ITT: Examples of Threads Aiming to Divide and Conquer

E.g.,
>Are ____ white?

>It’s all western womens’ fault. Abandon western women. (In other words, MGTOW)

>You know that [Insert non-Jewish right-leaning person] is jewish right (e.g., Lauren Southern, Mike Enoch)?

>[Insert any right-leaning youtube personality whose views doesn’t 100% align with Sup Forums’s but who nonetheless is doing a good job of convincing a large number of normies to look outside of mainstream political thought in favor of right-of-center alternatives, with the ultimate effect of providing a stepping stone for normies to become Sup Forums-tier but that would otherwise have had a difficult time making the leap directly from Bill O’reilly to David Duke] is controlled opposition

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>It’s all western womens’ fault. Abandon western women. (In other words, MGTOW)
it's too bad we have r9k because women need to be put back in their place but we can't have that discussion without everyone getting called a virgin by some roastie shill

>divide and conquer an anonymous amalgamation of people across the globe with different views

I agree that Western women have become completely unhinged and need to be put back in their place, and I agree that Western women overwhelmingly support ideas that destroy the west (degeneracy, mass immigration, etc.)

I'm just not a big fan of posts where the key takeaway is "fuck western women. They ruined everything. We need to blame them." The goal of those discussions should instead be to figure out how to convert them to our side.

Any thread that even remotely touches on the role of women in the decline of the West inevitably turns into every critic being labeled MGTOW, a virgin, JIDF, etc. Afterwards, there's always one retard that comes in and says something like "if you want to fix women, fix men." Despite being comically out of touch with the reality of gender relations and sociopolitics, the post will inevitably get a bunch of Sup Forums's dumbest posters agreeing and pretending it's sage advice.

Criticizing women isn't okay, criticizing men is regular activity.

>I'm just not a big fan of posts where the key takeaway is "fuck western women. They ruined everything. We need to blame them." The goal of those discussions should instead be to figure out how to convert them to our side.
I'm not either, especially when it's a BLEACHED poster.

The dickmeasuring threads over who is more cucked than who are also cancer.

>Criticizing women isn't okay, criticizing men is regular activity.
Are you trying to give a prescription or are you talking about how our culture reacts to this issue?

>The goal of those discussions should instead be to figure out how to convert them to our side.

You really can't. That's not a bad thing either, considering ~85% of women are worthless (CDC).
It's not like the Far Right needs widespread female support anyway. Radical/revolutionary though has never needed to win the hearts of the majority, only a determined minority.

Beyond that, why should we be offering our hands and pretending that modern women are redeemable? Firstly, they're not. Secondly, the worse off things become, the better it is in the long run.

I'm talking about how Sup Forums specifically reacts to the issue. Actual culture pretends there's nothing wrong with women, and nitpicks men for opting out in some form or another (Everything from MGTOWs to College Graduates with little ambition and fear of commitment).

Sup Forums specifically acknowledges that there's a problem with women, but thinks that fixing men (i.e. Encouraging them to become more "alpha" or "traditional") will somehow fix women.

Both are retarded, but I find the latter to be particularly bothersome, considering it's coming from people who pretend to be well-read on and able to see through the mistruths regarding contemporary gender politics.

I think the "fix men" people are shills or they've learned to play the part they think has gotten them personal success.

>how to convert them back to our side
heres how. give up and force us. we're not going to go back into chains willingly you fag. no ammount of retarded sjws is going to convince us that a history of famine, blood, war, poverty, and immigration before we got the vote, is going to change just because we have it now. I can avoid muslims and rapefugees, I'm not going to be able to avoid some twat telling me i cant vote or work anymore before selling me on the open market for not having a father to marry me off,

thats because pol is drowing in gender politics just as well, rational scientific positions are ignored in favor of muh feels at all times.

Oh pray tell, what "rational, scientific positions" are you a proponent of that Sup Forums ignores?

>I can avoid muslims and rapefugees, I'm not going to be able to avoid some twat telling me i cant vote or work anymore before selling me on the open market for not having a father to marry me off,
you're saying you like being told what to do by men?

generally insists gender isn't a spectrum, thinks gays aren't natural, and by all means doesn't seem to have a solid grasp on how mental illness even fucking works.

>are you saying the opposite of what you said?
today isn't opposite day.

The countless daily tranny threads.

>Actually believing gender is a spectrum
>Rational, and scientific

hahahahahaha women are THIS stupid

>believing any major group of traits in evolution is immutable, static and binary
get the fuck out of here creationist, genders aren't "special kinds"

>Actually trying to separate gender from biological sex
>Attempts to use words like "creationist" to vilify opposition
Wew. Women like you are part of the reason I sometimes hope the Muslims end up winning.

>Actually trying to separate gender from biological sex
>implying theyre seperate
last i checked brains are material
>muh ur using da word creationist
you are litterally arguing from a creationist position.
>I hope the mudslims win
they already will be the more you reject western scientific literacy, go ahead and defacate on your culture because muh comfey black and white mentality

>You are literally arguing from a creationist position.
How so? My entire position is that sex=gender, and personality/personal preferences aren't enough to put something like "gender" on a spectrum. I'd love to see some of the wonderful academics you're using to make this case. I'm sure they're all highly credible, intellectually honest professionals like Dr. John Money or Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey.

>they already will be the more you reject western scientific literacy, go ahead and defacate on your culture because muh comfey black and white mentality
I hate traitors more than enemies. A woman's right to be a whore, or the right to sodomy aren't things worth defending.

But, hey, considering you're such a big fan of science as it relates to gender, and sexuality, I'm dying to know: What's your opinion on premarital sex and promiscuity in general?

>if you want to fix women, fix men.
I'm certainly not some sort of white knight faggot, but this is definitely true.
Look at the pitiful state of the modern male in western society. He's a fucking degenerate. He doesn't want to get married and have kids. His kids are cats and dogs. He refers to himself as his animals' "father". To him, the life of some fucking cat or dog is worth more than the life of a child. He spends hours posting and upvoting "good boy" memes on Reddit.

He does not believe in God. In his twisted view of reality, God is an "imaginary friend" of backwards, dumb religious people. He somehow thinks that science refutes the existence of God. He is not willing to scratch any further and reach the idea that the existence of a higher being (God) is in fact the most logical situation. He thinks that he has an open mind, yet his mind is insanely limited to the liberal/leftist ideas and way of thinking.

With his rejection of religion, comes the rejection of all other traditions. His "romantic" relationships revolve around sexual pleasure. In fact, everything in his life is based on reaching purely physical pleasure. He is a godless hedonist. Having sex with complete strangers? That's OK to him, because it feels good. Getting shitfaced at the bar, blacking out and having the police escort you home? He doesn't give a shit if he acted like a degenerate. After all, he had a good time.

He is terribly lazy and has a very limited set of skills. He was told by Taylor Swift to follow his dreams, and after getting a worthless degree at a worthless art school, he blames "le ebil capitalism and boomers" for the fact that he can't get a job other than being a McDonalds cashier for shit. God forbid he takes up some manual labour though. But he probably can't do that either, as he can't tell the difference between a nail and a screw.

And much more. He is nothing like the men of his age a hundred years ago. And we wonder why the same is true for women.

Are Arabs white?

Bump

Shill tactics

(((Geert Wilders))) and Trump are actual zionists, Nigel Farage possible but (((Wilders))) and Trump are zionists.

>faggots
Pic related.

Defending women's rights won't save the west though. Islam is expanding because they know how to put a woman in her place. Giving women the vote is the biggest mistake in the west as it has ruined the character of white women as now they do not have to be kind to the white man to have political influence.

sick info graph bro, really proves your point

>Look at the pitiful state of the modern male in western society. He's a fucking degenerate.
How come a S*rb considers himself an authority when it comes to evaluating western society?
>the existence of a higher being (God) is in fact the most logical situation.
explain
>Having sex with complete strangers? That's OK to him, because it feels good.
Why is it bad?

>How so? My entire position is that sex=gender, and personality/personal preferences aren't enough to put something like "gender" on a spectrum. I'd love to see some of the wonderful academics you're using to make this case. I'm sure they're all highly credible, intellectually honest professionals like Dr. John Money or Dr. Alfred C. Kinsey.
no ammount of stupidity could even come close to this kind of denial. first of all, transgendered people are provably nuerologically different, as are gays. jesus christ "personality/personal preferences" what kind of retarded shit is this? you're the one with some kind of crazy delusion that the mind is not informed by biology. how the fuck is it that you think men and women have different minds but that variations in that differences do not exist because muh i said so?
I don't need to give you credible professors, every fucking aspect of evolution relies on gender and sex being mutable and changable. theyre a spectrum of common traits, not a binary static feature.

>I hate traitors more than enemies.
what a coincidence, sure explains why I hate you so much when you've betrayed our heritage; scientific literacy.

oh, and incase it wasn't obvious, premarital sex is stupid for the same reason promiscuity is stupid; Resources are finite and breeding without a grounding in society and its limits and costs is only something retarded vegan, niggers, and the alt-right, think is good. if you want to stop the white race dying, you have to keep other people OUT not boost your numbers so it all comes crashing down faster.

pol is one person, otherwise known as the hacker named 4 chan. he looks like what appears to be the grinch in the mask holding a gun and always gets away with it.

>reeeeeeeee I don't have to cite evidence but you do

>if you want to stop the white race dying, you have to keep other people OUT not boost your numbers so it all comes crashing down faster.
this

Giving voting rights to women as they are right now wasn't the best idea, I agree, but by itself, it wasn't very harmful. The right to work and the decline of the traditional man were much worse.

>durr muh convoluted copy pasta
you're retarded, people are disgusted by fags first and foremost because of the uncanny valley. no one pukes a little inside when they see to male flies or two male lions getting it on. gays and trans and other intersex are disturbing for the same reason many other traits are disturbing, theyre outside the norm. doesn't change the fact that their existance is explained by nature and not artificial. its a consiquence of evolution that mutations have to happen for stuff to change.

Reason we differe from muslims is because we respect our women. I hear your views on women align with Pakistan, surely you will move there?

Todays man are bunch of fuckbois who don't want kids and to get married. Studies prove many times women are much more religous then man.

It is imperative that oppositional plants are found and exposed lest our entire movement is derailed and we end up with a mislead and unforeseen conclusion, which could be even more detrimental to our cause than blatant rejection of a few people. Lauren Southern is not only an oppositional plant, but is actively engaged in subliminal derailment of this movement. She is a Jew without question at this point. Beware women have wrecked most movements that they have become involved in.

>ree why wont you prove evolution is real
because I got hundreds of white men on that for me. if you have a problem with sex being dictated by genes and genes being subject to constant mutation and variation, then i suggest you write your hypothesis and get to testing because you're basically telling biologists that everything they know is wrong.

>but this is definitely true.
No, it's not. You're not looking at the reasons why men are the way they are in the first place.
>Look at the pitiful state of the modern male in western society. He's a fucking degenerate. He doesn't want to get married and have kids. His kids are cats and dogs. He refers to himself as his animals' "father". To him, the life of some fucking cat or dog is worth more than the life of a child. He spends hours posting and upvoting "good boy" memes on Reddit.
Yes, the modern man is a degenerate. Why shouldn't he be? Why should he waste time even thinking about marriage? 85% of women his age aren't marriage material. The legal system favors women. More and more of these young men have seen divorce up close. Why should any man want to settle down with used goods and have a binding contract that is slanted against him?

It's hilarious how you're blaming promiscuity entirely on men when the sexual revolution itself was spearheaded by Second-wave feminists. They, overwhelmingly, were the ones that wanted to sleep around without consequences. Men are just reacting to the environment around them.

Any incentive for a man to get married, have kids, and act right has been completely destroyed. Why are you surprised that these men are now responding to the lack of incentives?

Your point about worthless degrees is off, too. Yes, the person who got a degree in Art History, or Women's Studies is an idiot that deserves to fail; however, we're now seeing even STEM grads find themselves shackled with debt and headed towards being either unemployed or underpaid.

When pussy is free and easily accessible there is really no need to peruse women, but also no need to procreate.

Cite one study that says gender is a spectrum

>durr
the right (if by right you mean everybody is out of a job thanks to factories, so get to being hired by them pussy or no) to work came before the right to vote. it was inevitable.

>Islam is expanding because they know how to put a woman in her place
No its expanding because of traitorous politicians importing them. Before that West has always been best. Egypt respected their women and were always most advanced before muslim coqnuest and we know where they are now. Btw you really do sound like some fedora tipping virgin. Notice how Macron is a man, Soros is a man, Swedish PM is a man. If man were more nationalistic women would follow

pic related

>How come a S*rb considers himself an authority when it comes to evaluating western society?
Oh I'm sorry G*rmcuck, do I not fit your personal arbitrary rules which define who can and who can't comment on the state of the West? Boo-fucking-hoo, retard. Grow the fuck up and leave the cringe worthy word censoring to those who actually deserve it. No matter what you were led to believe, Serbs are pretty fucking OK people and we're genetically on point, and a picture of gypsies waving a Serbian flag isn't going to change that.
>explain
Can't write it out so read this, it's a pretty nice explanation: gotquestions.org/argument-existence-God.html
>Why is it bad?
Because it's immoral and dangerous

there isn't one study that says gender is a spectrum because there doesn't need to be, there are however thousands of studies that go into detail on how biology and evolutionary change are spectrums, every animal must be able to breed with the previous animal, yet change occurs, speciation occurs, the sexes of different animals change to have different traits associated with their dimorphisms. This is a fact of evolution. there doesn't need to be some kind of study proving gender is a spectrum, there needs to be a study that proves that gender, which is part of biology and informed by the same evolutionary processes as every other fucking thing, is somehow exempt from change because some alt right niggers said so.

>Shilling for Jews pretending to care

It shouldn't be hard to find evidence of it if it's so obvious

That is irrelevant to my argument, you hunk of shit.

>calls me retarded
>attacks an argument that I or the picture didn't even bring up

>I'm just not a big fan of posts where the key takeaway is "fuck western women. They ruined everything. We need to blame them." The goal of those discussions should instead be to figure out how to convert them to our side.

Let them fail horribly and learn from their mistakes. The strong will survive, the weak will not be able to push their genes into the pool. Ultimately, you cannot completely control every aspect of another individual. Good morals will be promoted when the necessity returns.

Where have I mentioned the gays? I've left them out completely because I find them to be a non-issue.

I've never claimed that the mind is not informed by biology, or that variations and differences don't exist. Only that those variations and differences don't put the entirety of gender on a spectrum.

>what a coincidence, sure explains why I hate you so much when you've betrayed our heritage; scientific literacy
Oh yes, I've betrayed scientific literacy because I'm not okay with people celebrating mentally ill aberrants and arbitrarily redefining words, concepts and terms.

>Why is it bad?

Promiscuity erodes one's ability to pair-bond at the neurochemical level. Previous partner count is highly predictive of likelihood to cheat and/or divorce (especially in women), with startling jumps when going from zero to even one previous partner.

Promiscuity tends to obliterate the concept of lifelong monogamy and contributes to divorces and single motherhood. Such things lower parental investment in children overall.

Multiple studies of civilizations have found that sexual liberation tends to result in civilizational collapse or, at best, a severe waning. Perhaps the best authority on the subject is J.D. Unwin who I cannot recommend enough.

Genuinely curious then, are you a virgin?

go look up how speciation and taxonomy works. we decide that "x is a species and y is a different species. but if you line them all up from one common ancestor to the next you don't see sharp vivid devides, you see a spectrum, a continuum of creatures each barely different from the last one before it and so on. gender is no fucking different than this, and that is obvious enough from the fact that evolution is proven, and animals have males and females who have different traits.

Examples of shills listed by OP

>gays and trannies are the next step in evolution
sex is XX or XY everything else is a genetic disorder or mental illness

>my arguement is stupid, but that doesnt mean you're not allowed to make a better less convoluted arguement in its place
fuck off slav

Your first sentence is more or less the shortened version of my whole post. I wouldn't use the term "fuckboy" though. The great majority aren't that, they're just degenerates.
Anyhow, irreligiosity is a terrible problem but one that is, in fact, somewhat easy to fix provided that it's agnostic, actually open-minded atheism not accompanied with utter degeneracy and not fedoraism, which can more easily be fixed by the sword.

You fucks are the same ones who will advocate for the extermination of porn. Do you realize what a horrible place the world would be if we were all deprived of porn? Any Saxon under 5'10 shouldn't reproduce, and no woman should be attracted to such fucks. We are Saxons proud of our heritage and culture. Porn is what keeps us going until we can get this shit sorted out.

So why haven't we seen anyone proclaiming to be a demi queer pansexual anywhere in history? Why is this suddenly coming out of the woodwork in the last 10 years?

>I've never claimed that the mind is not informed by biology, or that variations and differences don't exist. Only that those variations and differences don't put the entirety of gender on a spectrum.
yes, they do you fucking dumbass, because a spectrum is granular changes and what you are describing are granular changes

>people celebrating mentally ill aberrants and arbitrarily redefining words, concepts and terms.
no different than why i don't get along with niggers who deny that their terms are arbitrary and that they have no fucking clue how mental illness works, and think their primitive disgust should inform how we treat patients.
i gave a pity bj to a white guy once. that's all the sexual experience i have.

Yes, I'm a shill even though I typically advocate against punching groups that have similar goals and interests.

Go fuck yourself, you white knight nationalist cuck. There's not one coherent argument in favor of modern women. They can't be redeemed, they can't be "unspoiled" by strong men.

I'd rather a Serb evaluate Western society than a limp-wristed cuck in Germany.

How can anyone in the modern age advocate for a backwards, unintelligent mental problem such as religion. If you think that our new Europe will adhere to any such lunatic practices of people in the past, please excuse yourself from the movement. You will be doing us a greater deed by leaving than by staying.

This

Piss of MGTOW. You really do sound like you don't leave your house a lot

>implying just because the alt right knows nothing about gender being a spectrum means that the left is informed
what you just described are the same people who sign petitions to ban dihydrogen monoxide at green earth fares. There have been deviations from the culture of sexual binary in the past, but only a retard would go about trying to turn every fucking shade of a spectrum into a snowflake with its own special backstory, the gender spectrum was fine the way it was; developing terms for the intersex that have some kind of practical and informational function, obviously a shit ton of arbitrary pronouns don't help this.

Fuck off Serb monkey. We will prepare the ovens for your kind soon enough. You shit blood Serbs have been a problem long enough.

>2017
>Not supporting a porn ban

Leave it to the NatSoc to be a complete fucking degenerate on sexual issues. I suppose you're in favor of "racially healthy" individuals having kids outside of wedlock, too?

>yes, they do you fucking dumbass, because a spectrum is granular changes and what you are describing are granular changes
So you can't cite a single study supporting your claim, nor can you seem to comprehend the idea that deviations from the norm don't make a spectrum.

>no different than why i don't get along with niggers who deny that their terms are arbitrary and that they have no fucking clue how mental illness works, and think their primitive disgust should inform how we treat patients.

In your opinion, how SHOULD we be treating Trans patients? It's obvious that gender reassignment surgery isn't working.

>i gave a pity bj to a white guy once. that's all the sexual experience i have.
Gross, but could be worse.

He is right. There is no redeeming qualities in modern western women. We will have to begin back in Europe and build up as we did before. These women are truly gone.

JIDF shilling hard today against Christians huh .

>So you can't cite a single study supporting your claim, nor can you seem to comprehend the idea that deviations from the norm don't make a spectrum.
i dont need to cite a paper to prove evolution is real, it has been proven, you have to cite papers to show that the primary function of evolution a genetic mutation based spectrum of changes between one species to the next somehow plugs its ears and closes its eyes when it gets to the Y and X chromosomes

>I hear your views on women align with Pakistan, surely you will move there?
No, because it's filled with shitskins.

Great argument. You've completely failed to address any single point I've made, and, as I predicted in the first post, you've mislabeled me as MGTOW.

So it's fairly cut and dry then. There is male and female. Anything in the middle is an aberration and should be treated as such.

If you have the time to shill in unrelated threads then you have the time to answer my question

no, actually, its obvious to anyone versed in the literature that it is.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12856892

So you're playing hot potato with burden of proof now, and claiming that evolution's reality translates to the reality of gender on a spectrum. Wonderful.

I am genuinely curious though, what is your preferred approach for treating trans patients?

>abberation
> something or someone regarded as atypical and therefore able be ignored or discounted
actually no dumbass you don't get to discount people from observation and the study of how gender and sex works just becuase it makes you uncomfortable. thats called cooking your fucking data

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

Thanks, user. Beat me to the punch.

That's what they are though, defects from the norm.

If you take any of this seriously, you deserve to be manipulated.

No, you misunderstand my level of clan pride. I am a Saxon, not an Anglo, Goth, Slav or fucking Dago. Saxons shouldn't mix with any other people in Europe except their own. They should be proud of their culture and heritage. If you were to mix Saxon and Goth, for instance, the cultures are so different the offsprings wouldn't know which one to claim. To attempt to claim both is not only impossible but ludicrous are humans are subject to stratification.

A porn ban is not only impossible but unwanted since it helps men who aren't capable or, I can't stress this enough, shouldn't reproduce. Having a large number of men who are sexual frustrated will add greater problems to our cause.

Here's another example:
> Huurrr down with America, Russia is based, Support Russia you goy

>playing hot potato
theres no potato to hop. the potato is eaten and enjoyed by anyone who has had any interest in biology and evolution for the past 100 fucking years you fag.

my prefered approach is the one that actually fucking works; therapy, then hormones, then surgery. in that order, preferably with a doctor to watch the blood levels and keep things rolling smooth. 24/7 for months or years before hormones and surgery is retarded though as it only squicks out people more from already disturbing images that trannies create, thus actively engendering more hatred of them.

except till theyre not.
Every mutation that ever existed follows this same pattern.
calling them defects defeats the entire point of evolution, basically no mutation is a defect, the point is the environment selects which ones are effective. no trait is otherwise good or bad since the rammifications are always complex. even a trait that lets you eat and bread really well is worthless if you become too good at hunting and run out of food from all the breeding and hunting you did.

Oh, so your racial ideology is completely untenable in the modern-era. Lovely.

Even losers were capable of reproducing back in the day. With regard to whether or not they should, it's not the übermensch that build society. Civilization itself relies on "betas" being married, having kids and having a reason to opt into the system. Without incentives like that, they have no reason to contribute at all.

It's obvious that you've read nothing on the topic and are just trying to apply a sophomoric understanding of natural selection to human civilization and sociopolitics.
tl;dr: kys, retard.

Just because in your head you dance around in some magical grey area where your not really sure what gender you are doesn't change the fact you either have xx or xy chromosomes

nobody gives a shit what x or y why you have. People with CAIS still get tagged woman, people who have inter-sex traits are often also made women rather than leave the mutation's effects on their genitalia.

This surprisingly despite pols retarded claim of a jewish psi op, does not cause them to be women, despite being born with female and male sexual traits they are dissonant to being raised female.

What are you even talking about?

Look man, first, I'm not here to fight so let's just try to have a normal discussion. Might wanna get that out of the way before this turns into a shitfest.

Anyway... Men must think about marriage. It must be one of every man's primary goals in life. And no matter how many women are shit, he must be determined to find a quality one. Now, I'm seeing all this from a slightly different perspective than you due to the differences between our countries, but let's just say that I'm mostly familiar with the state of American society. Mostly, so I could be slightly wrong.
Those "used goods" you're speaking of are literally 100% men's fault. If men didn't actually fuck up women like that so their dicks could enjoy a few minutes of feel-good time, that problem would be non-existent. If all men instead focused on finding a good quality compatible lifetime partner, there would be no toasties. But no. What's life if you don't fuck at least 100 drunk bitches, amirite haha? The former also helps greatly reduce the divorce problem. And, of course, if men were determined to do so, they could easily create a decent legal system to justly solve other marriage disputes. But no, half of today's men can't be bothered to even fucking vote, let alone do something more meaningful.
>It's hilarious how you're blaming promiscuity entirely on men... Men are just reacting to the environment around them.
What? They should've simply smashed their hands at the table and said "NO!" How can men even allow that to happen? After all, they should be the ones to create the environment, and women should be the ones to react. Overall, it is men who keep up this sick tradition. And they are the only ones who can stop it. It is women who conform to the desires of men, not the opposite.

As for the degrees... the people who are serious and dedicated enough to complete a valuable STEM education probably aren't even degenerates to begin with.

I'm suggesting that the shit you posted is a bullshit random fanfiction of a reason why people dont like gays, there is a more obvious reason.

>what they should smash their hands and say no
men werent even happy when we where chattel and slaves, they litterally wouldn't marry a woman unless the other family paid them to.

I think the way you and I are approaching this is different. You come from the angle that everyone falls somewhere along a spectrum. I'm coming from the understanding that there are two genders, male and female, and there is some grey area where people who have mental aberrations thinking they are not one or the other fall. The argument is pointless because neither of us will convince the other that their point is correct because we are both firmly cemented in those two points.

Read the link mentioned in the post linked below and you'll see what I mean, you poor, brainwashed soul. Judging from your other posts, religion isn't the only subject you're wrong on.
You have no idea how valuable religion is when it comes to the conservation of traditional values.

I am speaking of omegas not betas. Betas are everywhere and they are important. It is the omegas that shouldn't reproduce due to the negative impact they could have on the gene pool.

Together we can topple the NWO.