Christian General - The JW Edition

Ask a Jehovah's Witness anything.

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If you could name at least one major flaw with the Jehovah Witnesses and Watchtower what would you say it is?

Why don't you question the long term effects of worshipping Jewish memes?

I'm not happy.

How can I be happy in life?

Do you believe Christ was crucified on a stick, and does that make him a christcicle?

Why don't you believe that Our Lord, Jesus Christ died for our sins? Do you not know what will become of false prophets? There is no way to Heaven, but through Christ. You must ask Him to come into your life and Save you.

How many spots are open in heaven??

The PC and SJW bug is infecting some of us. We're more concerned about not offending people now than telling them the truth. We had an article to study two weeks about about "Refugees" and how to welcome them and treat them. Being a regular here on Sup Forums you don't have to preach to me about the dangers of (((refugees))). Now don't get me wrong, we are not succumbing to the leftist and SJW's like the Catholic church is inviting Muslims to pray at the Vatican and kissing the Quran. They right now are just a little naive to the truth about the Merchants.

Here's a link about how based we are.

youtube.com/watch?v=G2ygKmo-Tuo&t=36s

Look at all the comments and related videos. We still have potential.

Don't know what you are talkiing about

Here you go friend:
>jw.org/en/search/?q=happiness

Pretty much

We do believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior and died for our sins.

They will be cast in the Lake of Fire

Good to know.

144,000

Psalms 34:18 - Jehovah is near to those that are broken at heart; And those who are crushed in spirit he saves.

Proverbs 2:1-5 - My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself, 2 so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment; 3 if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, 4 if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, 5 in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God.

Psalms 147:3 - He is healing the brokenhearted ones, And is binding up their painful spots

(Psalm 51:17) The sacrifices to God are a broken spirit; A heart broken and crushed, O God, you will not despise.

(Luke 4:18) “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor, he sent me forth to preach a release to the captives and a recovery of sight to the blind, to send the crushed ones away with a release,

Psalms 94:19 - When my disquieting thoughts became many inside of me, Your own consolations began to fondle my soul.

Deuteronomy 31:6 - BE courageous and strong. Do not be afraid or suffer a shock before them, because Jehovah your God is the one marching with you. He will neither desert you nor leave you entirely.”

(Deuteronomy 4:31) For Jehovah your God is a merciful God. He will not desert you or bring you to ruin or forget the covenant of your forefathers that he swore to them.

(Joshua 1:5) Nobody will take a firm stand before you all the days of your life. Just as I proved to be with Moses I shall prove to be with you. I shall neither desert you nor leave you entirely.

Please stop ringing my doorbell, this warning is final!

Are you one of the elect JW's or one of the slave caste JW's?

Makes sense. I imagine SJW corruption would be harder to spread in the JW than most churches due to their apolitical stance though.

I've never had a JW knock on my door in my life. My mom did study with them long before I was born though but decided it wasn't for her. Think the only door knocker we've ever had was a Pentecostal guy who told my dad we were all going to hell and he quickly ran when he saw how annoyed my dad was.

There are no elect nor slave JW. All JW are brothers. We do not have a clergy class. Our leader is Jesus Christ and his leader is Jehovah God who is our ultimate leader. Our obedience to them is written out in the Bible.

We are, however, organized. We work in hierarchies to fulfill goals. We are subordinate to whoever our supervisors are to fulfill anything that needs to be accomplished for the spreading of the Good News of God's Kingdom.

I think he meant if you're one of the 144k.

>I imagine SJW corruption would be harder to spread in the JW than most churches due to their apolitical stance though.

Correct, thanks to our staunch refusal to get involved in any political ideologies we are not immune but distant enough to not have to deal with this at a huge level. It is also thanks to practicing excommunication as well for willfully breaking Bible commandments. Feminism will get you disfellowshipped immediately. JW recognize Eve to be the first true Feminist.

You can ask us to put you on our Do not visit list.

danks fren

Jehovah's Witnesses control the Federal Reserve and the media.

Oh okay. No, I am not part of the ANOINTED class. I'm part of the GREAT CROWD. Re 7:9-17.

I'm staying here on a Paradise Earth forever. Pic related is where you will all live.

Psalms 55:22 - 22 Throw your burden upon Jehovah himself, And he himself will sustain you. Never will he allow the righteous one to totter.

(Psalm 16:8) I have placed Jehovah in front of me constantly. Because [he] is at my right hand, I shall not be made to totter.

(Psalm 37:24) Although he may fall, he will not be hurled down, For Jehovah is supporting his hand.

(Psalm 62:2) Indeed he is my rock and my salvation, my secure height; I shall not be made to totter very much.

(Psalm 121:3) He cannot possibly allow your foot to totter. The One guarding you cannot possibly be drowsy.

(Psalm 37:5) Roll upon Jehovah your way, And rely upon him, and he himself will act.

(Psalm 43:5) Why are you in despair, O my soul, And why are you boisterous within me? Wait for God, For I shall yet laud him as the grand salvation of my person and as my God.

(Isaiah 50:10) Who among YOU people is in fear of Jehovah, listening to the voice of his servant, who has walked in continual darkness and for whom there has been no brightness? Let him trust in the name of Jehovah and support himself upon his God.

(Philippians 4:6) Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication along with thanksgiving let YOUR petitions be made known to God;

(1 Peter 5:7) while YOU throw all YOUR anxiety upon him, because he cares for YOU.

(Matthew 11:28-30) - Come to me, all YOU who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh YOU. 29 Take my yoke upon YOU and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and YOU will find refreshment for YOUR souls. 30 For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.”

You're welcome

Cool but weird to see another JW on pol

Did you really feel the urge to do this? Or was it the only thing you had? What motivates you? Would you rather be rich?

Yeah, how in the hell do you guys keep getting your magazines under my door? Magic? Have a no soliciting sign, do they not read English? Any tips on how to get them to stop would be appreciated.

R

What do you know about energy beings from space? Heard it from an important elder at funeral.

Evil heretical cult.

Cool, where are you from and what are you?

>Did you really feel the urge to do this? Or was it the only thing you had?

Do what? Don't understand?

>What motivates you?

I guess my desire to survive this world and move on to a new life. A REAL life, not a debt-slave life where I work and others get rich. A life where I grow and I eat, not I grow and others eat. A life where I build and I live in, not a life where I build and others live in.

>Would you rather be rich?

That depends on your opinion on what being rich is? Money doesn't make you happy BUT money does make it easier to be happy if used correctly. Sure, I'd like to be rich where I'd never have to worry about menial things like bills, rent, and food anymore. However, I'm not disillusioned. I know that in the end I will still grow old and die. Of what use is it if a man gains the whole world but loses his soul?

We are not by definition soliciting because we are not trying to sell you anything nor ask you for any services. You need to tell them to put you on their Do Not Visit list.

>(Proverbs 15:12) The ridiculer does not love the one reproving him. To the wise ones he will not go.

>(Amos 5:10) “‘In the gate they have hated a reprover, and a speaker of perfect things they detest.

>(John 3:20) For he that practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, in order that his works may not be reproved.

Get fucked cunt. OP is a cool dude.

PIC RELATED!! Good news you guys! We are at the bottom of the feet at last. God's Kingdom ruled by King Jesus Christ is up next. You guys are living in exciting times.


(Daniel 2:44) “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;


PIC RELATED

>(Daniel 2:45) forasmuch as you beheld that out of the mountain a stone was cut not by hands, and [that] it crushed the iron, the copper, the molded clay, the silver and the gold. The grand God himself has made known to the king what is to occur after this. And the dream is reliable, and the interpretation of it is trustworthy.”

>(Isaiah 28:16) therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: “Here I am laying as a foundation in Zion a stone, a tried stone, the precious corner of a sure foundation. No one exercising faith will get panicky.

>(Daniel 2:34) You kept on looking until a stone was cut out not by hands, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and of molded clay and crushed them.

>(Psalm 118:22) The stone that the builders rejected Has become the head of the corner.

>(Romans 9:33) as it is written: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock-mass of offense, but he that rests his faith on it will not come to disappointment.”

>(1 Peter 2:6) For it is contained in Scripture: “Look! I am laying in Zion a stone, chosen, a foundation cornerstone, precious; and no one exercising faith in it will by any means come to disappointment.”

>(Luke 20:17) But he looked upon them and said: “What, then, does this that is written mean, ‘The stone which the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone’?

>(Acts 4:11) This is ‘the stone that was treated by YOU builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’

>(1 Corinthians 3:11) For no man can lay any other foundation than what is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

>(Ephesians 2:20) and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone.

Pic related. The stone that you see in Daniel destroying all the kingdom of the world starting at the bottom of the feet is the same cornerstone of God's Kingdom: Jesus Christ. Jesus himself, along with an army of angels, will come down here and execute all evil doers in the world.

Does anyone know what happens next?

The primary theme of Jesus ministry wasn't salvation and it wasn't repentance. It was God's Kingdom.

>(Matthew 4:23) Then he went around throughout the whole of Gal′i·lee, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the good news of the kingdom and curing every sort of disease and every sort of infirmity among the people.

>(Matthew 4:17) From that time on Jesus commenced preaching and saying: “Repent, YOU people, for the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near.”

>(John 18:36) Jesus answered: “My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source.”

The model prayer

>(Matthew 6:9, 10) “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

>(Matthew 6:33) “Keep on, then, seeking first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these [other] things will be added to YOU.

The entire theme of Jesus is his father's Kingdom being the solution to all lives problems.


The verses all there imply that a heavenly regime will invade earth and wipe out all disobedient mankind. Pic related, the earth will be transformed into a beautiful paradise where all of you will live there and not visit there. You will all be physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually perfect. No defects of any kind. No sickness, no old age, no mental disorders, no crime, violence, fear and no death.

>(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

You did it! Sorry for not being here at 10pm west time.

Don't worry about it. I was an hour late here anyways. So you're on time.

Oddly enough, woke up in the middle of the night...

Is the door to door evangelizing required?

>>(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

>(Psalm 110:6) He will execute judgment among the nations; He will cause a fullness of dead bodies. He will certainly break to pieces the head one over a populous land.

>(Acts 17:31) Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead.”

>“Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them.”—Matt. 28:19.

>(Acts 14:21) And after declaring the good news to that city and making quite a few disciples, they returned to Lys′tra and to I·co′ni·um and to Antioch,

>(Acts 1:8) but YOU will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon YOU, and YOU will be witnesses of me both in Jerusalem and in all Ju·de′a and Sa·mar′i·a and to the most distant part of the earth.”

>(Romans 10:18) Nevertheless I ask, They did not fail to hear, did they? Why, in fact, “into all the earth their sound went out, and to the extremities of the inhabited earth their utterances.”

>(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,

>(Acts 20:20) while I did not hold back from telling YOU any of the things that were profitable nor from teaching YOU publicly and from house to house.

>(Acts 5:42) And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.

It is a commandment of the Bible that must be fulfilled. If you refuse you refuse to collaborate with Christ. Christ calls upon his true followers to continue his model of preaching throughout the earth of his Kingdom.

I genuinely believe JWs do more good than harm. They practice a decent, clean, and honorable life. Even if there was no God, it led to beneficial changes and productive lives rather than degeneracy.

most of my family are JWs.
What do you think about all of the false apocalypse predictions?
would you view "the watchtower" as a corrupt organization? are you aware of it's foundings?

Don't you heathens deny the trinity?

Go to a proper church OP.

It seems much more effective to do the same thing through digital channels. He'll, I'm sure this thread has peaked the interest of several dozen Sup Forumslacks.

Could anyone potentially detail as to why I should or should not adhere to a non-retarded protestant doctrine? Potentially via some sort of video or good explanation to avoid you needed to espouse a massive wall of text because that is what it will entail.

- Do you lament not celebrating holidays?

- Does the phrase "bless you" after you sneeze really bother you?

-Why do some of your members dress up in their Sunday best, stand outside busy areas in a group, and pass out illustrated booklets only on Sundays??

Also are you black lol

How many of your members have been killed by the hands of the superior Mormons?

Mods! How the fuck is a christcuck spreading his religious faggotry considered politics related!?
Why won't you fags create a Religion board.

Give me a moment to set up something for you...

The Bible doesn't teach the Trinity. The Trinity is a pagan triad of more ancient Triads going back before Christ. It is described through Helenistic Greek Philosophy and Hindu Avatarism. All Trinity "proof text" are circumstancial, out-of-context, spurious verses, or mistranslated verses.

Correct. We are taking advantage of all digital media available. We have our own apps where you can download on your smartphone now. We have our own channel as well.

Our regular website.

>jw.org

It is full of articles, digital books, and a search engine for all Bible related questions.

We also have an entire encyclopedia archive.

>wol.jw.org/en/wol/h/r1/lp-e

That is for advanced Bible students and researchers that want to study certain subjects. For example you can type in Armageddon, Great Tribulation, Soul, Hell, and all references come up
teaching in detail where those are in the Bible and what they mean.

>tv.jw.org/#en/home

Our channel dedicated to shows of encouragement and lessons for kids all based on the Bible. Here's a good one to show to your kids so they don't try to push the trans garbage at them.

youtube.com/watch?v=G2ygKmo-Tuo&t=36s

Hmm that might be a good idea, only to lure away the redditors infecting the site

Rude. It's interesting and isn't causing any problems. Furthermore, it is political given that religion is an ideology and frames the world in a certain away. Religious threads are a small occurrence vs all the porn slide threads.

Just as how some advocate for Liberalism, Conservatism, NatSoc, etc, Christians advocate for God's Kingdom with Jesus' as King as the solution to the problems that face humanity. It is related.

Your religion doesn't allow its members to become involved in politics, how exactly is it that you are engaging in political discussions with Sup Forums Anons if you are not allowed to vote or become involved with politics.
>You faggots believe the only true form of government is a theocracy and that theocracy will only commence after the end times.

>As of August 2016, Jehovah's Witnesses report an average membership of approximately 8.13 million actively involved in preaching, with a peak of 8.34 million.
explain this
do only some JWs get saved?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses

>- Do you lament not celebrating holidays?

No, never cared about holidays even before I converted. I converted at the age of 25 and lived a normal secular life before than. Catholic-in-Name-Only.

>- Does the phrase "bless you" after you sneeze really bother you?

No, we are not overly sensitive Muslims when someone says some kind of phrase like "Happy Birthday," "Marry Christmas" or gives us a turkey leg on Thanks Giving. We are the perfect models of tolerant minority religions. We will not force you to change yourself to accommodate us. That is our problem not yours.

>-Why do some of your members dress up in their Sunday best, stand outside busy areas in a group, and pass out illustrated booklets only on Sundays??

We should be doing that every day but here is why:>Also are you black lol

No, worse, Mestizo. Blacks are the fastest converts to JW though. Imagine if blacks followed you in the subway because they wanted to hand you this pamphlet. If their conversion keeps going at this current rate we could end up solving your black problems and our BT1000 problems.

> they will be cast in a lake of fire

You're obviously larping and badly.

I grew up in this cult and they don't believe in hell. You either die forever or get brought back to life to live on earth.

Hey there, i'm a catholic will you still come over to my house to preach?

JW is a ploy for power by United Nations do not trust United Nations

While what you say is accurate to a degree, we stay neutral but are keenly interested in the Geopolitcal scene as to what is taking place, as it relates to prophecy. Jehovah's Witnesses will never rally for, promote or support any human candidate. Doing so would essentially equate to spiritual treason, rejecting Jesus as King and showing no faith in what is to come.

I'm willing to bet your elders approved of you hanging around here ONLY if you preach and try to convert anons.
>Which is exactly what you are doing.

You must be the elder monitoring his activity, how pathetic.
>Literally a fucking cult.

It is true that Sup Forums's primary focus is politics but it goes beyond that. They also talk about liberal ideology wave, (((them))), the homosexual movements, the feminist movements, the refugee (((crisis))), current wars and future wars. Although JW don't get involved in politics, politics does get involved with us. A good example is our ban in Russia recently all for political purposes. Our preaching work puts Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church in compromising positions. But the biggest thing Sup Forums and JW have in common is THE HAPPENING. The Bible speaks of THE HAPPENING. It is known as the Great Tribulation and Armageddon.

>wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200001884
>wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200004476

Also, pics related

Nigger we left of debating weather or not God is truly all good.
>How can a being so evil (satan) originate from a being soooo good (god).

>The Bible doesn't teach the Trinity.
The early church disagrees with you. Since nobody heard of/believed like JWs until the 19th century, no Christian can take your claims seriously. How could the church have been totally misled for over 1,800 years when Christ said the gates of Hades would not prevail against it? Your "church" is a deception.

>The Trinity is a pagan triad of more ancient
JWs are Satanic. Your religious temples are covered in Freemason symbols. You aren't Christians. You are less successful mormons.

> All Trinity "proof text" are circumstancial, out-of-context, spurious verses, or mistranslated verses.

The apostles openly recognized Jesus as God, Jesus said "if you've seen me you've seen the Father", Jesus identifies Himself as the Alpha and Omega, a purely blasphemous statement if He were not God. He also uses the same phrase in Apocalypse that the Father used to Moses on Sinai: "EGO EIMI" = I AM THAT I AM. JWs have no counter to this and can only hope you don't have access to the LXX text which is far older than anything their screwed up translation comes from.

People who have been practicing Christianity for 2000 years in Egypt, Armenia, Greece, etc all have pretty similar beliefs. Mostly because they never changed anything. And they all agree that JWs cannot be considered Christian because their belief on the Trinity is so erroneous it's Jewish.

Here is the story of a nice lady who left JWs after reading the Bible.
1peter315.blogspot.com/2007/10/word-of-god-sets-free-jehovahs-witness.html

This guy does a pretty good examination of JW scriptural errors that result from their denial of Jesus being God.
answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122225708AATvXlm&p=+"jehova's witness" ego eimi

the trinity is of minor importance at best, most christians who go on about the trinity utterly fail to follow even the simplest of the moral teachings handed down by christ

IF ONE OF YOU COME NEAR MY DOOR AGAIN I WILL SLIT YOUR THROAT AND HAND YOU OVER TO MY DADS KEBAB SHOP


Dear Bedfordshire Police,
The comments I have made above are for satirical proposes. I am not able to #CrossTheLine since I am a Muslim and minorities and people of colour cannot be racist

Thanks for understanding,
Mehmet

This

In fact, I am not and I do not know my brother here tonight. I came across this thread while looking for happenings and thought I'd join. Also, I'm not an Elder. I personally don't hold a special privilege except that of being a publisher (minister).

I understand if you don't care to believe me, but that is the truth.

Your evil cult ruined my mother. You are an incredibly stupid and evil person.

>However, we should not denounce those who in a proper spirit express their dissent in respect to the date mentioned [1914] and what may there be expected . . . We must admit that there are possibilities of our having made a mistake in respect to the chronology, even though we do not see where any mistake has been made in calculating the seven times of the Gentiles as expiring about October 1, 1914. - The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, 15 November 1913, repr. 5348

>Indeed, as respects the date 1914, which we have emphasized, and respecting which we have repeatedly expressed our faith, our conviction—even respecting this date we have never knowingly spoken in infallible terms." June 1, 1913 Watchtower

>" We cannot say that it may not be either October 1914, or October 1915. It is possible that we might be out of the correct reckoning on the subject a number of years. We cannot say with certainty." October 15, 1913 Watchtower

>We are not a prophet; we merely believe that we have come to the place where the Gentile times have ended - Light, vol. 1 (Brooklyn: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1930), 194

>: ... It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes. It does not mean that the president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society is inspired and infallible, although enemies falsely charge us with believing so.... But we confess with the Scriptures that the day of such inspiration passed long before 1870, as the apostle Paul showed it would...- The Watchtower, 15 May 1947, pp. 157-8.

>The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic. It invites careful and critical examination of its contents in the light of the Scriptures - Name and Purpose of the Watchtower," The Watchtower, 15 August 1950, 262-263

kekd

JW are quite active in my neighbourhood for some reason but they dont try to come in and talk anymore, they always just want to give you a piece of poorly formatted literature about the end of the world

Jews detected

Fuck you too faggot.
>You religious fucks should go suck yourselves off somewhere else.
>Another cultist.

>We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology.
Zion's Watch Tower, 1908

> It is not our intention to enter upon the role of prophet to any degree, but merely to give below what seems to us rather likely to be the trend of events—giving also the reasons for our expectations."Views From the Watch Tower," Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, 1 March 1904, reprint, 3327 (emphasis added).

> However, we should not denounce those who in a proper spirit express their dissent in respect to the date mentioned [1914] and what may there be expected . . . We must admit that there are possibilities of our having made a mistake in respect to the chronology, even though we do not see where any mistake has been made in calculating the seven times of the Gentiles as expiring about October 1, 1914. Zion's Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, 15 September 1909,reprint, 4473.

>The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic. It invites careful and critical examination of its contents in the light of the Scriptures. "Name and Purpose of the Watchtower," The Watchtower, 15 August 1950, 262-263 (emphasis added)

Thanks.
A few more questions:
do you believe the story of noah's ark to be truth?
Would you kill someone if necessary?
Why wont you accept blood transfusions?
Lastly, If god is omniscient, and omnipresent, then he created Adam and Eve knowing they would betray his rule, and that he would have to "punish" them with suffering. How can the omniscient be betrayed? also, Do these seem like the actions of a benevolent force?

will you call me a jew if I post the sermon on the mount and then point out how few christians follow the moral teaching it contains?

if you call the trinity unimportant you are being a subversive devil, end of question

>However, we should not denounce those who in a proper spirit express their dissent in respect to the date mentioned [1914] and what may there be expected . . . We must admit that there are possibilities of our having made a mistake in respect to the chronology, even though we do not see where any mistake has been made in calculating the seven times of the Gentiles as expiring about October 1, 1914. - The Watch Tower and Herald of Christ's Presence, 15 November 1913, repr.5348 (emphasis added).

>Indeed, as respects the date 1914, which we have emphasized, and respecting which we have repeatedly expressed our faith, our conviction—even respecting this date we have never knowingly spoken in infallible terms." June 1, 1913 Watchtower

>"We are waiting for the time to come when the government of the world will be turned over to the Messiah. We cannot say that it may not be either October 1914, or October 1915. It is possible that we might be out of the correct reckoning on the subject a number of years. We cannot say with certainty."October 15, 1913 Watchtower

>"We are not prophesying; we are merely giving our surmises . . . We do not even aver that there is no mistake in our interpretation of prophecy and our calculations of chronology. We have merely laid these before you, leaving it for each to exercise his own faith or doubt in respect to them" (emphasis added). Zion's Watch Tower, January 1, 1908 (reprint) page 4110

What happened is that our opponents framed us by putting us in a position that WE never put ourselves in at all. The belief that "JW are prophets" was a false position opposition put us in WHILE hiding this evidence up above from you the entire time. JW WERE NOT PROPHETS but instead tried to INTERPRET PROPHECY. There is a difference with stating something will happen based on available evidence and telling people something will happen because "God told me." JW made interpretations BASED ON AVAILABLE evidence.

>I understand if you don't care to believe me, but that is the truth
I don't believe you every time there is a thread made by Jw OP you creepers are hanging around in there. I know there is MORE THAN ONE of you elders or whatever the fuck you call yourselves its not hard to distinguish who is a genuine user and who is a shill, summerfagg, or newfagg.

explain to me in detail what EXACTLY the concept of the trinity adds to the christian religion. what is SO important about the trinity that its removal from the faith would have a devastating impact on christianity?

>Jehovah's Witness

holocaust-trc.org/jehovahs-witnesses/
>total persecution
>banned nationally by law

Why should I even try to believe in a religion that teaches any relative or friend (or anyone) who did no die in Christ has now gone to hell?

Back to the synagogue, Zvi.

reminder that it is impossible to be a christian and to be a hate filled antisemite

Holy shit, how many of you fags in this thread are JW.

Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
to go against teaching the trinity is to go against God Himself

hey man that image is not cool i need to fucking blow some shit up now

>Your religious temples are covered in Freemason symbols
I mean, that's true of all Christian churches and temples...

Yeah, because pointing out that you are an error-filled rabbi makes me an "antisemite".

BTW there are lots of antisemites in the Bible, among them: Moses, Isaiah, the Apostles, Paul, God...

>do you believe the story of noah's ark to be truth?

Yes, I believe in it not just because the Bible said so but because of ancient history on earth leads to the huge possibility of an ancient flood happening. All cultures on earth have flood myths, giant myths, and a handful of survivor myths. Jesus himself confirmed The Flood happened.(Luke 17:26,27)

>Would you kill someone if necessary?
As much as I would want to, no.

>Why wont you accept blood transfusions?

(Genesis 9:3, 4) Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU. 4Only flesh with its soul—its blood—YOU must not eat.

(Deuteronomy 12:16) Only the blood YOU must not eat. On the earth you should pour it out as water.

(Deuteronomy 12:23) Simply be firmly resolved not to eat the blood, because the blood is the soul and you must not eat the soul with the flesh.

(Acts 15:20) but to write them to abstain from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from what is strangled and from blood.

(Acts 15:29) to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”

(Acts 21:25) As for the believers from among the nations, we have sent out, rendering our decision that they should keep themselves from what is sacrificed to idols as well as from blood and what is strangled and from fornication.”

Blood belongs to God. To steal from God is punishable by death.

>Lastly, If god is omniscient, and omnipresent, then he created Adam and Eve knowing they would betray his rule, and that he would have to "punish" them with suffering. How can the omniscient be betrayed? also, Do these seem like the actions of a benevolent force?

post too big answer later...

>people should be baptised "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
>this is apparently an incredibly crucial thing about christianity

jesus himself was not baptised in this fashion

>moses, isaiah, apostles, paul
all jewish

>The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: “The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

>The Encyclopedia Americana: “Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was strictly Unitarian [believing that God is one person]. The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately early Christian teaching regarding the nature of God; it was, on the contrary, a deviation from this teaching.”—(1956), Vol. XXVII, p. 294L.

The Holy Scriptures tell us the personal name of the Father - Jehovah. They inform us that the Son is Jesus Christ. But nowhere in the Scriptures is a personal name applied to the holy spirit.

Some texts say that people were “filled” with holy spirit, that some were ‘baptized’ with it or “anointed” with it. (Luke 1:41; Matt. 3:11; Acts 10:38) These references to holy spirit definitely do not fit a person. These texts employ a figure of speech personifying God’s holy spirit, his active force (similar to a human's internal energy or vigor), as the Bible also personifies wisdom, sin, death, water, and blood.

youtube.com/watch?v=Ru3GbBB_pIs&t=1s

Offended?

What is the run down on the events leading to Armegeddon according to the bible? In Chronological order please.

What do you think the Mark of the Beast is going to be? Your opinion and that of the Governing Body that you know of.

Many YouTube Christians hold the view that the Anti-Christ will be a man that is possessed by Satan and will rule over a NWO for a while, is this JW's thought too?

Some also think Nephilim will return in one form or another, what does the bible say?

The baptism of John, under which Jesus was baptized, was different than the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Someone above you even quoted the scripture where Jesus instructed on how to baptize.


>all jewish

Moses was not Jewish. Anyway the truth is the truth regardless of ethnicity.

Why do you knock on my door

>The Holy Scriptures tell us the personal name of the Father - Jehovah.
lies, that's only in the corrupt NWT
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Wow, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were all there, surely it's just a coincidence!

>How could the church have been totally misled for over 1,800 years when Christ said the gates of Hades would not prevail against it? Your "church" is a deception.

(Matthew 7:21) “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.

(Matthew 7:15) “Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to YOU in sheep’s covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves.

(Acts 20:29) I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among YOU and will not treat the flock with tenderness,

(2 Thessalonians 2:3) Let no one seduce YOU in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.

(2 Peter 2:1) However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among YOU. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves.

(Matthew 24:24) For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones.

(1 Timothy 4:1) However, the inspired utterance says definitely that in later periods of time some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired utterances and teachings of demons,

>(2 Timothy 4:3) For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled;

2 Cor 11:14-15 14And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.

those are several scriptures telling you not to eat blood, and to drain your animals properly. (so you don't eat their blood). Idk how you jumped to "god owns your blood, dude."