Is USA or Russia more evil?

Is USA or Russia more evil?

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Can you stop posting your gay porn here?

torturing arabs should not be considered as evil. Check them out now. They are monkeys. They cannot live by themselfes. Just look at Iran etc and what they became in the last 30 years. Check out ISIS and all the other inbred goatfuckers.

Neither, they are both doing what they perceive is right for there citizens. I think Russia has a bass ackwards way of doing it but at least they are not letting Muslims ruin there country.

>but at least they are not letting muslims ruin their country
Are you retarded?

What am I looking at here?

Super Sexy Muslim time

humiliation.

Define evil.

Why do you care ?
you can't win even with NEET on internet called " MODS "

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse#

how old are you?
I want to get an idea of the average poster these days. I mean to not recognize those, you must have been like, under 10 or not even born during 9/11

25 and first time seeing this type of torture
I don't look this shit up

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humiliation and stress positions

Sweet Jesus
I don't believe in Torture, they should just execute them instead.

No one is good or evil
Only the strong.

russia is 1000x worst than USA
Fucking russian kurwy

Good and bad are entirely subjective.

Fucking Russian rape baby!

>why dont you treat our enemies better?

kek

Obviously the JewSA.

No one's is as evil as that damn Lincoln and the northern aggressors I do declare!!

Americans doing what they do best.

>REEEEE

Russians are fucking bastards, but their imperial ambitions are far less destructive and chaotic than the American ones.

Russians are fine as long as you don't let them have their way completely, whereas Americans will force it anyway.

Americans are rapist, degenerate fucks. Hated by most of the world. Russia hasn't gotten to that point yet.

Russia is better ally than US in most cases, so I am going with US is more evil

>Russia hasn't gotten to that point yet.
>what is communism

But yeh, communism was less intrusive and evil than american imperialism, it just had less success/money, so you couldn't close your eyes to it.

In the end both are cancer and this is one of the worst imperial divides of all human history. Maybe because kikes run both sides.

US ofc

USA is more evil as a state, Russians are more evil as people - culturally and historically so.

USA/Israel funded ISIS in Syria until Trump stopped it. Generals said it was strategically advantageous to let ISIS "fester", meaning to let them take slaves, rape, murder, oppress people under the worst kind of religious law.

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Hey-hey daddy-o! What's cookin!

We should have left you as turks' bitches that you are.

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They're equally evil, but the USA has better PR and is not hell-bent on destroying Europe so I'll take a burger over Ivan any day

There's no such thing as evil, but there's the objective quality of USA being far less damaging to the world's future prospects than Russia.

Ironic seeing USA is the country responsible to most damage to the world since WW2. Neither Russia or China has similar magalomanic and genocidic ambitions.

USA is literally every single bad thing it claims to fight against, and it doubles up by intentionally making all of its citizens believe they are good people when really they support bloodthirsty, imperialistic warmongerers. When USA eventually falls and the world turns on it, it will be a gigantic step towards a peaceful civilization

Nice meme

the question is, would other countries, given global hegemony, behave better or worse. everyone is well behaved when they have no power.

it is unknowable.

>Ignoring, for one example, the 1.5 million Afghans genocided by the USSR in Afghanistan during the 1980s invasion...

american freedom son!

People who make the decisions don't care about right or wrong from either side.
In my opinion even soviet commishits didn't harm the world as much as (((Hollywood))) propaganda alone did.

No contest. Russia murdered its own citizens by the multiple millions and used a system of labor camps for decades to bring them all into line. The USA is a shining light on a hill, warts (CIA, NSA, military-industrial complex) and all. There is such a thing as a dumb question. Yours is one of them. kys

Iranians are not arabs you uneducated cunt

Israel

Actually, it IS knowable. When Russia thought it was dominant and was at the height of its power, it was openly communist and attempted to force the rest of the world into communism.
When the US was dominant it brought democracies to the shitty dictatorships. For personal gain, sure, but it was a lesser evil than communism.

China and Russia are fundamentaly different from US. US always was expansionist and trying to establish itself worldwide, meanwhile Russian politics is its Geography - its already biggest country in the world and all it cares about is securing its borders and presence. Current Russia doesnt have big grudges to settle with anyone (except US trying actively to destabilize and sabotage it on its territory and surrounding)

China culturally is introvert, litterally a "middle kingdom" so essentially enclosed (despite world trade) entity. With China however there are some regional grudges that can lead to conflicts, as well possible future competition with US and others for resources in Africa and elsewhere - which can lead to proxy or direct conflicts.

As far Russia goes, the only region with resources Russia aims at is Arctic - everything else Russia has more than anyone anyway.

If US didnt try to destroy UN so much for so many years, there woudnt be need for "world hegemon" you describe. There is zero benefits from having one, in this case US - it only exploits its position.

Recognizing hostile US that cant be negotiated with really, Russia officially strives for Multipolar world with bigger number of active actors - EU, China, Russia, Brazil, india, South Africa etc.

There is litterally no big conflicts atm where US in one or another way didnt had it fingers in. Last two conflicts Russia was involved with are both staged by US - with georgian coup and then supporting them to enable them aggressive war, and Ukrainian coup: where Russia said fuck it, enouth is enouth. Arab situation o nother hand is past fixing now, and eventually will lead to big war there, even if all foreigna ctors will withdraw now.

Frankly speaking, i dont see any ambitious power that would really want to excert itself in foreign affairs as US does. US depends very much on world trade, dollar currency and oil so has to estblish their presence - others not so much.

Why not 15 million? Remind me who was it that created and supported Mujahedeen (and in consequence Al Quaida and ISIS now)?

never and I mean NEVER trust the eternal Russian
they are Americas top enemy and the premier terrorist state in Europe
they have plans to Annex Alaska already in the works
now that their puppet Trump is on office. You can expect America to bend over backwards for them

Why are their ass cracks censored?

Both

you're using historical behavior of regional powers to try and predict their behavior if they were given global power, or an opportunity to obtain global power. I don't believe this extrapolation is fair.

I don't think the Russian Federation has behaved poorly on the world stage, but the USSR certainly used the exact same tactics the US did in South America. China in the modern this day makes plays in Africa, South America, as you acknowledge. China is not nearly as defensible as the RU federation.

USA is spreading degeneracy to the world since WWII while Russia doesn't do anything that could damage Europe
zabij się

Children are pure, keep them away from here.

Russia and their terrorist war criminal leader Putin are the #1 threat to the security of white countries
the only moral decision on the fate of Russia is FIRST STRIKE NOW

Modern art

>USA is spreading degeneracy to the world since WWII
Sure, but...

>Russia doesn't do anything that could damage Europe
top kek

The US degeneracy doesn't even skim the surface of Russia.

Don't know, don't care, only thing I know is that USA could bitchslap any country harder and faster than russia ever could.

This pic alone will keep the Jihad alive.

America is the good guy, America can never be the bad guy, despite all the horror they've caused, untold thousands dead, millions displaced, governments overhrown, etc. America can never be the bad guy, because all of us feel a patriotism with America, whether we admit it or not. This is due to years of watching American films, a slow indoctrination.

Just imagine if any other country were to do the same as America is doing today? Would they get away with it?

The better question is who is more retarded? I think it might be a draw.
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>Just imagine if any other country were to do the same as America is doing today
Like Russia and China?
>Would they get away with it?
They already did.

Suck chechen dick
Not allow to ruin

t. Russian

Russia
>Invade sovereign country Ukraine
>prop up the genocidal regime of Bashar Al Assad
>fund radical right wing Nazi movements throughout Europe and USA
>Pariah state for their regressive stances on LGBT rights
USA
>protects freedom across the world
>attempts to ensures peace and democratic elections in many of the most poor troubled countries
>looked at by the world as a shining example of all that is good and righteous


golly gee, I wonder who the bad guys are

Not on the scale US has done. You can draw a line and sum up all the casualties, people displaced or economic damage caused if you want. This list does not even include covert warfare.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

>citizens

American government does not give a shit about citizens. They protect the interests of the oligarchs.

A lesser evil is an evil nonetheless.
>sum up all the casualties, people displaced
Stop trying to make this into cold statistics. The greater evil does not invalidate the lesser one.

While good and evil are difficult to quantify and assign to national entities, making the implication that the USA is worse because of Abu Ghraib is pretty misguided. Read even a tiny bit about Russia's operations in Chechnya in the late 90s/early 00s. Not only were the crimes significantly worse in both scale and severity, but they were done as the sanctioned policy of the Russian state.

>inb4 terrorists
Go bomb some more of your own apartment blocks, Putin.

You're right, it doesn't. But aleast I can see Russian (or Chinese) actions as somewhat justifiable (though I don't think China has any valid claim on the south China sea). You can't justify countless American 'interventions' in the middle east.

But I think my point is, we see America as not evil, because we're indoctrinated to empathise with them.

Go demolish some more towers, Bush.

>that literally random names and other bullshit on the map

you have no idea how funny that shit is

>You can't justify countless American 'interventions' in the middle east
An American could, just like you can justify the Russian ones. It all comes down to prespectives in the end.

tfw you know you will visit free Nikolayburg

That statement is 100% about Putin, his Jewish relatives and Gazprom oligarchs.

dam burgers are sick

steal all of the land that you want
the real joke is on Russia
becoming 16 timezones wide will never compensate for your peoples lack of humanity

They are prisoners, so who gives a shit.

Democracy according to Americans.

I think there's quite a difference when you are fighting a war under the premise of protecting your ethnic population, even if it's not the real reason, it has some objective weight to it (talking about Russia in Ukraine). Repatriation of ethnic Russians in Ukraine would be in the interest of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

Americans fighting wars in the middle east under the premise of spreading democracy and removing WMDs is complete bullshit, not even remotely justifiable. How does this benefit an American citizen?

And I have no dog in this fight, I'm not Russian and from my experience Russians are quite the assholes (I work in tourism). I'm trying to be objective.

Oh yeah? How about that time Russia used thermobaric weapons (think MOAB) against little school children during the 2004 Beslan siege?

Maybe you don't remember, it was covered up by your authoritarian government

This is true too, but it's true for America as well.

Russia is evil.
Usa is mostly gay, pics prove.

>OP
>Which one is real: Easter Bunny or Santa Claus?

I feel sorry for the doggo but I suppose after biting a mudslime it can always lick it's own arse to take the taste away.

Define evil. Torturing terrorists on scale of evil, in my definition, is about more or less as evil as jaywalking and littering. Probably a little less, because tortured shitskin doesn't really affect my daily life as much as trash on the streets.

The US is probably the most evil nation in history.

Both , why the fuck not ?

>How does this benefit an American citizen?
By propping up the state that supports them. Without oil wars America would die. They will never end.
The middle east will remain a warzone as long as they have oil. This is the very reason Russia went to war in Syria too.

Similar

US likes to fuck around in the desert and Africa

Russia likes to fuck around near to itself and in specific desert areas (but not the whole lot)

The one that was called evil by THE FUCKING BIBLE

Both evil, almost all countries are evil, maybe except scandinavia

You're worse jewish scum, don't deserve to live

kek

hurrdurr

Russia is literally the last force of Good in this world.

Their elites may be corrupted or whatever (live pretty much all elites in human history) but at least they are not pedophiles and satanists and warmongers.

And the ordinary Russians are on average much more humane and intelligent than the Americans, who are largely a nation of retards and psychopaths.

USA is the Empire of Evil.

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