Name 1 thing that Stalin did wrong.
>Defended his country against invading barbarians
>Annexed new territory to ensure the security of the nation
>Brought back traditional values that Lenin tried to eliminate (outlawed homosexuality, allowed a limited amount of religion, etc)
>Sent all the undesirables and shitskins to the gulag
>Increased the living standard of the average soviet citizen x10 if not more as well as 100% literacy
Things that aren't arguments
>muh holodomor
Exaggerated and everyone who died either starved because they burned their own crops or because they were punished for it
>muh stalin was going to invade Europe, Hitler was only trying to save Europe from gommunism
There is absolutely no proof of this and the USSR was not going to be ready for a major war for 10+ years
Name 1 thing that Stalin did wrong
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>Holodomor
I remember learning about that during school and when I asked the teacher why they didnt just co-operate with the state instead of starving themselves to death everyone looked at me like like I was retarded and it's stuck with me all these years.
Don't you know?
You must oppose evil governments unless they are our allies.
>Annexed new territory to ensure the security of the nation
You are retarted.
>Brought back traditional values that Lenin tried to eliminate (outlawed homosexuality, allowed a limited amount of religion, etc)
You are retarted.
>Sent all the undesirables and shitskins to the gulag
Physically eliminated all of his (potential) enemies. That is a sign of a great leader. He fucked over people who whorshiped him.
>Increased the living standard of the average soviet citizen x10 if not more as well as 100% literacy
Tbf the living standarts were pretty low in the 1920s. WW1 was a catastrophy.
>I remember learning about that during school and when I asked the teacher why they didnt just co-operate with the state instead of starving themselves to death everyone looked at me like like I was retarded and it's stuck with me all these years.
How did they not think of that.I guess they were pretty stupid, lol!
>There is absolutely no proof of stalin was going to invade Europe
Yeah, I guess Hittler opened a new front because he was stupid. Jeez, if only there was a 14 year old edgelord to tell him winters in Russia are harsh.
>because they were punished for it
So in other words, the government starved people?
Good job proving yourself wrong retard.
>So in other words, the government starved people?
people exist to starve for their government
Yes, just like Americans were punished for dodging the draft for example.
If your actions endanger the existence of the nation you will be generally punished in any country.
He didn't kill all of the Russians.
Let's see:
Oppressed his own people, killed dissidents, people that wanted freedom from his grip and anyone that dared to speak negatively of him, was a massive fucking hypocrite, a liar, and all around the whole soviet union was like a huge prison with cheap propaganda speakers around every corner with only a small percentage of people believing in this shit ideology whole thing either just shrugged it off and try to love to their best extent.
No, it's not just like that. There is a spectrum of evil governments. 1930s USSR and 1960s USA are not comparable in the evil they've done to the world.
Also, I sincerely fucking hope every single commie that exists dies. They are massive hypocrite, blind to reality and if to be honest, they are leeches on they working class they oh so "desperately" want to "help".
I take it you don't accept anything described in the gulag archipelago as fact then. Stalin was insanely paranoid of his own people. He saw enemies everywhere, persecuted thought crimes, and raped the concept of innocent until proven guilty to death. Don't forget the tribunals that operated without oversize and controls from any official government departments.
Stalin was a piece of shit who cause the collapse of his own country. Once the filthy commies uprooted the bourgeois, they mercilessly attacked the upper tier of workers. Scores of engineers and land owning farmers were swallowed up by the system. All accused of "wrecking.". One by one, they discover each class that they considered higher then themselves. Them they started to capitalize and attack their fellow comrades. With all sincerity, get the Fuck out of here win that shit. For all the shit the world gives Hitler, Stalin was millions of times worse.
It was necessary for the industrialization that was vital to the survival of the state.
Sometimes you must sacrifice to ensure that your children have a country in the future.
Also, I sincerely fucking hope every single commie that exists dies. They are massive hypocrite, blind to reality and if to be honest, they are leeches on they working class they oh so "desperately" want to "help".
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>Defended his country against invading barbarians
>his country
Continued breathing after he was born
You want to sacrifice shit? How about I sacrifice your dirty lying fucking ass to Satan you fucking dipshit leech.
The only thing commies do is pretend to help the working class, while just sitting on their ass all day and be "part of the party effort comrade" while leeching off of the people's work, basically demoting everyone to the pleb class while they become the new elite class they pretend to fight.
Commies deserve no mercy, because they won't give you any if it was the opposite situation.
Was expelled from Tbilisi seminary for being a retard.
>ran out of arguments so resorting to memes and rhetoric
>Commies deserve no mercy, because they won't give you any if it was the opposite situation.
I'm sorry but that's not acceptable in a democratic and tolerant society.
This
Georgia is rightful russian/soviet territory.
>people starved themselves to death
of course the leaf is a fucking commie
You're first post is meme. You commie bastards really did fuck up when you abandoned the Socratic method in favor of critical theory. Go eat a dick and ask yourself why you are such a faggot to learn what I mean.
Being a communist is enough to do everything wrong.
OH fuck off, you're fucking weasels, just like the fucking Muslims. Lying through their teeth, crying victim everytime anyone dares to criticize or see through their lies.
Stalin was the next best thing to you know who, pol. He opposed them more viciously than any German could. When the USSR began, it was full of them. Stalin massacred everyone, especially them, until his government was full of Stalinmen. He crushed banking in 1/3 of the worlds landmass, opposed the ((West)) and was merciless towards traitors, capitalists, and hardcore leftists like Trotsky. He slaughtered Trotsky and his globalist ilk due to disgust. Stalin may have been a commie, but he ruled like a king. He hated globalism, even though he treated most races equally. The USSR was Russian, and it would stay Russian, with Russian culture, strong men, nuclear families, and undying patriotism for the Motherland. The filthy subhuman socialism in the West today is the poison of Trotsky and Lenin, basically what Stalin did the opposite of. The USSR is so smart that they used Trotsky's incompatible communism to destabilized the West even after their own collapse. The greatest false flag of all time. Stalin is hated by them because he was right. Without him, the USSR did not defeat the west, until now. He did literally nothing wrong.
He killed 9000 trillion ukrainians.
Said who?
>You are retarded
What an amazing argument, OP BTFO, surely he will never recover from this
His death should be a damn world wide holiday.
>Yes, just like Americans were punished for dodging the draft for example.
No one was starved to death for dadging the draft. You just said that Stalin didnu nuffin while in the same sentence claimed he was punishing them. Thats how retarded you are user.
I shouldnt be surprised considering the low IQ required to actually shill for a failed meme of an ideology that is gommunism
Good job, shlomo. Couldn't have said it better myself.
You get send to jail for it.
>attempt to sabotage the nation
>some starve
>the rest get sent to jail for doing it
Somehow Stalin is the one in the wrong here.
fun fact: the first person in the west to hear of his death, including before most of Russia, was an american airman stationed in Germany who was monitoring radio chatter from soviets. That Airman was Johnny Cash
>You get send to jail for it.
yeah, which isnt starvation. Yeah! your little pea brain is finally on the verge of learning!
>>some starve
7 million people, due to direct action of the government, as you yourself stated. Seriously, how fucking stupid are you to claim the government dindu nuffin and in the SAME SENTENCE claim the government was punishing people?
>1 thing
Falling for the "Sea Lion" gambit of Hitler and the OKW. Watutin, Timoshenko, even Zhukov and many of agency information told him that Germany's army was mounting for a preemptive strike against Stalin's Red Army deployment against Germany since summer 1940.
By March 1941 intel should've convinced Stalin to pursue defensive measures. He didn't order them, he pressed the offensive deployment and hundrets of thousands young Red Army souldiers paid this with their lives and 3 million went into POW internment.
bye lefty
The starvation was not the punishment, they starved due to their own decision to burn the food because they didn't want the government to take it.
>The nation requires food to industrialize so you can get better standards of living in the future and a strong army to defend the motherland
>REEEEE you can't take my food you damn commies *burns crops*
>starves
>wtf Stalin why didn't you help me
>I asked the teacher why they didnt just co-operate with the state that already starved millions through forced collectivization
Gulag yourself.
So in other words, Stalin starved 7 million people as punishment for not submitting to his will. Also, the idea that Stalin starved 7 million people is western lies? hahaha got it.
OH wow, Stalin massacred Jews because reasons, he wasn't a total hypocrite for doing that while having a whole party of the country dedicated to Jews exclusively.
Look up Jewish autonomous oblast in Russia.
>If your actions endanger the existence of the nation
But nearly every other country on earth allowed the ownership of private property and pursuit of free enterprise. It clearly wasn't a "threat to the nation" and you're a disingenuous retard if you actually believe the Soviet economic model was anything other than a complete disaster. There's a reason that shithole collapsed and it isn't "muh cabitalist sabotage."
Every other european country industrialized without the bullshit that the soviet union put its own citizens through. You're an imbecile.
Every other nation was not in the state that Russia was in during the early 1900s.
It was literally 50+ years behind in terms of industry, technology, education, etc. The imperial government did not collapse for no reason.
Wtf I support Israel now.
Based Jew :DD
Marx and Bolsheviks weren't pro-gay either, they just allowed private homosexuality, since how do you punish something that you don't know about?
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>Marx and Engels were personally homo-phobic
Difference is that Stalin punished homosexuals, while Lenin punished only public display of homosexuality.
Didn't save Roosevelt from Churchill and avert a 50 year cold war
It collapses because of because of jewish bolsheviks.
This.
I fucking hate commies. They show no mercy to their foes, yet expect them to be merciful. A shame Batista didn't execute Fidel and the Tsar didn't execute Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin.
It's not like the state was the reason they were starving in the first place or anything.
I mean, who did the Soviet gouvernment truly force to yield all property. I mean come on, they didn't do that. Surely you know this and completely agree.
Come on.
You know it.
>sabotage the nation
Holy shit commies really are fucking pathetic. Is a group of poor farmers who think that your government isn't the best are fucking terrorists trying to assassinate the whole ruling elite?
It was royals who ruined economy and demographics.
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>leading to the overthrow of the Tsar
>was replaced by a Russian Provisional Government under Prince Georgy Lvov
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>The February Revolution had toppled Tsar Nicolas II of Russia, and replaced his government with the Russian Provisional Government. However, the provisional government was weak and riven by internal dissension. It continued to wage World War I, which became increasingly unpopular. A nationwide crisis developed in Russia, affecting social, economic, and political relations. Disorder in industry and transport had intensified, and difficulties in obtaining provisions had increased. Gross industrial production in 1917 had decreased by over 36% from what it had been in 1914. In the autumn, as much as 50% of all enterprises were closed down in the Urals, the Donbas, and other industrial centers, leading to mass unemployment. At the same time, the cost of living increased sharply. Real wages fell about 50% from what they had been in 1913. Russia's national debt in October 1917 had risen to 50 billion rubles. Of this, debts to foreign governments constituted more than 11 billion rubles. The country faced the threat of financial bankruptcy.
>Leon Trotsky who told them "You are pitiful isolated individuals; you are bankrupts
Tsar was betrayed by his own kind who then failed in economy like Tsar and they were removed all-together by new non-monarchy revolution. Russia had many revolutions because of poor conditions.
Russia economy has tripled from 1870s to early 1910s.
Big whoop. There wasn't any going down from the shit the Tsar pulled and anyone with a college degree could've fixed it. If it weren't communist, it would've still industrialized and the economy would've grown, just slower since with commies everyone was a slave to the state.
Yes, even worse they are trying to kill the people and threatening national security by stopping weapon production and industrialization.
Hope you goyim are enjoying this thread, just remember, it was brought to you by Jews.
>just slower since with commies everyone was a slave to the state
If it was any slower Germany would have won WWII.
>Didn't kill off poles
Weak
OH NO, THE SLAVES DON'T WANT TO BE SLAVES ANYMORE! THAT'S OK, WE HAVE A LOT MORE, KILL THEM!
Or you know, if we had capitalistic democratic monarchy in Russia we could skip the WW2.
>implying you didn't lose because of your volition
What is the west supplying all of your weapons and resources to make your own weapons
>Anglo sources
The eternal Jewish Anglo who wanted Israel for 1000 years is saying who is Jewish.
Now make up your mind now, was religion banned or not. If it was, then no Jews can be in positions.
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> Most of the 5,000 synagogues functioning prior to the Bolshevik Revolution were closed under Stalin, and others were closed under Khrushchev. The practice of Judaism became very difficult, intensifying the desire of Jews to leave the Soviet Union.
You got it reverse, American/Anglo lies that Jews are a race have origin after Socialism ended. Nobody though of Jews as race, so we can no label everybody a Jew. Bolsheviks didn't do anything Jewish, they removed synagogues and banned circumcision, unlike USA or England who build Synagogues, enabled circumcision and created Israel, all in name of Jesus.
>put political dissidents in gulag
>not completely fucked up
>similar totalitarian actions as Hitler
>somehow, Nazi's are "barbarians" Soviets aren't
lmao the cognitive dissonance is huge here.
>believing the German pretext of we invaded because communism
They just wanted territory and would have invaded anyways if any extrimist came to power which was pretty much inevitable due to Versailles.
A meme, most of the weapons used by the soviets were soviet made and most of lend lease was sent to the UK.
The Tsar deserves blame for hurting the economy with WWI but it was the democratic regime and the pre-Stalin soviet government that really ran the place into the ground.
Is right, before WWI Russia was industrializing and strengthening, not declining.
Stalin is the man who stole the soviet union from the jews. That is certainly something.
Now of course the KGB-funded subversion in the west included this liberal narrative that soviet totalitarianism was acceptable whereas western one wasn't.
lol, are you fucking retarded? the russians as you know today weren't even bred when the North Caucasian peoples dwelled in their mountains
Monarchy were dictators too, but biggest dictators are democrats, since they pretend they do good, but only create problems and steal money.
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>By the time the United States ended its Southeast Asian bombing campaigns, the total tonnage of ordnance dropped approximately tripled the totals for World War II.
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>By the late summer of 1944, soon after the invasion of Normandy, women in Normandy began to complain about rapes by American soldiers.
Hey kiddo, it's just democracy, 5 war per decade, it's democracy, nobody died, btw did you know that Soviets killed 300 million? Here's my American anti-Communist explanation on YouTube.
Stalin was a monster but still better than (((Trotsky))).
The tsar was in the jews' sights since some Alexander I derailed the Rothschilds attempt at creating a NWO by rejecting their central bank and establishing the holy alliance.
They never forgot this and always sought vengeance.
It literally says it wasn't Soviets:
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>Russia's national debt in October 1917 had risen to 50 billion rubles.
Next question.
all commies are amoral religious zealots with no regard for human life, emporical evidence, or even good economics
You're the moral equivalent of a neonazi worshipping Hitler
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Do you know what GDP is? That's monetary system of international central banks and their stocks, nothing to do with Soviet Union. What has salary and GDP even got to do with how much you can buy? Lets see a more realistic representation of wealth than GDP nonsense. If you can't buy you have personal debt, now picture related we see who doesn't has money even when they have 20 times higher salary than some others who can buy everything.
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Seized power in a country to create a totalitarian regime and fucked his own people in the process.
After the revolution Russia continued to weaken. You guys lost territory and had massive famines up to at least the 30s, until Stalin's industrialization.
t. economic illiterate
GDP measures productive output, not income. Household debt measures household debt. On its own it doesn't say shit about either the productive capacity or the income of a country.
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Ukraine isn't known for fertile grounds, never was, maybe we should look at previous famines before revolution or were they even noticed or name famine? Probably not, kings didn't care about such thing, but we can look life expectancy.
Of course kingcucks will claim everybody lived less because of death births and some hocus pocus, but at same time claim that Soviets didn't improve medical system. So pick now your option: did Soviet improve the system to cause less dead births or not. Maybe it was king's famine.
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>GDP measures productive output, not income.
Arguable.
The only thing GDP really measures is the turnover of existing money.
>Ukraine isn't known for fertile grounds, never was,
>who are the kulaks? don't remember genociding them for being capitalist pigs :^)
>arguable
Not really, especially not when PPP is adjusted for
>measure the turnover
not only does it measure things bought and sold, it also measures things produced
WWI was caused by anarchists assassinating Franz Ferdinand
WWII was caused by Nazis and Soviets invading Poland.
North Vietnamese deaths was 1/16 (6.25%) of population, less than Germany (8%) in WWII, and less than the Soviet Union (12%), and less than Poland (17%).
The Vietnam war killed fewer Americans than the American Civil war did.
Yea sure, democracy clearly kills so many more people and causes all those wars. You sure showed me!
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You are literally retarded. So by your logic the most top bank on this planet produces.
What do they produce? Money? Is printing money and imaginary credits production? All your GDP aggregates to central bank, which means the central bank has the highest GDP. By your logic the boss of Microsoft produces GDP. No, he produces jack shit, he's only the boss. Banks only decide how big GDP is, how much something is valued, maybe they can value your shit to billion dollars, that doesn't makes it more valuable by actual production, it's only more valuable by GDP.
hey retards
you can't really blame the economic or political system for wars. They're more an expression of the will of the leaders of those countries.
Not to mention it isn't like the Communists had any blame in Vietnam or Korea! It's not like they were fueling the wars with arms or anything!