So is there a chance for the USA not to be overtaking by China in the next two decades?

So is there a chance for the USA not to be overtaking by China in the next two decades?

china is in a bubble right now
wont last long

The most stable bubble in history.

Nah
The USA is destined to play second fiddle with china,just how Europe did after the USA became a bigboy player

China is set on a trajectory to world leadership in applied physics and electronics sometime between 2025 and 2030. Just as America’s current supply of scientists and engineers will retire, without adequate replacement from an ill-educated millenial generation. By then, even the high-end industries like Microsoft and IBM will leave overseas, and the entire country will look the Rust Belt on steroids. The US will become a literal Brazil, a backwater slum, rife with socialism, unemployment and racial warfare

USA is more and more mestizo/negro while the white population declines. With that the average IQ and GDP will drastically start to decline as well

you are forgetting the Problems China has
Yes out of pure economic power, they will overtake the US
BUT
They had a whole Generation getting wrecked by the "One Child Policy" with a 20% imbalance Men/Female, which will lead to gigantic social Problems in the future.
Their fertility rate is at 1.5 which means they live in an aging Society.
They got another Power with 1.2 Billion People (India) next to their doors, which will lead to a powerstruggle between them once the US is loosening their Imperial grip

>i-it's going to collapse.. any minute now!

China's single capability is to undercut western wages with cheap labor.
This means that the "emerging Chinese market" is doomed to a hard stop from the beginning. They will never have a prosperous middle class populated by good consumers with discretionary income to blow on silly shit.
They, therefore, will never rise to the level of economic activity per capita that the U.S. & Europe enjoyed. The destruction of the middle classes in the U.S. & Europe will not be replaced by anything, anywhere.
You see, if the companies in China started paying their drones enough to be free-spending consumers, they would lose their only edge, driving wages up to the same levels as you had in the west. This would mean that producing goods in the west would be just as cheap, so why blow all the dough on shipping, as the primary market is the west?

What you are seeing is a massive divide forming between the excessively wealthy and the working poor peasantry, nothing more. It is a return to feudalism, where there is a small handful of self-important, normally degenerate trash that own everything, while the greater mass of the world's population own almost nothing.
No one will "overtake" anyone on a national level, as that is what globalism is all about...no nations...just a "new world order" with the utterly decadent and soulless automatons of the top 1% owning all things, including all people, everywhere.
And as this pile of ruling human debris scrabble for greater and more novel pastimes, they will become more and more disgusting in their actions, and more and more destructive toward the other people on this planet.
Globalism is a no-win situation for 99% of the entire population of the world. Even those that feel they are doing well with it, so far, are doomed to be the ones devoured in the end, as those above them covet their property & wealth, just as they coveted the property & wealth of the former western middle class.

China will not "overtake" anything.

China's economy will collapse anyday now. Says the increasingly nervous American for the 100th time.

The old middle income trap myth!

youre fucking retarded. china's wealthy upper middle class has more money than you could imagine.

china is just being used as a factory district by the jews. america can kill their whole economy with sanctions whenever they like

they are well and truly in the pocket

...

sums it up. america alone is responsible for 20% of their whole economy and thats before we take into account europe and the rest of the anglosphere

if we decided to put trade restrictions on china we could have the whole country eating out of the gutter in 3 months.

the jews have had china by the balls dating all the way back to the 28 bolsheviks, possibly even before that

>Australian economy expert

Not a myth at all, just common sense. The basis for everything economic is supply and demand, China (currently) has a huge supply of labor, making it less expensive there. Other countries have the same, so industries have moved to those countries, as well, especially Mexico and places in S. America.
In the past, the U.S. and Europe had tariffs that thwarted this...but with the successful propaganda push of the 80's, globalists managed to destroy national economic boundaries such as tariffs (for the most part), and it was THEN the exodus of industries from the west could transpire. But the market was still in the west, where the middle classes had not yet completely collapsed. They were draining the most vibrant economic engines in history of their oil, profiting in the short term, but laying waste to those engines in the future, when they would finally seize up.
And with all the dough remaining at the top, the perfect analogy is that this is like all the oil in your car's engine remaining in the oil pan. The engine runs rougher and rougher, and finally seizes, then the entire thing needs to be torn down & rebuilt.
And while this is going on, Socialists and communists gain more and more support from the desperate masses that can't find decent-paying work, anymore. And communist purges are notoriously bloody towards the upper classes (apparently for a good reason).
All of it is self defeating, and no country can "win" when you don't have countries, anymore.

The first step towards this chaos was the elimination of the racially homogeneous nation. And I believe you'll notice, that the same forces that have "diversified" the west, are now focusing on "diversifying" the East. They are particularly focused on Japan, but they've started on China, too.
And the rest of us ignore reality, duped into complacency, making it very easy for them to treat us like prey.

nah this is just the reality of it. if the jews fear the chinese you would not hear the end of it. china is being used as a oversized dystopian factory district to fuel globalism. they can cut the rope whenever they want

No they are the new big boy in town. When I went you can feel the spirit and optimism of an industrial revolution which is long gone from western societies. They're going to grow for another 30-70 years like all of us did.

China will take over and America will be like mainland China. We will have dog meat festivals and the girl in that picture will bring her yellow boyfriend and you will serve yellow people like a cuck.

The middle class in China are top hat -tier wealthy. They are the ones who are renting penthouses for their kids in British and American university towns.

That's what they said in 1929, right before the Great Depression. Learn history.

> (OP)
>They had a whole Generation getting wrecked by the "One Child Policy" with a 20% imbalance Men/Female, which will lead to gigantic social Problems in the future.
Natural selection, betas and dumb people will not leave offsprings, marry viets or go to Africa
>Their fertility rate is at 1.5 which means they live in an aging Society.
Irrelevant since the'res almost no welfare
>They got another Power with 1.2 Billion People (India) next to their doors, which will lead to a powerstruggle between them once the US is loosening their Imperial grip
>India superpoower in 2030!
Remember BRICS?

the missing roi of all those empty complexes are going to eventually bite them in the arse.
china did try to pull a fast one on the us "agreeing" to do nothing till 2030 and trump wisely renegged on the request for US to cut down. China has come far since it's communist ways so ofcourse it's showing tremendous growth has a lot to make up for and majority of chinese out of the big cities are still in the shits because of the massive population. Not sure why anyone wants chinas economy to directly collapse though but that's your thing.

Literally go back 90 years and dumbfucks like you with no view of economic history said that the Roaring 20s and American mega growth would never end, then look what happened.

Many people are missing the point.

The largest economic factor is not Chinese ability to produce shit and undercut others, but the fact that they are groving to become largest in the world consumer market. And most of it will be filled by Chinese products itself.

So essentially they can btfo the world and world trade and continue grow and function as encapsulated marked, with near billion people and sufficient resources.

US is the biggest consumer market atm.. but US economy depends on producing in China and selling TO China. Meanwhile China only depends on China.

Good example would be internet - Chinese users constitute the biggest amount of people worldwide, yet they only use Chinese internet and dont give a fuck about english language based web or products.

>kids in penthouses
They know how to spoil their kids.

Well yeah. 50% of China doesn't even have electricity or plumbing. Environmentalists will eventually get us on par with China.

We've already been overtaken by China. People don't understand it happened, so they are oblivious.

Nope.
No middle class can emerge in a country where labor is so very cheap.
And they must keep it cheap, or their only advantage disappears.
Currently, as a percentage of their GDP, China is in more debt than the U.S. (and that's hard to do).

>The middle class in China are top hat -tier wealthy. They are the ones who are renting penthouses for their kids in British and American university towns.
kek
You can't parade around your well-to-do and just proclaim them "middle class." Literally billions in China are living like peasants.
The average wage in china is equal to about $755 a year, U.S.
I spent more than that on my old truck just 2 days ago. (tires, brakes, inspection).

Natural selection, top kek. They got a COUNTRYWIDE FERTILITY RATE of 1.5 there is no Natural selection, they have a shrinking Population
No Welfare wtf ? do you know how much China spends on their 80 Million poorest People alone ?

BRICS, how many alliances of powerfull Nations ever Held throughout history, when they saw a Chance to fuck the others ? Remember Italy in the Dreibund ? how did that owrk out ?

Really uninformed post right here

And how many people make up said class, not many, as a number and as a percentage of the population. Get fighting for your freedom and democracy Hong Kong, unless you are one of those new mainland mindless immigrants Beijing used to subvert your population.

>The average wage in china is equal to about $755 a year, U.S.
>I spent more than that on my old truck just 2 days ago. (tires, brakes, inspection).
You have obviously zero idea about economics, why do you insist of posting and making fool of yourself?

>No middle class can emerge in a country where labor is cheap.

That is so dumb. I don't have words for how dumb you are.

That's not "middle class", that's the corrupt oligarchy party members who skim their "piece of the action" off legit businesses. The ranks of Commie party bosses are packed with such rich, and those overseas kids are theirs (called princelings). Utterly corrupt filth.

I will force my kids to learn mandarin, even if they will fucking hate it.

China will be ruling this planet 100 years from now, whether we like it or not.

>Europe is being destroyed by Germans, again. In a 100 years this continent will look like it went backwards.
>USA is a multucultural hellhole, focused entirely on domestic problems with niggers, fags, women, liberals and anarchists.
>Muslims are just plain retarded from 1,500 years of inbreeding, they will never achieve anything anymore, cant even fight for shit.
>Russia is sitting on top of mountains of natural resources, but decided poverty and drinking vodka is a better idea, China will consume them entirely in the next `100 years.
Do we like it?
No.
Will it happen anyway?
Yes.

>The average wage in china is equal to about $755 a year, U.S.
>I spent more than that on my old truck just 2 days ago. (tires, brakes, inspection).

nice, zero knowledge on economy :)

while you paid 755$ to change tires and brakes, a ching chong will have to pay 5$ for the same service in China.
If you still dont understand, tell me, ill try to make this explanation even easier.

Great argument, equal to a kindergartner screaming that somebody else is a "poopyhead."

I clearly understand supply and demand far better than you, and I can take trends to their logical conclusion.
Your workers live like slaves. Americans demand more, and we'll get our industries back through force of law, just as we did in the past.
Learn some history.
It's already starting, and it's gaining steam. And just as I said before, even if we fail, nobody wins but the top 1%, and most of them are NOT Chinese. About 40% of them are Jews (not bad for just being .2% (point 2) of the world population, eh?) And even all of THEM are destined for destruction, by their own doings.

One thing people in the U.S. are starting to realize is that they do NOT want to become an overpopulated country like China, where labor and workers are cheap, throwaway commodities to those that own industry.

If China wanted prosperous people, they would determine this on their own, and act to change their numbers. But they still think nations exist, so they are playing under a misconception in the first place.
Your economic bosses are not even Chinese.

>Natural selection, top kek. They got a COUNTRYWIDE FERTILITY RATE of 1.5 there is no Natural selection, they have a shrinking Population
Oh great, a dumb germ. Natural selection as those who are not able to marry a woman are beta cucks who don't deserve to leave their genes
>No Welfare wtf ? do you know how much China spends on their 80 Million poorest People alone ?
I bet its less than what Germany spends on the millions of refugees that live there
>BRICS, how many alliances of powerfull Nations ever Held throughout history, when they saw a Chance to fuck the others ? Remember Italy in the Dreibund ? how did that owrk out ?
Not talking about the alliance but the countries that are part of it. Brazil and South Africa were considered potential superpowers in the near future, where are they now you dumb germcuck?

Chinese are soulless insects in the end, a trait which dooms them to never being more than a regional power. Pretty much no Nobel prizes in science, cheating in school, living in squalor and pollution which leaves worst smog on earth, brutal populace with no regard for each other.

>Workers are cheap and so will always be cheap.

You are so fucking dumb, please stop.

You switch the playing fields, and contradict the very argument being made here.
In one breath, you go from international economic competition to local economics, and this is even AFTER some moron (maybe you) tried to say China's "middle class" are the ones blowing money in universities all over the west.

$5 will not get you much in any U.S. college town I can think of...maybe half a hoagie at a gas station.

You and your Chinese propagandists are not even good at propaganda.

everything you said about the ching chongs are actually things that will make them rulers of this planet.

>Chinese are soulless insects

good

>in the end, a trait which dooms them to never being more than a regional power.

its the opposite, a nation of "muh feels" is doomed to be nothing else than a regional pushover.

>Pretty much no Nobel prizes in science

nobel prizes?
are you joking?

al gore, nobel for saving the planet from smog.
obama, peace nobel prize.

for fucks sake....

>brutal populace with no regard for each other.

thats good.

Actually, with robot automation workers will soon not be just cheap, but actually worthless. No way will a shithole as large as China successfully pull off something like basic income to placate starving redundant peasants, and the whole show will go down in flames with a new Taiping Rebellion of 100s of millions with nothing to lose.

Nobel prizes in SCIENCE you dumb pollack, not the worthless peace prize Gore and Obama got. i.e. medicine, physics, chemistry, you know the things that make a country relevant to the modern world.

>No way

Sound evidence there.

oh god, man, come on.
think.

everything you have is made in china.
chinese are buying land EN MASSE, go ahead, ask any australians or canadians.
"muh poor chinks" still somehow are in every big university.

>$5 will not get you much in any U.S. college town I can think of...maybe half a hoagie at a gas station.

thats because american education is a joke.
american high-schoolers are as educated as european or asian kindergardeners.
999999,999999,999999$ for a college degree, fuck off.

literally nobody gives two flying fucks about nobel prizes, especially not the slant eyed ching chongs who produce every single item you have in your household.

Tick tock

>99.9 percent cheating involved
Yup, they'll be rivals of Stanford and MIT any day now...any day now.

You know how many Chinese universities were in the top 200 10 years ago? Zero.

Tick tock.

If China could rule this planet, they would have done so in the past, when their numbers would have been an actual advantage in warfare.

Not so much now, with the advent of weapons of mass destruction.

China has made little progress, and all the industry they enjoy now was given to them by the west, in return for slave labor.

THAT is their only advantage. Very cheap labor.
And it can be thwarted at any time by simple tariffs, of the same type that the U.S. had from it's beginnings right up to about the mid-90's.

We can, and probably will, reinstate them. You see, Americans are starting to become aware ofg the timeline & what has been done to their prosperity.
President Trump won the election based on his agreement with using tariffs to bring industry back to the U.S., and limiting cheap labor at home by deporting illegals & limiting immigration in general (we now have a bill to do just that being introduced on Capital Hill, and ALL Americans need to get behind it, demanding it be passed).

You act as though this fight is over. It has just begun, and you will see economic warfare on a global basis, it has started already.

cheating? lol.

>china sends shit to the orbit and the moon by themselves, managed to make the technology in a couple of years
>usa cant send shit into orbit without russian rockets

ching chongs dont care, man.

You really are ignorant. What the fuck do you think the Chinamen is copying in the first place? Nobel prize winning work was responsible for the basic science that created the blue LED for example - no Nobel in that case means no blue LEDS you imbecile. What's the blue LED worth to the copycat Chinaman?

sorry bro but your post is so stupid it hurts.

china laid down more concrete in 18 years than USA since it got independent.

dont get me wrong, i dislike the ching chongs, but im not stupid enough to think they wont surpass every other country on the planet in a couple of years.

whats up with american fetish on nobel prizes?
nobody gives a shit, especially not 1,6 billion chinese hard working, soulles drones that study 24/7.

>this is what a superpower looks like
Insects living in their own filth, like a colony of roaches.

America will be overrun with spics and wogs, its infrastructure will go the way of Latin American countries. Remain whites will get fed up and leave.

Meanwhile China becomes the stronkest country in the world. CHINA STRONK.

China will only get smarter too due to embracing genetic engineering, all the while the US becomes dumber because SJWs wont allow it on the grounds of it being unfair, and instead flood the country with more low IQ shitskins.

China smartest, US retarded spastic dribbling.

This is the future.

The question is not if but when, it's really that simple.

>China is busted if the entire world suddenly decides to declare trade war on China for no reason.

>everything you have is made in china.
Actually, no.
I go out of my way to avoid Chinese made, to the best extent I can.
It's all crap, anyway, doomed to break inside of a year and a half. Pure garbage.

>thats because american education is a joke. american high-schoolers are as educated as european or asian kindergardeners. 999999,999999,999999$ for a college degree, fuck off.

Ooooh, somebody is throwing sand in the sandbox at kindergarten, again. Must have touched a nerve...
And your use of capitalization is dreadful.
But I have to agree with you on the cost of tuition, even though I can't understand why you think this has anything to do with the cost of hoagies at a gas station.

>This is what the largest empire in the world has ever seen looked like

Yes America that is what heavy industry looks like.

dont forget chinese are openly racist, dont give a flying fuck about anyones feelings.

while USA is drowning in marxist bullshit, the chinese laugh their asses off.

Way to dodge the point, you fucking idiot. Imagine a physicist discovers cold fusion for free power, or how to make an antimatter bomb, in the west. Game over for Chinaman. In your peabrain, the Chinamen will still be ahead through simply mindlessly building like a fucking ant.

>Chinese concrete
Literally made of garbage.

This.
And really, what the fuck is wrong with the fucking germans? Why are they so fucked in the head?

>I go out of my way to avoid Chinese made, to the best extent I can.

and still 99,9% of things you have are chinese made.
pick up a random iteam in your room.
does it have "made in PRC" stamp on it?
It probably does.

>Ooooh, somebody is throwing sand in the sandbox at kindergarten, again. Must have touched a nerve...

are you implying american high-schoolers arent as educated as an european 6 year old?

Actually, the Chinese couldn't produce multi-stage rockets until Bill Clinton allowed the sale of that technology to them by Loran. It was a huge stink here, as the Chinese couldn't get a nuke to U.S. shores by missile until this fiasco.

And Loran wanted to bring this tech to China for just one reason...to launch satellites into orbit with cheap Chinese labor.

lmao at all the chink shills ITT
jews still run this shit

>Imagine a physicist discovers cold fusion for free power, or how to make an antimatter bomb, in the west. Game over for Chinaman.

.........what?
what are you even on about right now?

>Yes America that is what heavy industry looks like.
>not being able to tell the difference between industrial pollution and literally swimming in feces and tampons because you are a human cockroach
Seriously? This goes deeper than a mere phase. Ever see Chinese in the west spitting on the street? Peasant mentality ain't going anywhere.

He is saying imagine a hypothetical scenario when a country that can't even protect its auto industry suddenly invents all this neat stuff and turns protectionist.

IT.
DOESNT.
MATTER.

India, a poo-poo country, is somehow managing to make the same super-space-tech USA does with 1% of the cost and a quarter of the time needed.
Same with Chinese.

While anons on /pol keep crying about nobel prizes, the ching chongs are busy building space stations, rockets, and are already planning moon bases.

The USA will destroy China in the next five years. Sage.

You are a fucking imbecile.

The Chinese have built, at last count, 7 new cities...cities that have almost no one living in them, as almost no one can afford to.
These cities were built for one reason...make-work, that pumps the GDP numbers.
But they are a net loss, as the government has to go deeper into debt to build them, thus increasing their debt as a percentage of their GDP.

Again, they have no prosperous working class, so the basis of their economic pyramid us inherently unsound.

well up to this you had some points

but dude, nobel prizes,.... really
they are worthless, absolutely meaningless

btw I am a nobel laureate, no seriously, I am

thanks, now fuck off.

All Americans who aren't in denial need to consider is this - while the US cities are literally collapsing the Chinese are building them. You can lie to yourself about "muh GDP inflation" but you know it's true - you are the declining power in this scenario.

>confusing basic science with technology and business
Put simply for you idiots, the Chinese lack the creativity necessary to discover new shit. You will never see a Chinese Manhattan Project for this reason, as their is no Chinese analog to people like Feynman, von Neumann, Fermi, Oppenheimer, and so on.

This is fundamental, and if you can't understand this you will never figure out why China is doomed to mediocrity forever.

>and still 99,9% of things you have are chinese made.
99% of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot.

>are you implying american high-schoolers arent as educated as an european 6 year old?
Somebody is starting to believe their own press releases...

This "make work" GDP is nonsense coming from a country that spends 3% of its GDP on missiles

Good point. It's going to be hell for anyone who isn't Han once those fucks are in charge. Fortunately I'll probably be dead by then.

Have a Blokhin, ignoramus.

nothing they build will last
they legitly build their shit as quickly as they can slap it together with disregard for any civilized engineering standard.

Were still expanding cities in america, constantly building more homes. Were always expanding. However what you are talking about is how china erects huge vaporware cities and residents that NO one lives in or moves into. They are more appearances than about quality and it will show as it already has been.

They will just enslave the Japanese and reward them for their innovation.

>99% of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot.

pick up 10 random items in your household, and then tell me how many had the "MADE IN CHINA" stamp on em.
Go on, ill wait.

>Somebody is starting to believe their own press releases...

a 30 second conversation with any american youth will suffice, thank you.

and what happened after the depression?
America became global super power.

China century incoming.

>While anons on /pol keep crying about nobel prizes, the ching chongs are busy building space stations, rockets, and are already planning moon bases.
The world's only space station was mostly built & funded by the U.S.
And the U.S. is currently working on a Mars trip, we just tested the lander in Hawaii, last year.

We also have a working plasma drive, and it was just recently tested in orbit.

AND...we have a military space program that routinely travels into Earth orbit, god only knows what they're doing up there...and they have a fully functional & automated space shuttle. (pic)

Usa won't become the new China, like your country of Germany and all of Europe has become the new Middle East.

oh for fucks sake, go ahead and google shit ching chings invented and made in the last 3,000 years.

> the Chinese lack the creativity necessary to discover new shit.

dumbest shit ive ever fucking read.
>hhurr durrr i know 1,6 billion chings chongs are dumb hurr durrr

just fuck off.

Unlikely. Places like this ensure that. Thanks to peacetime nuclear power and launch capabilities, Japan is within a few screwdriver turns of fielding a nuclear deterrent. This plant produced enough highly enriched material to leave China a smoking ruin - mutually assured destruction.

In terms of PPP the game is already finished.

Again, most of my objects are NOT made in China, and the electronics all pretty much say they were made in Korea.
But I'm a pretty basic guy, and I have a lot of made in America stuff I got from my parents, still working fine after 50+ years, like my freezer, lamps, fans, etc.

It's funny watching Amerifats squirm in denial. We're all going down, chubby, whether you like it or not.

We've become too high maintenance in the West, like a wife that one just cannot afford to keep anymore.

Yeah good luck with that, you fat weeb. China wont give a fuck once the US collapses and will nuke the shit out of Japan and Korea if they put up a fight. China wont care about losing a few million if that's what it takes to subdue their arch nemesis.

>This

I'm sure the British empire and the Spanish also squealed about the impossibility of becoming a second rate power but look at us now.

>a few million

You understand nothing, do you?

You really are a stupid son of a bitch. Chinese creativity ran out centuries ago, and everything in modern times is copying the west. Everything.

You are too stupid to understand things like the significance of Newtonian mathematical physics and the scientific method, but rest assured there was never anything approaching this in China.

Are you familiar with J. Needham's 'Science and Civilization in China"? I am. It is the standard history of Chinese science and technology in many volumes, and in toto it is wholly nothing compared to what the west acheived, and continues to achieve in science. A fucking meme. You can't rest on laurels of paper and gunpowder next to fucking calculus and quantum physics.

give the americans some time, they think 200 years of being a power is something :D

empires come and go, sometimes they never come back.

>Chinese creativity ran out centuries ago

i think this is biggest, dumbest generalization i have ever seen, thanks for the quick laugh.

What part of "'mutually assured" don't you understand, Achmed? I have no love for the Japs, but a fact is a fact - their nuke capabilty is like what the Jews have done in secret but much larger scale. What are the Chinks going to do with all their cities in nuclear fire?

In fact, I suspect your name might be Wang instead of Achmed, given your shilling.

China is almost 4,000 years old, and it has never ruled the world, nor even come close to the influence of the old English empire nor the current American influence.
Even France, Spain, & Germany had periods of worldwide influence China has never achieved.

Age has nothing to do with success.