Tipping Culture in America

I don't get it, why is it when we eat out that it's mandatory to pay tip? What i hear from waitress is that they do not get payed at all for their work and rely on tips, which i call bullshit on. Isn't there employer obligated to pay what is owed from their work? Enlighten me pol.

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Well the other BS thing about this, is if you are going to give a percentage, it should be to the pre-tax SUBtotal. Going off of the main total is a scam.

The employer has to compensate up to minimum if they do not make that much in tips.

If the employee does not make atleast min wage in tips the employer assumes them a shitty waiter and fires them.

Its a bullshit position for employee and customer. Employer is only beneficiary

They can pay less because it is a tipped position. The last restaurant I worked at I made $2.63 an hr.

I get really mad about how they are walking up the standard tip. All my life it was 15% and now suddenly you're supposed to pay 20%

We need to stop snipping the tips off of kids dicks

Or just two dollars for every ten.
Also super simple.

The angrier you get the less I will tip you. I can sense that shit in a server. If you fuck with my mood I fuck with your paycheck. That's the system and that's how it works.

Now fucking smile and hope I pay you.

It was 12% or less when I was younger. And it was acceptable to just tip a $1 for most things.

>Isn't there employer obligated to pay what is owed from their work?

Yes, federal labor law requires that if their statutory wage plus tips doesn't equal the full minimum wage, the employer is required to make up the difference. Of course, a waiter or waitress who is so shitty that the employer is constantly having to shore up their pay probably isn't going to be working there long, but situations like this rarely happen.

In many any cities and states (California, as an example), they earn the full minimum wage regardless, and then tips are just gravy on top of that.

Worth remembering too is that most don't claim cash tips on their income, and dodge taxes (that's why I always make a point to tip on credit card).

All that said, if you don't like it, don't go out to eat. Yeah it's a stupid system, but it is what it is.

I was raised learning to tip 12% as well. Of course if our drinks went empty for a while or our server would do things such as just walking by without addressing us, not coming to check on drinks, check on how meal is, generally shitty, it was acceptable to not tip. Now they want 20% everytime, and the ability to serve you with an attitude. It isn't my responsibility to make sure you get paid if you're doing shitty work. Get another non-entry teenager job and drop your brand new entry level car you have for $450/month you fucking piece of shit restaurant worker who acts like an entitled, temporarily misplaced princess.

That's another thing I just realized, so many poor people act as if they're just temporarily displaced millionaires. Retarded.

Whenever I tip i always make sure to throw in a good handfull of pennies so the waiter has to pick them up off the table.

must be humiliating.

In the Netherlands the waiters don't even expect people to tip...

This is exactly why I never tip more than $5

How's if feel never having worked a day in your life fatass

Well... That's the wages then... I hate how Americans love to have hidden fees on shit. Go to a store and go hey $1 for that... I have one dollar right here and then go to buy it, then all sorts of secret fees are added to it and the $1 on the price tag is just for decoration. The REAL price people pay is more due to taxes and whatnot. It's bullshit.

>making $17 US plus $3 wage for bringing plates to a table

I make $25/CAD per hour which is pretty much the same as a machinist crafting and designing parts. What the fuck.

Pretty damn good

I think the kikery tipping culture has is a cog in the wheel of why our culture (american culture/society) is so vapid and fake.

Pretty fucking invincible

>If you don't like paying some cunt more money for giving you your food that someone else made, don't go out to eat

Fuck that, this is a retarded stance to take. Waiters and servers get 1 or 2 coins if they're good and fast. If they're shit they get nothing.
Any percentage based tips should go to the chef who actually made your food and worked for it.
And if they don't like it, they can find an other job

Being a faggot about it doesntmake people want to tip. You knew tipping was voluntary when you took the job and you know not everyone feels the same about everything including tipping.

I am going to start tipping 9.9% now because of this piece of shit

It came from Prohibition.

Banning alcohol ruined their profits and ability to pay waiters, so they encouraged tips. After it was unbanned it stuck for obvious reasons.

>that it's mandatory to pay tip?
It's not. Only stupid people tip.
>they do not get payed at all for their work and rely on tips
Waitstaff are compulsive liars. They get paid what they're work is worth(minimum wage at most stores) but they wany more than that. And they make loads off dumb saps tipping

Tipped gigs are literally the last middle class jobs with a low barrier of entry. Let's make sure we ruin that because it makes you uncomfortable for no reason whatsoever.

Millennial companies like Uber and some other hip restaurants are not a "tipping culture." Give it another decade or so and they'll all be gone. That'll be the millenials legacy. Dumpster fire of a generation.

The restaurant saves money on food so your food is cheaper
Service is incentivized simultaneously.
This is not mandatory, and shouldn't really be based on percent.
If you don't like tipping STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE NOT TO TIP. They are subsidizing your cheap-ass. If everyone stops, service quality will drop AND prices will rise as a new wage equilibrium is met to maintain employment.
Your server should be putting in effort into one or two things depending on the restaurant: making you like them or being a fucking ninja you never see after introduction as your desires materialize on the table.
Judge how well they met these goals and reward their hard work. If you can't afford to tip at all, you are a stupid nigger for paying 300% markup on a meal to begin with.
If your server sucks, still tip them: one penny. This doesn't mean your bar drink or you didn't get enough fries, it means they didn't treat you with respect (which to some degree includes prompt service) and inhibited your enjoyment of the meal.

The one penny is a message that you did not forget and are otherwise hip to tips.

Tipping is great for literally everyone involved, all positive with zero negative. Prove me wrong.

it's alot like sales. some do well, some don't, it mostly has to do with the situation you're in with the actual service you provide as a close second.
All in all I made about $500-$700 a week, depending on hours.
Slow Tuesday 4 hour shift? maybe $50
8 hour shift on a two for one drink sale on Saturday? $300

I only tip if she takes me out back and sucks my dick

Am server, you are doing it right.

My job is to facilitate and enjoyable meal/experience. Anything I do to prevent that should be reflected in my tip amount.

Tipping is ridiculous for two main reason.
My server spends about 2.5 minutes on me personally, Maybe lets round that to 10 because no one can work constantly. In the case of example given that is a $100/hr tip.
Furthermore the economics just do not make sense. Businesses make like 2-5%, a restaurant is like 90% likely to fail because they all make practically no profit. So a business puts out $1 million in expenses, and gets $1.05 million back, maybe. But in the restaurant business, the servers are supposed to get 20% off the top of this $1.05 million, not have to pay a cent in expenses. If a server was really paid 20% they would make more than the owner, CEO, and manager all added together.

You are wrong. It's a ploy to pass on worker's wages to customers directly without really getting anything in return because it's expected by society under the guise of generosity.

The rule of thumb is to claim 10% of cash tips .
>t.chef

>My job is to facilitate and enjoyable meal/experience.
This is why i hate waitstaff. No, dipshit, your job is to get my food from the kitchen because I can't get it myself. I don't want you to talk to me, I don't want to even see you.

Most of us would just leave them for the busser. Even the busser is more likely to throw them away than keep them. Time is money, and we have better things to do.

Hell, if a quarter falls on the floor, it's probably going into the trash at the end of the night too. Picking up and washing my hands costs me way more time than 25 cents worth.

One of the last jobs were a person with little education can make an honest, living wage. It is also a job that can teach social skills and get you NEETS off your asses.

OP, don't eat out if you can't tip.

That's not very common unless you're eating out. Most shit that costs a dollar usually does cost a dollar in my experience.

>don't eat out if you can't tip
Why? The employer has to give waiters minimum wage if their tips don't add up to at least that amount.

>inb4 "abloo bloo i can't live on minimum wage!!!"
Be pissed at your elected representatives, not your customers.

>The rule of thumb is to claim 10% of cash tips
Yeah, to dodge taxes. Only claim enough to get to minimum wage and don't report the rest. Fuck off.
>honest wage
>doing the most worthless "work" ever

They charge sales taxes at the cash register though.

If you can't tip keep your broke ass home.

Servers at my place make $52K A FUCKING YEAR ON TIPS WORKING 4-10:30
It's a min wage job. The only difference between them and a food runner is they write something on a piece of paper after a different person reads them something off a piece of paper.
That I typed up.
And created.
And sourced the product for.
And trained my staff to make.
And cooked for you to perfection, indulgence is key.

But hey, they wrote down what you said and then walked 15 feet with a plate, fuck it, pay them 52k.

America.

I just avoid any place with wait staff and a closed kitchen. pretty much if I can't see the food prepared and who prepares it I walk out.

>20% tip

This is fucking ridiculous.

>20 fuckin percent
I pay taxes on everything I buy legally, why the fuck would I pay an additionnal 20%?

Nonsense.... I went into a normal store and wanted to buy some bread and cheese to bring back to the hotel and none of the prices was the same as the price tag. they added taxes and whatnot. The prices are just decoration.

You Americans sure love to do meaningless math, if there is a price here in Europe then that's the price.

You don't understand man! You can't approximate. Every tip must be calculated to the penny

I tip 10% if I really like the staff, with any job. I don't tip if they just do their job, and I leave a penny if they do bad.

It's 25%, shitlord.

usatoday.com/story/travel/2013/10/14/tipping-25-percent-restaurants/2976417/

That's my point.
They HAVE to claim 100% earnings on card/electronic payments. All modern posi systems track sales to employee for audit reasons.

Cash they claim 10%. So most of the time a solid 30-40% of their earnings they only report 10 percent of.
We are upset over the same thing user.

>20% tip

lol no, only if you're fucking amazing at your job

you'd better suck 20% of my dick lol

20% for some turd that brought my food out from the kitchen? Ahahaha get a real job, snowflake

It's not mandatory, it's just that some parts of the culture expect or appreciate it. I just got back from Vegas where I noticed a lot of people didn't tip but we actually did quite a bit.

We had $0.05 beers at happy hour on the strip and were getting about 6 at a time, and I paid $5 bill and the guy went mental, pressed the note against his forehead so it stuck there and was shouting etc, was quite fun.

I noticed a lot of other people didn't tip, and it wasn't a big deal, everyone just got on with things. I was never made to feel it was mandatory.

>I don't get it, why is it when we eat out that it's mandatory to pay tip?

Because it allows your employers to skimp out on paying a decent salary. You just move the onus of paying your employers directly to the customer. Plus that saves them handily on paying taxes. Of course this cost is also borne by the rest of society.

People still tip in countries with decent wages and no mandatory tipping. It just means more. The quality of the food and the service is unaffected, so that tipping myth is just that, a myth.

Plus, once you add in your insane tipping level of 20% eating out in the US is more expensive than doing it in a socialist country where the cook and waitress enjoy free healthcare and good salaries, so you don't even save money on the tradeoff.

>why is it when we eat out that it's mandatory to pay tip?
It isn't mandatory though.
>What i hear from waitress is that they do not get payed at all for their work and rely on tips
Waiters get paid usually something along the lines of $3/hour+ tips, so long as the tips they collect average out to equal minimum wage of $7.25
If waiters are not tipped, the restaurant is required to pay them minimum wage, which, in a lot of restaurants usually leads to shifts getting changed and hours cut for that waiter if it happens consistently.
Tipping is a shit system and waiters absolutely should only be paid minimum wage since there is little to no skill involved in being a waiter short of a fine dining environment.

>a server makes more than a Ceo!
>all restaurants in a chain are served by a single person

Why are people why oppose tipping always so stupid?

Businesses suck, I work at an oil change shop and we advertise a synthetic change for like 100 dollars

But if you come in with a truck or a high performance car that 100 quickly becomes 200-300

I always tip

>making an ass out of yourself, shouting at people over a $5 bar tab

>not using Amsoil

Pleb

There is no reason to work a minimum wage job that doesn't get tips. I make $9 and hour, but it's $18 on average after tips in a semi popular cafe (usually a higher average during the holidays too)
It allows me to not live like a poverty-stricken degenerate. I eat pretty healthy, have savings, no debt, and I pay for college up front every year. I can only do this because of tips.
Please keep tipping your servers, don't be dicks.
We also remember your unnecessarily complicated orders, have the high cooks remake your order when they fuck up without you even knowing, and we genuinely want to help you have a good experience.

The tipping culture has made the service industry very competitive.

It's not a job that you can just walk into with no experience. I once tried to get a job in NYC as a bartender or a server, and they want 5 years of experience with references.

>Visiting New York
>Eating at restaurant
>Get check
>15% gratuity was added to it
>Line blank to give them more shekels
>Walk out and disappear into foot traffic
Trying to force me to tip means no shekels for you. I'm not going to subsidize your shit job because you have no goals in life. Get a real job.

I only tip if if the waitress calls me sweetheart or honey.

I deliver pizzas on weekends to make some extra cash and people tip all the time. Even when they don't I don't really mind I still get paid for the mileage. The people who don't tip are more than covered by the ones that do anyway.

Tipping at all is such a fucking retarded meme, that its mandatory i mean, really what the fuck, you are an asshole if you dont tip. thats fucked in america

Oh look, it's this thread again. Sage.

for an entry level shit tier position, you should not be making $300 a day in any circumstance.

For my shitty wage slave job where I do actual work when im not at class, I barely manage to rake in $300 after taxes a week and you entitled faggots just take that each day and keep bitching.
You fucks don't deserve tips, the chef that made the food does.

I work in a restaurant in Houston which serves largely foreigners staying in nearby hotels. I am bombarded by these foreigners with praise I rarely get from the locals: how friendly I am, how prompt the service is, how I anticipate their needs before they voice them. (They also get excited at how the food is cheaper than anticipated.)

Such things are as foreign to them as the foreigners are to me. They don't come from tipping cultures and do not get to see such personal attention when simply getting a meal.

You get rid of tipping, you lose that. No big deal to you I'm sure, but many people gladly, eagerly pay more for that kind of personal touch.

More to your predicament, is the price. If we get rid of tipping you don't just replace people eager to please with the same soulless looks behind the counter at McDonald's, but the price increases as well.

Between these two, most people (especially like you) will just go to mcdonalds by this point. Impersonal service AND bloated prices doesn't exactly bring people in. Both lowering barrier to entry for customers AND gaining incentivized employees is pretty much the only thing keeping middle-range restaurants open.

Now, people who were tipping generously previously will actually see heir meal cost go down, but people who refuse to tip are just going to get priced out of their favorite restaurants.

>tfw economics major
>tfw server
>tfw you turn down other jobs

We do carry Amsoil but it's 150 dollars because we buy it from the US and our dollar sucks.

I still just do 10%

Tipping based on how much the food costs is pretty stupid too especially if the money doesn't go to the chef. Like bitch you did the same amount of work bringing out the lobster as you did the chicken wings but now I have to pay you extra? retarded

It's happy hour and everyone is drunk and having fun and they're just encouraging that by being gregarious. For him it's a $4.70 in the bank and if he gets a bunch of those then he's had a good hour.

Anyway Vegas is a good laugh, great place to get trashed and spend some cash, we go every year for DefCon and see the sights. I'm happy to tip I'm not cheap, especially after a good night at the tables.

Agreed.

Euros deserve to make fun of us for this shit. Tipping culture is maximum kike

>implying we should pay the cooks wage, the managers salary who isn't overseeing the cook, and then on top of it, tip you to make sure that we get the product we ordered


No, you serve at a shitty establishment. Why the fuck would I pay a cook who doesn't cook and a manager who doesn't manage.

You millenials and your lack of business instincts is what's hurting you in finding a good job and a real career. Protip: you hire people to do the job you pay them for.

It should be factored into prices/wages.

Pure retarded expecting a tip, or requiring it to make a living wage

What do you think "facilitate" means? If your food never leaves the kitchen, you won't enjoy it very much. I'm not putting on a play for you, or creating the experience itself, I am facilitating an enjoyable one.

Also I mentioned in another comment exactly what you said: to be a ninja as everything the customer desires materializes on the table is an appropriate serving strategy in some restaurants.

I make mad money because real recognizes real. I've turned down job offers at my job (usually sales related)

We recognize you as well. If you've ever gotten decent service it was probably from a rookie.

I tip 20% because of my immense pity for anyone shackled to a service job. Hopefully they're using the extra money to invest into dividend yielding stocks.

You people are mindblowingly retarded. Fuck you. Just die.

Fuck tipping threads online

>20.00
>2.00
>4.00
>20% tip
no thanks, I prefer 10% -- up to a maximum of 2$. And that's only if the service was excellent.

>my unacknowldged quints made at 22:22
Okily dokeily halfichan

restaurant businesses are also the most likely to fail of any venture so it takes some of the pressure off the owner if the location or reputation is bad or if they're just getting started

The only time I eat out is when I am out of town and it's the only option so I don't give a fuck. t. someone who isn't a lazy piece of shit that can cook.

>>entry level shit tier position

Being a waiter or a bartender isn't an entry level job. They want years of experience.

Being a busser is entry level.

Yup! Delivery and then serving turned me from shy to fly. I'm still a shy person at heart, but I'm able to not be now when the need suits me.

Never would have happened without the desire for increasing my tips. If my wage was the same either way, I probably wouldn't even speak to the customers.

>Hopefully they're using the extra money to invest into dividend yielding stocks.

More like get trashed with their friends over the weekend. But here's to wishful thinking.

>I don't want you to talk to me, I don't want to even see you.
I feel the same way. Don't make small talk with me, just get my food, fill my drinks, and leave me alone so I can make small talk with my group.

digits are gay, and expecting attention makes you even gayer. leave you homosexual. Ps check my post number

Damn straight.
If a group of people buy 500$ worth of food, which is fairly easy for a group of 10-12 people to rack up in a middle end resturaunt, I am not paying an extra 100$ because some stupid cunt spent 10 minutes moving 15 lbs of food about 30 feet.

Just a guess, but you lack the social SKILLS necessary to be a successful waiter.

If not, you are a fucking chump getting paid less than them at the same establishment.

>Please keep tipping your servers, don't be dicks.

kys

>t. entitled waiter faggot who wants more gibs for nothing

>tipping
>not paying your workers a real fucking wage
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_States
your welcome

its true, their entitled, bratty, hypocritial cunts, im a cook, i would know.
its funny when they bitch about not getting tipped by one table, like it bankrupted them, when theyll make 200+ a day, literally from just takin orders(they have food runners), then tip out 6 cooks 5 dollars total.

Maybe at Higher end resuraunts and in cities, but most places it is just college and high school age girls or burnt out stacys. Nearly all the waitresses and waiters from where I a from are all college students although I will give you credit on the bartender.

If you're spending $10 on a good sandwich, chips, and some espresso/a dessert after, but can't handle a $2 tip, you wouldn't be coming to where I work anyway.
>why would I pay bla bla you millenials
I'm Gen Z desu. I'm working a job making more than you do while I'm in school and you're just butthurt. I'm not hurting my chances of finding a "real job", I'm just not making $11 an hour working at a call center with a bunch of Mexicans. You should work on being able to afford lunch before you give advice

Kek. Agree

>boohoo, my jobs so much harder and I get less money

Crabs in a bucket people. This autismo lacks the personality and charm to be a server, so he hates on them and wants them to lose what he failed to earn.

While we're on the subject, when is Reddit going to go back online? I'm sick of all the plebbits.

Hey faggot, Its not that we can't afford it, that was never even brought up. It is that entitled faggots like YOU do not deserve my extra money for doing the job you were hired to do. KYS