Why is fascism so attractive to a significant portion of libertarians ?

Why is fascism so attractive to a significant portion of libertarians ?

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deep down they know their ideology is a joke and they were only latching onto it for emotional reasons

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a wise leaf is a rare thing indeed

Because they hate the current system and will back any comer who has a chance to take it out.

Except commies.

They are smart enough to realize Marxists just won't leave them alone, therefore violating the NAP.

yes, but r/t_d meme spewing newfags are not

Because a fascist is just a scared libertarian.

'cause eventually they realize that Libertarianism can only work in white nations where only self-sufficient white men vote

Because its willing kill communists, but that's why we have Hoppean libertarianism and National Capitalism.

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They are identical in purpose the only difference is their ideas about the state. Fascists think the state is necessary to achieve their goals, libertarians think the state is the thing that prevents them from reaching their goals. Other than their ideas on the state the two philosophies are basically identical.

Libertarian is for edgy kids who are too scared to go full fucking racist and redpilled

Funny how that also applies to the "fascists" you can talk to around here

It's almost as if it's the case for all fanatical bc teenagers latch on to

frick of you big gommie peepee brain

Surprisingly accurate. Much like the relation between ancom and regular communism.

they want to be free but want to control other people

Fascism and Libertarianism is an entirely different worldview. Fascism/NS has the end goal of an organic state, while Libertarianism by principle doesn't wish to achieve this

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Killing your soldiers with grenades is more lucrative than serving.

Everyone wants to be a libertarian on the 'right' at some point. The problem is that it's impossible to deal with many issues with libertarianism, whereas Fascism is purpose built to counter those issues.

Libertarianism basically expanded degeneracy to a point of total social decay, now it's up to fascists to counter that. Someday libertarianism might be in the cards-but we're a long way off.

Because it can get to where we want to go without waiting around for the free market to take us there.

Guilty pleasure, you shouldn't but it's so tempting

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You realize that since the 50s the AnCap movement has been led by Holocaust Revisionists and racialists who believe in segregations of the races right? Rothbard allied himself with David Duke and Harry Elmer Barnes (one of the first Holocaust Revisionists). Fascists fall for Jewish tricks to easily and think that the ideologies are opposing but most AnCaps know better. Why we can't get you people to see the truth is beyond me.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard

Read the parts of Rothbards wiki page on historical revisionism and also the part on race, gender, and civil rights. If you think AnCaps aren't redpilled you have your head up your ass. Gary Johnson Libertarians are another topic though and we don't accept them as our own.

At the end of the day they realize people need guidance in their life. A Loltarian society would devolve into an SJW Degenerate shithole every time, without fail.

im pretty libertarian OP but i do recognize a lot of the problems with it.

right libertarianism doesn't really have those problems though. we're the ones who invented the helicopter meme

Because of alpha males.
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Fascism/NS is more than Holocaust revisionism and racialism. Do you realize most hardcore liberals a few hundred years ago would be considered extremely racist to this day?

wtf I love jews now, it's not like ancap/libertarianism is the perfect goy ideology for them or anything

Its the logical conclusion when they extrapolate on a national and international level their desire to keep and protect their rights and property.

Because libertarians are starting to realize that without a homogenous population, their ideology leads to nothing but degeneracy and slow ruin.

>hating immigration and cultural marxism is the same as being attracted to 1488, centralized government, and beurcratic dick sucking

this meme need to die. Back when Sup Forums was only paranoid libertarians and stormfags it was understood that the left right paragrim was bullshit. Now its "lol you hate marxist and neocons and love your heritage and western civilization you're totally a fashy goy like me XDDD"

Again I said the one difference is how they view the state. Which is what you referred to. Beyond that both Fascists and AnCaps want a militaristic, homogeneous, hierarchal aristorcratic society that is free from the Jewish banking cabal known as Fractional Reserve Central Banking. If you have any difference between the two other than their view on the state please tell me. Fascists just use the state to ensure those things which AnCaps think the state is incapable of doing. Its one difference that separates them on all issues but they each are trying to create the same kind of society with the same kind of ethos.

ethnostate first

libertarianism after

It can only possibly work in a homogenous society .

You're fucking retarded. If ancap was the perfect goy ideology it would be shilled on CNN daily.

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Rothbard is the sell your children because they are your property guy. He had a few good ideas and helped set up the von mises institute in Auburn but he is like a hyperjewed ancap caricature. I mean he wanted actual judge dredds walking around.

They love the idea of having the authority to immediately solve problems.

>it's not like ancap/libertarianism is the perfect goy ideology for them or anything
That would be communism and neoliberalism. Jews hate the free market.

There's a limit to how much treading you can take before you flip your shit, and you know the marxist will come for you too.
If we take people at their word, if they say we're going to the gulag of friendship, isn't self defense legitimate?

You are making fucking shit up, those are not tenants of AnCap. Sure, some within that worldview may believe in those tenants, but they aren't inherently part of AnCap

Also, Fascism is ONLY concerned with upholding truth and the cosmic order, and will use any tool to achieve this

Libertarianism is a sort of position they've been backed into, whether consciously or not, as just another means of white flight.
They realize at some level that all facets of the system are against them, so having no system, or a minimal system is away to escape the nigger tax without appearing racist.
That's why white nationalism is the progression past libertarianism for so many.
Once they realize that the flaws with ancap as well as the much greater flaws with the system they're currently trapped inside are both taken care of if they were living in an all white country, there's not really any coming back from that ideologically.

because libertarianism only works in homogeneous societies

When a libertarian gets cut, a fascist bleeds.

The past 8 years were not kind to libertarians.

The realisation that libertarianism is simply not possible whilst the enemy lives.

We are smart enough to realize a libertarian order won't work in a heterogeneous society.
Non whites are more interested in gibs than liberty.
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His views on children were that they are property of their parents until they are self-sufficient. The selling your kids thing was so people could buy children from degenerates in the hopes of saving them from their degenerate parents. Do you really think degenerates should breed and be parents?

You guys keep saying this, but if you have an ultra individualist society you are just going to end up ruining it again.

Obviously they would rather have the strongest gov under their control than have one ancap state dumbass.
dumbest post in the thread, free markets have no defense against nepotism/cronyism/corporatism/oligopoly
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>free markets have no defense against nepotism/cronyism/corporatism/oligopoly
Of course they do, they have competition, why do you think the Jews have fought and continue to fight against economic competition? They advocate for more government control over the economy, because they are the ones subverting the government, and they can use they're control to beat down those who would take away their power.

Ok, so every major AnCap writer believes in these tenants so how that isn't a part of AnCap is beyond me. That being said AnCaps also believe in natural hierarchies. Just read Hoppe, thats in almost every single work he has ever made. AnCaps think that it is the state that breaks up the natural hierarchies, but fascists think the state is necessary to protect these natural hierarchies. I'm assuming when you say that Fascism is only concerned with upholding truth and the cosmic order you are saying something similar to natural hierarchies.

cool so explain to me how competition beats an oligopoly

Because they still have a rage against degeneracy and libertarian provides no tools to correct it.

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For the man, the virtues of the warrior and the priest. For the woman, the virtues of the lover and the mother. Notice that all four of these virtues has a black mirror, an inversion that represents its nadir. For the man, the evils of the coward and the hedonist. For the woman, the evils of the adulterer and the child-killer. These represent the explicit rejections of the virtues attainable to men and women.

If you’ve ever wondered why religions tend to speak more harshly about the adultery of women, this is the reason. Not ‘sexism’ of the infantile kind that is proposed by scholars today, but an understanding of how nakedly evil adultery is in women. The significance of being a child-killer is also underlined by the fact that while murders, in general, are usually committed by men, the one subset of murders in which women routinely supersede men, is the murder of children in the primary years of care (this does not factor in abortion).

Civilization exists to punish cowards, hedonists, adulterers, and child-killers. If these necrotic influences are unchained, they corrupt the hearts of men and speed society to its quick destruction. The numeric account of the death of civilizations is wholly inadequate, for it is quality which has reign over quantity in every sphere that is not the perverted mind of the Modern. Men are in every case the lawgivers and prime movers of society. Due to dependence, they not only decide upon the restraints of their vices but upon those of womankind as well.

>You guys keep saying this, but if you have an ultra individualist society you are just going to end up ruining it again.

Here's the thing about white people, they have this sort of cosmic sense of justice and doing the right thing that other races don't really have.
You could have a country with ZERO welfare system, ZERO foodstamps, and nobody would starve to death if it was a 100% white country.
The whites would set up charities, soup kitchens, etc with money that was donated voluntarily.

All that being said, I'm not a libertarian, but I can see why white people would want to become libertarians, and why a libertarian white country would be far and away superior to a non-white one.

Sorry to reply twice, but this image seems to be referring to what you mean when you say upholding truth and the cosmic order. Hoppe recommends physical removal for degenerates. Tell me how this differs from the ethos of fascism or give me an example where the two ideologies diverge other than their view on the state.

As soon as the oligopoly starts to abuse their status as one of the few businesses left then other businesses can come in and compete by offering lower prices than the oligopoly. There's never been a business too big to fail except when the government ensures that it can't fail, heck there have been 8 bailouts by the Federal Government since 2000 alone.

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people just pretend to be ancaps because no one wants welfare when niggers are taking it. Ancap in the streets, Nazi in the sheets

A true libertarian society is about as attainable as a commie utopia. It doesn't take into account all the things necessary to achieve it and maintain it. Like physical removal and rwds.

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Because eventually they realize that it's the family, not the individual that is the smallest unit of what makes up a nation. That eventually force will be needed to destroy and expel those that would do that to us.

fascism is action, libertarianism is passivity

Because its fucking edgy

You need Fascism to eventually have a Libertarian society. Libertarianism doesn't have the punch Fascism does in this marxist hell we call the modern West.

Gotta pay for the free helicopter rides somehow.

Because we have been stepped on

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good post

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It's an ideology that can only be handled by whites, some east Asians and browns on the right side of the bell curve. It's a best case scenario form of government and a fascist state is the only way to make that possible

Serious answer? Doubt anyone will read it but I'll try.

The left/right paradigm works only when you interpret it as follows: LEFT = egalitarian, RIGHT = hierarchy. Most, at least most Americans, consider LEFT = bigger government, RIGHT = less government. This is wrong. This is why most idiots will claim that fascism is actually left wing. Once you accept the egalitarian versus hierarchy scale that thought quickly goes away.

Think about ancaps or anyone who believes in "the market". They actually favor hierarchy. In their mind, markets will create a natural hierarchy over time (on average the smartest and most able will eventually, even if it takes a few generations, be the most successful). Many ancaps will lean conservative, wanting an even more rigid social hierarchy than the market would allow. Only they ideally want that by free association. An ancap is perfectly okay with a business owner refusing to serve someone or with a plot of land that excludes newcomers. They might not personally engage in that behavior but it is completely permissable to them. Now combine that with the state of things today. Most ancaps have a european background and places like Sup Forums accelerated their own personal conservative leanings. At the end of the day they know that the market will yield the highest levels of wealth for a particular country or place and that any government intervention will reduce that wealth. However, they are willing to take a cut in the society's overall wealth and prosperity so that they can bring about those dire social changes.

The smartest ancaps, not many of them I might add, actually understand there is a glaring problem with the NAP. The NAP, by most ancaps is treated as a moral or ethical rule, but in truth it only aligns with morals some of the time. This fact more or less derails the 'moral' component to choosing ancapism over fascism anyway.

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Because every libertarian knows the only way they could possibly have such a society is with whites only

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pol is mostly nazi LARPers from reddit now

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great post thank you

>don't want the state to monetarily incentivize breeding of children
>better if rich people do it

At least the natsocs got this one right. Enslave the parents and brainwash the child.

It isn't, delusional bootlickers call themselves libertarians

cause fash dadddy hitler

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Pic related explains it better than any argument ever could.

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bullshit, one would never identify as the other

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They never really were.

Like the so called conservative libertarians.

The NAP is the problem in multiculturalism as ''certain cultures'' favour aggression to peace.

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Because we're done being nice and trying to convince people with logic and reason, when they themselves dont understand such concepts.

A nigger, commie, anarchist, etc. Will only nod their head and pretend to comprehend so when you let your guard down, they can stab you in the back.

I used to be for open borders until I realized how dangerous the left is and why they need to be purged from humanity.

Nah, I still think socialism is retarded. And before you go "muh not real socialism", if it's got wealth redistribution, it's socialism.

this white glorification is really childish and wrong, the most basic problem is environmental factors change genetics so your premise will be false eventually, next whites aren't one ethnic group and behaviors vary significantly from north/south/russian(apparently they're white now)/italian(them too) etc. Also you can look anywhere in history and see yourself wrong.

So if the oligopoly doesn't abuse competition can't do anything? This is the standard ancap line to deflect the blame to the government. If you actually attempt to quantify the details it becomes absurd, abuse for example would have to qualify as abuse to a significant amount of people. And that won't happen, how do I know? Because barely anyone even qualifies current government actions as abuse so why would they care about private company abuse ie everyone still shops at walmart.

What is actually happening ist through cronyism or natural barriers or simply early market dominance they form monopolies and then they use the government to increase barriers to entry to prevent competition. The only thing that would change if you took out the government is increasing the amount of mafias.

i would argue that facism is less a firm political philosophy and more of a response to the degredation of culture. it's far less important to push for libertarian ideas when a bunch of niggers are actively undermining your cultural framework.

Not for nothing, but many Libertarians have done military service and understand there's a time a place for fascist rule. Fighting an enemy for example.

Because we only pretended to be libertarians as a means to an end with the end being fascism. There is noting close to fascism that is acceptable and libertarianism for some time was the "closest". It's no longer socially unacceptable to hide it anymore though. Besides, libertarianism was invented by a kike. It's a kike "ideology" and belongs in the ovens along with all the other kike "ideologies" and socio-political "philosophy". Marxism, objectivism, libertarianism... none of these are goyim ideologies. They're all invented by jewish sociopaths whose desire is to enslave us.

It could be a serious problem when taking demographics into account. But superior wealth, intelligence, and technology would trump demographic issues in a conflict.

The problem with the NAP is that most libertarians and ancaps treat it as a moral rule. However, if you put it to the test, it clearly does not work as a moral rule. The initiation of force is not always wrong. Here's a stupid example but it illustrates the point pretty well: a man is told that if he does not slap his neighbor a nuke will hit his neighborhood. Stupid, I know but let's think about this. Either you violate the NAP and save a bunch of lives or you don't and the whole neighborhood dies. The moral option is pretty clear, slap the shit out of that dude and save everyone. But in an ancap world you'd still be violating the NAP and you'd still be subject to arbitration by your neighbor if he so chose. There are many cases like this, where the NAP can be in conflict with 'common sense' morals and yet those who chose to do good in an ancap society can be punished.

>So if the oligopoly doesn't abuse competition can't do anything?
Pretty much, but there's no problem with an oligopoly that doesn't abuse its position. It's literally doing its job to the maximum efficiency that the job could possibly be done and offering a service that everyone wants. At that point there's no reason for anyone to want that oligopoly to go away.

With absolute power I could fix this shit, and I'm the only one I trust to give it all up after I'm done.

Exactly this. My ideal society would be authoritarian when it needs to be and libertarian when it doesn't, without ever going full totalitarian. Fascism is a self-defense mechanism.

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Ethnic nationalism is a perfidious attempt to undermine the work of others. It is mixed in with the rest of conservative ideology to discredit the entire movement towards closed borders as racist.

Gentile kind of viewed it that way. Less of an idea and more of an action. Its a method if anything.

because they aren't libertarians. they don't care about free market ideals nor do they really grasp the concept of freedom.
all they want is look like they are the good ones (like commies who say they care about equality and justice) while trying to push an agenda based on their hatred of others.

it's a take over, similar to what happened to the left in the 19th century or liberals in the 20th century, just this time it's not 'marxist collectivists', but 'xenophobic collectivists'.
Just talk to them morons and they'll tell you how the working man has to be protected from cheap foreign labor. Throw them out of helicopters I say.

fuck off Buckley.

so then you cede to my point that free markets have no defense against oligopoly?
but isn't racist just a meaningless buzzword for stupid people?

It is easier to undermine the NAP just by assuming a group of moral nihilists forms in a neighbour hood. Just like Molyneux's (((universallty preferable behaviour))) falls down.