Redpill me on Unions

>I make over 100K a year.
>$129 union fee per month pays dental, medical, and full pension.
>people fight for my job to protect me.
>I'm given the tools and trained since day 1 to be a productive member of society
>company that employs me is a Fortune 500 company and makes record profits regardless of our pay.
What's the big deal? Am I missing something? This keeps me way above the poverty line and I am able to have my white wife stay at home and properly take care of the kids instead of dropping them off at some spic day care with Gloria.

educate youurself
also there is nothing wrong with scabs either

Unions protect lazy worker. There is literally no point to unions in our current modern culture.

Unions are fine if they do not impede productivity. The only unions I personally deal with give idiot construction workers 10 paid smoke breaks a day and charge fees to do literally nothing.

It's a public company. Major tech union. Everything is pretty fair. Not sure how anyone can bag on a union without having worked in one.

unions are a double edge

on one hand, they protect great workers like you. On the other hand, they protect lemons too. Lemons that create chinks and gaps in productivity.

If it is able to regulate itself and punish bad workers, it's ok. Otherwise you're gonna find yourself ending up with an American educational system.

So what is your "job"?

Because despite how much money you make, every single experience I've ever had with union idiots is how lazy, untalented, stupid, and useless they are.

I did the work of two journeymen electricians as a $13 an hour intern, AND I did it better, AND I did it without a spoiled, bratty attitude. Laying unistrut is so braindead anyone can do it.

You're so fucking useless you have to beg someone to argue against your bosses FOR you. AND you pay them. How weak are you?

Companies have the right to clear house and hire non union at the end of the contract. That's what people forget.

I am an HVAC mechanic. I have been doing it since 2006 right out of high school.

Nothing, only Marxists hate unions.

I don't have to beg. It's just a perk gay user. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Unions promote mediocrity. They are useless and unnecessary-it ain't the 1950's anymore.

I had a co-worker who used to work in a union shop. He got in trouble for finishing his work early and went looking for something to do in another department and was chewed out by his superior who told him "that's not your fucking job, go home"

They are necessary. The organization of the masses of workers is necessary. If this organization isn't there then the power-balance between the worker and management is skewed in favour of the big-wigs who then inevitably abuse their power in the name of profit/greed.
Unions can cause problems as well, but the bottom line is that they are necessary. Same way, police in a society is unfortunately necessary.

As someone from a land of unions.. the US has an especially raw deal. Yours have been literally in bed with the mafia for a reason, it's easy to exploit people when they think you're doing good.

Unions are vast in Sweden and you're virtually required to be in one. I'm not, but I'm still covered by the negotiations the union does with the company (a large private company). That's the extent of their influence - even the people outside the union are impacted.

It's undeniable that they've done good for people, primarily up until around the 70s. At that point you start seeing professional unionists and politicians taking over. For a very long time they have been more concerned with centralizing their power than actually doing something about working conditions. They pride themselves on all wage increases even though it barely keeps up with inflation.

I think the fundamental problem isn't unions or politicians, but that we've been safe and stable so long that power and money have concentrated and congealed in massive inefficient structures of parasites. Remember that before 1960 about there was no political class. You came from somewhere. You had another job. Now they're all careerists looking out for themselves and the ideal is a cushy deal with the companies they do the bidding off after they finish in politics.

>he's so retarded he can't even agree on how much he's willing to work for or know how much his family needs to live comfortably and needs someone else to negotiate for him
>he can't even get a raise for doing a good job without his boss also having to give a raise to the other union retard who fucks off all day and doesn't give a fuck
>he's proud of this
lol

Kill yourself you Commie faggot.

>Since 2006

Jesus fuck, I started my company in '07 and I do refrigeration work. I'm really glad you choose to do this line of work but holding onto unions as a crutch is only going to undermine your ability to grow. It's been 10 years for me, four van with journeymen and apprentices with contracts year round. Get off the union goose step and become independent.

>ancap flag
Of course... You guys have no understanding of game theory or collective interests. What happens when the employer fires anyone who joins a union or bargains collectively in any way?

Like anything, it's good in moderation. Fighting for a decent paycheck, safe working conditions, benefits, etc is fine.

Old-school unions backed by Mafia goons that hold companies hostage? Not good for a competitive economy

>in a union
>doing someone else's job

that's a big no-no

Anyone in a union is fundamentally un-American and should be kicked out of the country immediately.

For some people it doesn't always work out like that. Happy for you though.

Go good with steak and mushrooms...

Unions create winners and loser.

Overall, everyone loses from unions by causing an inefficient distribution of scarce resources.

If you are in a union, you may win in the short term due to the things you mentioned. However, in the long run you have to consider that your industry will be hurt and the general economy. If your union hurts your industry enough, you may be out of work.

>What happens when the employer fires anyone who joins a union or bargains collectively in any way?
anything. people are allowed to freely disassociate from each other. or are you one of those "anti racists?"

Unions are business killers.
It protects lazy ass niggers

give you a secret user

for public service work, their jobs are more needed if the society gets worse. eg, welfare, social work, public health, etc

This. Gas these faggots

I can start. First, unions are Jewish controlled. "Workers unite" through unions was how the Jews started forming a consensus in peasants to start the Bolshevik revolution in the Russian Empire. They attempted the same thing in Germany, through unions, in the German civil war of 1918 and started again in the 30's before Hitler came to power. It was working for a union and seeing the obvious Jewish control that led Hitler to write Mein Kamf.

If you are in a Union, you are cattle for the Jews. Look up the board of who is running your union. You work while they collect your dues.

And what does your union do for you? Workers are paid a wage in USD today. There is no company scrip. The Fair Labor Standards Act protects you. Unsafe working conditions? OSHA protects you. Injured on the job? Every state has workers' compensation laws. Healthcare? If your employer has it, your right to it is guaranteed by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act. All of the original reasons for which workers wanted unions are now the law whether there is a union or not.

"Well I can't just be fired if I am in the union" says the Jewish dick riding union faggot. Really? Because that is a pain in the ass for employers who can then ship the work off to China or Mexico and not have to deal with it. It is much easier for employers not to employ union people in the first place, and that is what has happened.

you mean, your paycheck comes from the taxpayer?

What? No, I'm not even talking about race. I'm just saying that collective bargaining is necessary for employees to get payed what their labor is worth, and collective bargaining is dis-incentivized in a free market.

People do get fired. They hire more from a union pool, and fire again as necessary. It's like amazon, union has a great return policy

thats a crock of a shit and a lie
you cant name a single public sector job that isnt done better and more efficiently in the private sector
except "tax collector"

Private company

>For some people

It's because you're holding yourself back. I did the whole, out of high school, thing as well. Mind you, clearly much older than you but please continue to tell us how amazing your work is by the grace of the holy, UNION.

Unions are great but it's a shame a lot of the executives lobby for progressive and socialist bullshit

>collective bargaining is necessary for employees to get payed what their labor is worth
already disptoven. see henry ford
>collective bargaining is dis-incentivized in a free market
and yet it still happens. imagine that

> I don't know how unions work
>Ancap

What did I expect

Anyone who bad mouths unions sure the hell ain't on the side of the working man. If you work for a living don't listen to a word that comes out of these cocksuckers mouths.

Trade unions built this country, they have much higher building and safety standards and if you think that's a bad thing you should move to China or india.
Public sector unions are a cancer that needs eradicated

You are trying to argue with a guy with ancap flag and that just bringed a example of 100 years old, stop failling into weak baits user.

Literally no noon-union shop can touch our chillers faggot. They wouldn't know where to start. Keep on tooting your own horn leaf about you gay mom and pop refrigeration shop

my friend's dad is in the union for HVAC got in back in the 80's. After the collapse no one ill hire him and he can barely be employed solely because he's in the union. It's like a black stain that won't go away.

Also proof of some type of amazing money with your leaf business or GTFO

>henry ford
His eight-hour day was not widely copied until the government stepped in and made it law with the Fair Labor Standards Act. Furthermore, unions had been campaigning for it since the 1860s.

>yet it still happens
Because we don't live in a free market. Aren't ancaps usually the first to acknowledge this?

OP is an unironic beneficiary of jewish communists (muh unions)
but it's ok though because he's white :^)

>>$129 union fee per month pays dental, medical, and full pension.
>and full pension.
found the next bubble

I'm actually beaner. Just because I have a white wife at home doesn't mean I'm white

>Needing to prove yourself in 4chin

Well I see why you're here now and throwing insults around like goes a long with proving just how truly pathetic you are. But go on ahead and continue boasting, really doing yourself justice. Mr. Trane man or at least I think you're implying you work for Trane.
>Our Chillers
>Private company
>Fortune 500

A lot of proverbial mouth shit being posted here.

Company pays my pension ass fuck. They contribute 30 dollars per hour towards my benefits.

OP is getting increasingly irritated in this thread as he realizes just how giant of a mistake he made and how much of an embarrassment he is and how he doesn't deserve to call himself an American let alone call himself a man.

lol. Commie faggot.

You are on par to every Boomer. Neck yourself, kid.

Proof or get the fuck out leaf.
Oh, and how dense are you? Between the tech companies that have buildings that need cooling, and personnel agencies such as CBRE, Able, ABM, and JJL, don't you think there's more to the business? Oh that's right. You have no proof you're a faggot leaf. If Youre going to criticize, make sure you know what you're talking about .

>productive job
>100k a year
>stay at home wife caring for your children
Sounds fine to me. However a man can attain this lifestyle, without being a parasite, they should do it.

My only question is how many kids do you have. Better be exceeding replacement.

You can't get embarrassed by acne ridden teenagers stuffing their fat face with pizza begel rolls in their moms basement while I make over 100k fucking nice, tight, pink lipped pussy.

>Proof or get the fuck out leaf.
lol Or what?

Here, let's start here.
Heating
Ventilation
Air Conditioning.

Where is the Refrigeration in this? Tell me as quick as you can without using good what H-502 is and what type of refrigerate it is (CFC, HCFC, HFC, etc) and I'll consider something but considering what I am asking you is impossible and only possible face to face, nothing will come of this. Better google quick.

>>R-502

I mean. Enjoying myself alittle to much here at OP

lol. OP just stop before you embarrass yourself further. Jesus Christ I can't imagine what your father would say if he'd stuck around.

You're asking me basic abbreviations that I needed to memorize to get my basic universal license to remove refrigerant? Lmao. Real hard for you leafs up there eh? Get lost faggot.

Unions are a place where fat cat boomers get drunk and bribed by the companies. I rather leak my employers unkosher data to the financial authorities and stuff that might be interesting for the competition is also worth a dime or to. Anybody loyal to a boomer run company should off himself

What Union? Teamsters? Local 14 or Local 15? Lets see if you're bullshitting.

>Trying to collectively bargain when anyone off the street can do the job.

I had a union meeting where the speaker was calling everyone brother and sister, it really put me off

Three minutes and you couldn't answer something as simple as what R-502 is, what the fuck man. I appreciate you posting here and making a fool of yourself. Have fun working on heat pumps the rest of your life while the real mechanics are out here doing real work.

>Muh preventative maintenance sustains me as a career choice

but that isn't what i said at all. I said there's an incentive not to do the correctly

My shop steward did the same thing when I was Union, tried to get everyone to cough up money for Hillary too.

LMAO teamsters? So smart. You just spouted off random unions off the top of your head and expect to know mine when asked? As if I can't just google one if I was larping. Is this the best of POL?

They're quick to know you they're quick to forget you. You'll be thrown under the bus soon and won't have any principles to protect you.
Unions are trash formed by weaklings

he's saying that if society starts to collapse, the demand for federal employees increases. If more people need welfare, you need more employees to process those welfare recipients for example.

I'm sure you're right that private sector offers "superior" quality work, but the private sector suffers under societal pressure/collapse.

I glanced over your post and saw you quizzing me on basic abbreviations and realized you're a LARPing faggot that literally cannot prove one shred of evidence, and that thinks literally he has the high ground to ask me to prove. I ask you for eveidence and then you ask me simple abbreviations. Seriously get lost leaf.

I just googled R-502 and can tell you about it. Proof of your business venture success or GTFO.

For someone that is working as an HVAC mechanic and you can't even tell me what R-502 is and instead just call it an abbreviation just kills it for me. You're so full of shit and you know it. You probably couldn't even do a simple BTU calculation for getting 40lbs of ice @ 32F to steam at 212F and how long it would take in hours.
>Muh muh muh quizzing
If you're incapable of doing something like this on the fly, you're not going to succeed in this industry.

Its your thread user. You start with claims based on personnel experience about how unions are so great. Give specifics then. Not just vague claims about how unions fight for you.

>muh basic preventative maintenance
Also, leaf, seriously you think this trade is about lancing heat exchangers and swapping filters? More proof you're a novice leaf that doesn't know what you're talking about.
I've handled complete cool replacement, and chiller compressor installs as an apprentice.
You're sooo gay stop posting seriously

Stipulations were that FaoE7Zye do it, so you're denied.

Unions are a way for dumb people to make more money than they are actually worth mostly though threats and extortion. It's that simple.

Wew I'll never be able to recover from this. Can you even tell me what kind of compressor that Trane unit has that you posted with your time stamp?

>pounds and BTU
More proof you're a larping faggot that copied and pasted shit off google! You use metric up there ass clown.

Well now I know, now I know. Neck yourself.

I can but you'll just come back and say I took it off the label plate. I did just time stamp a chiller I took a picture off. Proves nothing

I used to wash dishes as slow as humanly possible so I could get paid more. I couldn't be fired because I'm part of a union so it never mattered how slow I washed them and completed my work

Draw your own conclusions

>(((pension)))
>Yes!!! Oy vey Goyim, depend on it for retirement!!! It will never be touched or siphoned!!!
Thank God for rent-free living with my Grandpa's property while trucking for 11 years before retiring. Just be aware boy, I'll tell you what, don't rely on it (pension) as your absolute retirement, regardless of it being "secured". Start implementing ways to invest to start obtaining passive income. You earn way more than I did ($67k at my peak), but I managed to save up to 70% of my income annually for all those years. I hope your family leaves you with assets, funds and property.
t.Louisiana good ol' boy

>work in the healthcare system
>hate unions
>am lucky enough to be in a position that isn't unionized
>Since the unionized positions make more money than their non-union counterparts there was a big salary gap in the system, so salaries for non-unionized positions were brought up to their unionized counterparts
>I now make 20,000 dollars more annually

wtf I love unions now!
Poor taxpayers though

Unions are good and necessary, but they only work when the union is made up of a homogeneous population (WHITES), and our country stops important shitskin laborers. Simple as that.

>Need dishes for customers
>Washer is slow
>Complain to washer
>Washer gets Union to force employer to buy more dishes
>More dishes now need to be washed
>Washer now works more hours and get more pay

Sounds like a path to success. Next thing you should do is start your own dish washing company, contract the work out to the employer, hire another equally slow worker to wash dishes there and get a contract to another business and employ yourself there, washing slowly and using the same tactic to increase your revenue.

>Remember that before 1960 about there was no political class. You came from somewhere. You had another job. Now they're all careerists looking out for themselves and the ideal is a cushy deal with the companies they do the bidding off after they finish in politics.
Exactly.

Thanks for the neck ache asshole.
>OP IS AN ASSHOLE HOW CAN'T ROTATE A PIC

Still waiting on proof, leaf. You can't sit there and heckle me for not starting my own HVAC company. Then I all of sudden need proof to be union when any other tool apparently can do this job.

Fuck Ingersooll Rand. They have ruined Trane.

Unions are too corrupt to be of any use anymore. They've ALL been infiltrated by organized crime, and those are the people who run the show. You have rights, but in name only. If you rock the boat at all, they'll find a way to boot your ass out.

>Trane
Glad to see someone else working here.
You HVAC mechanic?

For all intents and purposes yes

Tell me Sup Forums, who dun it?

Good in theory but often too influenced by corruption, organised crime etc

Got way too big for their boots in the UK and turned the public against them and got their shit slapped

No construction unions in South Carolina; that's why we can't compete with illegals and work for slave wages with no benefits

1 unions need to be volentary, sectors where union membership is required by law or other systems are immoral
2 unions need to operate on a level playing field, not tax benefits for member and/or the union only for the union ingaged in politics
3 while the service a union provides in labour disputes is good they have a) become bloated and no longer care about the worker but them selves
b)even if they care about their members they will gladly shove any non unionised worker or job seeker under the train
c) have become political activists fighting for the radical left and funding the rest of the left wing parasite groups

>What's the big deal? Am I missing something?

the old guys screw over the younger guys
seniority is everything, not just a factor that's considered it is everything
unions are also self-righteous about screwing you over whereas companies don't put on an act when they do it
you see in the news about a "skilled worker shortage" but the old hands certainly don't mind having a backlog of work and high demand for their skills
they're not offering apprenticeships or recruiting
in many areas you can't even get in to a union unless you're related to someone already in
then there's the whole issue of unions being oriented around limiting productivity while every major increase in the standard of living has been due to an increase in productivity

>Unions are a place where fat cat boomers get drunk and bribed by the companies.

also this

>100k/yr
>$130/mth pays for medical, dental and pension
>100k/yr
>the cheapest possible shit-garbage trashheap medical plan costs $85 a month

If you can't see why that doesn't add up, why it's fiscally insolvent, you're exactly the type of person unions want.

If you're paying union dues, you already coughed up plenty of money for Hillary. Luckily, some unions (WI teacher's, for instance) allow you to re-coup that money if you are registered in a different party than the one they back. A friend of mine gets hers back every year and gives to to the Republicans on principle. It isn't very much money, naturally, but it's the thought that counts.