Non-Greeks BTFO

Ancient DNA proves that modern Greeks are related to the first Hellenic civilizations- the Minoans and the Myceneans

popular-archaeology.com/issue/summer-2017/article/ancient-dna-reveals-minoan-and-mycenaean-origins

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How varg shitkernes and his fags can recover from this?

btfo nordcucks

Don't get me wrong, moder Greece sucks compared to our ancestors. I just posted this because it proves to niggers, Turks and nordicucks that were aren't mixed with turks or slavs as they claim. We are direct descendants of the people who started western civilization.

Doesn't matter.You are the same people you were back then.


I just like to make nordcucks mad because of all this we wuz

It actually seems like modern Greeks have more north/steppe/siberian ancestry than those Myceneans which is probably the exact opposite of what albino wewuzers thought. In PCAs they actually overlap Sicilians and Ashkenazis.

My man! You better reveal that flag I wanna see where you're from.

Greeks and Armenians have had genetic continuity for a long ass time. I think Armenians have had it for some 3 thousand years, I cant remember. I wouldn't be surprised if Greeks were similar.

The turkish rape babe myth is prevalent only in turkey, where in the majority of the population is a bastard mix of Greeks and Armenians with mongols.

Numbers of truth senpai.

but yeah looking at the Crete_Armenoi sample I'd say Greeks are likely the same as Iron age ones i.e post bronze age collapse
perhaps later Dorians added the additional north/steppe/siberian ancestry present in modern Greeks, all these samples are pre bronze age collapse after all

Finally an American who speaks the truth. Most Americans here think that South Europeans are 50% nigger

>tfw Neapolitan ancestors had a Hellenic surname and were from a Greek-founded city

Makes me feel better about having guinea blood desu

It just means that the Greeks aren't true Aryans by descent and they got language cucked by Nordic looking Indo-European conquerors.

I suspect that was the key to ancient Greek success. Greeks aren't deficient in intelligence, they're deficient in discipline and organization and northern conquerors could provide that as long as they remained masters. Over time the Aryans mixed with the locals and the order that the masters provided was lost.

Whats the relationship between Greece and Armenia? Yall cool?

I'd like to see samples from the classical age too
However Davidski literally expected Myceneans to be Slavs lol

This is exactly what happened in Sparta. Modern greeks are descendants of the Pelasgians. The afro-asiatic people who was indigenous to Greece before the dorian-achaen invasions.

Sounds more like India than Greece

No

It just means Western civilization was built by olive skin people and not by the nordniggers.It's really funny who varg claims that Greeks were blonde.

ever wonder why the Armenian holocaust goes unrecognized? because they are the true white jews before the abrahamic corruption

Olive skin people who created democracy, pederasty, usury, mass slavery, sophistry, etc. When is this greek meme going to stop? They created nothing but degeneracy.

And daily reminder that Greeks considered the Nords as filthy fat barbarians because of their pale skin and blonde hair

oh right nordic looking like the PIE from Yamnaya culture...
oh wait they were swarthier than modern south Euros...damn DNA...

shouldn't you be orderly overdosing by now?

I know the Jews genocided the Armenians, which would make sense.

I've been fascinated with Armenian history. They're the only people in that region with R1b, an old as fuck r1b branch at that, an amazing history and crafty people.

Their language is its own separate indo-euro branch. Really close to ancient egypt. They built gobekli tepe.

My neighbors are Armenian, which is where the interest (and bias) comes from. Very nice people who always bring food when they make delicious bbq!

Anyway, tell me more about what you know!

Yep very close culture and same religion. Were cool they're considered our brothers

Wait are you talking about Greeks when you say we created only degeneracy? You realize that we are also olive skinned right? Im 100% Greek from all sides and Im olive skinned with dark hair and eyes. Just like the ancient greeks

The additional ancestry came from the non-Anatolian, non-Cretan Greek mainland. All Ancient Greek sources refer to the mainlanders as Pelesgians. Cretans and Anatolians were not Pelesgians. I'm sure they were probably related to an extent though. I do think that Greeks had already mingled with the Pelesgians on the mainland prior to the Bronze Age collapse. Post-collapse they were probably joined by an influx of Luwian-speakers and Hittites. Possibly the elusive Sardinians who built those mysterious towers and other so-called Sea Peoples as well as some migrating semites.

Yes I am talking about you pelasgian.

I am Greek.

Guys, in all honesty, are Jews our cousins?

It says no such thing you cunt

popular-archaeology.com/issue/summer-2017/article/ancient-dna-reveals-minoan-and-mycenaean-origins

A passion for history inspired Stamatoyannopoulos to initiate this project: "For over 100 years, many hotly contested theories have circulated concerning the origin of the inhabitants of Bronze Age, Classical, and modern Greece, including the so-called 'Coming of the Greeks' in the late second millennium, the 'Black Athena' hypothesis of the Afroasiatic origins of Classical Greek civilization, and the notorious theory of the 19th century German historian Fallmerayer, who popularized the belief that the descendants of the ancient Greeks had vanished in early Medieval times."

While the new study does not resolve all the outstanding questions, it provides key answers. Importantly, the findings disprove the widely held theory that the Mycenaeans were a foreign population in the Aegean and were not related to the Minoans.

While they are not identical to the Bronze Age populations, modern Greeks are genetically closely related to the Mycenaeans. Modern Greeks show some additional admixture with other groups and a corresponding decrease in heritage from the Neolithic Anatolians. This suggests that there has been a large degree of population continuity in Greece, but it has not been isolated.

>While they are not identical to the Bronze Age populations

and some additional admixture later. The Greeks have always been a 'work in progress' in which layers of migration through the ages added to, but did not erase the genetic heritage of the Bronze Age populations," stated Iosif Lazaridis of Harvard Medical School, a lead author of the study.

Greco-Italic ALLIANCE WHEN

loling at the captcha

And whats your point? Dude , we're both Meds and we're fighting with each other? I have huge respect for the Portuguese history and culture whats your problem with the Greeks? And no Im not pelasgian. Me and my people are descendants of men like Plato, Aristotle, Alexander and Leonidas.

please check out the legend of hayk and bel nimrod it will blow your mind lol

How does it say no such thing? It claims that we are related to the Myceneans which is exactly what I typed in my post?

link me everything you got brotha.

i now hayk is a modernized version of the story. Armenians are so much older. They the successors of the Mittani kingdom.

If you think that Hila looks Greek you must be blind

>It says no such thing you cunt
>Article literally claims modern Greeks are genetically closely related to the Mycenaeans

Are those painting bronze too?

kys you pathetic slug

Myceneans were in Greece proper for a long ass time, mixing with Pelasgians and Minoans. Literal millennia before starting to form an advanced civilization. So it makes sense that their Indo-Euro DNA from the Bronze Age isn't that high.

Dorians on the other hand were in Epirus at the time and most likely were much more purely Indo-European. So, the Dorian invasion must have had a bigger impact on the population than all subsequent migrations, and it's probably what added most of R1b. Explains the genetic structure of Crete too. The primarily Minoan east has darker pigmentation, while western Crete, mainly Dorian, is among the lightest-skinned places in Greece.

I'm just not convinced that the R1a we currently have comes primarily from Iran. I think Slavs made some detectable impact on the genepool.

It also says you have taken successive waves of immigrant into your gene pool. No one says you're not related to the ancients. They just call you mongrels.

pic related you shitskin cherry picker.

pay your debts,grooks

interesting as well that 5 out of 5 of the males were J2a

Jews are actually white. They've been in Europe for many THOUSANDS of years

You should probably stop insinuating that your neighbors are turk roach babies then. That whole region needs to collectively clench their assholes for a moment and realize they are the same group of peasant enslaved by Turkroaches regardless of national identity.

>pic related
>proving Ancient Greeks had dark eyes and dark

Thanks for proving my point you shitskin mexican scrub

They actually are. Both Greeks and Jews have a strong Levantine ancestral component. Cypriots are basically closer to ancient Jews than modern Jews. And when I look at Alpinized Jews, it's like I'm looking at a mainlander Greek.

That said, Hila doesn't really have the look. Even for a Cypriot, she'd be a tad too exotic.

>Pelsags
>Afro-asiatic

lol what. Pelsagians were one of the original Indo European tribes defined as "Aryan".

Enslaved by turk roaches after defending Europe for 1000 years by stopping countless Arab invasions as the Byzantine Empire? Ill take it.

>Are those painting bronze too?

What "paintings?" Brinkmanns recreations? Yes those specific ones are paintings of statues which re recreating the bronze originals.

Nice photoshop straw man. The statues on the Parthenon, Roman statues, and Alexander the great's sarcophagus are white as fuck.

>modern Greeks
You mean the Turkish rape babies?

He's an obvious american 500 kg troll who boasts about his superiority despite being a virgin and living in his moms basement at 30

Turkish people are Greek rape babies raped by actual Turks.

See that's the problem right there. I didn't insinuate you fucks didn't fight. You all did, but you all seem to forget that simple clear fact.

If Greeks, Bulgars, Mecedons, Shqeeps, And the Slavics basically put their petty differences aside for one fucking moment you idiots could come to terms with the fact you have more in common to build and more in common to hate the Turks and other faggots fucking with your shit.

Instead you guys just bitch and moan at eachother 24/7 all while doing the same shit like spending all day at coffee shops smoking and sipping on one beer and then going home to have your mothers make lamb. And I mean all of you as in the Balkans.

>thread going pretty well until americans decide to fuck it up

Pelasgians isn't just one group. It refers to all mainland pre-Greek ethne (ie. everything non-Minoan and otherwise Aegean). Levantines were among them, but a case is also made for Kartvelians or some related group.

Jason's mother from the Argonauts (one of the oldest Greek tales) is said to be Pelasgian, and a good part of the story has to do with visiting Colchis (ancient Georgia), which they don't seem to have issues communicating with.

From that pic the ones that arent roman look very similar to modern Greeks. What's your point? Some of us are olive some of us pale as fuck. Theres even blonde Greeks. Also you have to realize that ancient Greeks and Romans are completely different races

Why are you still proving my point?Even in the pics you posted,statues have dark hair and dark eyes

...says the shitskin rape baby.

>If you take a glass of milk and dunk 5 ham sized turds in there - you can still detect some milk!

It's been known now for over a decade, they deciphered linear b minoan using Greek.
Modern roaches are running around with at least 25% central and east asian dna, Greeks have a fraction of an amount, less so than almost all other Euros.

From my understanding of history of the Balkans and the Indo Euro migrations, the Pelsags were a conglomerate of peoples that formed that tribal identity as "Pelsag" which then splintered off into Illyrians, Thracians, Dacians, Macedonians and the likes.

Ignore them. Obvious trolls trying to show their superiority at 500 kgs.

Most are blonde to some degree. That's just the base coat. You paint a dark base coat and lighten it up for the desired effect. Not saying they weren't dark haired. I''m just saying they were whiter than they were today.

Try harder.

that's literally one of the myths that is debunked by this paper

You realize racially "white" people made up like 15% max of Greece proper right? And you realize these tribes were said by historians (from the time where these people actually existed) to be barbaric people in comparison to non-'Aryan' groups... right? Athens in the classical age was entirely descendant of pre-Dorian people as were the Ionians, Acheans, and Aeolians.

t. triggered cuck
>It also says you have taken successive waves of immigrant into your gene pool.
>They just call you mongrels.
Pre-historic and Aryan invasions make you a mongrel? So wouldn't that make Greeks in 500BC mongrels? I fail to see your logic? Love the mental gymnastics, I'm happy this study came out so you can get even more triggered.

Enjoy your mudhut history amerifat, just remember you will never be Greek :-)

Kys faggot

Yup, look at all the blond hair in the Minoan fresco

pigmentation prediction using irisplex

No they weren't

Their skin tone was and is darker during the summer because of the sun.It's called tan.

>1 statue out of the multiple white ones

Hey why didn't you post that nigger lyre girl from one of my pics? I include those to show that dark skins were a minority. That guy is included in my Greeks pic i posted earlier.

Greek diaspora who left greece for economic gain probably. Wouldnt get too excited spyros

>I'm just saying they were whiter than they were today
What do you mean by 'whiter'? The ancient Greek samples cluster to the south of Modern Greeks. That would make them 'less white' to you, since they are further away from the people that you consider white.

*sees flag*


AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

desu from what I know, greeks were not very disciplined. that doesn't mean they weren't extremely brave, strong, creative, etc. they just did not allow themselves to be confined into boxes. discipline is a supression of emotions/action, which from what I know, the greeks did not do. they were pretty expressive.

Is E-V13 Greek?

Are not were. We still exist ya know

> show that dark skins were a minority.

Lol no.Majority was dark skinned.Thats why Greeks consider the Nords as barbarians because of their pale skin and blonde hair

pic related

Greeks and Italians will do anything to prove they're still relevant.

Two thousand years have passed, and you are not your ancestors. Your countries are not as good as the nordic ones, and that's a fact.

I see the damage control has already began

When the nordics discovered fire we built the Parthenon. And no, nordicucks are not better. Sweden is like 50% muslim AHHAHAAHHA

Atleast they are not cucks and arab rapebabies like you

Thank you for your contribution to this thread, Don Juan De Shawn. Go be you somewhere else.

statue out of the multiple white ones
You're making the argument that Greece was a homogeneous society in 300BC

You are severely retarded.

No everybody in Italy and Greece agrees on that. Thread topic is basically just btfoing nordicist arguments. Stop strawmanning.

Meme flags are all diaspora posters

Grainy as fuck. Probably slaves or tanned workers.

High class white Minoan woman being served by dark skinned slaves/servants.

Wow really makes me think.

White people.

Can you prove that? South of Greece were north African settlements of ancient Mediterraneans. Modern meds are more mixed with he black Africans, steppe niggers, and Arabs that have migrated in over the years.

Which tribe of northerners is he referring to?

Yes the underclasses are often the majority.

>High class white Minoan woman being served by dark skinned slaves/servants.
>Wow really makes me think.
No one can be this retarded. Moron, it's a priestess, stuck in a temple and not out in the sun, go kys.

How Greek are modern Turks?
How is the Greek invasion of Smyrna viewed in both countries?
Had Greece a realistic shot at reclaiming some territories?
How many shqitards are in greece?

> Here we show that Minoans and Mycenaeans were genetically similar, having at least three-quarters of their ancestry from the first Neolithic farmers of western Anatolia and the Aegean [1, 2],

We already knew that the EEF (Early European Farmers) were going to be a majority in the early peoples, these guys are Haplogroup G

>and most of the remainder from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus [3] and Iran [4, 5].

CAUCASUS AND IRAN

> However, the Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia [6, 7, 8], introduced via a proximal source related to the inhabitants of either the Eurasian steppe [1, 6, 9] or Armenia [4, 9]
Mycenaeans have Eurasian steppe admixture.

>Can you prove that?
Yes
Also stop posting blonde people, it's stupid if you consult the table above

They were white.

But they weren't Nordic

Holy shit calm down everyone

desu I don't know much about modern greece. maybe you guys still are, it's just a shame because I read how beautiful things were there, how cultured and now I see it as a shit hole today.

desu I have a lot of respect for your past. what happened?

What the fuck do you mean by "white people"? Nobody is saying that Greeks werent white, were saying that they were meds with tan skin and dark hair/eyes. That doesn't make them non white.

she isnt bad looking desu

>You're making the argument that Greece was a homogeneous society in 300BC

No, i'm saying whites ruled over shitskin monkey people. Just as they do today. You even see this dichotomy in Asia. High class Asians refuse to get tans. Tans are for low class field workers and low IQs.

look here
>The Greeks have always been a 'work in progress' in which layers of migration through the ages added to, but did not erase the genetic heritage of the Bronze Age populations," stated Iosif Lazaridis of Harvard Medical School, a lead author of the study.

So the rest are just tanned whites?

You must some kind of special retard aren't you?

It's called tan you mongoloid idiot.Everyone in Greece has it.Noble or not,poor or rich,king or slave,blonde or brunette

What about us Ruthenian/Ukrainian Greeks?

>How Greek are modern Turks?
a good %, but they have straighter hair and slanty eyes compared to greeks
>How is the Greek invasion of Smyrna viewed in both countries?
Smyrna smells now
>Had Greece a realistic shot at reclaiming some territories?
Yes, but they spread too thin
>How many shqitards are in greece?
A lot of them found Jesus and changed their names to christian ones.

I thought Greeks were mostly E-V13?

I don't understand why people we wuz as meds, they are still Europeans and they gave us the foundations for the civilization we live in today. We Wuzing is retarded we are all brothers, the meds created and we refined

They didn't fair so well when the communists popped up.

>Minoans = Minos + Labyrinth + Minotaur
>Minotaur got BTFO by Theseus, a real Greek
>Even if Modern Greeks related to real Greeks, at what percentage? 1% Minoan-Mycenaean, 99% Turkroach?

They had no chance of holding izmir ataturk was too strong of a leader and martyrdom is an honor for turks. From the mountains they got chased into the sea like the cowards they are