So they can prove theres nothing after death

so they can prove theres nothing after death..
The truth's we dont know, you either trust christ's words or you dont. are you willing to trust christ or not

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You provide no reason.

wow......wow.... you cant be this ignorant....go study tradtional catholism and theology, study the worlds history, read the bible douay rheims version, think think think.. History proves in itself would give you reason.

Our mind, our personality, our behaviour is inevitably linked to our brain. The idea of a non-physical soul is not upholdable with this knowledge. Your brain dies your consciousness dies.

Fuck off OP this is an atheist board

Those.....periods...really...convinced.........me..........wow.......made...............me.....think.....

christ says theres a soul in every human, and heaven/hell exist.

Of course you don't somehow keep living after you die. Thinking otherwise is stupid.
>are you willing to trust christ
Never trust a jew

Smoke some DMT and you'll find whatever comes next isn't so bad. Kind of comfy.

>t.. outdated understanding of consciousness

Look. We all knew you're the larping from the flag. No reason to prove your atheism by replacing logical discussion with faux piety

Not even christian apologists deny the mind brain connection.
Not that it makes a difference. I'm sure you can provide arguments that refute the scientific consensus and only avoided making an argument to make it more dramatic

>focuses on periods over argument

There was no argument. "Go dedicate your life to it and you'll see it's true" means nothing because only those who are biased will ever be able to make a claim.

what is your take on the hard problem of consciousness?

what, that made sense..

That it doesn't exist. Our understanding of the brain is evermoreincreasing and every new discovery fits the mind-brain connection. We can even influence people's consciousness just by stimulating the brain in a certain way.
We don't know everything but everything we know fits the mind brain relation. A "soul" is regarding what we know really not defensible. Except if God decides to smash the part of your soul coincidentally always the exact same time something smashes your brain.

Why would i trust christ when Thor can literally beat him in every way possible?

>you either trust christ's words or you dont. are you willing to trust christ or not

NO!

I will never trust revolutionary kikes

Why wouldn't you want to belief it?
On one side you die, you stop existing. Okay, whatever.
On the other, you belief there's something after life. You go to heaven and repeat all the good moments like groundhogs day.
Honestly, who doesn't want that?
So, if the instance I am wrong, and there is no heaven I really never lost anything. But if I happened to be correct, then it would greatly pay off..

Because you can't choose your convictions. And the fact that you says "want to believe" makes me think you're not all that game.
If you don't actually believe in the afterlife wasting your life chasing it seems like a waste. You have no idea how much christianity aside from pop christianity or liberal denominations demands of it's followers.
You die with christ and get reborn with christ. You die in your sin. You have to be/aim to be holy as he was holy for the rest of your life. Take on your cross. Embrace hardship and suffering.
Giving 80 years to do Jesus stuff instead of stuff you like just to then conclude it's not true sounds like a bitter experience

>trusting a Jew
>ever

inb4 Christcuck pilpul

what do you have to say about out of body experiences/near death experiences?

do you have any experience with mushrooms/psilocybin/dmt? I am very confident when I say that the scientific community does not have a full grasp of what these substances transform our brains into, considering the ban on drug testing that has stifled this area of research

>Trust/Truth
>Kike

Biblical Christianity teaches Resurrection, not reanimation and not an incorporeal soul that resides separate the body.
There's no mind over matter in Christianity. Mind is matter. the mind does not survive death. The soul is the life of the body as seen in God's eyes. The body will be resurrected by God, given new life.
Biblical religion does *NOT* teach that there is a soul made of spiritual essence or that there is any Spiritual essence at all. God is spirit, spirit is life and it's either yours and subject to death or God's and subject to eternal life.

No out of body experience ever was able to be confirmed. People who claimed to have had such were unable to provide information.
For example I recall this one guy who claimed he floated above the lights or something but didn't know they had a special design or something. Of course that's just one but as I said none ever produced knowledge where one could confirm their out of body experience.

>do you have any experience with mushrooms/psilocybin/dmt?
No.
>I am very confident when I say that the scientific community does not have a full grasp of what these substances transform our brains into, considering the ban on drug testing that has stifled this area of research
Ok. The issue is the soul stuff clearly and demonstrably was made up from before people could explain our consciousness. Applying this to our current medical knowledge is just willfully ignorant.

The issue with all this is: Naturalism is sufficient. The religious models aren't just faith based anymore. They have to deny objective medical facts (that a change in our brain defaults a change in our "soul")
The pic I initially posted is a guy who in an accident had his head pierced by a metal bar and survived. His eternal soul incidentally changed on the same day and people described a drastic change in character since the accident.

What kind of heartless person can look at the pic OP posted, let the story of calvary sink in and still go about their day spitting on Christ's message?

Honestly it amazes how wicked people can be

That is actually a good argument.
But it raises the question: If mind is dependent on matter, how could God have a mind before there was matter?

Related thread, check it out

>let the story of calvary sink in
The story of a jew cultist getting what he deserved? How could you not spit on his horrid message?

worship a jew

sage

Nope, bible seems too man-made and insignificant. New testament contradicts old testament.
It's most probable that we are all god, and Jesus just ate shrooms in a Buddhist monastery.

>influence people's consciousness
You cant even prove other people are actually conscious

As a scientist this is so fucking stupid an argument to make. Your arrogance reeks of ignorance, you really just don't know what you are talking about.

God is unknowable. Kierkegaard said it best- God does not think, God creates. This is all we could know from our vantage, as created beings. Paul the Apostle said we know God thru and by His creation.

I trust in the Lord Our God, and his word. God Bless OP

>How could you not spit on his horrid message?
>God's infinite love for man
>dying for our sins
>eternal salvation
Yeah what a horrid message...

...

Jesus was not a Jew. He was a Levite thru his Mother. That's it. You mizewell not believe in Jesus at all if you don't accept the virgin birth. If Jesus was not God, however so, despite our inability to understand, and did not rise from the dead, resurrected- than Christianity is fucking stupid and no one should believe it.
Any 'Christian' who denies this stuff and settles on some halfassed, secular, 'let's all lov eone another' bullshit to gain members for their fruity little club... well, they're not being a Christ. Which is what was commanded by Christ.

>Jesus was not a Jew.
Are you saying the Bible is wrong?

>As a scientist
Said no scientist ever

>this is so fucking stupid an argument to make
That our mind is connected to our brain? Not even christian scientists deny that. I'm starting to think your whole "as a science" was just to gain credibility.

>Your arrogance reeks of ignorance, you really just don't know what you are talking about
Which is why you didn't give counterarguments?

Aww cmon man you can't go full blown off the script immediately in your bait

Which is fine. I'm not anti faith. But the OP specifically asked how we know there is nothing after death. If you don't believe death is permanent be my guest. I just find it annoying when people start to mud the water because they haven't thought through their own convictions

>Implying you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you what they are and their functions
>Implying that if the mind is connected to the brain, the state of the consciousness is likewise connected to the state of the brain as well althought there is no evidence of it
Brainlet

>Jesus was not a Jew. He was a Levite

I don't necessarily disagree with you, BUT-
Jesus died for our sins... Yeah... BUT, Jesus was no saint as we know them, nor was he a hero. He really was what we'd consider an idiot- in the Dostoyevskyan sense.
Nietzsche's writings on Jesus are a good way to temper the sanctimony.
Jesus isn't tinkerbell, we don't need to believe for Him to win- He already did. His messages were besides the point, death were defeated. Christs are tasked w/ preserving life and truth and agape in the mean time. The saving of souls so to speak.

>No out of body experience ever was able to be confirmed. People who claimed to have had such were unable to provide information.
All this tells me is that our current scientific models are not capable of understanding this through measurement. There is a clear phenomenon that tens of thousands of people have experienced, yet science cant even begin to tackle it. This comes back to the fact that we dont not understand how literal, innate dead matter has developed awareness of itself and is surroundings through complex biological processes (life). Its all we know yet we do not understand it in the (((main-stream literature.)))

>No.
I feel you cant really begin to have a full understanding of this issue until you eat a fat 5g of shrooms. They're called magic for a reason.

>christians are jews

>"as a scientist"
>doesn't even claim a field
>muh authority

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>Implying you trust the chemicals in your brain to tell you what they are and their functions
I do. But I know what you meant.
>Implying that if the mind is connected to the brain, the state of the consciousness is likewise connected to the state of the brain as well althought there is no evidence of it
Uhm yeah there is. It's called a blackout. Or otherway round: stimulating brain>stimulating consciousness.
Brain stops consciousness stops. That is the only reasonable conclusion from our data. Wildly departing from what we know to go into speculation and then accompany it with "brainlet lol" just shows your larp and disdain for honest discussion

>t. edgelord teen

Is dinner ready yet?

>yet science cant even begin to tackle it
It does though. There's literally endless stuff on it why near death experiences happen. You're just willfully ignorant.

>the fact that we dont not understand how literal, innate dead matter has developed awareness of itself and is surroundings through complex biological processes
Yet.

>I feel you cant really begin to have a full understanding of this issue until you eat a fat 5g of shrooms. They're called magic for a reason.
Can't argue with that. I'd be willing to try LSD if it comes from a safe souce under controlled medical conditions.
But unless legalised and studied this won't happen so we two can never disclose the subject

>Australian """science"""

No, he was not a member of the Tribe of Judah, legally he was the Son of David, as he was the Son By law of Joseph, who was of Davidic descent.

He was not a Jew, nor was he really a Levite. His human genes were of the tribe of Levi, as his Mother, Mary was the niece of Elizabeth, a Levi. Which was considered different back then. He certainly was not a Jew as we know them. He wasn't a Jew. The Bible never says he was a Jew. It never explicitly says he wasn't either. It's not important. Paul the Apostle stated a Jew was someone followed Christ, the name became applied to all those who aggressively denied Him and followed reform Judaism, e.g. Rabbi Akiba, the true founder of modern Judaism. Jesus wasn't even a Judean- He was Galilean. He was an Israelite, tho.

No doubt that people went overboard with it. Yet changes in consciousness under brain stimulation are reproducable in the lab.
This isn't something to have an opinion about it is fact.
Plus that everytime we see changes in personality or (don't know how else to put it) "long term consciousness" it is accompanied by brain tissue changes.
Saying people exaggerated on how he changed does in no way change the FACT of mind brain connection

>Conditional love, also infinite hatred
>Self-declared avatar of higher power, guaranteed a return to higher aspect in Heaven, nothing but pure theatrics
>Contingent on complete submission

Come on, guy.

>He certainly was not a Jew as we know them. He wasn't a Jew. The Bible never says he was a Jew
Uh yes it does. He explicitely said he was only send to Israel.

>Paul the Apostle stated a Jew was someone followed Christ, the name became applied to all those who aggressively denied Him and followed reform Judaism, e.g. Rabbi Akiba, the true founder of modern Judaism. Jesus wasn't even a Judean- He was Galilean. He was an Israelite, tho.
This theory again. And it's still dumb. The phariseeic judaism of Jesus age was closely related to talmudic judaism. We have the mishnas. This isn't lost knowledge. And all the aspects of hereditary judaism where in place long before Jesus.
He went to the temple he got circumcised he studied the Torah. There is just no way to deny this which raises the question why a supposed """""christian""""" denies the human form his God took just to appease his political twentieth century antisemitism against everything every denomination of christianity ever taught?

Facts are Facts. How people interpret them or what they use them don't always coincide with truth. The mind is part of the brain, life and truth are outside the mind, shaping it. These two things, intangible yet totally relying on what is tangible to be the intangible source and ultimacy, are spiritual. Mind is matter, the mind probly does not survive death apropos time and space.

>life and truth are spiritual
No. There are clear definitions for both these and they are not reliant on spirituality

>he was an Israelite tho.
He wasn't a Jew. I'm not an antisemite and I'm impolitical. I despise racialism, period. Jesus was something of a Pharisee, as they were the new guys, the cutting edge of the day yet he did not get along with them and always upended their teachings. A lot of His followers were Pharisees. Antisemitism and what people do has no bearing on the truth. Jesus wasn't a Jew. The Resurrected Jesus is who Christs worship, the Guy in Revelation.

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>ken "my ark is complete with cranes and concrete" ham pushes the "atheism is a religion" line AGAIN

Praise YAHWEH Jesus is LORD.

I meant as an essence. There is no spiritual essence that people can seize upon.

>Jesus wasn't a Jew
You keep saying that but that doesn't make it true. He fits literally every definition of jew.
For a non-anti semite you seem to be very invested in him not being jewish

>It does though. There's literally endless stuff on it why near death experiences happen. You're just willfully ignorant.
I was talking more in regards to out of body experiences, I realize NDE are more better understood, I brought it up because it often coincides with out of body experiences. OFBE simply are not testable in a controlled environment, but that doesnt mean they are not real/dont happen, its simply currently beyond our understanding. Plenty of people can tell you of their experiences, but its just not a testable thing that can be better understood, unless you can induce these states and measure them somehow.

>Can't argue with that. I'd be willing to try LSD if it comes from a safe souce under controlled medical conditions.
I find LSD is slightly-overrated compared to a good experience on shrooms, which if done right is an indescribable experience, bordering on religious/spiritual.

And since this is Sup Forums, ill go as far to say it is not an accident that the US gov and other governments have banned testing with these substances, there is something the power elite (or jews, whatever you want to call them) are trying to hide about what goes on in our heads. If you ever decide to try shrooms one day and have a strong and good trip, you will understand what im getting at, it'll hit you like a brick wall. There is a lot we do not understand in regards to this topic, at least within public knowledge.

He fits every definition of Jew after the fact. I don't like Judaism nor do I like Judeo-Christianity or non-Quranic Islam. I don't like paganism or secularism or nationalism or racialism or buddhism or humanism. Jesus wasn't any of those things, He was God. He wasn't a Jew. God is not a Jew. He was an Israelite as he was certainly a Vicar of God, the Father. He certainly struggled with God in all ways. But he was Begotten, he was One Flesh with God's Spirit, which has no mystical presence here in spells or beliefs or gnosis or ectoplasm- certainly not in tribalism.

>the truth's we don't know
yoi're going to hell

>catholicism
you're going to hell

reminder that the bible regularly trashes jews and the the jesus-jew debate is a distraction

>OFBE simply are not testable in a controlled environment, but that doesnt mean they are not real/dont happen
Yet everytime the claimed information WAS measurable the oobe was wrong.

>I don't like Judaism nor do I like Judeo-Christianity
>He was God
>God is not a Jew. He was an Israelite
You can say all that. It doesn't change that Jesus was a jew nor do I understand why you so vehemntly deny it except if you're more afraid of Sup Forums calling him a jew than God's wrath upon those ashamed of him

>oobe

>or non-Quranic Islam.
All islam is quranic and you don't have the authority to just throw away the sahih because you don't like it, not without being an apostate

I couldn't give two fucks what Sup Forums thinks. Jesus was not a Jew. Not in any sense. He was not a member of their tribe genetically, He was put to death by their leaders and in the metaphysical sense-...- Did he really ever praise God? He said only his Father was Good, thas a kinda sorta praise but for the most part He walked and talked as tho He was God, which he was. Jew means Praiser- Jeus WAS. Hebrew roots is a socio-political thing. Antisemitism is the same. Jesus wasn't a Jew. No Antisemitism intended, as sins of the father can only affect 4-5 generations deep, and thas re: idolatry. No christian, going by the bible can condemn Jews for being Jews because the only witness is Matthew, and thas one too few. Jesus prayed forgiveness for the people crucifying Him for their ignorance, not really killing him- he never prayed for it for racist assholes. And So On...

Mark 16.16

Believe or face hell (which is oblivion andnot fire and shit)

>andnot fire
So what about the whole cast into the lake of fire that will never cease thing?

I'm not a Muslim in the Hagarene, Arabic sense and I never was, so I'm not an apostate. I'm in the Isaac camp and I am a person of the book. I do not know enough about the hadiths to remark on them.

just a metaphor and always has been

>the bible is a metaphor
Stop it.

>Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Any reason you believe this aside from your personal hatred for christian doctrine?

Who cares if there is/isnt something after death? In the worst case there is no heaven or rebirth etc and you just stop existing, which isnt too bad considering everybody non-existed before they were born for gorillion of years.
And i dont remember that being too bad.

I don't trust anything on insufficient evidence.


I don't doubt Christ's existence. You'd be a retard to deny that.

I do doubt his claims about being the son of god or holy in any way.

Christianity is far too illogical to a religion for me to place my faith in.

Now the belief that there could be a sentient being of some nature out there maybe.

A random middle eastern Jew whom proclaims to be sent from God? No.

>pictelated, oc freshly made

what if as you're about to die, as you see a white light your brain releases the most absurd amount of chemicals and it makes you experience absolute bliss and those few seconds feel like eternity for your brain.

I don't trust anybody who says my reward for faithful service will be paid on death.

((((they)))) can never prove atheism is true. The only fact that can be proven is God is alive ( even if you aren't)

>I don't trust anything on insufficient evidence.
>I don't doubt Christ's existence. You'd be a retard to deny that.

Why must you express your stupidity online? There is insufficient evidence of Jesus. Not even Roman historians mention a Jesus

Time is so everything doesn't happen at once. Believing in a life after death BELIEF- that is believing in a belief and not having Faith that death is not final and/or believing Death is final, erroneously referred to as disbelief, can keep people from taking part in that Happening.

>those few seconds feel like eternity for your brain.
Pretty sure there's a top on how much time your brain can simulate in a few seconds

If there was really nothing after death, you wouldn't be here now. Lots of people died before your shitpost.

time is a construct of the brain in the first place so

There is salvation and eternal life after death, but only if you go through our Lord Jesus Christ for man can not save himself from Adam's death, but only through the death of our Lord and His rising by His Father can we truly reach salvation, as we too will be risen from the dead if we truly believe in faith through our works.

May the grace of God and our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all forever, and to those who believe, your faith everlasting. Amen.

>Trust the thousandth retelling of the tale of the kike on a stick
>Use it to define my entire worldview
My culture also has fairy tales. Do you see me worshipping Jack and the giant?

Here's the evidence for you carnal minded who only believe the words of man.

No. Time is a sequence of incidents.
Time existed before the brain.

>promotes organised religion
nice try but no, so-called church christianity is total bilge and has nothing to do with actual christianity
>opposes violence but supports justice
justice is gods remit and has nothing to do with the actions and decisions of men

your image implies that "extreme pacifism" is somehow not "real christianity". what do you mean by "extreme pacifism"? given that retaliation, use of violence in general and use of violence in defence of oneself are all quite clearly incompatible with the teachings of jesus christ

Imma do pic related when I see Him. Except the face will never be looking upwards. Always on the dirty ground

>If there was really nothing after death, you wouldn't be here now.
This doesn't make any sense. Your parents didn't rise from the dead to conceive you. Life is born of life.

thats the human perspective, how we make sense of things, there is nothing intrinsic or "real" to time in relation to how the universe works, especially given how large it is

As a martyr, Jesus sacrificed himself to "save" us. He resurrected when the idea of Jesus and his teachings continued long after his physical death and were preserved for 2 thousand years for anyone with the desire to access and learn the truth.

Therefore he never actually died and continues live on saving people through the idea alone. This is all that matters to me.

christianity is dying and turning into mythology much like greek religion.


I dont think your little faggy jewsus christ is going to make a rerun.

cross worshipers.