Bumping based bread. What happened around here? About a month ago this thread was really active, rolling threads all day. Now its almost dead. Did everyone get banned?
Juan Evans
卐 - HISTORY - WHAT CAUSED THE WAR, WHAT FOLLOWED AFTER? Part 1 ------------------------------------------------------- >Individual Jewish intellectuals such as Bernard Baruch, Lehman, Governor of New York State, Felix Frankfurter, the newly appointed Supreme Court Judge, Morgenthau, the Financial Secretary, and other well-known personal friends of Roosevelt have taken a prominent part in this campaign of hatred. All of them want the President to become the protagonist of human liberty, religious freedom and the right of free speech . . .
>This particular group of people, who are all in highly placed American official positions and who are desirous of being representatives of 'true Americanism', and as 'Champions of Democracy', are, in point of fact, linked with international Jewry by ties incapable of being torn asunder.
>For international Jewry -- so intimately concerned with the interests of its own race -- President Roosevelt's 'ideal' role as a champion of human rights was indeed a godsend. In this way Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New World for the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in dividing the world into two warlike camps. The whole problem is being tackled in a most mysterious manner. Roosevelt has been given the power to enable him to enliven American foreign policy and at the same time to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which the Jews are deliberately heading for.
Source: -- Polish Ambassador at Washington, Count Jerzy Potocki, in a report to the Polish Foreign Office, dated January 12, 1939; Quoted in J. F. C. Fuller, A Military History of the Western World, vol. 3, pp. 372-374 fpp.co.uk/History/General/Potocki/papers.html
Jace Bell
Heeb attack prob
Mason Bennett
卐 - HISTORY - WHAT CAUSED THE WAR, WHAT FOLLOWED AFTER? Part 2 -------------------------------------------------------
>"Herr Foerster cited the opinions of Britons and Frenchmen including Mr Lloyd George and Mr Churchill to the effect that 'the Polish corridor was a mistake', hissed when he read out inflammatory statements by Polish newspapers, including the statement in 'Czas' that Poland would blow Danzig to bits if it united with Germany and the recent threat by Marshal Smigly-Rydz that Danzig would be the first stage in a cruisade against Germany." - The Advertiser, 12 August 1939 trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/41083410?searchTerm=Smigły-Rydz
>"General Sosnkowski, second-in-command of the Polish army, declared : — 'Pilsudski's legionnaires were particularly favoured by history because it seems that they will partcipate in a second international war in which Poland will be one of the most important and most exposed actors in the drama'." - Kalgoorlie Miner, 7 August, 1939 trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/94852275?searchTerm=sosnkowski
卐 - MYTHS ABOUT NATSOC (Part 1) >"National Socialism is just (((socialism)))"
Marxist (Left) socialism and National (Right) Socialism are "antipodal zeitgeists engaged in dialectic". That's a fancy way to say they're opposite ideologies designed to clash, like Yin and Yang.
NatSoc was fundamentally an ideology built around race, while Marxist socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, into a new German nation based on racial identity. Socialism, in contrast, was a class war between workers, bosses, and owners (Capitalists), aiming to build a workers state in which race and gender were insignificant. Socialists, especially Marxist socialists, were anti-religious atheists, whereas NatSoc went so far as to make Christianity the religion of the state.
The differences go on and on: Marxist socialism was internationalist, NatSoc was nationalist. Marxist socialism was egalitarian, whereas NatSoc believed that nature was unequal and required competition. Marxist socialism wanted to nationalize all private industry, while NatSoc privatized every major industry except the railroads (it considered these a military asset). In fact, Hitler once joked "they didn't need to nationalize property because they nationalized people". NatSoc drew on a range of pan-German theories, which wanted to blend Aryan workers and Aryan magnates into a super Aryan state, which would involve the eradication of class-focused socialism as a non-German ideology.
Jackson Butler
卐 - MYTHS ABOUT NATSOC (Part 2) >"National Socialism is just (((socialism)))"
NatSoc redefined socialism as "Germanism/Volkism", which they saw as "producer-oriented capitalism", as opposed to "Jewish capitalism", aka, international finance, globalism, wall street, etc. In theory, NatSoc economics was a version of Keynesianism, tailored to the Völkisch nature of whichever people adopted it. Its not one dogmatic economic system,and Hitler often joked that the lack of a specific ideology was their strength. NatSoc could be more "free market" as Americans know it, or less. But NatSoc is always in favor of the Volk over economic identity, of "producer capitalism" over "finance capitalism".
Hitler tried to clarify the distinction in 1938: >“’Socialist’ I define from the word ‘social’ meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. >Our adopted term ‘Socialist has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. ((((Marxism))) is anti-property; true socialism is not. ((((Marxism))) places no value on the individual, or individual effort, of efficiency; true Socialism values the individual and encourages him in individual efficiency, at the same time holding that his interests as an individual must be in consonance with those of the community. All great inventions, discoveries, achievements were first the product of an individual brain. It is charged against me that I am against property, that I am an atheist. Both charges are false.”
Aaron King
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>Private property in the industry of the Third Reich is often considered a mere nominal provision without much substance. However, that is not correct, because firms, despite the rationing and licensing activities of the state, still had ample scope to devise their own production and investment profiles. Even regarding war-related projects, freedom of contract was generally respected; instead of using power, the state offered firms a number of contract options to choose from. There were several motives behind this attitude of the regime, among them the conviction that private property provided important incentives for increasing efficiency.
卐 - MYTHS ABOUT NATSOC (Part 3) >"National Socialism / Fascism was a failed system"
It's intellectually dishonest to label something that was forcibly crushed a "failed system", implying that a nation bombed into collapse during war is comparable to a system imploding politically during peace-time. The Soviet system failed, as did the Roman Empire, and every Chinese or Ottoman dynasty. Some of these examples of government lasted thousands of years, while some didn't last more than a generation. All forms of government inevitably fail. This has been true since ancient times. Polybius famously articulated this process of Anacyclosis: social organization paradigms rise, fail, and give way to further systems. This is the cycle of history.
Fascism is not a failed system, it was a defeated system: A.) it was not an economic system, but a social one; B.) the so-called "failed system" had a control group: the US. Germany, Italy, and the US were operating under Keynesean policies; only one of them won the war, and experienced a massive period of growth once their industrial rivals were destroyed. So no, it wasn't a failed system, because both sides were using it, including the side that won.
>Lebensraum: 'Lebensraum' is often intentionally exaggerated by those wanting to push the fractal "Hitler planned to exterminate all races" meme. The actual meaning of Lebensraum referred to the security of the German borders, and the need to provide living space so that Germans aren't threatened by outside forces. To claim that "living space" meant solely "to exterminate and re-populate more land than there would have been Germans to inhabit, for several generations after the war" is absurd, and contradicts the policies of "Germanization" that were ACTUALLY PRACTICED by the Germans regarding their Slavic allies:
Hitler didn't consider Russians subhuman. He considered them inferior. Because in terms of living, they were. Seriously, look at the living style of the average Soviet, then compare them to a German in 1930, they were, by all accounts inferior. He even talks about how some Russians of the old rich class were Germanic. There were multiple reasons for the invasion of the Soviet Union, for example: >1. To gain the necessary resources to fuel a long time war, something that Germany was severely lacking. >2. To prevent the inevitable invasion of Europe by the Soviet Union. If you gonna start a war, it's best to have the first strike. >3. To disband the Bolshevik and Jewish regime in the Soviet Union, something Hitler knew would be a threat to Germany.
True, the Germans would've gained land from defeating the Soviets and would certainly have sent its citizens into this newfound land, just like the allies did to German clay they gained after WW1 and WW2. The Germans wouldn't have exterminated Russians. They simply would have governed them.
Jack Cook
What's the discord
Ian Cooper
卐 - MYTHS ABOUT NATSOC (Part 5) >generalplan ost: 1. There is absolutely no proof of Generalplan Ost ever existing. 2. Hitler would have been fine with a path through the Polish Corridor (pic 1). If Poland had agreed to the terms then there would have been no war. 3. Germany did not massively blob into Eastern Europe like wiki suggests, they had very clear borders(pic 2). The eventual goal was to set up puppet states, not wipe out the populace. 4. If the plan was to exterminate Slavs, then why were there no camps for that purpose? The deaths in Eastern Europe are from starvation and warfare, not extermination. 5. Plenty of Slavs fought alongside Germans in the Russian Liberation Army, SS Galician, and others.
Levi Moore
discord gg/TBGYUrA
Brandon Adams
Bumperino
Daniel Powell
Thanks nigger
Jose Garcia
Reminder that this is our discord server: discord gg/TBGYUrA
EIN REICH, EIN VOLK, EIN FUHRER! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL!
Nathan Sanders
Any christian NS out there?
Ethan Lewis
Bump
Camden Torres
Bumps for hitler :) what the hell happened? these threads usually get a shitload of replies?
Matthew Richardson
I'm here.
Jaxson Hernandez
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Cameron Lopez
Do you think that the national socialism can be used exactly as it is or need reforms? Times change
also, what about the 25 points, are you agree with all of them?
Jaxon Johnson
What do we do to spread our influence IRL? I'm already lifting and doing orthotropics so I can become a chad, but I'm talking social wise so we can change shit
Grayson Robinson
>Do you think that the national socialism can be used exactly as it is or need reforms?
There's not really a doctrine of NatSoc, and the 25 points were specific to germany only. I'd say for places like America, realistically you couldn't run openly as a nazi.You could run as a republican and push for low immigration while advocating for a min wage increase, and hell maybe even universal healthcare. There would be other specific policies economic wise but with those three alone you could attract a lot of people on both sides. If you get elected then use the wage increase to justify massive healthcare cuts, tax the rich (44% of income earners 100k and over are Jews) to fund abortion centers in nonwhite areas, as well as mass deportations. In one term you could do a lot, and if the wage increase gets workers support you'll only have more voters for next election
John Miller
Its like whenever I come here the thread automatically dies
>Viewing Poles as subhumans >linking Leszek Kołakowski gtfo kraut, you can't cherrypick as you like
Joseph Richardson
we need to organize, somehow
Blake Anderson
>implying Lurk before you post ignorant shit.
Joshua Russell
If you're in America try to find any local groups.
Landon Watson
George Lincoln Rockwell is required reading.
This time the world White power
Associated speeches/pamphlets also
Owen Young
>we had nothing against you, polaks, we just planned to massacre most of your population, and the rest deport to Ural or make our slaves, while making your homeland our lebensraum. Also you massacred gorillion germans in german dominating, free of polish influences city of Danzig, so we had to intervene with our battle ready forces together with our brother the soviets, amrite guys? xD
>we wuz gassed in auschwitz >we wuz generalplan ost 1. There is absolutely no proof of Generalplan Ost ever existing. 2. Hitler would have been fine with a path through the Polish Corridor (pic 1). If Poland had agreed to the terms then there would have been no war. 3. Germany did not massively blob into Eastern Europe like wiki suggests, they had very clear borders(pic 2). The eventual goal was to set up puppet states, not wipe out the populace. 4. If the plan was to exterminate Slavs, then why were there no camps for that purpose? The deaths in Eastern Europe are from starvation and warfare, not extermination. 5. Plenty of Slavs fought alongside Germans in the Russian Liberation Army, SS Galician, and others.
Parker Clark
PAGANISM GENERAL, RELATED.
Ian Baker
Now that their legal, anybody have their nudes?
Ethan Collins
"According to Himmler, history proves that the Poles have their nationality tattooed oh their bodies. They must therefore be kept under control by giving them the strongest possible stiffening of German officers and N.C.O.'s, and by trying to have them outnumbered by the German elements. It was agreed with Frank, the Governor-General of occupied Poland, that the Cracow district (with its purely German capital) and also the Lublin district should be peopled by Germans. Once these two weak spots have been strengthened, it should be possible to drive the Poles slowly back. It's very important for the future that the Germans don't mingle with the Poles, so that the new Germanic blood may not be transmitted to the Polish ruling class. Himmler is right when he says that the Polish generals who genuinely put up a serious resistance in 1939 were, so to speak, exclusively of German descent." --- Hitler
"The Slavs are a mass of born slaves, who feel the need of a master. As far as we are concerned, we may think that the Bolsheviks did us a great service. They began by distributing the land to the peasants, and we know what a frightful famine resulted. / If anyone asks us where we obtain the right to extend the Germanic space to the East, we reply that, for a nation, her awareness of what she represents carries this right with it." ---Hitler
"We'll take the southern part of the Ukraine, especially the Crimea, and make it an exclusively German colony. There'll be no harm in pushing out the population that's there now. The German colonist will be the soldier peasant, and for that I'll take professional soldiers, whatever their line may have been previously." --- Hitler
Jeremiah Powell
> There is absolutely no proof of Generalplan Ost ever existing Exterminating Poles and bringing German settlers to central Poland sounds pretty fishy, desu >Hitler would have been fine with a path through the Polish Corridor (pic 1). If Poland had agreed to the terms then there would have been no war. Hitler was supposed to be fine with Rhineland, later with Austria, later with Sudeten, then whole Czechoslovakia. You really believe or think we'd believe he would stop at the corridor? We were supposed to be conquered and made slaves. Read Mein Kampf for once >The eventual goal was to set up puppet states, not wipe out the populace And you really think Hitler would let these puppet states exist after he'd win the war? I don't need to repeat his views on Slavs and what he planned for them in his perfect world >Plenty of Slavs fought alongside Germans in the Russian Liberation Army, SS Galician, and others Germans used divide and conquer tactics to crush resistance against occupant. They provoked Bosnians against Serbs, Ukrainians against Poles etc. And so SS units emerged, such us Bosnian ones or Ukrainian - SS Galizien. On RONA - Germans formed it after they started to fuck up in the east and needed any kind of manpower to stop the Red Army. Many Soviet PoWs syuffered before under Stalin regime, so they gladly joined the oppostion they knew nothing about
Jaxson Ward
Let me guess the source is Table Talks? I'm not denying the fact that the Germans didn't like the poles but the conflict is older than Germany itself.
Andrew Scott
>Exterminating Poles and bringing German settlers to central Poland sounds pretty fishy, desu Bullshit. >Hitler was supposed to be fine with Rhineland, later with Austria, later with Sudeten, then whole Czechoslovakia. You really believe or think we'd believe he would stop at the corridor? We were supposed to be conquered and made slaves. Read Mein Kampf for once The idea was to unite all german lands and about Mein Kampf keep in mind that almost all of the foreign policy he envisioned didn't happen. It was written before the NSDAP even became a major party. Read Zweites Buch for information on actual foreign policy. >And you really think Hitler would let these puppet states exist after he'd win the war? I don't need to repeat his views on Slavs and what he planned for them in his perfect world You can keep imaging things but the fact is that Hitler had 0 need for that land besides the resources. >Germans used divide and conquer tactics to crush resistance against occupant. They provoked Bosnians against Serbs, Ukrainians against Poles etc. And so SS units emerged, such us Bosnian ones or Ukrainian - SS Galizien. On RONA - Germans formed it after they started to fuck up in the east and needed any kind of manpower to stop the Red Army. Many Soviet PoWs syuffered before under Stalin regime, so they gladly joined the oppostion they knew nothing about They didn't use anything the hate between them was older. Ukraine wanted independence from the USSR just like Croatia.
Adam Bailey
Also keep in mind my goal is not a German reich but a pan-European union on racial and cultural basis.
Ryder Nguyen
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Wyatt Johnson
>keep in mind that almost all of the foreign policy he envisioned didn't happen Hard to make it happen when you lose a war. Mein Kampf was Hitler's vision of Germany after victory. >Zweites Buch Yeh, lightning war against Czechslovakia, Poland, Romania and Yugoslavia sounds very peaceful > Hitler had 0 need for that land besides the resources Hitler had fantasies that his Aryan race (funny fact - the halpogroup of original Indo-Aryans is R1a. You can check where it is most common) will populate whole eastern Europe, he claimed Germans need lebensraum >the hate between them was older Doesn't change the fact that Germans used these old ethnic conflicts for their own purposes. I wonder (((who))) taught them that
Mason Ward
"A guy on Sup Forums said a quote and put a name after it, so it must be true"
--Abraham Lincoln
Aiden Jackson
>Democratic court historians, especially in post-war Germany, attribute the Russian campaign to Hitler's ambition to gain Lebensraum, or living space, in the East. The theory rests on a tenuous assumption: Namely, that deadlocked in the fight against Britain and practically at war with the United States, Hitler launched a colonial expedition against one of the world's most powerful empires, the principle supplier of natural resources vital to Germany's wartime economy, in order to secure surplus land for future German settlers. In truth, the Reich was short a million laborers in 1939, and the government offered incentives to foreign workers, especially Czechs, to migrate to Germany to fill vacancies in industry. After conquering Poland, Hitler told Mussolini that newly recovered German provinces like Posen would require 40-50 years to resettle and fully integrate into the economy. Where would Hitler find colonists to export to Russia? -Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor, pages 155-156
Landon Walker
Why should anyone not German be a National Socialist instead of just a hardcore Nationalist. Calling themselves nazi is an act of treason for every self-respecting Slav. Rockwell knew that but he was still flaunting the swastika. Identitarians and Alt Right are smarter in this regard.
It's the table talks, stupid. You can google it.
Easton Cooper
No no the esoteric origins of the Aryans is much different. Read Rosenberg if it doesn't sound too boring. >Doesn't change the fact that Germans used these old ethnic conflicts for their own purposes. I wonder (((who))) taught them that What are you even implying? You had 3 million jewish population. Absurd number.
Christopher Reyes
Yeah, I don't believe anything in the Table Talks, even when a fellow National Socialist uses quotes from it to back up our beliefs on something. And Rockwell used the swastika because nobody paid attention to him until he did. He didn't like using the theatrics, but he needed to to get people to listen. Dr. William Pierce did a whole talk about this. It was a major source of disagreement between him and Rockwell
Thomas Campbell
Proof Hitler didn't hate Slavs:
Jozef Tiso was a Slovak Catholic priest and was a National Socialist sympathizing politician. He was also a friend of Hitler. In this link, you can find a picture of him shaking hands with Hitler: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jozef_Tiso
Hitler granted independence to the Slovak Republic under Jozef Tiso. He did the same thing with Croatia, another Slavic country. Why would he do that if he had goals to exterminate Slavs?
Goodnight, fuckers. I'll post a few more images and then leave
Mason Scott
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Nolan Wright
>Why should anyone not German be a National Socialist instead of just a hardcore Nationalist. Because Nationalism doesn't imply ethnocentrism and belief in transcendent non-material. >Calling themselves nazi is an act of treason for every self-respecting Slav. Ignoring the fact that 2-3 slav nations allied with Germany. >Rockwell knew that but he was still flaunting the swastika. Rockwell proudly called himself a NatSoc. >Identitarians and Alt Right are smarter in this regard. I don't call myself a NatSoc openly in public but go under the ambrells of those movements. Identitarianism is NatSoc taken out of German context.
Hudson Parker
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Chase Martinez
>ambrells umbrella lmao
Gavin Garcia
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Nathaniel Perry
Clearly proves that Hitler was a daydreamer. He launched aggression on Poland thinking that he will conquer super German fertile or industrialised lands inhabitated by submissive people. Instead he invaded a poorhole trying to rebuild its market after 100 years of economic abuse by occupants The greatest numbers of Jews arrived in Poland under Prussian and Russian occupation tho
Samuel Butler
>Yeah, I don't believe anything in the Table Talks Why? They're considered authentic, even by holocaust sceptics. >Dr. William Pierce did a whole talk about this Do you have a link maybe?
The hate of Slavs is undeniable, and those who allied where self-hating Slavs, Croatians for example thought they were Goths and Hitler rolled with it. >Rockwell proudly called himself a NatSoc If you remove the historical baggage, many people would be practically NatSoc. But it devolves into the same mantras like "not muh real communism". Hitler's mistakes should be called out or made understandable instead of being whitewashed a la "hitler loved all europeans" (he didn't)
Grayson Scott
It's a fact that he didn't but times have changed we have an external enemy at the gates and within us.
Benjamin Bailey
What does everyone think of a Mosley-style European superstate? The EU sort of pushes me away from this idea, but if it were a system that truly looked out for Europeans I don't think it would be necessarily *bad*.
Hunter Miller
All the new right especially in France are on the same opinion. I agree with him too. It's simply impossible for us to compete with huge multi-national states like India and China if we don't do the same thing.
Ryder Murphy
>The EU sort of pushes me away from this idea, The EU is not European and is not dominated by Germany get this out of your head. It's run by elites without identity or at worst with jewish identity.
