What does Sup Forums think of TRP? Before I came to Sup Forums I used to lurk there, which eventually led me to T_D, which led me to Sup Forums, the JQ, race realism, international finance system etc.
Looking back though, I am not quite sure what to think about TRP. Pros Leads people to bigger redpills Calls out nu-males, feminists and the anti-male agenda Gives good, basic advice (lift, dress nicely, stand up for yourself) Interesting discussion of evolutionary psychology, biology and how it relates to human relationships Cons Uses reddit Degenerate, encourages male promiscuity and enables female promiscuity Lack of appreciation for spirituality/traditionalism Discourages starting a family
Lol betas LARPing as alphas in a PUA 2.0 circlejerk that's actually even less useful. You have to go back.
Tyler Ramirez
> triggered autists detected
Grayson Bennett
>ITT: edgy autists not recognizing that some subreddits are not like the rest of reddit
Asher Wilson
another leddit faggot, get the fuck off my board
Jason Lee
see
Aiden Reed
You guys seriously need to get the fuck out of here, when has it ever been acceptable to openly discuss reddit on this site? Get the fuck out and stay out
Gabriel Edwards
I dislike TRP because it's a bunch of unproven assertions, and I dislike "Red Pillers" because they promote "plate spinning" aka fucking cheating on multiple women and are just Neo Pick Up Artists. Any man who measures his worth by how many women he can fuck is a sad, pathetic loser.
Brayden Long
Why do posters admit using reddit and why do they defend it when called out on their shit? When exactly did this start? Like, every board is infested with these kinds of posters now. Mind-boggling.
Justin Rivera
Used to be about more than just how to get laid and working out. It's basically a degenerate narcissistic community of former nerdy incels making up stories about how they became Chad by being an asshole.
The PUA community in general is retarded. Chances are that if you don't naturally attract women, you're going to end up alone or with a woman who settled for you because she couldn't get anyone better. Sorry, that's reality. The number of Rico Suave manlets with a busted face and no charisma fending off the ladies is barely worth mentioning and does not disprove the trend of all women preferring tall, confident, attractive men.
Their ethos is basically "everything is going to hell so please yourself and eschew any sense of personal responsibility to society". Very degenerate, and it's a shame because they could have been about much more.
Aaron Johnson
Why don't you make a real argument? Or have you just given up on life and are now trying to shame anyone who isn't a nihilist like yourself? Finally, a real argument. And you're right, the hedonism is not conducive to a righteous life. On the whole, plebbit is terrible, but some of the resources on TRP are good, even if the posts are not. Dalrock, Rational Male, and many of the books on the sidebar make for compelling reading material in one's effort to understand the sexual marketplace and the dynamics of male-female relationships. Why do posters admit to trying to D&C communities which are opposed to the current progressive paradigm? (((Who))) would want to do such a thing instead of sharing knowledge? Agreed, hence why I don't lurk there anymore.
Mason Lopez
it will never end.
Daniel Evans
NOT A SLIDE THREAD 100% LEGIT
Zachary Torres
> everyone I don't like is a shill Why don't you make an actual argument? I want to discuss the relative merits and shortfalls of the presuppositions presented on TRP, and you're a faggot LARPing as a keyboard warrior.
Noah Perry
GET THE FUCK OFF THE BOARD YOU CANCEROUS DONALD PIECE OF SHIT
Brayden Martinez
> STOP DOING THINGS I DON'T LIKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Monarchy or death
Ryan Jenkins
I really like the red pill. There is definitely a lot of good content there. It is the place to go to have your perception of the world hammered back to reality when it comes to women and masculinity.
The next place in my opinion is 21 studios. Has a lot of great talks that goes along with TRP thinking and really teaches you how to become a man. Recomend to any other young polacks, or anyone, that wants to better their life. youtube.com/channel/UCuErSr7xeR763BzTJL7yJ7A
Logan Diaz
I've always been on 4chinz, leaf I found TRP a few years back when it started but stopped being a regular a while ago, I check in from time to time It's an important place for men who can't see the sexual marketplace clearly or need to learn how to assert themselves.
Jace Campbell
Link is shoah'd m8. I find the sidebar of TRP is okay, but I don't find a lot of value in 99% of the user posts. Yep, this is me. Mom and dad are neocon boomer cucks and are extremely hostile to any kind of redpills except Fox News-tier complaining about feminists, so trying to come to a more realistic picture of the world has been hard.
Angel Scott
>evolution stopped reading there, faggot.
Jaxson Ross
>Link is shoah'd m8. Give one of their videos a shot
Elijah Taylor
More specifically, I take issue with the TRP doctrines of "plate spinning" and I'm trying to formulate a more articulated criticism of some of their other presuppositions such as their extreme emphasis of biology as the be-all-end-all of understanding human relationships. Biology is important, but I wish they would integrate a more nuance w.r.t. spirituality/consciousness. > t. butt-hurt six day creationist Mormon Reality doesn't care about your feelings Ah, those are working, thanks.
Nathan Miller
>Mom and dad are neocon boomer cucks and are extremely hostile to any kind of redpills except Fox News-tier complaining about feminists, so trying to come to a more realistic picture of the world has been hard. yep, same here except my folks are blue state liberals instead of neocons and are extremely hostile to any kind of redpills except MSM complaining about president Trump.
Dominic Bailey
>still on this board woth his shitty topic of some fucktarded plebbit board Listen, I know you're a leaf, and critical thinking is hard for you, which is why you come here and siphon the opinions off of this board, but take your little spoon fed ass back to plebit and fucking stay there.
Blake Sanders
No, I belong to the 2000 year old Church founded by Jesus Christ: the Baptist church. Evolution is a bluepill
Angel Watson
> Listen, I know you're a burger, and walking up steps without a mobility aid is difficult for you, which is why you come here and siphon your grease off of this board, but take your little burger fed ass back to White Spot and fucking stay there It's okay, maybe one day you'll stop being a nihilist and become interested in how to be successful in life
Joseph Myers
Nice edge OP
Anthony Ramirez
> Biology is important, but I wish they would integrate a more nuance w.r.t. spirituality/consciousness.
Look into my link you would realize this. A lot of their philosophy is looking into the subjective aspect of masculinity rather than the objective biological reality.
Just a taste of what I am talking about. Just watch it. Next time don't be so quick to dismiss information when someone offers it
Gavin Flores
Ah, we were having a misunderstanding. I was lamenting TRP's lack of subjective perspective, and was pleased and interested when you posted a link which offered that. I'll add that vid to my playlist.
Matthew Kelly
>The Red Pill Subreddit >T_D, which led me to Sup Forums >the JQ, race realism this is the best bait iv seen in a while well done
Logan Anderson
Ya my bad. I thought you were dismissing the link because you didn't look at it. All good. Take care on your journey, friend.
Caleb James
Thanks, I appreciate it. Trying to fight my way out of the presuppositions of the resentful left has been exhausting, but it's worth it, I think.
Jeremiah Parker
The Red Pill seems to position itself as some sort of self-development outlook, but really it’s just PUA 2.0/ Once you get down to the very minimal part of the guidebook on how to actually conduct yourself with women, it’s the same fucking mindgames that won’t work on anyone who’s not emotionally unstable already. That’s why most of it is filled with really trivial nonsense like working out, which is presented as some kind of an amazing revelation and MGTOW articles about roasties ROOOOOOO that don’t do much for your inability to keep up a decent small talk. The Red Pill ethos is predicated on misdirection; as long as the person is distracted, they never notice the flaws in the logic. When you strip away the numbers game (it is) and PUA 101, Red Pill tactics just don’t work.
Pic related is the best summation of PUA and Le Red Pill faggotry.
Nathaniel Cook
I hear ya man. I was a leftist because it was my own way of projecting my existential depression and lack of appreciation of life. Nietzche was right in saying that socialists really are just resentful of life.
It took me a while to realize the individualism, the ideology that I took to be 100% as a child, where I believed I could do anything, when I was most happy, Is the true path.
I really recommend looking into tao/Buddhist philosophy mixed with individualism. The eastern thought is the right way perspective, individualism is the right means. Individualism is your emotional strength, while taoism/buddhism is your mental strength.
Grayson Gray
Agreed. It was much better a couple years ago. It's just pua 2.0 now where before it actually had deep discussions about evolutionary psychology and a variety of other solid gender topics. Such a shame they lost their way.
Dominic Brown
>hey guys, what do you think about mild slow cancer? See there's this cancer that is slightly better than full blown ass cancer and I was wondering if you guys think I should get it I think it's a good idea if you go get cancer, user.
God damn reddit
Liam Butler
not really
TRP leaves the door open to live whatever life you want. some take the black pill and just spin plates, and some actually attempt to become men and live a balanced life
doesn't take much to figure out most men didn't know wtf they were doing in the early-mid 1900's. women's suffrage was an avalanche and the main reason 90% of western men are cucks today. you either become a leader amongst your peers or you get your dick wet while watching the world burn
sure you get a bunch of nu-males there that overanalyze with their armchair psychology degrees. probably almost as many as there are in Sup Forums. it's the fucking internet. half of Sup Forums worships pixel titties
Eli Cook
Good post, though I cannot help but notice that even amongst the people that deride PUA/TRP for their deleterious social effects, there are a great number of people who do achieve their goal of getting laid, so they must be doing something correct. Problem is that my goal is not simply to get laid, but to meet, attract, and maintain a dynamic, loving relationship with a top-tier woman, and raise six (or seven) healthy white children, so TRP/PUA is not helpful. Really? 100% individualism? I am very conscious of the fact that the presuppositions which underlie individualism are the most efficient/aligned with reality, but I am not without a heart, and wrestle with what is the best way to address the suffering in the world. In my ideal, private charity would replace government handouts, but I know that will never happen. Also, what do you make of the Eastern emphasis on destroying/removing the ego? It has always struck me as somewhat hopeless and nihilistic, but am interested to hear your perspective. > implying Sup Forums is not cancer lmaoing at ur lyfe
Justin Barnes
Yeah you probably know much about my life nigger. Reddit is heavily censored, if there isnt free speech, what good is it? When discussing an issue I'd rather have people coming at me with everything imaginable rather than pander to my feelings, and I'd like to talk about whatever issue I want. Sup Forums might be fucking toxic, and you have to sift through alot of shit, but in terms of challenging all of your basic notions Reddit can't even be compared. And you know this
Nathan James
Of course I know this, dumbass, why do you think I'm on Sup Forums instead of reddit right now? Sup Forums is fucking filled to the brim with shitposters, bait thread, shills, and every disingenuous person you could imagine, but at least you can 'pan for gold' so to speak. This is trivial and distracting from the real issue at hand, which is to assess whether there is anything of value in the ideas and perspectives offered by groups such as TRP.
The main criticisms of them that I hear are that they are nihilistic, hedonistic, and fail to meaningfully take consciousness into account, a point that was (somewhat) addressed by However, I have yet to see a full Sup Forums analysis of TRP, whether their ideas are wrong, or simply incomplete (and therefore wrong).
Grayson Parker
>Really? 100% individualism? I am very conscious of the fact that the presuppositions which underlie individualism are the most efficient/aligned with reality, but I am not without a heart, and wrestle with what is the best way to address the suffering in the world. In my ideal, private charity would replace government handouts, but I know that will never happen. Yes that is true, without collectivistism there would be no morality. But what I am saying is exactly what your concern is. Tao covers the morality aspect of it, so I am not denying the joy that comes from being good. I am just saying that you can't truly be good until you have the strength to do so. Otherwise you are just an actor. To choose morality because YOU see the value in it is true morality. Leftists occupy the guise of morality because they don't understand that there will be cases where punishment and cold love is needed to teach a lesson. Individualism understands that. They see that the world will give back what you put in. >Also, what do you make of the Eastern emphasis on destroying/removing the ego? It has always struck me as somewhat hopeless and nihilistic, but am interested to hear your perspective. I studied a lot on eastern philosophy. They don't mean destroying the literal idea of the "I" that perceives everything. But rather, they believe of the dissolution of the idea of who you are. To see your personality is something that you constructed for your own benefit. For your own individual purpose. But what they believe is that contentment cannot be found with finding the ideal personality. Eventually you will see the meaninglessness behind the idea a personality and move on. The buddhist says stop running on the wheel. Contentment is found by accpeting the world around you. And when you do, there is no need for formulating false personalities. Enlightenment is without personality, but it is not without being.
Brayden Davis
Interesting, I had always gotten the impression that eastern philosophies were specifically formulated against the idea of a self/consciousness/soul, which always struck me as a radical skeptic position that was unhelpful. Does not biology show that we have a proclivity towards certain personality traits, as shown by the big five and its underlying neurological structures?
Mason Baker
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Connor Turner
Yes but a Buddhist would argue that it is not impossible to find the right path towards enlightenment. It may be harder for others but their position remains the same.
But let me give you some advice pertaining to this. You don't have to beleive in buddhism 100%. I don't. But I can tell you the benefit of developing a sort of "im fine with whatever outcome" is essential for becoming the ideal man that we envision. Without it the whole concept crumbles. This is true with individualism. But what I am saying that is really important, is about getting to this ideal by using indiviudalism and the eastern philosophy, since we know that they are essential, is this: You can't have true individualism without being fine without every outcome, and you can't be fine with any outcome without individualism.
Morality is the third axis.
Kevin Wilson
Yes, while a certain amount of non-attachment is very helpful, Sup Forums has made me re-consider becoming Catholic, and I'm not sure about what the Church's teaching is w.r.t. Buddhism and individualism.
Oliver Davis
It became a place where virgin incels make up stories LARPing as "chad" or "alphas". I don't disagree with a lot of the material, but it just comes off as pathetic to me. You cannot become "that guy". Chances are if you went without a lot of female attention in your youth, you are destined to be like that your entire life. You can work out all you want, you can dress nice, you can attempt to treat women like shit.........its not gonna work without the good looks and height to back it up. Simple.
Joseph Taylor
depends on your interpretation of the bible. If you interprete it as a strory of the mind, heaven being a state of enlightenment, or a state of 'revelatioin', buddhism are pretty close. The tricky part is where does God come in, and again that depends on your interpretation of God. If you think he is more human like and is conscious and has free-will, then no buddhism doesn't have a God. But if you think God is reason, which only reflects human attributes such as goodness and upholds law and order, then Buddhism has a God: To them it is karma
Noah Reed
>lift only pussies lift, fight or work to get strong
Jason Jenkins
i can already tell you ain't having any kids because your post oozes with autism
Kevin Flores
It's basically r9k larping as Chads. >Hey guys, I'm a NEET who managed to bang 9/10 supermodels with this one weird trick
Grayson Williams
The subreddit doesn't discourage traditionalism and starting a family to promote degeneracy, the subreddit discourages traditionalism and starting a family because marriage and having kids in today's western world will leave you broke and miserable most of the time.
They've taken away any incentive for men to commit anymore. Why take a 50/50 risk of losing half your shit, your kids, etc just for "tradition"? Our culture and laws are so dysfunctional, YOU ARE better off living the bachelor life if you want to be happy.
And honestly, it seems like the bachelor lifestyle is the only way society will learn to stop fucking over good men. Now that most guys are refusing to marry, people are starting to wake up and realize there's a problem. Right now they think problem is "boys who can't grow up" but eventually they'll have to face the truth and swallow that red pill.