Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Andrew Rivera
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Jeremiah Flores
Communism was Jewish, Communism is Jewish, and Communism will always be Jewish.
The famine that killed 7 million wasn't just because of him. Kaganovich was the one convicted of it. Yagoda himself was murdered in 1938 in the Great Purge.
Sebastian Johnson
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Isaiah Stewart
Tell me, how easy it is to destroy a communist state?
Kevin Kelly
>the severely autistic spainiard makes the daily punching bag thread yet again
You are stuck in an infinite loop of shit and piss you retarded faggot
Luke Carter
OP you never disappoint, because you're always a faggot, SAGE.
Levi Garcia
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Cameron Anderson
>Keep pushing communist threads on Sup Forums >Can't understand why communism has never been successfully implemented on any country ever
I do admire your futile optimism though. Doesn't make you any less of an idiot.
Leo Davis
Just don't reply, and if you are, don't give him the (You)s
Christian Fisher
Communism is stateless.
Isaac Russell
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Joshua Lee
Communism is Jewish.
Liam Powell
>that shitty MS paint job. lol
Isaac Lee
Don't give him the (You)s, just let him be a retard, guy has a thick skull.
Austin Price
If all you have are shitty anime pics to attempt to prove your point, you've failed.
Here, have another quote proving Communism is Jewish.
I'm not doing this for his benefit, I'm doing it so others will know that Communism is Jewish.
Hudson Clark
Fairly easy. It destroys itself within a decade or less
Justin Brooks
I have never been convinced with anything you guys keep throwing at me, is just a varied collection of fallacies what I have seen so far.
Elijah Morris
>I have never been convinced with anything you guys keep throwing at me That's because your beliefs don't reside in the realms of facts, logic and truth.
>is just a varied collection of fallacies what I have seen so far. Dismissing the evidence because you don't like it is a fallacy.
If you would just say that "Communism is Jewish and I'm fine with that" it would be one thing.
But you want us to believe "Communism isn't Jewish" because you know support of the Jew doesn't fly here.
Brayden Stewart
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Cameron Davis
Westerners wouldnt last a week even in a mild communist state. Keep theorizing though.
Ethan Anderson
How do you expect me to believe that quote if it doesn't even include the sources
Hunter Sanders
Try again. Communism is stateless.
Ryder Perry
You know very well that "stateless society" is a silly meme
Bentley Adams
>You know very well that "stateless society" is a silly meme
how so? Is part of the definition.
Nolan James
Ever wonder why Lenin a Jew drove around in his own luxurious Rolls-Royce while preaching Communism?
Caleb Jackson
>How do you expect me to believe that quote if it doesn't even include the sources You'd dismiss the source out of hand even if it was sourced.
I dunno dude, Vietnam is technically a sovereign state. Burma is a sovereign state. The USSR was a sovereign state. PR China is a sovereign state. North Korea is a sovereign state. Last time i checked, these were all communist states. Therefor, communism is not stateless.
Grayson Scott
communism is just a Jewish long scam. Every murderous one on them Jews no matter how hard they tried to cover their origin
Jackson Martin
Jews are stateless
Aaron Ross
It's inherently self contradictory because any post-hunter-gatherer society will require some form of management. It doesn't matter if you call it state or workers union or whatever, there will always be people who tell other people what to do and how to live.
Joshua Williams
let's talk venezuela
Asher Jackson
Nigger
Chase Hernandez
Murdered? Strange word for found guilty
Aiden Sanders
Guilty Jews
Jaxson Mitchell
Under Communism, the people and the economy exist to serve the State.
Under Capitalism, the people and the state exist to serve the Economy.
Under National Socialism, the economy and the state exist to serve the People.
Justin Roberts
>I dunno dude, Vietnam is technically a sovereign state. Burma is a sovereign state. The USSR was a sovereign state. PR China is a sovereign state. North Korea is a sovereign state.
Socialist states and a communist society are different things
Camden Rogers
>Socialist states and a communist society are different things ...Because you say so.
Just like you say "Communism isn't Jewish but there's nothing wrong with the Jews either."
Adrian Cruz
You're world view is predicated upon the belief in redistribution of wealth, or not put so abstractly theft. It's literally a Jewish con job. Jews at the top
Ethan Evans
Why do you clinge into communism when you could adopt the next stage of humanity following the communist stage?
Connor Miller
Even if there were a global communist society, it'd still require "organizers" who make sure that supply chains are not interrupted, that certain unpopular jobs are done, that the right amount of food is delivered to the right places, etc etc. So we are back atAlso, due to the fact that "organizers" are needed, the "classless" aspect of communism also becomes nothing more than a silly meme because now society is split into organizers and the organized.
Leo Robinson
I think OP is talking about the final anarcho-utopian form of communism which has never been reached by humans. I think ancestors of modern humans who foraged for food may have been communists.
Robert Campbell
You say that, but what you do not realize is that communism is just not possible. It goes against human nature. Communism would thrive in a society run by a hive-mind species, say ants or honey bees. But Humans are not a hive mind. We're an individualistic species with individual personalities and individual wishes, needs and traits. Yes, you're right in saying all communist states so far didn't follow "real communism", but it's not for the reason you think. It's because communism doesn't fucking work for humans.
Get a fucking job. Have children. Contribute to society instead of creating the same thread over and over and over again, hoping that people will suddenly agree with you, so that you can start another shithole society which is doomed to kill off everyone it houses. Stop being a fucking contrarian because "i am cool right?", and start thinking realistically.
Gabriel Allen
you inbreed retard, just look at venezuela for a minute and then tell here that communism has never been tried!
>communism is dumb shit for inbreed retard, social loser and other degenerates
Bentley Perry
>Anti-Communist >Communist flag wut
Aiden Adams
Both of these are spot on. Again I suggest anyone who thinks they 'like' communism go take part in a country transitioning into the final form of communism. Its going to be a nightmare.
Jack Wilson
Are you currently self-employed or working in a coop or commune?
Daniel Wood
The "organizers" aren't corruptible humans. Is a cybernetic infrastructure (computerized planned economy) that automatically assists the community and it's designed to serve communism and to be resilient to sabotage. The creation of such a network started in the soviet Union but was never carried out by the politburo and no doubt contributed to the fall of the soviet union. You can read about it searching for OGAS.
There is no classes in such a scenario, only the community as a whole and the technology they use to organize themselves collectively and not as a stratified society of classes, humans and mindless yet thinking for us machines.
Isaac Watson
And you must understand that communism is a very advanced form of society after generations of socialism, it doesn't happen right away, it can't, you need to change the whole world into socialist states, you got to gradually suppress the coercive elements of society, etc
Angel Jackson
>Is a cybernetic infrastructure (computerized planned economy) that automatically assists the community and it's designed to serve communism and to be resilient to sabotage There's nothing preventing a fascist or capitalist nation from using these same AI's to run their nations more efficiently (and in the case of the fascist nations, they would actually be more efficient than the communist nations).
Austin Wilson
I notice how you completely ignore the evidence that proves Communism is Jewish.
Why is that?
Do you like Jews?
Jaxson Hernandez
That's the most commie answer you could have come up with with, bravo. Well I guess we just postpone this whole communism thingy until we are post-singularity.
Justin Ramirez
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Asher Edwards
I come back here every once in a while to tell the spaniard he is wasting his life trying to make the case for an impossible system, but each and every time i explain to him why this system doesn't work, he never replies. He knows he is wrong, but he is in complete denial. I hope he'll realize the state of the world some day
Jayden Morgan
If you create a society of hell for some people they will rebel one way or another, and you won't make it perfect enough to prevent it, fascism requires masters and slaves, since it is a classes society.
Grayson Gutierrez
>If you create a society of hell aka Communism or Socialism
>for some people they will rebel one way or another, So that explains the Gulags.
> fascism requires masters and slaves, Not that we'd take the opinions of Fascism from a Communist.
> since it is a classes society. Of one, united homogeneous people in which the government puts the welfare of the people before anything else.
Seriously though...why are you ignoring me? Is it because I proved Communism is Jewish and you don't like that?
James Clark
>If you create a society of hell for some people You're acting like that's the intention of fascism.
>and you won't make it perfect enough to prevent it Artificial Intelligence?
>fascism requires masters and slaves Which is the natural state of humanity. We have understood this since our earliest civilizations, Confucius himself even codified it into a sort of religion/philosophy.
Angel Morgan
>Which is the natural state of humanity.
It might be for now, some of use are working to make change that, you sure are not.
Ryder King
>since it is a classes society. Any post-singularity society would be classless because AI's would be able to produce stuff 24/7 for literally no costs.
The moment you went for 'we just need god-machines to make communism work' you kinda killed the whole discussion because now anything can work.
Joshua Peterson
I have yet to see a reason it ought to be changed.
Jaxson Turner
>communism general
Trotskyites out
Jacob Green
They can't do anything without the Lord. Trust me, time is running out.
it has been proven that humans act diffrently in diffrent circumstances, choose another argument. a new one for that because the left has already given answers too most points.
no, i refuse too participate in a system that torn the lives of many of my friends and family.
Jace Reed
>it has been proven that humans act diffrently in different circumstances And yet we have never seen a successful society without property and hierarchy.
Bentley Martin
>getting into an argument with a retarded commie kid that lost this same debate already 20 times before and keeps pretending to be retarded and baiting for replies with naive questions and brainless commie phrases so you bump his shitpost thread he believes is going to give attention to his retarded religion
David Turner
why cant we just have capitalism with a mix of socialism (like we already have, cause you know, we already all pay for the roads everyone drives on)
Xavier Brown
You don't give a machine an artificial general intelligence if you don't want it to rule over you by the same reasons some humans rule over others by selfish capricious decisions, the system I'm talking about is the opposite of that, machines are always to serve us is, I'm not talking of a god-machine, you don't make that unless you want trouble, that's why I say they are mindless machines
Kevin Martin
For Commies: What's the difference in Communist terms between 'The State' and 'The Worker's Collective'?
Cuz I've always heard the State described as 'A collection of the masses that are occasionally polled to determine where the society is headed'. But then I hear An-Coms talk about how they're going to get rid of the State and replace it with 'A collection of the workers that are occasionally polled to determine where the society is headed'.
Sebastian Ross
you mean the more primitive society's that lived in communist-like, and yes even the leaders in such societys worked with the people.
people have lived like this for a long time, why are people denying these examples?
Nicholas Jones
>you mean the more primitive society's that lived in communist-like Are you talking about the tribalistic hunter-gatherer societies that warred with each other, had chiefs as rulers, and took slaves? THOSE examples?
David Johnson
ancoms only have hyrachies if they are justified.
example: if in war times, you want to create a communist like society via anarchism, you need a voluntary army which then would be justified.
Jose Edwards
yes kinda, you asked for an example in which everybody (even the chief) worked for the tribe/society.
"they took slaves". look at history and be reasonable. slavery was common practice then.
Nicholas James
Notice that he said communist-like, not that they were literally communist societies, and they had chief and leaders naturally but not a state or money for example
Ian Miller
Collective means the land seized by state from individual farmers who now work for the state.
Jayden Smith
The Black Book Of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression
in this Ancom society, what would happen if say two people got together and said 'we're going to start selling widgets to other people for their widgets'? i.e. tried to create a market
Alexander Bennett
No matter how much you try to shill, you and your ilk belong in the dustbin of history. Grow up already.
Cite a more trustworthy and factual source please.
Lincoln Morales
It's just when you're only example of "successful communism" is one that neither has the characteristics of communism nor is desirable in any way then I don't know why you even bother to use it as an example. Unless you're an anarcho-primitivist then I don't see how these societies help your case.
James Jackson
>No matter how much you try to shill, you and your ilk belong in the dustbin of history. Grow up already. Yes, we know you jewish communists want to exterminate the White race.
Blake Sullivan
Finally someone replying. Just too bad it's a larper.
You're right when you're saying that humans act differently in different circumstances, but i will not change my argument, because you have not refuted it. All you did was say "they've already answered it".
People act differently based on their environments, but that does not change consequences. The consequence of living in a communist shithole where everyone is living in poverty, that is. I will give you the goodie point that a semi-communist system is possible in very VERY small communities, of let's say... 10 people. And the sense of community on such a small scale might as well be called tribalism instead. Now, in this small society, """communism""" becomes gradually more and more impossible as more and more people are added to the community. Eventually the community becomes a society of several communities, and eventually an entire nation. That's how it has always worked. And as more people come to this society, the less people will start sharing, and be more fixated on their own valuable possessions. From there currency will become a thing, and first then has the communist dream completely been smashed.
I say again; Communism is impossible, as it goes against human nature. We are too individualistic.
Also, let's be honest with ourselves here. Had you lived in a communist state, then your friends and family would've been dead from malnutrition long ago.
Says the ilk that belongs in the dustbin of history.
Brody Morgan
I guess is useful for when you got to point out other forms that human societies can be like when capitalists claim that capitalism is the 'natural' state of humanity, so to mean that in fact humans can organize in ways that might seem unnatural and unusual historically
Luke Cook
Human nature is malleable.
Jayden Wilson
How many states with a nazi government exist today?
Andrew Ward
>Human nature is malleable. You're sounding like a character out of 1984.
You ever read that?
It's supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.
William Smith
Also nazis are national socialists party of germany, it can only exist in germany and there is no nazi government in germany left.
