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They lost the war

They WANTED niggers in America.

they are american

tpbp?

They wanted nigger slaves

they didn't use niggers as cannon fodder like the north did.

They shouldve compromised to deport the farm equipment.
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They didnt win the war

They supported Slavery.

It was doomed to fail from the start, and I don't even mean militarilty though that's certainly true. Manufacturing was becoming the new game of the world and they didn't have the equipment or resources to catch up in time. They would've become the equivalent of a 3rd world nation.

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@1:27:00 explains the problem

I dont like the idea of how they didnt try to appeal to England and France for assistance in the war

They should had picked their own cotton. Bringing Niggers was a mistake.
t. former Confederate soldier descendant

Too much focus on agriculture and not on industry.

Their economic policy and politicians were literal retards.

See I disagree, Jefferson Davis was not incompetent, he was just put in charge of an impossible to succeed situation.

they wanted to, but they had their own problems in the continent and didn't want to support a slave power
they were already there tho
true, but to give them some credit, the south was already like that, and they didn't have the time to try to fix it
redpill us on this

Fuck off leaf

they gave up too easy

>too easy
Are we completely ignoring how much damage was dealt to the homefront for the south? Remember the Confederacy didn't have a conscripted army like the Union, and there's only so much of your homeland you can see completely torched (while the same has not been done to the other side) before a volunteer can say "fuck this, I'm giving up before we lose everything"

They had boatload after boatload of Irishman, there was no winning.

They had as much economic sense as your average millennial so they decided to just print money to fund the war.

Bread went from .02 cents to like 6 dollars. People were literally starving.

Also they simply could not compete with a manufacturing-based world economy, and a lot of their politicians were hilariously corrupt and spent their time in their war of independence on pork barrel spending for their friends.

They were too weak to defend their own lands.

I thought pol would mention their jewishness first things in the thread. Surprised

Some of the states had more negroes than Whites. That's not a smart situation

This.

The south actually had a chance to win. All they had to do was:

>Capitalize on Britain or any other enemy of the Union
>Not print money hastily like the retards they are
>Get rid of corrupt politicians
>Not be so aggressive.

The Northern democrats were about to oust Lincoln. All they had to do was play the waiting game.

They were lazy bastards who couldn't do their own work.

They treated blacks like property

Actually on that note, why WASN'T the Confederacy using a conscripted army? If there's one situation where you say "you know what fuck all this volunteer shit, we need every soldier you can get."

>The south actually had a chance to win.

No not really. The North still had them beaten in having railroads, a far larger population, the ability to mass-produce weaponry due to all the factories, and not having a large black population that didn't like them. The Confederacy had the best generals and the homefront advantage, and they lost the latter when they decided to push into the Northern states. The North could've beaten them through sheer military attrition, they didn't even have to fight smart.

The dumbass who wrapped Lee's Special Order around some cigars and then accidentally dropped them, ruining Lee's first northern invasion

Shut up faggot

It was a government that existed solely to perpetuate chattel slavery. Lost Causers invented the states' rights myth after they lost the war. Before the war they were crying and weeping that states weren't enforcing the Federal Fugitive Slave Act. So they're hypocrites, that's another one. Oh, and their song is stupid. Battle Hymn of the Republic is much better.

They allow yankee fucks in, then don't gas them once they are here. Especially New York City Jews in Miami.

Slaves are more useful in ag than ind

sephardic jews sided with them, though i suppose that wasnt something they really had a choice in.

Slaves made it hard for white workers to get jobs.

1. The Confederacy did have a draft. It was extremely unpopular and had high deserter rates.

2. The Confederacy could've won if it would've capitalized on the early parts of the war sooner when McClellan was still in charge. McClellan was too worried about losing his fancy titles to actually fight and was failing to even do basic things like defend major points. It wouldn't have took too many major victories to have convinced Britain and France to help and have the north pressure Lincoln into surrender.

>Judah Philip Benjamin, QC (August 11, 1811 – May 6, 1884) was a lawyer and politician who was a United States Senator from Louisiana, a Cabinet officer of the Confederate States and, after his escape to the United Kingdom at the end of the American Civil War, an English barrister. Benjamin was the first Jew to be elected to the United States Senate who had not renounced the religion, and the first of that faith to hold a Cabinet position in North America.
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They also used St. Andrew's Cross instead of St. George's cross to avoid offending jews, after one asked them not to put a christian cross in the flag.
>Miles received a variety of feedback on this design, including a critique from Charles Moise, a self-described "Southerner of Jewish persuasion." Moise liked the design but asked that "...the symbol of a particular religion not be made the symbol of the nation." Taking this into account, Miles changed his flag, removing the palmetto and crescent, and substituting a heraldic saltire ("X") for the upright cross.
> The diagonal cross was preferable, he wrote, because "it avoided the religious objection about the cross (from the Jews and many Protestant sects), because it did not stand out so conspicuously as if the cross had been placed upright thus."
>According to Coski, the Saint Andrew's Cross (also used on the flag of Scotland as a white saltire on a blue field) had no special place in Southern iconography at the time, and if Miles had not been eager to conciliate the Southern Jews, his flag would have used the traditional upright "Saint George's Cross" (as used on the flag of England, a red cross on a white field).

They were run by jews

Oh fuck.

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which song?
they did they had a chance if they managed to secure the UK's and maybe France's support. The world would be really different today if they did.
true, and btw it's nice how people wanted to leave but not to have to fight for it. People like this are cancer, just like old neocons who want the fight but not to fight

Too many niggers

Everyone keeps bringing up Britain and France, but why is no one considering that those countries would have more long-term gain from a partnership with the manufacturing noth?

As a son of /DIXIE/ I must say that Robert E. Lee went full blown retarted at Gettysburg and wasted a whole generation of southerners in Pickets charge.

They supported slavery.

Ruined this country forever by importing niggers and breeding them. Ruined it further by killing Lincoln before he could deport them. Also this

that's because they actually considered an alliance with the confederates

I enjoy Saint Andrew's cross more anyway. St. George's is kinda overused. Appealing to Jews though always sucks.

It also excluded the aristocrats from the draft and they couldn't even be assed to grow food for the army that was starving to death.

Because Britain and France saw the north as competition and didn't like them. They did however enjoy the fair prices on southern cotton. Britain and France might've even joined the south regardless if it wasn't for Russia threatening war if they got involved.

>if it wasn't for Russia threatening war if they got involved.
ironic af isn't it?

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Civillian leadership was lacking to say the least, especially with the state governments who got into constant pissing matches with Richmond.

As a whole, the Confederate government's focus on decentralized power ultimately helped undo it because it could not organize its war effort effectively.

Why did they have to change thier accents, just to be "different" from the north. Southern talk is awful! Everything else about the south was fine though.

Davis' problem was that he had spent almost his entire adult life in the military or primarily working
with people in the military. He expected out of his civilian counterparts a level of selflessness that they simply were not able to give him.

This, both invasions of the North were extremely high risk with low potential payoff. They were fool's errands from the start.

"When the people of the South settled on the shores of Maryland, Virginia, the Carolinas, and Georgia, they had no intention of encouraging or even tolerating the institution of slavery. The thrifty New England seamen, solely with the view of profit, urged slavery upon all the Colonies. The evil of this traffic soon became apparent to the people of the South, and when the Constitution was framed in 1787, the South demanded that the fundamental law of our land should inhibit this traffic of importing human beings from Africa. The South was resisted by the New England slave-traders." - Joseph Wheeler

What's the deal with these psy-op threads lately? Some leftypol shitposting?

I wasn't a big fan of the grey uniforms. Otherwise tho, I don't give enough of a fuck to care. It's long gone now, time to focus on today's issues.

They were a bunch of assholes who literally owned people as industrial property and threw a bitchfit and rebelled against the united states over it, then got brutally destroyed as anyone with half a brain could tell they would because all the goddamn industry was in the north while the south's economy was tobacco and cotton farming.

the fact that there's still statues celebrating these traitor fucks on publicly owned american soil is a travesty

There should have been more compromise on both sides. This was a different era where men challenged each other to duels to see who would carry the lady's luggage, Eliza Frances Andrews - Albany, GA 1864. They were men bound by honor, and they took that litterally. 90% of their reason for secession was interpretation of the Constitution. That mattered most to them. Fully one half of the US Congress left, and the primary reason for splitting the country in two, was not over fucking niggers.

There were way too many Democrats in the Confederacy.

They adopted the basis of government that failed and was abandoned by the United States. The Idea of a Confederation is about as stupid as the idea of socialism for opposite reasons. A completely decentralized government is the last thing you want coordinating and fighting a war.

you sound like a feminist, trying to rewrite history. Was Wheeler really a black man who taught the white man how to fry chicken, make whiskey, and do calculus with chicken bones?

Retard alert

you sound like a bitch trying to ignore facts to cement your own worldview.

Stop being paranoid

The South used a system much like the elites of today pitting the lower people or different races against each other to maintain power.

The average free white person in the south was devastatingly poor and much of that had to do with slavery depressing wages.

Slavery as an institution was a major factor in retarding the progress of humanity over our history.

true

Expanding slavery into new territories was literally pointless and caused our downfall

Lincoln was a Liberal Homosexual.
Jefferson Davis was a Conservative.

Judah p. Benjamin

50 years later, not much had changed.

History is always written by the winners....and the villains are always the winners

They didn't expel the kikes from the whole country

GRANT, USYSSES S. 19th century American general, politician. While in command of the 13th Army Corps, headquartered at Oxford, Mississippi, he became so infuriated at Jewish camp-followers attempting to penetrate the conquered territory that he finally attempted to expel the Jews: "I have long since believed that in spite of all the vigilance that can be infused into post commanders, the special regulations of the Treasury Department have been violated, and that mostly by Jews and other unprincipled traders. So well satisfied have I been of this that I instructed the commanding officers at Columbus to refuse all permits to Jews to come South, and I have frequently had them expelled from the department, but they come in with their carpet-sacks in spite of all that can be done to prevent it. The Jews seem to be a privileged class that can travel anywhere. They will land at any woodyard on the river and make their way through the country. If not permitted to buy cotton themselves, they will act as agents for someone else, who will be at military post with a Treasury permit to receive cotton and pay for it in Treasury notes which the Jew will buy up at an agreed rate, paying gold. (Letters to C. P. Wolcott, assistant secretary of war, Washington, December 17, 1862)

1). The Jews, as a class, violating every regulation of trade established by the Treasury Department, and also Department orders, are hereby expelled from the Department.
2). Within twenty-four hours from the receipt of this order by Post Commanders, they will see that all of this class of people are furnished with passes and required to leave, and anyone returning after such notification, will be arrested and held in confinement until an opportunity occurs of sending them out as prisoners, unless furnished with permits from these headquarters.
3). No permits will be given these people to visit headquarters for the purpose of making personal application for trade permits. By order of Major Gen. Grant Jno. A. Rawlings, Assistant Adjutant General (General Order Number 11, December 17, 1862)
The expulsion order was immediately countermanded by the general-in-chief, H. W. Halleck, in Washington. Apparently the expelled Jews had immediately contacted their kinsmen there and had pressure brought to bear.

We will soon remedy that though kike

I think the thing I dislike most about the Confederacy is that it didn't manage to leave more histories of itself.

Grant was terribly shy. He was so shy that he holed himself up in his room crying when he had a panic attack at his daughter's wedding. He also was so sensitive to the sight of blood due to the horrors of war that he could only eat meat well-done so there'd be no blood.

Whites could be slaves.

slavery was stupid, it stifled innovation

They generally weren't though, they were indentured servants. Which in some ways was worse because in order to avoid paying off and freeing the indentured servant after the 7 years, the master would often work them literally to death.

They consist mostly of subhuman trailer trash

1. They were crony capitalist: The Confederacy was obviously an aristocratic corrupt crony capitalist system. While Lincoln's Supreme Court allowed all to have equal value under the law the Confederacy was survival of the richest

2. Slavery which is disgusting, need I say more? Slavery is the most disgusting thing in the world.

3. Racism: Slavery and racism are both disgusting so i am including it as two different things. Racism against blacks is bad, but slavery against someone because they're black is beyond fucked up

4. They were traitors to the union.

5. They were racist to other Europeans which although i consider all racism equally bad, pointing out this will make a lot of Germans, IRish, and Italians who supported them think again.

>not liking 50 Shades of Grey

fag

>They were traitors to the union.

Since when have you Shareblue faggots ever cared about that? You're trying to get California to leave the Uniona s we speak.

They killed their second best General through sheer incompetency.

No one leaves. If I had it my way I'd take it a step further and go full Tokugawa Japan where you literally can't step into or outside the nation, completely seal it off from the world.

THe alt-right wants the South to renslave blacks and supports Nazi Germany yet democrats are traitors? What world are you on!

They only shot one radical Republican. They didn't assassinate Sherman or Sheridan. They didn't compromise between the needs of war and the principle of states' rights and local government.

Worst of all, they don't embrace the fact that they're a nation now.

This is just more trolling to create fissures in what resolve we have, right?

Making us question our own ideals in order to slowly turn us away from them.

the right wants nothing to do with slaves you fag, we want them to go back.

If questioning your ideals makes you turn away then surly they weren't strong in the first place.

go away with your psychotronic fidget mind control spinners

>Re-enslave blacks
Did you get this idea from the insidious hacker known as Sup Forums? Either that or they're really spiking the Kool-Aid in New York.

That's racist. I respect republicans but not racism.

It's so far away

Yeah no there isn't a single southern nationalist group that supports the return of slavery. Especially not the League of the South which is the most relevant one today.

The SPLC said that in the agenda of the far-right there is some crazy things.

They were funded by a jew.

They still want a goverment