Fascism vs. National Socialism, which would be better and why?

Fascism vs. National Socialism, which would be better and why?

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National Socialism. It's ideas are more relatable to the common person. Fascism is more about hierarchy and order which is harder for people to really follow. NatSoc tends to be more about looking out for eachother and helping your countrymen and yourself to pass on their genes more successfully which are things that would attract followers. Fascism requires you to think in certain ways for it to be viable and is less in line with human thinking processes making it harder to enforce.

sounds like some liftist sh...oh wait, YOU are socialists, oh

natsoc has no economy that is not based on war
fascism has a defined economy.

Aren't they kind of the same?

They're pretty much the same and both took many ideas from one another. I would happily settle for either.

Fascism was born partly out of syndicalism and Il Duce himself was a prominent socialist before becoming a fascist.

Yeah , I kinda figured they were alike.I think hitlers vision was more extreme though..

dat gif, Adi was such an autist

Strasserism

wrong

>fascism has a defined economy.
yes: planned failure.

Both Hitler and Benito were Godless beta autists. Franco was the alpha crusader with the best ideolgy.

Natsoc economy is whatever works best for the country. In the Third Reich it was a mix of keynesianism and dirigisme.

Fascism in Portugal, Spain and Greece didn't start wars and didn't destroy the country.
German National Socialism, on the other hand...
/thread

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>keynesianism and dirigisme

nowe thats some nice commie mix there

syndicates are for commies, falangist BFTO, is not time for try "never tried ideologies", national socialism work and that's what matters.

not like Adi's "economy" based on US credit taken for ww I reperations with payment peak in 1941-42 (fun fact:being at war with a state suspends all payments,US in this case).

>nazi economy

Franco was a fake fascist used by the Vatican,he betrayed the real fascist José Antonio Primo de Rivera

We can clearly see how it worked.

Is not NatSoc a type of fascism?

It obviously depends on the country; some national characters are better suited to particular ideologies. Good luck getting either to catch on in America, but as for my country of Italy, I think a localized fascism, with a bit less corporatism and a bit more national socialist economic practices, would be optimal. Localism in the sense de Benoist uses the phrase.

idiot, how new are you?, germany wasn't a war economy, go to /nsg/ general and investigate

neither, they both lost and shouldn't be repeated. LEARN from their mistakes and DO IT BETTER!

worked, the jews declaring war wasn't fault of the ideology
no one in this board know anything of germany 1933-1939?
oh I forget the reddit cancer

Fascism is better.

Nazism has the stupid racial fake Aryan nonsense.

Rudolf Hess being an exception who looked like he could be from Iran having a unibrow.

What Nazi strived to look like this?

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if you born shitskin is not our problem, you can kys

How about you kids start to think for yourself and stop repeating history, and create something new?

>war economy

Just before you gtfo, pls tell me if you know anything about crediting germany 1933-1939 with international loans maybe?

after this, you can gtfo as i said, thank you

of course, because is so easy make another ideology!

>The jews declaring war
Germany started the war, you idiot
Hitler could have stopped after the annexation of the Sudetenland, but he made the wrong decision and Invaded Poland
In the end, Germany ended up with less land than they had before the war
Not to mention that Hitler invaded a lot of neutral countries...

>international loans
HAHAHAHa
or you are a shill who try to uniform
or you are very stupid and don't know anything about nazi germany
do you know what is money based on labour ?

We are the real Caucasians and Aryans.

You are a fraud.

There is no National Socialism or Fascism.
There is only Socialism.
Fascism and National Socialism are misrepresented names of political parties, promoted by dumb west.
Original names were:
Partito Nazionale Fascista
Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

Political parties can be named anything, important are the laws and laws either create Socialism or democracy or monarchy.

>oh mommy but its hard
>i have to THINK
>for MYSELF
>can you imagine mommy how hard that would be?

literally no one cares either the neutral countries or the holocaust

I dare you to invade france across the maginot line, 100.000+ dead germans instead of 30.000 thanks to the manstein plan

"Nationalsozialistische"

Gee, I wonder what the fuck that means.

hahahaha still mad iranian monkey,
and the word "aryan" don't have the same meaning as it had in early 20th century
You don't know anything about politics or history or nothing.

do you think the people here is predisposed to do anything instead of watching e celebs, trump tweets or watching anime?

Yes,because germans were obviously the master race.

It's a name, like a brand, nothing important. Laws are important, maybe study those. I know 12 year old don't like to think, but at least try.

>he literally thought that III Reich's might was taken out of thin air (and economic crisis) in4 years.

now, thats the moment when you gtfo.

I told you what to do.What you actually do,i could not care less.
I just robbed your excuse in the future when you try to tell your kids you didnt know better.

better than russian communist savages
germany is the only country that fighted the jews, and is still hated

>Almost all relevant politicians in the history of mankind were children

Kek, alright mr. grown-up. Enlighten us on your superior ideology creating skills.

sure, the jews in uk or us sure granted loans to hitler! they paid hitler to invade! they loved hitler!

>Literally no one cares about the neutral countries
So you admit that you are a reckless warmonger...

yes, actually. You simply admit past failures and form a hybrid of the parts that actually worked and weed out the parts that clearly did not. And you evolve and grow into a new ideology that will be better because it doesn't flair around in the mire of the past fleeting glory but builds toward an actual developmental stage of sustainable life. stop hanging on dead men's balls and grow some of your own. it's entirely possible to fuse the better parts together and reject wholly outright the weaker/failed parts of several ideologies. i do it all the time.

so, I have to do the ideology menwhile the others fap to anime porn?

>Germany is the only country that fighter Jews
>le being defeated by Communists even when they attacked all of Europe makes their enemies all Jews
Jews were only expelled from Germany? Study history and you will realize Jews were also expelled from Soviet Union and also from Germany in past before Hitler, also from 100 different countries. Hitler wasn't the first guy to kick out Jews.

yes, that is literally what always think
but this stupid people directly reject national socialism instead of making better

What do you think Iran means?

It predates the 20th century.

europe is still in the hands of the jew, and I dont want Iran or NK, we need european countries, no pussies hidden behind nukes

No, they've invested in the investment funds, they didn't know where the fuck the money goes as much as there was profit on the horizon.
got the picture now?

>germany is the only country against jews
Boy,you are really a kid.
You cant even understand a simple sentence.
You too cant even understand a simple sentence.

Portugal during Salazar helped Jews and locked up fascists.

with what they invested, dollars?
and also I don't believe anything said without source

no one in this board will do anything behind a computer

We just need to ban foreign capital and everything will be alright and that's exactly what every nationalist done.

different people thrive in different systems

You might as well look up Hjalmar Schacht then.

Socialism is for the weak only. It insinuates everyone is equal, when in fact nature has an observable hierarchy of order. NatSoc is delusional to deny natural order.

not all countries can be self-sufficient

I already know who he was, the progress of germany wasn't thanks to him

the only people who can and want to work are equal

Then tell me why is he famous ?

You don't need to be self-sufficient. You just need to produce it yourself and trade raw materials. There's no need for any inch of this planet to buy brands or allow foreign companies to be build on its land. There's also no need for foreign money. Who says nationalistic countries can't trade? They trade, create in other non-nationalistic countries and they buy raw materials which they can't extract in own country and of course have own money only.

Neither since they both lose sight of what matters: the faith of the nation. Legionarism and Falangism are superior in this most important respect.

famous, where?
he worked before durant the weimar republic in the exactly same position

so, you need many nationslist countries

Wrong. Even among those workers some are better, stronger, and more efficient workers, or display more leadership qualities. Meaning some have more worth than other, so they are not equal.

You see,you know nothing.Dig deeper,who he was and what did he do.

Why? Nazis build in Poland, they build in Africa. Soviets build in Africa, Yugoslavia build in Africa, China build in Africa, they build in non-nationalistic and non-Socialistic countries. We had great relations with Muslim countries, didn't have any Muslim migrant. What was Poland for Nazi Germany, what was Hong Kong for England, what is Hong Kong now for China? It is protectorate, not China, but not even that is needed, you can just trade raw materials, there's no need to conquer Poland at all, but if you do of course you make laws there. If capitalists/monarchy conquer you they will not care about any order, they only like fast exploitation and cash as long as it can be squeezed out. Hong Kong under England was exploited for England only, Hong Kong under China is exploited by anybody in Hong Kong.

so narional socialism is better for them instead of socialism
stop bitching and thell what you are trying to demostrate
he wanted to make loans for germany but hitler stoped him

sott.net/article/298259-The-Americans-who-funded-Hitler-Nazis-German-economic-miracle-and-World-War-II

fascism would work better than national socialism in the US, for demographic, economic, and cultural reasons

I already told you to think for yourself.Now you want me to tell you what to think.Interesting.
Do you think Hitler made a miracle with the economy?
Would you justify it with the greater good if the nazis literally commited fraud to get the money for that miracle?Because they did.With the help of Schachter.From the same Schachter who played happily ball with the weimar era.
The sad truth you will arrive at your journey is that Hitler was a pazi who got used by the jews to get Israel.Without Hitler there would be no Israel today.
You want to know why Hitler went crazy?
Because he realized that he was used to destroy his beloved volk.Right from the start.

he got help from the companies inside and outside of germany if is thst what you are trying to say
what's wrong about that?
Hitler needed a lot of money for the election campaigns

Anyone who believes there is an ideological difference between them hasn't read books on it. The only difference between NatSoc Germany and Mussolini's Italy is the cultural difference between germans and italians.
youtube.com/watch?v=7kaNEURnyog

>1 post by this ID
Divide&conquer thread.

sure, the jews expected the defeat of stalingrad a decade before
that theory is stupid

>Do you think Hitler made a miracle with the economy?
He did.
>Would you justify it with the greater good if the nazis literally commited fraud to get the money for that miracle?Because they did.With the help of Schachter.
This is bullshit. If you are referring to the mefo bills it was indeed because of the genius of Schacht that saved Germany from the crippling reparations of Versailles.
>The sad truth you will arrive at your journey is that Hitler was a pazi who got used by the jews to get Israel.Without Hitler there would be no Israel today.
I'm always amazed how the most ignorant have the most bold opinions. What is the Balfour declaration?

>theory
Its you who has a theory.I have facts.

Just sum up these and credits taken for WWI reps and you won't get a "election campaign" found, you will get sinews of war with capitalist creditors of 1930's US unaware (not willinig to know thats going on).

>Hitler did miracle with the economy
>fraudster is a genius
>If you refer to documented case of fraud
>its bullshit
>it doesnt matter if its literal fraud
>i call it still a miracle
Thats you.Full of logic and wisdom.

It's not fraud it was a way to cheat the monetary system and allow Germany to escape from the unfair Versailles diktat. Do you like the Treaty of Trianon?

Facts dont care if you or me like them or not,they stay facts.

National Socialism is like a premie ideology. It's the work of Hitler, a single man, and it was never finished due to WW2. Fascism is not as historically contextual.

The one that's not Italian?

Yes the fact is that Schacht was a genius that cheated the system and saved Germany.

Absolutely not true. Read German authors from the conservative revolution in the 20's. Spengler, Arthur Moeller van den Bruck.

RIP Ernst Zündel (1939–2017)

youtu.be/auLMUpC5LxU

Neither, they both lost so they are both degenerate like socialism.

>commiting fraud
>genius
Yes,kid.This mindset is why history repeats itself,because nobody learns from history,just repeats it without thinking for themselfes.
You dont even realize that all that Hitler did was made a war economy.Guess what?Every war economy in history was very succesful.But only while there was someone to rob from.

National Socialism. It's just a mixed economy while being an ethno-state.

I can't believe I had wasted my time in you and your stupid theories, your people fought with the germans
shame on you

The US has no economy that is not based on war... if you only look at the Gulf War period. NS purpose was to destroy Marxism, which is why they needed a large military. It was circumstantial.

Ah,yes,shame.Whatever,kid.1488 gas the kikes amirite?!

go to suck soros cock

You're severely retarded "muh fraud" shouting is pathetic. You don't even realise what Schacht did.
>You dont even realize that all that Hitler did was made a war economy.
>inb4 "German war machine required constant war"
Their GDP was growing regardless of whether they were actually at war or not, because a military industrial complex (military spending) doesn't require actual war. The US and many other nations today take advantage of this, and spend of their military despite not "being at war".
>inb4 "German military spending was unsustainable"
>German GDP in Billions of Dollars:

>1938 - 351
>1939 - 384
>1940 - 387
>1941 - 412
>1942 - 417
>1943 - 426
>1944 - 437
>1945 - 310

As far as military spending, Germany barely broke the US threshold of 40% of GDP, the entire duration of the war, and spent LESS THAN THEIR RIVALS in preparation building up to war:

>CHART 9 - spending as percent of Germany GDP:

>1935: 8%
>1936: 13%
>1937: 13%
>1938: 17%
>1939: 23%

voxeu.org/article/macroeconomics-germany-forgotten-lesson-hjalmar-schacht
nber.org/chapters/c9480.pdf
historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/nazi-germany-military-expenditure/