>brought to you by special guest OP Lew Rockwell, AMA!
This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote property rights, individual liberty and lassez-faire capitalism. These includes (but is not limited to) anarcho-capitalism, paleolibertarianism, minarchy, objectivism and anti-leftism (i.e. physical removal, so to speak). All others are welcome to learn and debate us. Reminder that this is a right-wing thread, so libertine degenerates ('live and let live' faggotry), open-border advocates and faux-libertarians (e.g. Gary Johnson) are not welcome here - people here recognise that property rights imply discrimination and a return to traditional, conservative values. Although questions are welcome, many are repeated often, so it is recommended you research the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to debate with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios.
FURTHER READING: >Reference - See i.imgur.com/wCIpgNA.jpg >Torrent - magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8d8ec6ef882dee291f119eb69994797574e5d616&dn=Anarcho-Capitalism%20Books
THREAD THEME: >hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=u-wMmYSG9JQ >Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com/watch?v=HLaqr3QorCw >I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o >Drop it like it's Hoppe - youtube.com/watch?v=HPKGgo4kGQM
Totalitarians of any kind, National Socialists, NazBols or StrasserFags can never be considered true “right-wingers”, traditionalist, or promoters of a natural order.
Ryan Wilson
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Brayden Wood
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Nathaniel Turner
This guy is an an-cap tho
Camden Taylor
Feels good to feel at home.
Aiden Clark
Yeah, and so is Jeffery "safe space" Tucker. they're a cancer that has to be removed. The're indistinguishable from leftists.
Aaron Price
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Jeremiah Brooks
Welcome Home
Sebastian Parker
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Jacob Fisher
lel
Justin James
>did I tell you about thos non agressive commies? they're real.
Jose Lopez
Have you guys seen my website? I'm the mother fucking chairman of the mises institute!
No such thing as a peaceful commie and no such thing as a good willing socialist.
Ryan Ross
I feel the kekistani and Swastika should switch places. The National Socialists are far smarter than the kekistani Alt-Light
Brody Barnes
I definitely would swap the kekistanis out of that place, but I like where the nat-socs are. Some of them are intelligent and some are complete morons.
Kevin Hill
I unironically think Gavin McCuck is smarter than the top NatSoc on Sup Forums. Even if they can't say anything that might be a considered a hate crime in cuckanada.
Colton Adams
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Isaac Mitchell
PLUMBERS? WHAT IS THIS XENOPOHIBA? MY FREEDOM TO AN APARTMENT? GOVERMENT HELP!
David King
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Jaxson Perez
Yall niggas think you're safe and secure with your socialist state built roads, but while you're at work that road is fucking your wife. Feel smart now?
Luke Thompson
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Jordan Fisher
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Thomas Adams
great shit, do a H O P P E tho.
Julian Torres
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Brandon Ortiz
I need a caption, I lost slovakia's mudslime ball memes.
Eli Stewart
I read 'road to serfdom' and thought I would slide some Karl Marx in before jumping to Friedman... To understand the opposition.
Capital
Now I want to neck myself. :(
Bentley Brooks
also r8
Julian Parker
If I contribute, would someone answer my questions about libertarianism seriously?
Benjamin Watson
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Anthony Perry
you don't really wanna read marx. even if you're trying to "understand the opposition" you're better off learning about the modern left and you can learn what you need to know from youtube debate and news videos. we're not really up against classical marxists anymore. you're better off reardng leftist strategists if you actually want to oppose them in a real way.
maybe, I'll try not to be a dick.
Cameron Jenkins
That is actually the best, you should have this on the top left of the flag though
Jose Bell
Okay, but there already is a lot of great Hoppe aesthetic out there.
Matthew Peterson
also that meme is shit, 'cause you guys don't understand enforcing cultural values without the state.
ehh, I hate that lame symbol.
Daniel Robinson
How can you control inevitable hyperinflation of road fees? How can this system not turn into a turbomaterialistic, consumerist, degenerate shithole in a decade?
Blake Flores
Really makes you think
Alexander Wilson
I guess you're right. Do one of me instead, heres my selfie. I don't get enough love.
Robert Martinez
>Inevitable hyperinflation of road fees What is the free market? >Using "consumerism" as an argument "Although questions are welcome, many are repeated often, so it is recommended you research the basics first. Nobody here is obligated to debate with you, so try to avoid using fallacies in your arguments or creating unrealistic scenarios."
If you want a serious debate first you have to declare definitions of the terms you write about.
Evan Hughes
Weak government is self defeating. Post modernity will only bring NatSox.
It's only ever been damage control
Lucas Gutierrez
>Using "consumerism" as an argument Are you even serious? You are on Sup Forums. and this is a non-argument to you? Rope yourself degenerate. I posted that image because it was entertaining. Not to imply that AnCap/Libfaggotry is a stepping stone before NatSoc.
Josiah Anderson
Define consumerism you maggot or get the fuck out. You are not worthy of any debate of any sort if you rush in here and act like a precious snowflake.
Aiden Edwards
>How can this system not turn into a turbomaterialistic, consumerist, degenerate shithole in a decade?
How is providing everything for your people through welfare and holding their hand through life so they dont evolve, and then having to sterilize all the retards and fags you've created not degenerate? See this fucking pleb.
Samuel Carter
Personally I think over-consumerism is an issue created by large monopolistic corporations with massive advertising budgets and outlets worldwide. In a libertarian social order, you're getting small, local produce most of the time, small business that is.
Nathan Williams
National Socialism is a fucking laugh. Left wing parasitism parading itself around as "the most right wing ideology" gass yourself o wait, you never gassed anyone amiright?
Landon Collins
The modern marxist agenda is predictable, yet still gaining. I want to sink my dagger in to the flesh of this unholy beast. I'm salivating for amunition.
Bentley Mitchell
I think that consumerism isn't even a degenerate issue, it just gets degenerate because there was already degeneracy in the first place to capitalise on. Consumerism is stupid, I can agree on that, but inherently degenerate? Buying a new Iphone every year is stupid, yes, but degenerate?
Grayson Morgan
CRINGE.
Jeremiah Ross
H-Here I go
Christopher Taylor
>slave mindset >having high IQ chose one
Alexander Cook
If you really must, you should probably read leninists and tankies, more practical. labor value theory is total bullshit they can't defend.
Matthew Torres
My country blocks wiki, so here is what google gives me. >Consumerism is a social and economic order and ideology that encourages the acquisition of goods and services in ever-increasing amounts. I still advise you to neck yourself, degenerate. >people through welfare and holding their hand through life so they dont evolve >nd then having to sterilize all the retards and fags you've created not degenerate?
Okay fags, I'm literally just asking. Not up to debate, nor do I have any desire to counter your arguments. You lefties get defensive very quickly. > large monopolistic corporations But isn't that a byproduct of global economy which means no nation can enforce a closed market of its won? Which always seems like something libertarian, at least to me. Explain please.
Alexander Thompson
nice try subverter, nice try A libertarian never align with a socialist, you are trying to argue that libertarians are ok with 70~80% income tax e huge bureaucratization of the relation of the means of production
Gabriel Williams
How is buying more things degenerate? You sound like a fucking communist.
Ethan Wood
Consumerism is consuming for no other purpose than consuming, without carrying about quality or w/e related to the product and in the long run it's bad for society and consequently the market
Gabriel Collins
>tfw you posted an inflammatory image without meaning to it This is good, I got multiple laughs out of this mongolian basket.
Elijah Miller
face it bitch, you do everything exactly as the commies, with the same intent .
Forcing people to go to church at gunpoint does not make them godly or moral. Socialism and statism is the ulltimate degeneracy.
Joseph Rivera
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Hunter Perry
>being mad at the internet >being mad try again
Oliver Clark
We generally hold that monopolies, an inflation of the size of companies above the optimal size, is a result of market intervention - overregulation and cronyism giving too much power to big buisnesses over the people and smaller, local business. Under a competitive free market economy, monopolies can't develop, as there's no way for big companies to prevent competing companies - they can't simply walk up to their (((cronies))) in government and choke buisnesses they don't like with regulatory capture.
Jayden Collins
>>Consumerism is a social and economic order and ideology that encourages the acquisition of goods and services in ever-increasing amounts.
>Consumerism is consuming for no other purpose than consuming, without carrying about quality or w/e related to the product and in the long run it's bad for society and consequently the market So which is it? We need to get one definiton if we want to even start debating this. I know you're 2 different posters but still.
Jordan Perry
There's no freedom without Law and Order
No freedom without responsibility.
Thoughts?
Jaxson Nelson
The first one is just autistic, it makes sense if "ever-increasing amounts" consequently decreases quality, otherwise is pure socialism
Jason Thompson
>No freedom without responsibility. absolutely. I would even say freedom, morality and responsibility are the same thing.
Jacob Richardson
Is the 'spirit of the law' a librarian ideal?
Also: how do we spread this message effectively?
Jose Ward
nice.
Asher Smith
>hurr you are a commie I would love to be a heli pilot and give people free rides. >Forcing people to go to church at gunpoint does not make them godly or moral. Correct. But we should still gun down the faggots and insulters of other people's faith. Actually, specifically the one that is deeply ingrained to the culture of the nation. Other religious ideas can be criticized by the people that holds their values valiantly. A code of respect ,regarding how to talk about heretical ideas, can indeed be defined, depending on how civilized the people are but that is that. >overregulation and cronyism I see, that is a nice aspect. >If there is no state to support, bigcorps can't maintain their size. Wait, do you mean small state, or no state at all? Am I overreaching and assuming what you are implying?
Zachary Lopez
So if you don't act moral, you aren't free?
Nonsense. Freedom allows you to act immoral
Hudson Torres
You misrepresented what I fucking said, I'm not going to reply to you anymore.
Kayden Thomas
Keep up the good work, OP.
William Jones
I believe so. I also believe if we had a convincing message, it would be the message to erase all the leftist degenerate libertarians and ancaps for good.
Its hard to convince people, it seems mystical or religious to most people I talk to about it. The people who really need to understand it the most have an aversion to anything slightly righteous.
Nicholas Reyes
If you don't act moral bad things happen to you. if you binge on drugs and have gay anal sex alot you get sick and die. The only the living remnants are what we cal moral people. Its a naturally eugenic enviorment.
Lincoln Robinson
14888 when?
Adam Butler
>If you don't act moral bad things happen to you I disagree. Acting immoral benefits you, at the expense of the larger community.
Individualized benefits, socialized costs. That's the definition of "immoral".
Kevin Harris
I'm ready.
Caleb Collins
I personally believe their should be a state because of the grand chess board but it should be minimal as it was in the united states from the birth of our union to before the gilded age. I believe that their should be a heavy underpinning of society of Christianity or Hellenic Paganism that enforces social morality through group coercion; however, with that being said I believe that the government should not have the power to work alongside the church in enforcing social morality instead of ethical morality.
Ryan Carter
Autumn 2019 in Poland.
BTW we should get a Korwin image like this one or the Ron Paul or Hoppe ones.
That sounds all fine in the short run, but a person who steals and murders to get their way puts themself in extremely high risk situations where they will likely get stolen from, kidnapped or killed. these high risk people will often show up, but they will never replace generations as much as the medium to low risk/high success rate lifestyles, the idea is that we eliminate the institutions that garentee saftey for "immoral" generations. ie "the state" and they die out.
the free market WILL punish "degeneracy". quote me nerds.
Anthony Perez
can i get a quick rundown on librarianism?
Jace Jackson
>Small state Okay, let me entertain the idea. Taxes, yay or nay? Military, this is a problem. Small state cannot maintain a numerous and well supplied modern army in my opinion. Then, you will get invaded the fuck out. Which means your property getting plundered, your woman raped, your soil taken away and your rights into the trash where it belongs. Laws? I don't know about this one really. What do you think about these points?
Chase Perry
bite me cunt
"Huur the free market will make people MORE equal" "ANCAP TRAP HAREMS WHEN" "I just wanna be an ancap so I can do drugs a and be a degenerate"
>de·gen·er·ate >1. having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities considered normal and desirable; showing evidence of decline.
>2. an immoral or corrupt person.
>3. decline or deteriorate physically, mentally, or morally.
That is explicitly the fucking definition of the word you retard. we're not neetsoc fags who sperg about this shit and not knowing what we're talking about.
Nicholas Sanders
Are there limits to what could legally be considered property? Can human beings be property? Can land? Can a river be property? What about the water in the river? If I own a lake that drains into a river that you own, can I poison my lake? Can I charge you for the water? If you build a hydroelectric dam, can u demand the revenue since it uses water? Can society place an upper limit on how much can be owned? By natural law, can a man be said to own a piece of land he's never seen, or one that is thousands of miles away? Can a man own a thought? an idea? a species? a family? Can a man own debt? Does a man own himself? Can he sell himself? Can he bet his life? What about bloodsport? Can a man take his own life? Who inherits his debt? Can a village transfer all their debt to a man who then kills himself? Can a man sell the right to his own murder?
Connor Lee
Prediction is predicated on the assumption that people are (decent)
Meaningless without catharsis. Yet; Meaningless without. You are lost
Caleb Morgan
1. My freedom ends where your begins. 2. I think intelectual property wouldn't exist. 3. To own some abandoned plot of land you'd need to put work into it to make the claim legitimate. 4. Voluntary contracts have to be VOLUNTARY, that means consent from all groups involved.
Dylan Hughes
No property, capital gains, corporation, or personal income taxes at the national level. A low import or export tax would be fine(5-10%) to fund for a border defense system/navy. We shouldn't be the police men of the world.
Law, you have the right to do what you please as long it hurts no one. A societal underpinning of religion is necessary to maintain a kind society, religion and government should not touch.
Hunter Allen
Violence is bad, stealing is bad. the free market puts the most productive, honest and responsible people on the top of the hierarchy
"the free market" is when people act without theft, violence or threats, this includes the governing forces,. these acts of violence are what we call "Statism". we do want a sort of "goverment" but through the means we implement its voluntary and not "statism"
"property rights" are important to decide what is and isnt violence or theft.
Landon Rodriguez
>No property What? You mean property taxes r-right?
Aiden Ramirez
That's where you're wrong kiddo
Samuel Perry
You misunderstand, I expect indecent people. The indecent people "degenerates" are by definition in a stage of decline, they are the lowest class.
