Why do some Americans refuse to admit that they lost the Vietnam war?

Why do some Americans refuse to admit that they lost the Vietnam war?

Are they delusional or just misinformed?

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They incinerated a SHITLOAD more chinks in their mudhuts than Americans died. That's worth something.

How many Vietnamese bombs ever fell on American soil? Protip: it's the same number as currently living princess Dianas

Not really. They completely failed to achieve their political objectives and they went home with their tail between their legs.

They say that it was not a war but an armed conflict when the definition of a war is an armed conflict, they're neocons just sucking America's dick

Completely irrelevant.

I consider incinerating communist chinks a win in any circumstance

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Operation Linebacker and Linebacker II kicked the enemy's teeth in and brought them to the negotiating table. At that point we left cause nobody wanted to be there and as soon as the NVA saw it was safe to resume operations they took over. It wasn't a loss it was "fuck it, promise not to be assholes when we leave and we will leave". Real talk, it was just the elites cashing out after making profits dicking around with operation rolling thunder.

We're an incredibly spiteful people when it comes to war.

That's because you're an idiot.

I can post edgy pics too.

Americans are so dumb they think they can fly :DDD

No objectives remained unaccomplished in the course of the war. In the aftermath, the democrats blocked supply shipments to the south vietnamese and that's why the south fell.

Not a war in the eyes of America if Congress does not declare war. Call it what you want but legally it was a overdrawn military operation that should have either been a war or never have happened.

and yet we're still there now..... using the Vietnamese's cause to justify picking on China. I don't think you know what "Go home" means.

no win condition was met so the ruling falls to whoever had the highest k:d ratio. and that was us

The kitty who playfights against the full grown dog thinks that he wins fight just because the dog gets distracted and stops playfighting

The whole point of the war was to prevent the spread of communism.

To this day, Vietnam is still a single party communist state.

The whole war was a complete failure and a waste of resources.

They left because their goal couldn't be achieved and the war was pointless to continue and frankly pointless in the first place.

You seem salty about needing us to bail you out in WWII. You live on such a silly little island, no wonder you're bitter.

seeThe goal COULD have been achieved but they just couldn't achieve it.

Are you implying with that terrible analogy that America "wasn't even trying"?

>SV overtaken by Socialist Republic
>Communist

I thought UK education was good? I guess that was back in the 90s

Shouldn't you be running from busses?

Well that's just rude...

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Literally the first line:

>Vietnam, a one-party Communist state, has one of south-east Asia's fastest-growing economies

It's acid attacks now m8. Get with the fucking program.

We had nukes at that time. If we wanted to completely destroy Vietnam we could have.

>over a million gooks killed
>now they make our sneakers for pennies on the dollar

Sounds like a win to me

Why do Brits and Leafs refuse to admit that they are the reason NATO lost the Afghanistan war?

It was a tie...yea a tie..

Because they barely did shit and act like they weren't even involved

Why are Americans so simple minded...

Again, the objective wasn't to destroy the company you imbecile. This isn't Cawadoody. It's not about K/D ratios. It's about achieveing your geopolitical objectives.

see above

> be me
> be on Asian gap travel year and land in Ho Chi Minh City. Buy shit bike because plan is to bike from HCM to Phenom Penh
> get caught in rainstorm and bike chain in two breaks because communists made it and its shitty.
> finally make way to small village where there is some form of civilization and manage to find someone willing to accept money for spare bike chain after communicating with hand gestures
> nice family takes me in for the night, feeds me, and has spot on floor that's dry I can sleep with my sleepingbag
> after dinner father of house gestures to offer up wife as prostitute for money. Decline because not a piece of shit
> family then offers up their children as prostitutes. Decline because not a pedo piece of shit
> United States greatest country in the world,
> Vietnam full of broke-ass chinks so desperate their offering up their own children as prostitutes.

You tell me who won the war Britfag...

Holy shit that's terrifying

Then blame the politicians instead of the soldiers

>situations that never occurred in reality

It was a war by proxy against Russia. I think you're a bit too focused on trying to push your narrative for the (you)'s.

Communism didn't spread as our "domino effect" scenario projected, which is a win for us and a loss for Russia.

However, South Vietnam was taken by North Vietnam, and in that sense it was a victory for Russia and a loss for us.

If anything, it was a stalemate.

Because it wasn't a war. We found out that having the biggest body count didnt win wars anymore because the 'ideas' don't die.

Not to mention, north vietnam used force against it's own people to win this war. My pop said they would destroy entire ammo depots and villages only finding out they were rebuilt within a week.

No war was ever declared by congress so idk how we lost something that didnt exist.

> Britfag lecturing American about winning wars...

Not only does no one care what you think "govna", but if you don't think that story is true (weird thing to make up), do you doubt it COULD be true? Vietnam is a fucking shithole with desperate people, humid as balls weather with giant ass rain storms, barely functioning roads, and just a shitty life. Vietnam "won" nothing.

Nigga 2nd MEB had to save you britbongs sorry asses in 2009 and Cucknada wouldn't even ceed their battle space until 2011, yall lost; Vietnam was like what 50 years ago?

If America lost the Vietnam war then they won the Revolutionary war.

>The place is shitty so they lost

I'm in your corner that OP is a massive faggot, but your logic is fucking retarded.

Not an argument

We didn't lose the war, the Jews did
>Viets keep US Jews out of their government by allying with the Soviets
>Viets are too small to give anything in return to the Soviets, so they just mooch off Soviet-Jew money for decades before adopting socialist policies when the Soviets collapse
>Viets invade Cambodia to kill Pol Pot, and get in a fight with the Chinese Jew
>Goyim all around the US hear about the time a group of filthy rice farmers defeated the most powerful military in history, and bring that war up whenever Democrats try to grab our guns

I'll admit we lost the Vietnam war once you admit you lost your ENTIRE EMPIRE and haven't won a war since WWII...

>massive armed conflict spanning nearly two decades and costing hundreds of billions of dollars
>it's not really a "war" though because some men in suits didn't officially call it one

I think I'm looking at it as simply as you can.

America had an objective for getting involved in the region. They completely failed to achieve that objective.

I don't know how you can call that anything but a total failure and a loss.

>it wasn't a loss we just refused to keep playing
quitting = losing ameritard

Like the British Empire after WWI

You are looking at it simply, which is why you are objectively wrong. It's not a simple matter.

sage thread

Doesn't matter if they're poor. They won the war. 'nuff said.

Falklands.

>Makes fun of US for losing war against millions of hardend insurgents fighting their own civil war 20 years before US even got involved, with nearly unlimited logistical support from USSR
>Couldn't defeat less than a million drunk/starving Irish after 400 years

Couldn't defeat us.

We brain drained their country and now they are productive member of our society. Hard to feel like a loser when i nut in my viet gfs puss every morning.

>Vietnam is a fucking shithole with desperate people
so is america, what's your point?

And nigga, I've had fire fights that lasted longer than the Falklands war did you seriously try to use that

You're right it's not a simple matter. However, if you look at what the objectives were when the American govt decided to intervene in Vietnam you'll quickly come to the conclusion that the main objectives were not achieved.

The country is still communist to this day.

How can you claim victory if you didn't achieve your primary objectives?

You're missing the point moron. It's about RELATIVE loss, as between US and Vietnam. US recovered virtually immediately after pulling out. Vietnam is STILL not recovered to this day. Put another way, the US losses relative to Vietnam's was less. It's only your types who think Vietnam became some sort of utopia after a generation of them were killed.

no one is making fun of you for losing they're making fun of you for refusing to admit you lost. you're a sensitive bunch

Vietnam cucks are highly mentally unstable

Look at it like this britbong.


Guy A and Guy B get into a fight. Guy A is on top of B, bashing their skull in. Guy A starts to notice his hand hurts, and leaves Guy B in the dirt in a pool of their own blood, Guy B is barely clinging to consciousness, but Guy A decided to stop before they broke their knuckles as the fight wasn't all that important anyway.


Now who won the fight? The guy laying on the ground surrounded by their own bodily fluids, spitting out their teeth, but still survived, or the guy who can still walk home and put an ice pack on their knuckles without an ambulance coming to scrape them off the pavement? It's not that complicated, we were winning but decided some gooks in the jungle weren't worth dying for... or do you disagree? Got a bit of the yellow fever across the pond?

Yeah, but it's also buddying up with America in preference to China (I guess there's that whole millennium of fighting off Chinese occupation behind that) and is opening up after realising the failure of marxism.

To lose a war you have to surrender or be completely wiped out, neither of which happened with us.

You're a fucking idiot if you think that. This is what anarchist fags think who don't know a damn thing about the real world. Try China, Russia, the Middle East, the hole continent of Africa. Take your fucking pick. Suggesting the yanks are in anywhere near bad shape as these places is insanity

It actually is relevant that a country that wasn't invaded nor suffered any sort of material loss to its civilians somehow lost because it got tired of killing gooks. It's like beating up a five year old. Are you saying that if you lose interest in beating that five year to death and he still lives, you actually lost the fight because you didn't really want to pay the price to get what you want.

>muh k/d ratio

This isn't CoD.

The yanks had an objective, they failed to achieve it. The viet cong achieved their objective.

How much more do I have to break it down for your maple syrup addled brain to process?

why do brits refuse to admit they lost WW2, to the USA?

better analogy
gut A tries to fuck guy b's gf. guy b beats the shit out of guy A until guy A fishhooks guy b's eye and he whines and gives up and goes home. leaving guy A with guy b's gf whose pussy he pounds mercilessly all night

who is the winner?

It's a hard pill to swallow fellow North American.

Left wing intellectual Noam Chomsky argues that the US succeeded in Vietnam.

They wrecked Vietnam for decades.

2 of your cities are in the top 50 most violent IN THE WORLD. That includes warzones. Vietnam doesn't even make that list. sorry but america is a shithole that's been running on fumes for about 30 years.

We didn't lose. We just took our ball and went home when we realized the war was fucking stupid.

I'm pretty sure the majority of Americans admit we lost the Vietnam war. Have heard MUCH more denial about Afghanistan, particularly from the great white north, eh?

>be British
>have the greatest navy in the world
>get BTFO by the german navy
>sell your Caribbean possessions to the USA
>get 100 obsolete destroyers in return

I'm literally laughing at your childish analogy.

You know this is an 18+ website right? Do your parents know you browse Sup Forums?

Fucking hell you guys are dumb.

War is not about "hurr durr beat the other guy up" you mongoloids.

The decision to get involved in an armed conflict is not one that a head of state would take lightly nor without a precise set of objectives.

We lost the Vietnam War because we finally let Leftists have their way in politics. Compared to all of the other shit that we've had to endure because of that one thing, the loss was a minor footnote.

America benefited the most out of the vietnam war.
>landed on the moon while fighting an unpopular war
>smuggled drugs
>killed 1million wannabe chinks
>deformed hundreds of thousands with agent orange
>open trade with china
>swarm the pacific with boat people
>btfo vietnam by trade embargo for 20 years

and vietnam is still trying to be friends after all we did to them

You bongs will never understand. War for us Americans isn't about destruction because we're in a nearly unassaible position geographically. It's more important for us to fight low intensity long conflicts so we can buy and sell weapons. You make more money doing that than you do trying to civilize the natives. That's why your empire failed and ours hasn't yet. Until somebody can either become more profitable at war or invade us, we're an unstoppable juggernaut. We weren't havent even been on a war footing since WW2. How exactly do you think we afford to have consumerism and militarism at the same time? It's sure as shit isnt because we invade vietnam and make it the 51st state. It's because we just bomb the fuck out of them with disposable and usually ineffective but expensive weaponry that sustains the tax farm of the state to serve the consumerists that sell the televisions.
Your failed empire tried to civilize darkie for spices. We genocide them from the sky for hot pockets. And we aren't even really trying yet.

>why are some brits in denial that their cucked country is no longer an empire and is literally an insignificant little spec of whiny tea-guzzlers compared to the US and other superpowers

>US Losses past 120 years: Vietnam
>British Losses past 120 years: WWI, WWII, Afghanistan 1, Afghanistan 2, Boer War 2, Libya, Ireland

True, it might be a hard pill to swallow. But of course, not all American history is good/righteous, and the Vietnam War is a perfect example of one of America's dark deeds.

Like the slaves, American soldiers in Vietnam treated the Vietnamese with prejudice and violence. We straight-up killed innocent Vietnam citizens-- women and children. We literally committed genocide on these guys. The way we made it look is basically we "pulled out" from the war and it settled, but of course America had stopped their war.

It's a shame really, Vietnam was, and still is a beautiful place. I don't doubt that America will get into another (all-out) war within the next couple of years (preferably with North Korea or finally wipe out those damn Muslims :))

Our empire will fail because we're allowing darkie to take over from within.

Well, their goal was to halt the advance of communism, which they did.

There are plenty of wars in history where the military front wins but the political front loses domestically.

Yes, buy if that's your criteria for military loss then your entire history is one

>It's not about K/D ratios. It's about achieveing your geopolitical objectives.
Guys war isn't about kicking the enemy's ass and if you kill your enemies they win

Sadly yes. The white mans greatest weakness is cheap labor.

What would you have us do?
Kill literally the entire population of Vietnam
The only reason America was even in the war was because the french army couldn't handle there own shit

>all this ad hominem

That's not the point burgers. You lost in Vietnam. That's what we're discussing here. Stay on topic.

Lol indeed, try being an empire 1 billion + people now a sad rainy island with a few million.
How does it feel to have lost every war ever UK?

>>Well, their goal was to halt the advance of communism, which they did.

communism took over all of Vietnam, how the fuck did they halt the advance of communism? you aren't going to twist this bullshit into how losing Vietnam to communists somehow contained communism on a global scale are you? if you are, citations please.

You can win a war while still sustaining far heavier casualties that your opponent you faggot.

Look at Russia in WW2.

>how does it feel to have accomplished more than any other country in the history of the human race

Pretty good yank. Pretty good. Maybe one day you'll catch up.

Because those Communist Vietnamese invaded the Communist Cambodia to overthrow their government before getting in a war with the Communist Chinese.

things wouldnt be nearly as bad as they are today if it wasnt for the fucking hippies and their free love movement bullshit normalizing miscegenation.
vietnam was nothing more than a massive social engineering ploy to undermine the key values of america.
a generation of young men shipped off to a drug filled hell hole then denied by their homeland had a devestating impact on society as a whole.

Vietnamese are founders of guerilla warfare. China, Japan, France, America and allies, all crushed, elephants didn't do shit when that was a major war weapon back then. Gotta give credit where it's due.

You can't read can you? I just explained that victory for us is money not whatever idiological objective you think we failed to achieve. How many other countries increase their GDP during a war? America always does.

I swear to god this is top gear deleted scenes

Ha, whatever man, believe whatever you want to. And since we're just gonna fling shit like fucking chimps instead of having an actual discussion...Your country is irrelevant, cucked and castrated. Your women are being raped and your men do nothing to stop it. Why don't you go make your self a nice cuppa tea, that way you're nice and docile watching Jamal and Muhammad run a train on your wife, maybe they'll even let you get some milk for the tea from her sloppy cunt when their done. You're pathetic and so is your whole island, you disgust me, and I'm almost ashamed we share some ancestors, but then again that was when the UK was GREAT Britain, not this hollow weak shell of a nation filled with pussies. We should've let Germany take you, maybe then you'd actually have a pair of balls. Maybe.

This is true

On a strategic level the US lost the war.

On a tactical level they wont almost every engagement, with the exception of a select few.

You can win every battle and still lose a war.

Argentina actually won the Falklands.

What do you mean?

Argentina actually won the war that was shorter than my firefight