoning is, and trump too has said in his campaign that he doesn't mind paying more taxes and thinks the wealthy should maybe be taxed more, but at the end of the day, from all reports and by all measures, it does seem as though this administrations plan is to lower taxes across to the board.

so woo hoo, "steve bannon said a thing, lets make it national news". whatever, just a waste of time.

They wont pay anything additional.. I'm not saying this from a tinfoil stance.
There is tax-loops, meaning you wont have to be tax on the money you donate to charity for instance.
Last year Buffet paid 17 million or so in taxes, because he earned 30-50 million. His actual earnings was in the billions, but he donated it all to Bill and Melissa Gates foundation.

Do Soros pay taxes? no he donate it all to various charities, so does everyone else among the wealthy.

I wont go into speculations about the nature of charities.. i think Hillary Clintons charities are a nice example about the strange nature of these charities.

>There is tax-loops, meaning you wont have to be tax on the money you donate to charity for instance.
it's true that there are ways this could be done so that it's only taxing hoarders, which wouldn't be bad, and leaving the people who reinvest their money into the economy (which is vital for EVERYONES prosperity) with their stacks of cash

Good, I have no problems with the kikes in the 5 million dollar income bracket getting a tax hike. This is different than the typical bullshit that the liberals and democrats pull, where when they talk about "making the rich pay their fair share" they're actually talking about the upper-middle-class people who are trying their best to run mom and pop shops and small businesses.

It also needs to be coupled with restrictions on companies leaving America and going overseas for better tax plans, however. And Bannon has said as much.

>Do Soros pay taxes? no he donate it all to various charities, so does everyone else among the wealthy.
>I wont go into speculations about the nature of charities..

Why not? It's well known it's the best way to keep and transfer wealth due to the deductible """"chartitable"""" nature.

What you do is you put a billion in a "do good" fund that does nothing. That money is allowed to be invested and grow, for the good of the fund. Appoint yourself part of the board of directors for the fund and pay yourself handsomely from the money. You need to pay taxes on this part, but don't worry, whatever you pay yourself - the fund has grown by millions in the meantime.

Just by having a giant deductable from your taxes you've earned millions, but you never lost the money you "gave away" because you own and operate the charity.

Just give out some tshirts to starving africans every once in a while and you'll be lauded by the poor and middle class as a paragon of the elite for "doing so much". I can only imagine the 0.1% jerk off frequently to receiving this praise from the dumb masses for a giant tax scam.

Maybe as much as they laugh themselves silly over having stupid goyim going to look at """art""" they're creating money out of thin air by overvaluing, insuring and then "donating".

When the people let themselves be fooled this easily is it any wonder the only entertainment you can find in life is raping and eating children?

WTF i love bannon nao

Source on Warren Buffet paying a tax on 0.0001% or so, on his actual earnings.
From 41.15
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The debate is not that great btw..

Trump really needs to wield the IRS against these turbo kikes and their NGO puppets. Everything from the Clinton Foundation to the SPLC to the ADL to the Open Society Foundation all count as tax-exempt charities under 501(c)3 status, even though they're all clearly in fucking violation of this by being explicitly political organizations used as slush funds and other nefarious shit.

become a libertarian or a (((((((((((((((((green))))))))))))))))))))))

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The truly wealthy don't pay income tax.

hilarious coming from probably the most all-round successful countries where the high taxes for the rich and low taxes for the poor have given you one of the strongest middle classes in the world

Checked. I agree. If you have that much fucking money then the world won't end if Cuckerberg or Bezos gets a few more mil. taxed from them.

>(((prager U)))

We all know damn well that the rich don't actually pay the nominal tax level. We effectively have a regressive tax system, where the rich actually pay proportionately less than the middle class. With the right restrictions in place, a tax hike on the super-rich kikes would be perfectly fine.

25% should be the limit

>one of the strongest middle classes

This is the key my friend. The middle class is the only producing class. The elites are parasites who use monetary systems to squeeze money out of the middle class. The poor are dumb wageslaves and welfare parasites who scream out for more constantly.

The big carrot in life is advancing to the top of the pile where you get to exploit the rest with capital, but the overwhelming majority don't have a fucking chance getting there. 90% or more of generational wealth is inherited in one form or another.

You can make it up to the middle class. Like how poor people think being a doctor is sunshine and roses. But in reality doctors work their asses off for a slice of upper middle class life and then in turn support parasites on their wages from both sides.

Even worse are the self-righteous cunts who go into trades and make bundles and think they cheated the system without realizing they don't have the skills to invest or use capital. All they are is another rat to squeeze with their work earnings and GDP growth production.

People really deserve their fate.

You don't have any cards, they've spent more than a century setting this system up. They're mass importing immigrants to deal with the coming riots when people finally realize they don't even need the working class anymore. Stupid as they are the people will turn on the imported third worlders instead of the elites that stole everything and then opened the flood gates.

You see it here on Sup Forums too.

>where the rich actually pay proportionately less than the middle class.
my question to you is why do you think this is bad? taxing the rich leads to economic stagnation and no growth or opportunity for anyone.

are the middle class producing jobs? no. not really. all the middle class does with their money is spend at corporations and go into debt that is far higher risk than the upper classes debt (hello housing crisis of 2008).

wealth inequality works. wealth inequality raises the standard of living for EVERYONE, this is literally economics 101. everytime people try to "fix the wealth inequality" they end up within a generation starving their own citizenry. literally. like that's both a historical constant and something that's still playing out in the world today. so why shouldn't the wealthy be taxed far less than the middle class?

t. shlomo. The people in the 5 million dollar bracket are all leftist turbokikes who are doing everything they can to kill us with immigration, middle class taxes, and wars for israel. Fuck them. We should be trying to support the upper-middle-class and allow more people the chance to become small business owners via deregulation and tax cuts for normal citizens. The kikes can fuck off and go to hell.

Sup Forums is sadly kind of confused about whether libertarian "Taxes are theft!" ideology is "Sup Forums or not."

I respect libertarians a lot, especially their underlying values. I really fucking do. But at the end of the day, if you're a nationalist of any kind, you're either a welfare state nationalist or a balls-to-the-wall capitalist nationalist.

Welfare state sounds like it means everyone should be a fucking pussy. What it really means is that, like many European countries, everyone should have access to the same amenities and education so that a gigantic cancerous rich cocksucker upper class doesn't develop that gives no fucks about the country itself, and sees itself as something SEPARATE from the nation. The idea of nationalism only really works if you don't have massive, wealthy in-groups inside the nation who could give less than a shit about it as a whole.

We've tried low-tax, trickle-down economics. It doesn't work. That's what Reagan and the Neocons tried, and they were just a business party of rich faggots. But what should make you even angrier than the ultra-rich bankers, if you're a Sup Forumsfag, is the upper 5-10% of "fairly rich" guys who simply evade 75% of their taxes using scams that EVERYONE uses (note: Trump referenced these). The ultra-rich, of course, pay almost no taxes at all.

Like I said, at the end of the day, you're either a nationalist and a (mild) socialist, or a nationalist and a capitalist. In a properly functioning society, nationalist sentiment would simply be high enough that rich assholes didn't become completely independent multi-national bankers the instant they became rich. But we don't have culture strong enough for that. At least not yet. Until then, we need some way of preventing the super rich from stealing all the fucking money. That's not anti-capitalism, it's not anti-liberty, it's just a fact of life.

Anti-tax rhetoric is a leftover from the Neocons.

>why shouldn't the wealthy be taxed far less than the middle class?
Because it will distort a free market competition. If early Facebook would have to outcompete Arto while they paid taxes and Arto did not, then the competition would be inhibited.
To ensure maximal competitive environment, then everyone should pay the same %. Otherwise you end up subsidizing older, established companies, and punish new - but potentially superior, companies.

dude you just say "fuck the kikes" and don't make any economic argument whatsoever. if you tax people based on what you think is "fair" or what you personally want to see happen, rather than economic policy, then you're going to see everyone starve, and even your "upper middle class". like wth isn't that just common sense?

also not that it's even relevant but it's not all leftists and certainly not all joos in the 5 million plus bracket, maybe when you talk about the super rich, but not at that point, no, it's a lot of capitalists, right-wingers, AMERICANS and industrialists. those are primary JOBS providers.

more importantly though is the first point which is if you start going all MARX and just say "these are people i don't like so we're gonna have the government take their money" you're gonna end up starving and fucked over just like MARX and every country that has ever tried to implement his or any sort of socialist ideas

If Trump do it, take for granted that the average joe will vote for him. 8 years or 16.

They're not helping our job situation. They're sucking up our money, lobbying for things that exclusively help themselves out, and then running off to china and india and/or replacing us with immigrant labor anyway just to save a couple extra bucks. Giving them lower taxes doesn't magically make them altruistic and change their stance to "you know what, I think we should stop fucking over people by replacing their labor with outsourcing/immigrants"


>but not at that point, no, it's a lot of capitalists, right-wingers, AMERICANS and industrialists. those are primary JOBS providers.
Oh wow shmuel, you really make me want to fly my fucking american flag and go full burger patriotard. That shit might have worked on boomer neocon retards, but not anymore.

I'm not a marxist. I'm a tribalist. I'll do whatever it takes to suppress the power of those that are trying to kill us off.

Tax me more. I make 190K a year and I'm not nearly taxed enough.

Bannon gets better and better. I'd kiss this guy if I could. Only redeeming person in the whole American government.

to be honest I'd rather have higher taxes than tons of debt

if we're serious about raising money then we have to tax the rich more since nobody else can contribute anything meaningful

the best solution would be to cut spending though

>Because it will distort a free market competition.
this is half true but there are two points which make it non relevant 1) if free market competition is the issue, the main obstacle is government regulation. so why not focus on repealing that instead? because once regulation is repealed then even with different tax rates competition can thrive and you can actually have the best of both worlds and 2) it doesn't really distort competition since people need to work for their original capitol and when the economy thrives (because of the spending of the richest 1%) everyone pads their bank account and can start a business of their own if they so choose.

you're just trying to put the blame on low tax rates for the rich when it's like 1% of the problem and regulation is 99% of the problem and then trying to invoke "the free market" as a platitude rather than a sound economic strategy.

your prescription would fucking decimate the economy and lead to poverty in the US or anywhere that tried to implement such a policy

what do you do

Airline pilot

making 190K a year? bullshit. I heard you guys make something like 50, 60K.

>They're not helping our job situation. They're sucking up our money, lobbying for things that exclusively help themselves out, and then running off to china and india and/or replacing us with immigrant labor anyway just to save a couple extra bucks.
but this is a question of OTHER political policies, not THIS political policy. you aren't making an economic argument, you're saying "i hate joos so tax the rich" and then totally refusing to even acknowledge all of the economic hell, chaos and depression that would cause.

also i agree with you that joos are the biggest problem in our society today, but you're if you think the majority of people in the over 5 million bracket are joos. that is factually untrue. again, when you talk about the super rich and the super influential academically, politically, banks, ect) then joos become a big factor. but the group you are talking about is primarily white american or WASP.

and either way you can't tax job creators just because they're jooish, that would still cause economic chaos and lead to poverty for everyone WTF.

pls respond with a fucking economic argument if you're going to (even though there isn't one because this is economics 101) rather than "bu bu bu but i hate da joos!"

The middle class do produce jobs when they have money to buy shit. This idea that if you give a really rich guy an extra million he'll immediately throw it back into the economy is dumb.

You heard that? From who? Some regional airline pilots make that much starting out (first year pay) I've been in the industry since 2008 and am at a mainline legacy carrier... captains at this airline top out over 350K

>you're just trying to put the blame on low tax rates for the rich when it's like 1% of the problem and regulation is 99% of the problem and then trying to invoke "the free market" as a platitude rather than a sound economic strategy.
The regulation and tax loops, are obviously insane.. But i think my comment about a reverse-progressive tax distorting the free market is sound.
Many of the successful companies today, those which have outcompeted rivals, started as small companies, but with a superior product or strategy managed to succeed.
If they have to pay taxes, while their competitor does not, they have a diminished ability to compete.
Regardless of regulation and other problems that are the "primary problem", a reverse-progressive tax rate is not a superior tax system to a flat-tax system.

>Everyone should pay the same percentage in tax.

They have more property to lose, so they should be more invested in funding the police, social services, etc. Which is why progressive income tax is the only way (unless the gov nationalizes production of psychoactive drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and anything that is harmful to the individual, only to fuck up those industries utterly)

except thats literally how economics works. it's literally how western capitalism has always functions and how you managed to be born into the place with the highest standard of living of any place in history, where even the poorest of the poor, for the most part, have full plates of food and fucking iPhones while they run around and ignorantly bitch about "muh wealth inequality" and "muh taxes on da rich"

"I am very wealthy, I have the best money," the President was quoted at press time. "I want to help other people get the best money too."

tactically this is pure gold. btfo the narrative on trump's taxes and republicans being the party of the rich and force the dems to either get in line behind the president or explain why they are voting against the policies they claim (lying fucks) to support.

This is an actual tax increase on the rich. Dem taxes increases for the past 20 years have been tax increases on the middle class, not the rich.

Even that cock sucker Reagan raised taxes on the middle class (social security payroll) while cutting taxes for the rich.

The top 1% is 45% Jewish. Tax them into bankruptcy for all I care.

Weird how after the Bush tax cuts we went into one of the biggest recessions in our nation's history. I mean we cut taxes, things should have just kept growing!

>also i agree with you that joos are the biggest problem in our society today, but you're if you think the majority of people in the over 5 million bracket are joos. that is factually untrue. again, when you talk about the super rich and the super influential academically, politically, banks, ect) then joos become a big factor. but the group you are talking about is primarily white american or WASP.

Nice try, shlomo. This is factually untrue. Not to mention that most of those WASPs are shabbos goyim traitors, along the lines of David Rockefeller.

>Everyone should pay the same percentage in tax.
sure. 0 income tax. equal tax on assets would be fine.

>But i think my comment about a reverse-progressive tax distorting the free market is sound.
invoking the free market is no argument when you do it as a platitude. the free market isn't a moral principle that you can just invoke and say "bu bu bu but muh free market" when there's no practical or concrete negative effect to point to, and especially when there is CATASTROPHIC practical, concrete effects to point to for taxing the rich more or even at a flat rate with everyone else.

the place where people get away with invoking "the free market" is when they're referencing THE POWER OF the free market. and in this case, this is relevant, because deregulation leads to plenty of competition to curb the issues you're discussing. this isn't theoretical. this is something that happens and is observable in our current system. that's why we shouldn't even be having this discussion to begin with

this isn't a fucking philosophy debate, jesus, this is economics and you have to consider the real world implications of what you're suggesting and what those implications are is poverty for all. thanks kid but your irrational hatred of the rich is gonna screw us all

>use race baiting tactics to divert away from class warfare mentality and replace it with race war mentality
>accidentally guide everyone closer to the former
Whoops

I question how many that are actual Jews, and how many whom are crypto-jews.
Most of them are Jews by a one-drop rule.. Take Ivanka, is she a Jew? Yes would be the answer, she would be one of the Jews in the top 1%.

Sounds anti-Semitic.

>being this new

The cuts prevented a DEEPER recession. Without the cuts, we probably would have suffered a complete economic collapse. The government ADDS nothing to the economy. It only takes. ITs choices are either to hurt the economy a little with low taxes, or hurt it a lot, with high taxes.

high risk debt from the middle class is what caused it. no? also this is an oversimplification of economic policy. economics always has to be holistic and look at the whole. i'm not here to defend GWB, i'm not a fan of neocons, but it's kind of stupid and ignorant to just say "but look this one thing happened and then this other thing happened so boom, connection!" and those taxes were NOT raised on the middle class, which is what i've suggested

however the truth is that was a big bubble that had to burst no matter what, so any discussion of this is just moot altogether as far as anyone who knows what they're talking about is concerned

BANNON IS NAZBOL! EAT THE RICH! GAS THE KIKES! RACE AND CLASS WAR NOW!

>a gigantic cancerous rich cocksucker upper class is bad
>somehow, more socialism prevents this from happening

The EU is riddled with countries with leaders like this, with Macron being the poster child of them because socialism creates an even sharper division between classes. That "balls to the wall" type capitalism you speak of actually dampens that somewhat in comparison.

like just to expand a little more on this, what happened was that things were so good for long (before GWB ever went into office) that people were making bullshit loans to people who couldn't pay them back. it was a bubble that grew and grew and grew until it was a fucking monster and finally it popped. it would have popped no matter what tax policy was implemented, the two were totally unrelated man. i didn't like GWB but you really can't look at his tax policy and say "that caused the sub prime mortgage crisis" like wtf haha

i''d really love to find out how many on nu/pol/ would consider themselves legit republicans because prior to the reddit influx it was pretty much 0% you were basically a third position(natsoc along those lines) or libertarian. Now we have people who really do believe that Sup Forums is some kind of republican stronghold

Saint Bannon?

why exactly has it taken you them so long? I think its all bullshit.

Its the same thing with Jews.

I believe the government should work for the people and only its native people (white) a national socialist nation if you will.

I'm an actual Nationalist SOCIALIST so yeah...I approve of what Bannon is doing.

>(((everyone)))

Fixed that for you, user

I specifically mention the impact of a company would have to compete with another for the same market, but one company pays taxes and the other does not.
This is an unfair advanteges, which may lead to superior products, cannot outcompete inferior products, because they have to pay taxes while their competitor are exempt.

Let me make an example. You start an ice-cream factory (you are making ice cream), and sell it to the super market. You have to pay taxes, the other ice cream manufactors like Ben and Jerry does not have to pay taxes - because they are rich. Your product may be better for the money than Ben and Jerrys, but because you have to pay taxes, you will have to sell it alot more expensive.
This principle touch on the entire economy.. you will get a lack of innovation, of new companies whom rise up and succeed. You will get a relative poorer society.

you have no clue what the fuck the difference natsoc and nazbol is do you?

One of the things I hated about Trump was his shitty tax policy. They don't deserve to keep their money so they can keep pushing degeneracy around the world. They should be taxed a shit ton more than that tbqh

So why not just eliminate taxes altogether for rich people? If some minor cuts supposedly make it grow some huge cuts would make it grow even bigger!

>deter people from building capital
no

>the way it should be run is that you tax the middle class and the "poor", and then leave the top 10% or so with their megabucks.
>you do this because what happens is that money invariably gets invested, new jobs and opportunities arise for everyone, and the quality of life for the lowest and middle classes becomes markedly improved.

I wonder who could be behind this post

I'm honestly OK with this. Not some bullshit 90% like Dems want meant to punish the rich, just a modest increase to do what taxes were meant to do: Fund the government and offset cuts elsewhere.

I'm sure people will flip their shit and this won't go through, though. We'll just cut taxes for everyone and deficits and the debt will continue to grow. Hardly anybody at the federal level cares about responsible and sustainable governance.

So you get to decide what is theirs now?

I want Stalinist Communism without blacks and Jews but still with Asians. This is not natsoc.

The wealthy know they had better pay more or risk having hordes of poor people flood their homes like teenage blacks flood malls

option A - keep most of your $$ and survive
option B - horde money like a psycho and face the wrath of millions of angry poor people

I would argue banks and financial institutions (and their insurers) over-leveraging themselves had a bigger role.

I agree it's an oversimplification but I think people who assume cutting rich people's taxes will magically grow the economy is an oversimplification.

>muh trickledown
>muh reaganomics
die. Seriously kys.

>Hardly anybody at the federal level cares about responsible and sustainable governance.

Daddy Bannon does
youtube.com/watch?v=0BSrJv0IpHY

It is a big deal because them changing their compensation to that means they will work harder to satisfy shareholders and increase price per share. Take for example stock ticket CYTR. Damn near a cure for cancer in FDA pipeline and the CEO is fucking screwing shareholders. We are sitting at .58 a share. Increase his holdings and force him to take options sooner and it'll be a different story. It still matters

Kill yourself

The CEO keeps diluting shares to raise money for his bonuses. Put his compensation more in shares and that behavior ends.

Ike did 90%
Ike made the highway that made America great.
Ike was against the Jewish advancements in creating a war economy for the USA

> the jews got to congressmen,and sentors with happy voters by partitioning all war machine per state.

>hurr durr regressive flat income tax is good!
jesus christ denmark i thought we americans were dumb

i dont really care if they get taxed or not, the bottom 50% need 0% taxes, that removes so much jewery by itself.

>unironically defending (((capitalism)))

Bannon is more conservative than every "I stand with Israel" cuckservative in government. I voted Trump and support him but I'd trade him for Bannon in a heartbeat.

>Ike did 90%
>mexican education