This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote property rights, individual liberty and lassez-faire capitalism. These includes (but is not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, objectivism and anti-leftism (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us.
Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values.
Although questions are welcome, many are repeated often, so it is recommended you research the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to debate with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios.
THREAD RESOURCES:
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>Website: libertarianright.org
>Discord & Book Club: /jCVRCR3
REQUIRED READING:
>The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated Summary (David Friedman) - youtube.com
>Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org
>Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - riosmauricio.com
FURTHER READING:
>Reference - See i.imgur.com
>Torrent - magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8d8ec6ef882dee291f119eb69994797574e5d616&dn=Anarcho-Capitalism%20Books
THREAD THEME:
>hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ
>Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com
>I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o
>Drop it like it's Hoppe - youtube.com
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What are we gonna do about the (((left libertarian))) libertine problem? I can't stand to see AnCap and Snekposters who spew open borders and degenerate trash. Those crypto leftists need to be removed!
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BUMP. praise the constitution, bill of rights. praise personal responsibility. praise natural selection. praise "survival of the fittest". praise a free and independent population that will always be stronger than those cucked by big government!
praise the small government loving, libertarian geographic middle of the united states, AKA the least cucked place on planet earth, where naggerz are hated, white people are loved, welfare state is disparaged, and guns are toted. these are the people who elected trump, last potential savior of western society and the white race. where even the women hate minorities and know that they belong in kitchens. they are good women!
nazifags don't understand that relying on big government to enforce "muh values" only makes entire populations of citizens unable to make their own decisions in life and ultimately unable to be anything but "degenerate". this is why europe sucks and america is awesome!
God bless America. We are the only ones who can save this sinking ship.
so funny how all of these nazis say "libertarianism will lead to degeneracy" but yet the only place on the planet where libertarianism genuinely thrived was in the middle and south of the US, where people pushed west on a frontier and lived on ranges, far detached from the governments control, left to their own devices, to do whatever the fuck they wanted to do and to SURVIVE in that harsh environment.
and now today we have the southern and middle of the US AKA "LEAST DEGENERATE PLACE ON THE PLANET" where they don't like homos, blacks, joos or even fuckin' eskimos.
fuckin' Sup Forumsnazi's BTFO eternally
State enforced "morality" is pure degeneracy. Maybe someday soon I will be able to join you in the South dixiebro. American Nationalism is libertarianism.
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Don't knock them too much for it.
If their idea of libertarianism comes from the U.S. Libertarian Party, I can't blame them.
Though if they haven't looked up Invictus by now, they're missing out on a lot.
the answer is patently right there in front of all of their faces. "we need government to enforce morality" "we need government to enforce values" they say. but yet the only place on earth where the values they want exist in any meaningful majority is in the south where state government has always been small or nonexistent.
contrast with europe, where big government has ALWAYS existed and where the population is too stupid and cucked and helpless today to even stand up and defend itself from demographic genocide (we have the same problem in the states too, but in the north and in coastal urban centers only, because those states / areas historically had big government and now the people who live there are cucked, helpless and hopeless)
founding fathers understood this problem, that's WHY they built the electoral college, which worked exactly as it was designed to work in this most recent election, and literally was directly responsible for Trump winning
Sup Forumsnazifags are just weak people looking to exert control over others. they can't do it so they cry to the government to do it. it makes them feel big. SAME EXACT MENTALITY AS ALL SJW'S. WEAK PEOPLE want to control you and they want to use THE GOVERNMENT to do it because they are too weak and IMPOTENT to do it on their own.
STRONG PEOPLE want to be left the fuck alone and they want to leave you the fuck alone too, thus libertarianism
the libertarian right is the only way if you want humanity to have any sort of future
Augustus Invictus is a faggot honestly. I don't mind having fascists in the libertarian party because we have common goals for now (in fact I welcome them), but I ask that they please at least be non-degenerate and semi-educated about ancapism.
Yeah, he used to be pretty degenerate. He likes Hoppe, though - that's certainly a good sign.
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>STRONG PEOPLE want to be left the fuck alone and they want to leave you the fuck alone too, thus libertarianism
this is actually the REASON why the american south is so libertarian and uncucked today.
it was the strongest and boldest people that moved west, facing untold and unknown dangers. dealing with savage natives. living apart from any sort of centralized civilization. shit, ever play "oregon trail"? that should tell you all you need to know about what frontiersmen and settlers were doing.
they got where they were going and most of them died. the others fucked. the ones that lived were so strong and independent they never bothered to run and cry to government to solve their problems for them.
they said "give me liberty or give me death" and if the government tried to come for their guns they could "pry it from their cold dead hand".
that's why this mentality and strength and resilience to joo programming and NWO crap exists in the american south and midwest today.
it's NOT because of authoritarianism. all of the authoritarian places today are KEKED, especially GERMANY (after all, hitler literally killed all of the free thinkers and individuals, so they didn't even get to breed. germany is now a society of drones that were too stupid to think for themselves. thus angela merkel and ultra-leftism / whatever the NWO tells them to believe they believe). it's because of LIBERTARIANISM. LIBERTARIANISM is what makes humans strong and NON DEGENERATE
Libertarian death squads when?
>all of the authoritarian places today are KEKED
KEKED not KEKED. weird typo
wtf is this shit can't type (CU CKE D) now on here without it autocorrecting to KEKED?
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>Libertarian death squads when?
Now. Also nice Andy, haven't seen him in a while.
where were YOU the day "CU CKED" got banned from Sup Forums??
Not in caps cuck.
Voluntary bump
Testing KEKED
It's been like that for years desu senpai
>this whole thread
You Libertarians just need a little push and then you will become redpilled. Democracy was a mistake.
>being this fucking new
>A literal faggot.
Duh, democracy is the God that failed.
>Democracy was a mistake.
Right-wing libertarians already agree with that
You need to read hoppe. We know
i've been here for a long time man never noticed it until just now though. that's shitty lol, why the fuck would you be not able to type cucked in caps on Sup Forums? it's like one of the most important words for this board
>clinging to a cucked ideology because you're scared of being called a fascist or natsoc
>implying we're not redpilled
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The problems with libertarianism start when you try to implement it outside of a frontier/rural situation. Show me one example of a truly libertarian city that didn't go to shit.
Somalia
So if you already know that then how do you think Libertarianism is ever going to come to power?
Physically remove leftists
Oh fuck off, I'm 200% more edgy than you. I'm not afraid, you're
Ideology is just leftism for whites only. I love my white people, so I don't want to enslave them to socialism, cuck.
>Inb4 it's volkish socialism
Fuck off faggot.
this is nonsense there are large cities and urban population centers in the south functioning under the same state governments as the rural areas.
but lots of things go to shit with libertarianism, that's the point. the weak and degenerate dies off, the strong survives and builds a brighter, more independent future.
whereas with nazism the strong and independent are literally murdered off by secret police, while the weak and most meek and mentally / psychologically cucked are rewarded by teh state and allowed to breed.
then a couple generations later you wonder why your population is so degenerate and can't stand up for itself. it's because their natural selection didn't dictate that they need to. this is the poison of authoritarianism and the logical flaw with trying to use government and "fascism" to enforce "values"
>being this much of a bluepilled newfag
>I'm edgier than you
Top cringe faggot.
This is why you people get laughed at. I know for a fact you know absolutely nothing in regards to National Socialism.
>Wanting a cosmopolitan society
Fag
Somalia is a collapse socialist state retard.
"Order was only restored in L.A... when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks." - Dr. Ron Paul
Day of the removal.
>implying libertarians aren't redpilled on democracy
Monarchism is the closest thing to natural order that has been achieved in recent history.
You keep saying that and yet the country is tipping towards whites being a minority. Minorities are going to crush you libertarian morons using democracy. It doesn't matter how strong you are as an individual when 50 minorities destroy you using their vote.
you gotta understand that people evolved a visceral dislike for gays and homosexuality, or a deep instinct to stay with and protect their family through natural selection and harsh environments that weeded out those who didn't have those drives.
"nature" and a total lack of government is what killed degeneracy.
then you have the government come in and start telling people "we'regoing to tell you how to behave and we're going to manually weed out the degenerate", well, you aren't weeding out the degenerate, you're just weeding out the people who don't do what they're told. which means in a few generations you're just left with people who WILL do what they're told. they're still degenerate. they don't have the instinct of "i am going to stay with my family and protect them because i feel it deep in my soul". they have the instinct of "i am going to stay with my family and protect them because it is what my government told me to do".
so you have a population of degenerates acting non-degenerate because their masters tell them to. AND when the political winds change (like in germany) they change right with them. when angela merkel tells them to be degenerate now, they say "ok, time to be degenerate, hurrr durrrr, let me get my techno music on and take some muslim dick up my ass"
that's what your philosophy results in
There is also a pic of him diddling himself nude on his bed. I'm shocked you didnt use that Cantwell pic.
It's called a joke you fucking mutt.
>reddit spacing
>muh natzees
You're really transparent.
Somalia is a great example of why states shouldn't exist. Warlords are statists and just look how much war they cause. A libertarian utopia is one where you've built up a critical mass of people who voluntarily respect property rights.
Anyway thanks for the laugh.
Nice pic
So why don't you guys just take off your masks and become fascists?
no we have different geographical factors than europe. we have a massive landborder with a race of mudpeople (because we aren't an indigenous popultion, remember?) europeans don't have that problem. so when globalism and the UN started pushing their joo agenda, unfortunately the US demographics were a very easy first target for them (just quietly let them sneak in through the borders).
and the other issue is that the way our government is set up (which is actually a good thing overall) is that states have a lot of power to decide government. so you have a lot of big government states, especially in the north and by the coast, where you basically have the same problem that you have in europe (people cucked by big government and can't protect themselves).
that's why when i talk about this i talk about the south, which isn't that way at all. the american south and midwest is just people who want closed borders, white ethnostates, traditional values, ect ect ect.
it's really taking an intentional tunnel vision and distorting everythign to say "well demographic crisis in the US right now, therefore the US is cucked and libertarianism in the south is meaningless".
i mean the american south and midwest basically proves Sup Forumss entire nazi point is 100% false
Democracy is incompatible with property rights, faggot.
Shut the fuck up you mongoloid shit, you know nothing of libertarianism. Fuck you think we're Democrats. Fuck you, lurk more degenerate.
Because state coercion is the source of all degeneracy and leftism.
Fascism has a lot going for it, but it's too authoritarian
I am a Nationalist but not a Fascist
Cantwell's compound.
In addition to being correct about economics, we don't have any negative associations.
We need your numbers and fanaticism, but you need our public image.
Maybe we can come to a "two-state" solution.
Our goals align perfectly for now so who cares.
Your entire ideology is a joke.
Fascism as an end in itself has ended as all governments do - with dysgenic effects on the populace.
>Jewish containment island
>not shipping the Jews out to Bouvet Island
at the end of the day, Sup Forums is a pretty intelligent place, but when it comes to Sup Forumsnazis, they won't use reason. they won't use logic. they will shut out all of the facts and logic that proves their entire point of view wrong. why? because they're the same as SJWs. they're weak people who believe what they believe because they want to control others. being weak people, can't even go out into the world and be ASSHOLES the way most psychopaths do, so the have to sit on the computer and lobby the government to control people for them. it gives them a high. it makes them feel powerful. self-righteous. superior. and somewhere between the mountain dew and the chicken tendies, they find the closest thing to inner peace they have ever known. they find genuine joy, self-confidence and pride in controlling others.
but then libertarians come along, who are inherently stronger, more intelligent, better looking, and say like "no nazi's and SJWs, you're all wrong, here are the facts. we aren't fooled by your tricks and you can't tell us what to do" and what is the response? a whole lot of "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"!
Good luck getting your trucks and guns without cities.
Listen you dumbshit, hierarchies become necessary due to higher populations, not in spite of it. Once women and other leeches show up you need law and order to be maintained through force.
The way your government is setup can be changed. When minorities rule the country they can vote to change the country to
anything they want. You're "free" for now.
It's really not, everything you currently do you probably would still be allowed to do. As long as you're not a traitor or a degenerate you would be fine.
You're right and leftists are aware of that. Not playing the "game" won't work though.
Why can't we just get along?
>leeches
Nah, you either produce or get out.
>women
White sharia. Only white male fathers who own land can vote.
How do you explain savagery, piracy, and banditry? Stateless degeneracy was a huge problem for most of the earth's history.
Oh we're playing the game alright, and in the states we're winning. Europe is being devoured by the EUSSR and you fags do nothing about it.
Here's some book dumps I made a while ago on another chan:
>piracy
Property crime. If the government didn't immediately hire everyone capable of firing a cannon who hasn't already joined the pirates, you'd see a lot fewer pirates.
Explain race riots, you retard. Two folks in Minnesota got themselves memed after having to fire at BLM chimps trying to attack them. In ANCAPISTAN, there wouldn't be police brutality protests as no nigger would ever risk getting doused with so many water cannons he'd drown.
We are getting along. We will also probably be fighting alongside each other 30 years from now.
White sharia will never happen as women control the vote.
Scum who would be genetically erradicated by now if it weren't for the invention of central statism.
>Listen you dumbshit, hierarchies become necessary due to higher populations, not in spite of it.
basically just stating "no i'm right and ur a dummy" in face of clear examples that you are not. this is called believing what you believe because you WANT to believe it and not because it's actually true. this is called "feelz over thinkz"
>Once women and other leeches show up you need law and order to be maintained through force.
literally implying what? that women didn't settle the frontier? ok, shows what you know of american history.
The way your government is setup can be changed. When minorities rule the country they can vote to change the country to
anything they want. You're "free" for now.
the way any government is set up can be changed. like i'm sorry, are you trying to suggest that dictatorship has a good record of creating stable governments?
you do realize that your boyfriend hitler would have died eventually, right? (gasp, he was not immortal!). you do realize that anyone could have gotten into his position after, right? and that subversive can just as easily infiltrate dictatorships as they can democracies (in fact, in many ways it's even easier).
you're using bad logic. you're taking something that any form of government is susceptible to, inherently, and trying to peg it squarely on democracy.
democracies and dictatorships both rise and fall. there's no such thing as a society that has endured throughout history as a constant. not a single one. i don't need to continue to dignify this idiotic argument you try to make
>either produce or get out
They do "get out" and they form gangs of outlaws. The libertarian frontier ended partly due to this. It's also a reason why libertarianism never took off in Europe, they know what happens when you run out of room to banish people.
>white sharia
Inherently statist
Nice Redd*t post
>implying men don't enforce the vote's effects
I thought fascists didn't have illusions on what really runs the government machine.
Protip: it's force.
Haha you really believe that huh? The whole reason the welfare state was invented in the first place was to keep the lumpenproles from burning civilization down.
oh and i forgot to mention the biggest issue with dicatorships, when "dear strong leader" goes insane and checks out, but the entire nation is still at his mercy! yeah, that's another great situation.
we all know EVERY FORM OF GOVERNMENT is inherently imperfect but lets not be fucking retarded enough to suggest that "dictatorship" is the least imperfect of all of them
They form gangs of outlaws? Then it's open season, and gives libertarian communities a reason to operate in a militarised fashion, selectively breeding stronger individuals.
If they can't be reasoned with and refuse to exist peacefully, then it's time to use McNukes.
>Nice Redd*t post
"nom nom nom nom muh chicken tendies.........man......these fuckin' plebbbit plebs. how are they stupid. they don't know the glory of der furher. fuckin' plebbbit, nom nom nom nom nom nom nom mountain doo and chikcen tendies are the real redpilled food"
None of the things you mentioned is unambiguously stateless. In fact, the worst group of bandits in the history of mankind, the Golden Horde, was a state. The French Revolution, a defining upsurge of savagery in an otherwise extremely cultured nation, was a statist uprising. Piracy was often explicitly state-sponsored. The Gulags, concentration camps (inb4 muh 6 gorillion - it wasn't just kikes you retard), artificially induced famines, these things have no "stateless" equivalent.
I'll spare you the nuances of tribalism and anarchocapitalism now. Please don't make me regret that.
>feelz over think
Your entire post was an ad-hominem against a hypothetical straw-manned natsoc
>women didn't settle the frontier
Their numbers were hilariously low until the West became more settled and started needing a more complex government. The only women out west in the early days were hookers.
If you Had ro recommend me one libertarian book what would it be? Im currently Not sure of Im natsoc (don't like eugenics eg), centrist etc. But i am highly in favor of personal freedom (guns etc.) Any help is aprreciated.
Not all fascists like Hitler or Nazis I don't why you keep suggesting that throughout this entire thread. I'm not saying the subversive can't use dictatorships either. All I am looking at is the fact that 1. white are becoming a minority in the US 2. Every group of people besides whites vote for leftists. 3. When these groups of people hold the voting power bad things can happen to us. This is why I am a fascist as I believe democracy must be superseded and we must change course before it is too late.
I'm aware of that I thought ancaps didn't use force though.
Yeah, no. You have no historical record to show for. There were classes that were actually oppressed all throughout history and a lot of them didn't chimp out. It wasn't until living standards improved that we saw the Great European Chimpout, also known as the French Revolution.
Ancaps do use force. We just don't start shit.
>Your entire post was an ad-hominem against a hypothetical straw-manned natsoc
what post are you talking about? this post?
clearly no
>Their numbers were hilariously low until the West became more settled and started needing a more complex government. The only women out west in the early days were hookers.
literally historically inaccurate information you just made up off the top of your head because you don't want to admit you're wrong
Men will just refuse to use force to enforce women's whims, and actually dominate their partners, impregnate them, and keep them pregnant until they can no longer afford to have more children and care for them at the same time. Women (and minorities, to an extent) get uppity just because white men refuse to be alpha. In a small frontier community, women will depend on their husbands (or fathers, if they're too young) and older sons to defend them, thus the men get to have their way. The men pursue their interests in such a way that they can coexist together within the community. If a man feels that the group no longer represents his own interests and this disadvantage is not outweighed by the benefits of belonging in the group, he takes his property and family and leaves to find a better place to live.
In a welfare state, the women are married to the government and thus they are uppity towards the men of the society.
great you want to supersede democracy, you must love the UN then right? because they're all unelected. no democracy there. oh wait, you DONT love the UN? because they're implementing policies you don't like? well. i guess now you see the problem with unelected officials, DONT YOU! it's nice when you create an idealized image in your mind of a "strong dictator" who thinks and does exactly what you think he should, but when unelected officials ACTUALLY exist in real life they aren't always so pretty.
thanks, i'm glad we could end this conversation in a well reasoned and rational way.
Probably The Law by Fréderic Bastiat.
Short and to the point, and full of refutations of old-school statism and early socialism.
He was technically still a classical liberal, but it's close enough.
Also read anything by Hoppe - don't be afraid to start with shorter works.
also i am from america, but last i check the EU (which i'm guessing you're not too fond of) is mostly, or at least largely unelected too, am i correct?
Good luck with that philosophy. Private Paramilitaries vs huge gangs of desperate bandits are more evenly matched than you think.
Banditry and Piracy can be financed by a state or backed by a state but always see their biggest upsurges in regions and times where state authority weakens or collapses. The worst pirates of the Caribbean were outlaws, not privateers. Modern pirates almost exclusively come from failed states.
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>darkest areas are 20+% male majority.
libertaryanism
literally all this shows is that females were in excess in most of the south, in many of the recently settled lands, in certain parts of the frontier, and "over 20%"(we don't know how high over 20%) in the majority of the frontier.
so.....you went through all of the trouble to find this map (thanks, i'm saving it for sure) but all it does is prove you wrong and prove me right. fucking nazi/pol/acks