So as far as I know, the only time NatSoc was tried was under Hitler, where the country quickly bloomed and became a industrial powerhouse.
My question is.
Provided that there was no war, would it have collapsed anyway like so many other socialist countries or would the nationalism part prevented it?
Like what is it that seperates NatSoc from just Socialism
Also was there something economically that made it different to other socialist countries?
Would a NatSoc country collapse on it own?
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Michael Cox
It probably would.
Some might argue that heavy eugenics would be implemented to prevent that, but how long before man gets beaten by nature.
Cooper Parker
>Provided that there was no war, would it have collapsed anyway like so many other socialist countries or would the nationalism part prevented it?
Yes. War economy is unsustainable.
Eli Richardson
NSDAP policy.
State buikds means of production, state ensures fairness and interests of everyone, state involves all the population in trade and development, state allows the people to trade.
Yes, (((collapse))), there is no possible route of collapse, only.counter revolutionaries to stonp out in marxists and capitalists.
Landon White
I don't believe I said it wasn't but surely a country that relies on having wars all the time to have a good economy isn't sustainable?
Elijah Brooks
What it seperates it from socialism?
Socialism is economically a marxist system.
Marxism is the difference and the thing that makes socialism bad, according to Men Kampf.
National socialism is not a marxist system, that means: no seizing the means of production, no land reforms, etc.
Luke Perez
The state seizes the power of state production while allowing harmless owners their work that is beneficial to society whike the harmful are sacked and replaced by a beneficial member of society, the state protects the ryles of trading and of workers under corporations to be for workers interests in programs, achieving a reasinabke share for the workers work to have respectable loot to secure a place in the economy of trade.
Henry Edwards
So what stops it being highly inefficient like the soviet version? and how does a natsoc state enforce fairness better than a marxist one?
Are we saying that its the nationalism and pride in ones country that stops the greed?
Brandon Hernandez
That the people are free to trade, own property and develop themselves by beneficial trading, the soviets really did nothing but rob the people of all property and production.
Connor Wright
See this is what I feel would've still happend. The empire would've lasted 20 years of so but eventually all the people that made it workable in the first place would be replaced and the decay would begin until eventually it just collapses.
Robert Johnson
It was collapsing thats why they started after jews and their money.
Then they had to start a war to prevent government collapse.
Any war is always started because of economics.
Carson Watson
There is no way a population of intelligent people, will follow any doctrine generation after generation. Even if the doctrine really works, they would want to flirt with contrasting ideologies.
Connor Mitchell
Soviet workers were paid slave wages, nsdap workers were highest paid in the world with lots of benefits to children family crafting.and business building.
The difference.
Dominic Bennett
How was the pay handled? Was it through a minimum wage or by letting the market fiure itself out?
Aiden Adams
Only if it weren't a homogeneous society. When you have more than one race, you have more than one culture, and when you have more than one culture, you have more than one "page", thus making it that much harder for everyone to be on the same page.
Jaxson Russell
why though
Alexander Rogers
State union workers and corporate agreements.
Jason Young
How homoegeuous would it have to be? Like would everyone have to be blonde haired blue eyed?
Noah Barnes
Youre clearly a retard or non white, fuck off.
Jackson Hall
source?
Joshua Sanchez
Is there proof of this? As all the propoganda explains it as taking the wealth back off of them after they "essentially" stole it off the german people
Bentley Gomez
I'm only asking as certain groups we now call white weren't classed as it in the middle ages.
Daniel Watson
One problem, in the case of Germanic peoples, is that they have a genetic predisposition toward excessive empathy. The Third Reich might have eventually turned into a giant Sweden, unless they implemented eugenics for lower empathy and lower universalism.
Dominic Williams
germany wasnt on war economy until 1942
Alexander Lopez
this is fake and gay
when there's only white and good people left I don't see this as a problem
Samuel Bell
Wasnt pinochets chile NatSoc?
Cooper Powell
It's crucial key difference was its currency system, it did not have a central bank, was able to avoid debt creation of notes and tied its value to German mineral reserves.
This idea would of caught on and spread to other countries and I believe it would still be stable today if its one party system and leaders after Hitler did not 'Stalin' the whole show.
Gavin Brown
>Would a NatSoc country collapse on it own?
Why would it?
>pro-White
>White only
>No Jews
>No non-Whites
>No anti-Whites
There's literally no reason why a NatSoc country would collapse on its own.
Liam Hughes
>war economy
How fucking stupid are people on this site?
Asher Edwards
This is a malicious lie you shill kike.
They were declared war upon. Hitler had to move through Poland in order to secure Germany from the looming soviet threat, and the constant riot the jews and the commies were creating in Germany.
Evan Murphy
not necessarily, but NSDAP was on its way, yes.
>Like what is it that seperates NatSoc from just Socialism
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Dominic Rogers
actually NSDAP was capitalist. you are confused by their usage of the term socialist. do you think hitler killed all those communists for nothing?
Tyler Ortiz
Don't forget
>powerful markets tempered with an effective social safety net
Luke Rivera
>Like what is it that seperates NatSoc from just Socialism
Pic related.
>Also was there something economically that made it different to other socialist countries?
Largely free market except for when corporations interfered with the health, wealth, and general psychological well being of the volk (race).
National Socialism optimized state policy to be all about the race, while holding to allowing as much individual freedoms as possible within a greater collective goal.
Ayden Long
Correct...
>pro-White economy
>no judeo capitalism
>no judeo communism
Nathan Johnson
>Like what is it that seperates NatSoc from just Socialism
Socialists call us capitalists, capitalists call us socialists. NatSoc isn't capitalism or socialism.
Evan Ward
No. War is the result of failed diplomacy you twat.
Nathaniel Johnson
>why is war economy unsustainable
because you don't trade with nations anymore, but they all still trade with each other, while you are increasingly directing more and more of your productive capital to destroying things and taking life, not producing anything you actually need. if this worked, niggers out of africa would already have total control of the globe.
>why would nazi germany have collapsed
hyperinflation. they were inflating the currency after the first crash and the first war. hitler only increased this policy with the new currency, in order to fund state-directed projects that "created employment." war breaking out again had next to nothing to do with the NS broken ideas of money. keynes gained all his repute by praising it while it was showing the typical short-term gains it creates.
literally the only thing that hitler did any better than some tinpot dictator, or a coin-clipping tyrant king, was share the created wealth slightly more than they would ever have. it still ruins the country in the long run. that's why keynes' only response was, "in the long run, we'll all be dead." i don't think he had any children.
do you have white children?
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Blake Russell
>Pic related
we call those "democrats" in the united states.
Mason Ramirez
Are you serious?
Julian Mitchell
>do you think hitler killed all those communists for nothing?
love the concept of appropriating the mimetic and changing the word 'Jews' to 'Communists'
welcome to the Weimar Republic/Berlin ~1930
Luis Edwards
Except National Socialism optimized utility of the race. Unlike democrats who pander to subhumans and jewish interests above the interests of the majority of the US, whites.
You lolbertarian teenagers are such a disingenuous and ridiculous group of jew subverted fools. Is it any wonder that the parasite has created a movement that would directly result in central banks consolidating even more power due to weakness of state?
Charles Phillips
>was share the created wealth
share the TRANSFERRED wealth, i should have said here.
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>ad hominem
i'm 35. present an argument at any time.
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Yes.
See cucked hitler
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Proof the german economy was collapsing before the year 1939, as far as i know it was stronger than ever then. That is not why they went after the jews so that is false, economics were not the casus beli for the invasion of poland, not all wars are started for purely economic reasons.
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>miracle
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>economics were not the casus beli for the invasion of poland,
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... After agreeing with the Soviets to split Poland.
God Stormfags are so hilarious.
Dylan Carter
Nope
Xavier Russell
No. It would have gone from strength to strength
Oliver Brooks
It wasn't an ad hom, I was insulting you. There's a difference between ad hominem and insults. Ad hom is when your sole argument is attacking the character of the other person. I both attacked your character, and also provided a reason for why your ideology is shit. Mainly the consolidation of power in corporate feudal like manner of central banks, chartered, and corporations when state falls.
Do you not see the pattern of mostly jewish intellectuals being behind libertarianism? Rand, Rothbard etc.
Oliver Wilson
when they say, harmful members of society, the mean jew bankers jewing people into debt or media pushing blatant degeneracy. 95% of free market industry and business is left to progress as it would in capitalism but once a company's interests start harming the people, they get removed or reformed
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>“Less than 75 years after it officially began, the contest between capitalism and socialism is over: capitalism has won… Capitalism organizes the material affairs of humankind more satisfactorily than socialism.”
>Then, a mere 50 years later, he acknowledged: “It turns out, of course, that Mises was right” about the impossibility of socialism. I particularly like the “of course.” Fifty years it took him to grasp the truth of what Mises wrote in 1920, and he blithely tossed off his newfound wisdom as “of course.” [1]
everyone who ever stood up publicly to defend nazi germany -- far better than any of you ever have tried -- already admitted they were wrong in the last 60 years. not a single intellectual remains who witnessed the "miracle" and still believes it.
it's like watching "pagans" go back to stonehenge to engage in a ritual that nobody actually knows, on the day they think might be the right one.
jesus fucking christ.
Cameron Ross
Yet the allies only attacked Germany, not the Soviets. If they were so concerned with "muh Polan sovereignty" why did they ignore the USSR? In fact after they won they even gave land to Stalin. Hmmmmm really makes you think.
Plebeian filth. You're not better because you're a normie. You're just another brainwashed retard good goyim who sucks up to jews for shekels, or because you're too much of a coward to investigate why jews have incentive to demonize us at all costs.
Brody Miller
Are you retarded ancap? The revival of Germanys economy in the 30s was a miracle. Go deep throat the free market that starved 7 million people to death during the Great Depression.
Xavier Evans
Ironically National Socialist Germany was more free market than the modern jewish run plutocracies in the west.
Adrian Long
>why didn't anyone else start wars they couldn't win?!
Lol, cry more Stormfags.
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>(((stupid)))
NatSoc economics is the most misunderstood thing in the world, I am honestly surprised to see it on Sup Forums as well. The whole thing about "war economics" is horseshit.
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Noah Price
I just think the wahabi tier ultra conservatism would have come undone eventually, and I sympathise massively with national socialism. I think it would have developed into something similar to Japan today, had the jews and bolsheviks not taken Europe. That is to say, racially homegeous, high IQ and immune to the threat of Islam.
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Nathaniel Myers
>Provided that there was no war, would it have collapsed anyway like so many other socialist countries or would the nationalism part prevented it?
Yes, the collapse was inevitable.
>Like what is it that seperates NatSoc from just Socialism
Nothing really. Nazis just like to claim muh third position when they are no different than commies.
Henry White
Here's how you preserve a country
>get nukes and means of delivery
Too bad Hitler was a meth head.
If they had the nukes first, Nazi Germany would exist to this day.
Jace Sanders
>Social
I wouldn't say is a prefect system, but total collapse could be easily avoided by dissecting the problem completely, also remember the meritocratic part of Natsoc, which means that only the most capable would take the decisions, therefore decreasing errors.
>Economically
It could theoretically if everybody stops working, but I guess that's any economy. Remember (((they))) said Hitler used "fiat' money when in reality it was money based on hours worked, instead of gold or something Israel couldn't control, this would means you earn a fair share of what you produced and also has a high stability, because the more hours worked, the better for your local economy and for the rest of the nation. (money has no value unless everybody believes it has, that's the principle... kind of, Natsoc never really had a complete economical theory)
>Welfare
I believe the most problems would come from this, but not necessarily cause a collapse, because it was only for Germans, so no feeding leeches like the US.
Luis Taylor
First of all, his first paragraph is his argument.
Second, ad hominem =/= insults. You're not the first to make this mistake, so don't feel bad. Ad hominem is the false belief that an argument is invalidated by some personal characteristic of the argumenter. For example, "you can't speak about the nazi german economy because you're an ancap retard" is ad hominem. It is not ad hominem to say "[insert argument here], btw you're a retard".
Third, even if he did use ad hominem, your dismissal of his original argument because of it is the textbook definition of the fallacy fallacy.
Zachary Green
What is this (((shill))) on about? NatSoc Germany was booming when the war started. Wars are a detriment to an economy, dipshit. Read Hoppe at least.
Xavier Johnson
Provided the basic societal structure holds, and people know how to implement new things, it would only have gotten better. Without liberalism we would be golden.
James Turner
Do you ancaps only think there is capitalism and socalosm or something? Its like you think no other system could or has existed exist.
>everyone who ever stood up publicly to defend nazi germany -- far better than any of you ever have tried -- already admitted they were wrong in the last 60 years.
What the fuck are you talking about. Look up David Ivring you moron.
Dominic Fisher
No different to communism, other than where national socialism is fundamentally different to communism.
Oliver Gomez
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>Ludwig von Mises was born to Jewish parents in the city of Lemberg, in Galicia, Austria-Hungary (now Lviv, Ukraine).
Imagine that...a Jew hates National Socialism. We can certainly trust his opinion, he has nothing but the best interests of the goyim in mind, after all.
Luke Myers
National Socialism requires and eternal enemy to unify it's people against. In Germany, this was the Jews, which is funny because they were the only ones driving development and advancement in Germany. It's why German science and engineering has been shit for nearly four decades. National Socialism cannot be sustained, and cannot be used to transition to a better government.
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we live under global Communism where global socialism is a financial tool used to get access to the treasury, milk it and put those treasures into the hands/pockets of traitors, tyrants, gibs, globalist oligarchs, etc ... anyone that needs to be manipulated by money to bend the knee to the jew
NatSoc as an ethos, works under the roof of every functional White household:
Sebastian Nelson
>everyone who ever stood up publicly to defend nazi germany -- far better than any of you ever have tried -- already admitted they were wrong in the last 60 years. not a single intellectual remains who witnessed the "miracle" and still believes it
Are you aware that before national socialism became the universal omega metric of evil it was a publically defendable position?
Brody Ramirez
>an eternal enemy
What the hell are you talking about
Cooper Gray
Seriously, do you have to link to one of the most notorious Jewing Jews out there? Kek, ancaps are funny man.
Carter Ross
> In Germany, this was the Jews, which is funny because they were the only ones driving development and advancement in Germany.
Source pls.
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Jaxon Gonzalez
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THE WORD 'SOCIALISM' WAS JUST ADOPTED BY HITLER.
NATIONAL SOCIALISM HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MARXISM.
HITLER LATER LAMENTED HIS CHOICE TO USE THE WORD 'SOCIALISM' AND WISHED HE'D INSTEAD USED THE TERM 'SOCIAL REVOLUTIONARIES'.
NATIONAL SOCIAL REVOLUTIONARIES
>NATIONAL SOCIAL REVOLUTIONARIES
Gavin Carter
>this was the Jews, which is funny because they were the only ones driving development and advancement in Germany.
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Caleb Miller
just like all forms of socialism it wouls stagnate and collapse.
to run a socialist system you need a constant healthy birthrates to replace the older generation and to pay tax to keep the system running.
its expand or die.
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Gavin Thompson
>Like what is it that seperates NatSoc from just Socialism
Assuming you mean Hitlerite NatSoc the fact that it's not socialist. It's more like social democracy.
And what separates it from social democracy is that it's much more militant and nationalist while being much less democratic.
Gavin Williams
You did not debunk me in anyway, yes communism lost, national socialism was not communism.
Hudson Rogers
A true NS/Fascist society would be an organic state. It would be far more firm than any other state on this earth
Ayden Cook
All i see is
>socalist
And of couse you by socalism you mean marxian socalism. Look up Hitlers definition of it and how he regretted naming it that due to marxian socalism. Also can you read somebody other the Mises? The only reading that consist of you ancaps is Mises and Hoppes.
Benjamin Morris
>stormfags are unironically this autistic
Anthony Taylor
Well to be fair they were driving the porn industry and the intellectual (Marxist) industry and the child prostitution industry
John Rodriguez
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Jace Reed
DESE GOYZ SHALL PAY FOR DA TRUTH
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Adrian Hughes
>NATIONAL SOCIALISM ISN'T SOCIALISM
Wrong.
National Socialism is the only true socialism.
Jose Hernandez
>In Germany, this was the Jews
No! Communists, globalists, Internationalists ...not the jew as (((our handlers))) have led the world to believe.
The Holocaust museum on every corner is there to memorialize communists. communism is a core tenet of Talmudic Judaism
Kayden Russell
>inb4 "German war machine required constant war"
Their GDP was growing regardless of whether they were actually at war or not, because a military industrial complex (military spending) doesn't require actual war. The US and many other nations today take advantage of this, and spend of their military despite not "being at war".
>inb4 "German military spending was unsustainable"
>German GDP in Billions of Dollars:
>1938 - 351
>1939 - 384
>1940 - 387
>1941 - 412
>1942 - 417
>1943 - 426
>1944 - 437
>1945 - 310
As far as military spending, Germany barely broke the US threshold of 40% of GDP, the entire duration of the war, and spent LESS THAN THEIR RIVALS in preparation building up to war:
>CHART 9 - spending as percent of Germany GDP:
>1935: 8%
>1936: 13%
>1937: 13%
>1938: 17%
>1939: 23%
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Hudson Bell
You're an ignorant retard with no grasp on reality.
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