Can someone give me a laymans explanation for why Hitler invaded Russia...

Can someone give me a laymans explanation for why Hitler invaded Russia? I just watched the movie "Stalingrad" and cannot find any kind of explanation other than "muh lebensraum." Did Stalin have plans of invading Germany? Also, I would highly reccommend the movie in pic related for those who have not seen it.

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He literally just hated communism that much.

I don't know if this movie is cucked or not. It depicts German soldiers as normal guys but at the end they shoot the nazi commander and defect. It also heavily plays on the whole "those commie russians are just like us ;_;" shit

Easy. Oil fields in the caucuses was literally the entire point of Stalingrad.

>Can someone give me a laymans explanation for why Hitler invaded Russia?

Because they were preparing to invade him but would not be ready till ~1941-1942 so Hitler and the German command decided to gamble an early preemptive invasion of their own and caught the red army with its pants down.

He hated communism, but I think the primary reason was oil. When the Soviets advanced Hitler began running out of oil, thats why 'merica could advance that easily. Germany was basically cucked after the blitzkrieg because almost everything was gone by that point.

Hitler knew England, and U.S. were planning on getting rid of him. So he struck first.

Both were expansionist authoritarian regimes that would never coexist in the long run. The Nazis rose to power partially on anti-Bolshevism, so the USSR had to go sooner or later, as the people very much didn't like the leftist uprisings earlier in Germany, and also saw the bad things in like Ukraine. The Marxist ideology of the USSR was also internationalist, so eventually Germany had to become commie as well. Plus Lebensraum and stuff, but the sooner the Germans invaded the better for them as the Russians were still recovering from the purges and rearming and stuff.

>tfw if (((Americans))) didn't love communism so much we could have defeated the eternal Anglo.

There is a little bit of that I noticed. All and all it gives them more humanity than any other Hollywood WWII movie. In Dunkirk they do not even show the Germans that captured the british pilot, and they barely even shown the Luftwaffe, even though they shot down alot of British planes.

Stalingrad just captured the futility and despair of being trapped by the horrible conditions of the Russian winter.

>tfw Reds dropped their pants later in Ostpreußen

>Can someone give me a laymans explanation for why Hitler invaded Russia?
Why don't you hear it from the man himself?

youtube.com/watch?v=t6o84NU9Ees

russia was in (((their))) hands after their successfull coup against the tsar
>The destruction of the Soviet Union by military force, the permanent elimination of the perceived Communist threat to Germany, and the seizure of prime land within Soviet borders for long-term German settlement had been core policy of the Nazi movement since the 1920s.

Bolsheviks were killing and raping innocent people dangerously close to his territories

Russia didnt sign the Geneva convention until 1949, they were basically a rampaging horde of slavs

The thing that i don't understand , is how did Hitler underestimate his troops so immensely. And the argument that "it was cold" , isnt one, due to having napoleon's example.

You retarded CSA rebel this was not a production of Hollywood and if you knew anything about WWII history you'd know the primary reason was oil you Dixie dick eating redneck homo.

If we backed Nazi Germany they would've invaded us too and fucked us over. Plus the UK would declare war on us. Why fight brother wars?

Oil. Russia was the closest oil rich country and Germany had very little fuel. Germany was forced to use lots of donkeys and horses for transport for this reason.
Everything is literally about that black gold.

The russians had already planned to invade Germany and then the rest of Europe--I shit you not. German intelligence got word and they decided it would be best to Blitz them before all the troops and supplies had accumulated at their border

At the time, invading Russia seemed simple judging from the Russian attempts to invade Finland. Hitler severely underestimated the Russian industry and potential manpower, thinking they could organise around 100-200 divisions, instead this number was 500 divisions. He also thought that the Russian railways were the same as in Germany, and little new infrastructure would have to be developed in order to supply the frontlines, but they didn't, thus creating a logistical nightmare

baisically this oil, romanian and then caucasus
germany didn't have the means to power the war machine without that

Hitler would have done anything for Germany, attacking Soviet Union would have secured enough resources for Germany to be unbeatable in European theater of war. He wrote in his book that he though a race to survive it either had to be as big and as resourceful as Russia, USA or many colonies like UK. He even wrote about possible alliance between Russia and Germany against UK if Germany would decide to challenge British colonial supremacy. Since Russia was communist and Germany was already crippled naval power it did not seem possible. This is what is my interpretation of Mein Kampf

Awright, why enrage your good friends and colonial masters. Explains why you stick with the royal measurement system :^)

he literally saved the world from the commies

It wasn't the cold.

It was the mud.

Communism and natso. couldn't co exist since hitler hated commnuism. I really don't know how much truth there is in the lebensraum version where he wanted to exterminate everyslav. But i'm pretty sure most historians agree that he did want russia for "lebensraum" where he could grow crops and have germans live in. They also needed the oil that russia had.

But then you also have versions like, russia was going to invade germany, and it was a pre emptive strike, etc. But I don't think any big and respected historian agrees with that theory. You can blame the jews and what not, and say that they can't really tell the truth. But I trust someone like anthony beever or sönke neitzel (just named 2 to use as an example), rather than some conspiracy video on youtube made with unreliable sources

Ignoring the soviet expansionism that happened before the war, there was a minor ideological dispute between jewish communism and the German national socialist government. The soviets may or may not have been gearing up for an invasion of europe.

Simply, people are incorrect when they say Hitler did nothing wrong. Invading the USSR before taking over western europe was a wrong move, it was his most costly mistake

because he needed material for war against the americans

and of course the hatred for communism helped that invasion

>It depicts German soldiers as normal guys but at the end they shoot the nazi commander

How is that cucked, do you really think the Wehrmacht-Soldiers were literally fighting to the last man?
I actually live in a village which is full of old greves of both sowjet and nazi soldier in the woods and there are still some people old people around who either witnessed shit first-hand or were told by their parents.

One of the graves that told to one of old villagers about is that of a wounded Wehrmacht-Deserter. Apparently he ran into some sowjet patrol while fleeing west. Since the Sowjets couldnt be arsed to treat his legwound they just shot him in the middle of a cropfield. Later on some of the villagers buried him.

Ironically enough the grave is only 200 metres away from that of a sowjet deserter who got shot some weeks later when he was found by a different sowjet patrol fleeing east.

Communism is not true reason. Just like democracy isn't either.

There is factual evidence that stalin was planning an invasion of western europe.
Hitler knew this and decided to attack first.
Some believe he saved all of europe from commie russia with that move but it cost him his own victory.

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He invaded USSR because it was his function. I mean THEY created him for this - he had no choice.

How has that stopped the Bolsheviks? Half of Europe is controlled by commie Jews now.

Stupid people believe in regimes.

Defeating Soviets wins war for Germany. Winning war = commanding the world.

Assuring commodities, assuring military power.

Pushing US from every border, dismantling its trade.

Nope.

Stalingrad was the important hub of the South, You don't need Stalingrad to go to the oil fields. In fact part of the reason they hesitated was because of the delays in gathering additional forces to continue the operation, that changed goals twice. Not sure if it was Hitler's fault but the end result was that the delay gave enough time for the Russians to prepare the defenses.

It was the core doctrine of German Imperialism since late 19th to early 20th century. Nazis didn't pioneer such thoughts, they merely applied them.

Control trade = establish reserve currency = rule the world.

It's like asking Russia asking Germany to fight Austria

Normally I'd agree but they painted that nazi commander to be a literal asshole in the movie, shooting little kids and punching POWs for no reason. It just seems kind of one-sided to portray someone that way, no doubt every war has its shitheads but why did they have to kill him?

The day might come when we have to put Germany out of its misery. But it's not because we hate them.

They needed Stalingrad to take the fields. Like you said it was the hub of the South. They couldn't advance into the cacauses without having logistical support and defenses from an occupied city like Stalingrad.

How would they take the oil fields and defend them if they left Stalingrad alone?

The Germans had already captured most oil fields in the area and cut pipelines to the north.

They wanted to destroy industry there and to cut the Persian Corridor to deny lend lease materiel.

The German flanks were manned by Hungarians who were shit. Soviets didn't have a chance against the Germans so they just attacked the Hungarian flanks to cut off the 6th army in Stalingrad.

at that point they'd been left to die
and to Op at the time it seemed like a completely logical thing to do, every country and their respective spy networks believed that germany was guaranteed to win "kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down" was widely believed

In 1912, this company became the Turkish Petroleum Company (TPC), formed with the purpose of acquiring concessions from the Ottoman Empire to explore for oil in Mesopotamia. The owners were a group of large European companies – Deutsche Bank, the Anglo Saxon Oil Company (a subsidiary of Royal Dutch Shell), the National Bank of Turkey (a British concern) –and Armenian businessman Calouste Gulbenkian.[8] The driving force behind its creation was Gulbenkian, and the largest single shareholder was the British government-controlled Anglo-Persian Oil Company, which by 1914 held 50% of the shares. TPC received a promise of a concession from the Ottoman government, but the outbreak of World War I in 1914 put a stop to all exploration plans.


Some people still believe WW1 started just because of .....

Because Britain defeated the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain and Hitler thought that the only reason the British didn't make peace with him was because they were hoping the Gommies would attack the Nazis from the East. So Hitler figured that if he preemptively attacked the Soviets and defeated them, the Brits would lose hope. He certainly would have defeated the Soviets if he had just let his Generals do their thing, but Hitler was an absolute dunce at Grand strategy, so the Nazis lost.

Because it exhausted the soviet forces severely without them there would have been nothing at all blocking the soviets from going all the way to Brittany and Gibraltar.

You think? The entire fucking movie was German you faggot, I am well aware the movie isn't a Hollywood productiion. I was just comparing it to the other Hollywood tier WWII movies that never portray Nazis in any kind of positive light, you nigger loving yankee cuck. Kys.

Where can I read more about this?

the hungarians were shit but the germans knew this and they knew they werent properly equipped with anti-tank means

read this, really well written

Danke Australian

It was matter of choice. Take the fields or take the city. Either choice would present it's own advantages and disadvantages. The issue was that time and manpower constraints meant that a choice was imperative. Take the city first and wait for the next summer to move on to the oil fields or take the oil fields and immediately deal a several blow to Russian mechanized operations while possibly (the fields are captured intact) even get that much needed fuel for your badly depleted stocks.

Don't take what i said literally as the fact, i added some of my own theory crafting and deduction.

I think you're being a little unfair, there were other factors in the failure of the Germans in the east besides besides Hiler meddling in the strategy, i don't know what exactly he interfered with there. The main factors to the failure of the wehrmach were delayed start of the invasion due to italy in the balkans, weather, logistics and underestimating the soviet capabilities.

>base literally your entire rise to power calling out communism
>wtf why did he invade communists

*severe

The German flags were manned by poorly supplied Hungarians and Romanians with little to no AT and anything but Bolt Action Rifles, the German High command did not supply them with anything in terms of weapons and they were lucky if they got some German rations and munitions. The German high command knew this but still went ahead with it even though Romanian and Hunarian recon were reporting Soviet armored build up across the river

the ideology is still alive,yes.
Cant say the same about the soviet union and the red army thanks to uncle Adolf...

Thats a good book. Well sourced.

This is kind of poetic..

You should come to Vienna on 8th of may. Vienna cucks are literally celebrating being raped by Soviets.

whyd you quote me i actually live in georgia

Tbf the way Hitler structured his upper command, with no direct second in command was a double edged sword. It mean't no direct successor ergo less likelyhood of an assassimation attempt while the elites would vry for control, power and influence by impressing him.

On the other hand it meant a messy af chain of command where Hitler had to have the final say and sometimes the Eastern Front could be waiting days for a response only for Hitler to say 'no' to his generals strategy that could have maybe worked. I.e he declined a breakout to the Sixth Army.

They had already captured the Rostov oil fields to the south. Stalingrad is to the east of the caucus oil. The Germans wanted to take Stalingrad because there was Soviet industry there and the majority of lend lease materiel came up through the Persian corridor and shipped up the Volga to Stalingrad

they invaded because the soviets were at their weakest point, and the two countries could never realistically coexist for long. It's better to finish your enemy off when he's unprepared rather than wait for him to regain his strength.

Well then learn to craft sentences properly you Nascar loving, PBR drinking, sister fucking, loser-traitor.

There were multiple reasons.

Hitler felt the Molotov Ribbentrop pact was tenuous at best and believed that the Russians would step up their aggression. He suspected that the Russians were planning an invasion of their own (this in itself is often the discussion of much debate in academic/military history communities).

The Germans also recognized that the Soviet military was relatively weak at this point in time. Despite their massive manpower and their huge air force, they were completely unorganized thanks to Stalin's purges and were in the middle of a complete reorganization.

Also Hitler fucking hated bolsheviks.

It is almost universally considered to be a preemptive strike at an inevitable soviet push west like they tried in Finland and Poland

The majority of Land lease made it's way through the arctic. I'm pretty sure of it. For any land lease to make it's way to the Caucus, it would have to go past neutral Turkey, which makes no sense.

He saw the USSR as a major threat to his ideals because they were, as he saw it, a barbarian race ruled over by evil jews. Basically a super villian.

Also, Russia was supplying over half of Germanys oil and was rich in natural resources. Even today, Europe gets most of its natural gas from Russia.

Most importantly, Hitlers whole utopia was a completely independent and self sufficient Germany and wanted russian territory for his thousand year empire.

want to know anything more, just ask

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In the secretly recorded finnish tape where Hitler speaks in a private train, he says something about the Soviets and Molotov forcing his hand into an invasion. Something about troop deployments.

I've been curious about this for years, but never got an answer to what he was talking about.

Yeah thats why he allied with Stalin and conducted joint military operations in 1939.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk

Both Stalin and Hitler wanted a Pan-European empire made of Western European industrial base and Eastern European space and resources. Together they removed troublesome states in between by 1940 but both knew what the other empire wants in the end - both halves of Europe. Hitler attacked first because his empire was in its peak and Stalin just purged the army. Stalin won and he would have taken Lisbon by 1946 if it hadnt been for the US Army and nukes, which gave Stalin quite a scare in 1945 (stalin only got his bomb by 1949 and its no fyn when the other side has them too)

The Soviets got 16 million tons of shit from the US, 12 million tons of it came up through the corridor

That's true, the krauts were not the most efficient in most things. Yea not allowing the 6th army to retreat from stalingrad was just as autistic as stalins not one one step back bullshit, then again i'd say the war was lost already at that point.

great book and a must read for anyone who wants a good understanding of the eastern front

Germany was at war with UK and leftovers of France, Germany was vulnerable to a USSR attack and saw it's self as stronk.
USSR was communist, so a natural enemy.
Hitler was an imperialist as well.

Those are the 3 reasons.

Russia was lining it's troops up to invade Europe after they had been weakened by war. Germany had to strike preemptively, before the Russians were ready.

Literally everyone knew Russia was gonna do it.

Thank god FDR died before Potsdam. He was a fucking cuck who was getting 4D chess played on him by Stalin and would have probably given up all of europe to him.

flanks*

Give me pasta user.

>"20 minutes no rush k?"
>starts building a tower push outside your expansion
>opponent is literary Stalin
>Hitler hates (((Bolsheviks)))
>White Russians begging for help against their genociders
>Cossaks literally being genocided. Antisemitism illegal

Stalin was 100% planning on building up huge numbers of tanks, planes, and disposable men and zerg rushing across the north european plain

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_offensive_plans_controversy

It wasn't the cold. Oh sure, a lot of men freezed. My Opa did and almost had to have his foot amputated. He survived fortunately. Rather it was the mud that came with the late fall and early winter that stopped it. German army was actually within spitting distance of Moscow in 1941, so close that soviets were marching in the red square from their barracks right to the front. It was the mud that stopped Germany, and that's because they were delayed to save Italian fuck ups in yugoslavia

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maybe gommunism would have shielded them from cultural marxism and millions of muslims niggers like us xd

>hatred for marxism
>loves to conquer
>Russia has large amount of oil to further fuel the Reich.
>Distrust
Hitler needed to invade Russia, it was crucial. He was very close and if he succeeded things may be very different. Several nations had to band together on two separate fronts to defeat Germany.
Hitler admired Britain. And needed them intact to actually control Europe and its colonies.

Also the only Geman panzer division sent to defend the northen flank lost most of it's tank before the battle do to rats eating the cables.

Nigger learn to read. I was questioning the land lease material coming trough the Caucus. Not that it came at all or that it didn't matter.

This Oil in the caucasus region

The Allied supply efforts were enormous. The Americans alone delivered over 16.3 million tonnes to the Soviets during the war, via three routes, including Arctic convoys of World War II to the ports of Murmansk and Archangelsk. Also, Soviet shipping carried supplies from the west coast of the United States and Canada to Vladivostok in the Far East, since the Soviet Union was not at war with Japan at that time (until August 1945). The Persian Corridor was the route for 4,159,117 long tons (4,225,858 metric tonnes) of this cargo. However, this was not the only allied contribution via the Persian Corridor. About 7,900,000 long tons (8,000,000 metric tonnes) of shipborne cargo from Allied sources were unloaded in the Corridor, most of it bound for the USSR.


Murmansk and Vladivostok were far away from the bulk of the action in the Eastern Front which was centered in the south and into Ukraine. The corridor was closest to the action.

Danke.

The USSR was gearing up to invade the rest of Europe, starting with Germany. Communists started violent uprisings in Germany in 1918, as well as Hungary, Romania, Poland, etc. The USSR attempted to invade and annex Poland in 1921. It also did the same to Finland in the Winter War and Continuation War. Polish communists, allied with the Soviets, led the slaughter of 50,000+ ethnic Germans in Poland, which was the main reason Germany invaded Poland.

Stalin was massing troops on the Russian border in preparation for an invasion of Europe (fun fact: Germany had trouble getting decent maps of Russia because the Russian troops they defeated just had maps of the European countries they intended to invade); Hitler had to not only knock out the Soviet threat before they had their forces ready for invasion, he also needed to secure the oil fields in Ukraine if he wanted fuel for his military. Germany had a chronic fuel shortage throughout the war due to lack of access to oil.

you mean shit that they actually did?

inb4 "nazis dindu nuffin! I know because this neonazi youtube video said so!"

Tod der Marxisimus!

>It also did the same to Finland in the Winter War and Continuation War

This was part of their deal with the Nazis.

>Polish communists, allied with the Soviets, led the slaughter of 50,000+ ethnic Germans in Poland, which was the main reason Germany invaded Poland.

this didnt happen and it wasnt even the official propaganda reason the nazis gave to justify their invasion

WHO would have invaded us? Not a single country on the planet was capable of doing so, which is why America became a superpower: our industry and population were completely untouchable, so we could keep cranking out tanks, planes, and troops until the enemy died of exhaustion.

Germany didn't even have the means to invade Britain, much less cross the Pacific, face the might of the US navy, and invade a country the size of a continent.

>Army Group South was selected for a sprint forward through the southern Russian steppes into the Caucasus to capture the vital Soviet oil fields there. The planned summer offensive was code-named Fall Blau (Case Blue). It was to include the German 6th, 17th, 4th Panzer and 1st Panzer Armies. Army Group South had overrun the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1941. Poised in Eastern Ukraine, it was to spearhead the offensive.

>Hitler intervened, however, ordering the Army Group to split in two. Army Group South (A), under the command of Wilhelm List, was to continue advancing south towards the Caucasus as planned with the 17th Army and First Panzer Army. Army Group South (B), including Friedrich Paulus's 6th Army and Hermann Hoth's 4th Panzer Army, was to move east towards the Volga and Stalingrad. Army Group B was commanded initially by Field Marshal Fedor von Bock and later by General Maximilian von Weichs.[14]:915

I think I have discovered an instance of Hitler doing something wrong.

Very very simplified: Russia was amassing troops and military equipment at the border and was planning to enter the war on the side of the allies. Germany's intelligence knew about his since 1940. The entire attack against the Soviet Union was a pre-emptive measure that was initially very successful. Some of the secret Politburo speeches are a good point to start looking into it.

This was one of the propaganda lies that got Americans into the war. The entire invasion fear was utterly absurd and not even plausible. But Roosevelt kept repeating the lie.