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>Read Norwegian media
>"We need basic income! We must tax everyone even more so people can choose if they want to work!"
>"We must tax people more to reduce inequality"
>"How dare people struggle to get rich and leave it all to their kids? This must be stopped, it must be taxed and shared with everyone!"
>"We need the 6 hour work day! How? Tax people more so we can work less!"
They will never wake up, they can't ever resist the temptations of other people's property.

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Of course the luciferians are never going to stop. They need their one world government.

shut up.

as a single working man I pay over 50% of my income in taxes.
And it all goes to the ahmeds, the bamboulas and their 9 children.

You have it good.

Not completely wrong though. Here in Germany the richer you are the more tax loopholes you can exploit, to a point where you pay less than 5% taxes or even none. While regular hard workers pay ~50% taxes and struggle to save up enough money to buy a car or a house or start their own company.

stfu
redistribution works in a working society. if u dont tax in order to redistribute someone will own everyting one day just because interest of interest of the rich grows much faster than what u middle class worker ever achieve. plus those incomes arent really earned either.

red pill: money shouldnt be scarce for the government making taxation obsolete

That's why there should be as little taxes as possible, so that people stop avoiding them.

That's what democracy inevitably creates, because the poor outnumber the rich and can just vote themselves more money.

You need dictatorship to keep the poor from stealing.

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See, I don't even mind paying taxes (though I wouldn't mind paying less). The government provides us with services and infrastructure, the money has to come from somewhere. But why do I need to pay 50% while some faggot manager earns 500k per year and pays almost zero taxes?

And don't come with "b-but they are creating new jerbs" because they fucking don't. They buy property and fat yachts and cocaine from it. The system is utterly unfair and rigged for the upper class who has more than enough money already. Fucking kikes.

Somebody had to build that yacht and smuggle that cocaine didn't they?

Then you're left with desperate people due to low welfare, shit infrastructure and horrible healthcare.
Taxes makes å country to round. Without taxes everything would crumble unless you live in a area with many rich people willing to pay for roads, pipes, wires, police, fire, ems, hospitals, schools, old people homes, water and more.

How can some people not see that taxes build a country?

Mindless taxation and redistribution doesn't create a middle class you dumb fucking turk.

You think the millionaires and billionaires are affected by taxes?
They have an army of accountants, lawyers, bankers paid for that.

You know who gets fucked by those taxes?
The meager accountant working 12 hrs a day saying goodbye to that Spain vacation and probably killing himself/herself.

Taxes on income are fucking retarded, whoever supports that is the biggest piece of socialist shit.
Take your hands off my fucking money.

The taxes should be lower specifically because the rich can afford looking for loopholes, but average Joe cannot.

Uh huh, right. Because cocaine smugglers pay taxes, eh? Great logic you got there, burger.

>giving power to the government
Yeah nah, it will end bad.

Dictators are also suppose to remove dreidel.

>humans already struggle to share with their neighbours
>Sup Forums believes they will somehow unite in a nationalist utopia

This guy here gets it

Here, neighbor.

>Read Norwegian media
nrk.no/hordaland/historiene-fra-proverommet-du-ikkje-vil-hoyre-1.13611437
>One time it ran pee out of the stores locker room

This is where religion and ethics come in.
Of course the nihilistic, post modernist youth won't share shit, and always think about getting what others have.

Sure it does. But they aren't nothing but meatbags filled with blood either. You always have the power to change it.
And you can blame society for what the government does.
The power is in your hands. But most people like the current way of producing to consume.
People are lazy.

But what would the option be? No taxes? Then how do you get to work?

I thought that you have so much oil money that you don't give a fuck at this point?

>those incomes arent really earned
Here we fucking go. You need taxes, you can't have a free market, because Hans here doesn't think that they deserve their earnings. They must show themselves worthy to him before they can have any claim to their own property. They didn't sweat enough, so we must give their earnings to someone else. To someone who deserves it, someone who has really earned another's earnings.
What a great argument.
>if u dont tax in order to redistribute someone will own everyting one day just because interest of interest
Great English. Lets break that argument down.
>interest
You can only get through sound investments. So you need to choose the right companies to invest in, those that are going to increase in value thereby performing the service of capital allocation. Furthermore you provide the actual capital, and also take on the risk. The fact that interest exists as an emergent phenomenon is proof the system works, that investment in its existent form is mutually beneficial.

We don't. Some retards do.
The only thing that needs to change is for rich people to be taxes the same proportional amount as poorer people.
Someone making 30000 paying 30% taxes, while someone making 2000000 paying 10% isn't fair.
If anything it should be the opposite.
Complain about the concept of taxes is retardation.
Yes it started out as a shakedown system. But in modern society it is needed to maintain a high societal standard of living.

It's not fair that someone be forced to pay 22.222... times more for the same thing?
Yes, I agree.
>it's true we built our house on top of a swamp, but we need to renovate it or it will sink

Yeah, but we can only work so fast and it keeps sinking faster all the time. The real solution is ofc massive population reduction.

pay up whiteboi jamal needs to breed

It started as a shakedown. It is a shakedown. The fact you've built something on top of it changes nothing.
>The real solution
Is not building on top of a rotten foundation.

So what do you propose we do? No more taxes? Just enjoy the last of society before it crumbles to Somalia standards?

We've just pulled out the last planks keeping us afloat, so yes, you take a deep breath and try your damnedest to claw your way out.

It was justified with the theory of divine providence, on the "greater good" of the people, on social contract theory and now all of that is gone. Only the farce of fairness remains, everywhere as laughable as when you come here crying how it's not "fair" that someone ONLY pays 2122% more than another.

So yes, it is going to sink. You neglected the foundation.

The question was what new foundation you propose though.

No, he misunderstood the analogy and thought taxes the foundation instead of the house.
I'm no fan of taxes so I'm not going to mourn them. But if you want to keep them then you damn well need to justify them, as with any positive liberties. The simplest answer would be nationalism, the comfort that at least your money is going to further the interests of your people. Social contract theory was always a shitshow, and good luck trying for anything else now.

There are way too many people in the job market anyway. I want to work, many don't... I gladly pay more taxes if that freed up more jobs to apply to. I have a master degree in engineering and have applied to 300+ jobs and i am sick and tired of it. No job in a year of applying.

No, you have a simplistic view in your analogy.
The foundation is the infrastructure, the roads, the road lights, the tunnels, the bridges, the police, the fire brigades, the hospitals, the old people homes, the schools, the very things that allow society to prosper.
If you don't have taxes, those will all need to be privately funded.
If privately funded, the coverage will be minimal in society.
Areas with few rich people willing to pay for the poor will be left to rot. Leading to high levels of poverty and despair, leading to high levels of crime. High levels of crime leads to low sense of community. Low sense of community leads to more disenfranchised people who will try and get what they feel they deserve or want by any means possible. Leading to the rich paying for security and security becoming violent, leading to more violent offenders.
Literally Somalia.

In Somalia. You have luxurious neighborhoods, big mansions with plumbing, sewage systems, electricity and power stations, shops with wide selection of foods of high quality.

But that's the minority. The majority of the country is filled with dirt roads, crumbling buildings, no sewage systems. Unsafe electrical systems. Few schools, hospitals, police and other such services.

If you want to take the analogy, you should think of taxes as the foundation of the houses, the house isn't the state. The house is society as a whole. Ignore one corner of it and it will quickly fall into despair and spread to the other corners of the house and now only a fraction of the house is safe to live in. While the rest is filled with people who want to kill you.

Human nature is brutality. To ease that, we need high standards of living and a sense of community. To achieve that you need people to have their needs met.
You can't do that with private funding because the catch 22 of the process I mentioned above. The rich will become distanced from the poor and will use their resources to achieve that.

>C-COCAINE SMUGGLER IS A LEGITIMATE FORM OF P-PROFESSION
Amerishart lolbertarian spotted.

>Here in Germany the richer you are the more tax loopholes you can exploit
It's the same in nearly every country and there's really no way to fix it. The first country to change it would be punished by those businessmen and they'd move somewhere that allowed them keep most of their money.

>you're misinterpreting your own analogy!
geez, bud, you're insufferable.
>wall of text
Wrong. Frontier societies had extremely strong communities. Cities have always been notoriously impersonal while having by far the strongest infrastructure. There is no strong causative link between public services and a sense of community. Certainly not in that direction, or to that effect.
>If privately funded
People will just save money instead, and help their elders. Just as was the case before the damn Germans started the pension experiment.

Have you considered moving elsewhere?

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No, I am married with kids.

Well... I have applied for jobs in the whole of norway and a few in sweden, but not more than that.

>frontier communities.
You are reinforcing my points.
It only works in small communities. It don't work in a big society.
I said it before above. Population reduction is needed.
Frontier communities existed at a time of under 1 billion humans on earth. Also at a time of cheap technology and without the standard of living we have today.
It won't work today because the technology is becoming more advanced. Roads are more advanced, plumbing is more advanced, and so on.

No, people won't save money. They will need to spend more, because you can't have a thriving society towards prosperity without the backbones of society.

Fucking retard.

Yes there is a link of public services and a sense of community in modern society. Without it you have stuff like the shanty towns of south Africa. They have a sense of community amongst themselves, to a degree. But not within society!

You need a strong society you fuck. Or you will end up with small communities and that is Somalia tier shit. You fucking Swedes, literally campaigning to turn the country into a Somalia type country.

>nigger example
We were talking about society, not a zoo.
> It don't work in a big society
What doesn't? A sense of community? Of course not.

High taxes is a symptom of stagnation.