AnCap & NatSoc

Why are these two seen as allies on this board? Aren't national socialists by definition and practice socialists, and have highly authoritarian governments with a large amount of wealth redistribution? Do AnCaps just think of it as letting the retarded nazis have their own failing state as a sacrifice to achieve the AnCap society, or do people here legitimately believe that an AnCap state could co-exist alongside a nazi one?

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>Aren't national socialists by definition and practice socialists
It's weird, they will insist that they are socialists all the fucking time, and then when the capitalists call them out on it they will do a 180 and say the opposite.

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You need ethnic nationalism to have a good libertarian society

Through one you get the other when society has been fucked up by shit skins and niggers

Libertarians have been sharing a board with National Socialists for almost ten years now. They obviously disagree on a lot of things but they have an equal disdain for commies

You don't need ethnic nationalism to have a good libertarian society; you need strict enforcement of property rights and contracts. The niggers will naturally die of starvation.

Cause they're liars.

I have equal disdain for you.

Right-wing: hierarchy is desirable, strength is respected

Left-wing: equality is desirable, weakness is respected

Because right now we shouldn't care about how right you are, just how white you are

This is primitive. AnCap is based on using wealth as a proxy for social utility, and allowing the natural forces of capitalism to allocate scarce resources to their best use for social utility. This has absolutely nothing to do and contradicts nazis.

Because they both want to remove commies

We are allies. Stop causing problems.

If they, filthy nazis, step outside of Germany again to a rape a non-commie state, they get the flamethrower again.

I'm not white. AnCap has no problem with this, but nazis do. It also means nazis are an existential threat and violate the NAP.

So it's option a. have a sacrificial failed state for the Aryan LARPers

Libertarians and NatSoc have been allies on this board before you newfags invaded.
We've been united by our hatred for the Jew.
Read up on Sup Forumss history before shitposting like this

In order for a libertarian right society to work you need to first purge all shitskins and leftists, and then keep promoting the benefits of libertarianism with a strong national identity for future generations. Thus, libertarians need NS to achieve and maintain their goals.

You don't get a free pass just because you hate jews faggot, i don't care what some idiot neckbeard on 4chinz had to say about it

Why do you need to purge shitskins and leftists? The whole point of AnCap is that they have exactly zero claim on your property and you have zero obligation to help them. They'll sort themselves or die trying, literally.

Most NS are libertarian at heart, but "live and let live" doesn't work when you're being invaded and leftists want to take your property to pay welfare to a bunch of spics.

Nazis and other assorted fascists are capitalists. They have no economic answers. Hitler told the bankers one thing and the workers another. He also said economics were ultimately pointless.

>strength is respected
Top kek is this why Communism beat Fascism multiple times in history. Rightists are weak, impotent losers.

Lmao

>(((commies)))
Stop pussyfooting around it.
The problem is the eternal Jew. If they didn't create communism they would've created something else.
Ancaps are soulless fucks that want to live within a neat little Jew controlled world and actually expect to win.
Free pass for what? I don't care for your approval. You've read (((Milton Friedman))) once or twice and watched a lecture by (((Ben Shapiro))) and now treat AnCap like the messiah

>Top kek is this why Communism beat Fascism multiple times in history
And then capitalism beat communism.

Who wants to live around a bunch of brown "people" or tumblrinas? Besides that, you will never be able to reduce the size of government to a libertarian level as long as you have a bunch of low IQ third worlders allowed as much say in government as the white man. They will never vote away their gibs, therefore they must be purged.

The Roman Empire was fascist and lasted ~2100 years. North Korea and Cuba are the longest lasting communist countries and they are on their last 2 feet.

Nazis aren't capitalists, how dare you. Nazis are socialists just like you fucks, and you all believe economics is pointless. Which is wrong and why you're all fucking morons.

>strength is respected
And capitalists always win.

No, you can't be NS and be libertarian at heart. You're either willing to use violent political force to impose your authoritarian view on others in violation of the NAP, or you're not. There is no middle ground because you can't define exactly under what conditions you could impose such force, which is why all government always gets fucked in the end.

>they have exactly zero claim on your property

You think they'll care about your shitty NAP meme? They'll gang up and take your property because nearly every other race are racially aware.
Whites are something like 16% of the global population and our people are not racially aware at all. We're a divided people. Strength through unity. Other races and ethnicities will pool their resources to conquer us as they're doing right now in the real world, and as they will do in your fantasy world.

Except in reality wealth is used as a proxy to generate more of itself and resources are sold at the highest possible price after creating artificial scarcity.

Sage threads like this. They're a divide and conquer tactic. Sage goes in the options field.

If people are different, then divergence of outcomes is to be expected in a capitalist society, and a hierarchy forms naturally. Look at how much the left rails against any form of inequality. No shit nazis are different, but it shares with libertarianism that some form of a hierarchy is desirable even if they disagree on how it should arise, whereas leftist ideologies argue that equality is desirable and that hierarchy is an innate bad and is to be avoided if possible.

>strict enforcement
rather authoritarian of you. how do you plan to pay for this enforcement?

Don't give a shit about (((Ben Shapiro))) or jews; they have no power if there are no instutional structures of power. Meanwhile good luck running your ethno-nationalist state with Richard Spencer as your new chancellor.

>implying there will be government at all
>implying there will be gibs
>implying any level of government at all is acceptable
This is where you fucked up. Property rights. Contracts. That's it.

Invading hordes of spics stealing my hard earned money and my/my children's birthright doesn't violate the NAP? Importing a bunch of violent niggers and mudslimes which are likely to harm me/my family doesn't violate the NAP?

The answer is yes, it does. And once the NAP is violated, you are free to do what's necessary to resolve the situation.

Ancap is a lifestyle and values of a capitalists.

Nationalism is knowing where you are from, understand your country's strength and be proud and patriotic about it.

Why can't ancap uphold nationalistic values?

Why does it have to be mutually exclusive?

If we don't Unite the Right, then the Left will crush us all in a torrent of social justice-Islamophilia-egalitarian-communist horseshit.

UNITE THE RIGHT!

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I flirt between pure an-cap/an-primtivism on some days and full out national socialist on the other.

i think it's because ultimately I feel as if society could go in two directions and be strong:

1. homogeneous and powerful like the NSDAP were, complete with advancements in every field of civilization RAPIDLY because of successful the national socialist model of government is and societal framework.

2. that civilization is just a cancer and its best to live in small scattered tribes.

i understand the stupidity 2 of times but its a calling in me nonetheless.

Ok genius, how do you propose implementing your AnCap society? Voting? Like I said, shitskins always vote for bigger government. Always.

The only way is going full NS for a while to purge the land of people who want more government. Period. AnCap/Libertarianism is just a fantasy otherwise.

>AnCap state
hmmm this is making me ponder OP

Sage goes in the options field.

Sage goes in the options field.

Specifically, you need a highly eugenic socius. E-N is a good proxy for eugenics.

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>racially aware gangs want my property
Then shoot 'em. If that doesn't work, use your McBunkerbuster.

>strength through unity
Fuck your "unity"; you're threatening my property. I'll shoot you too.

Wrong. Even with all the shenanigans the world is remarkably good at distributing capital to where it is most efficiently utilized. That's why East Asia is kicking the shit out of the West.

>hierarchy forms naturally
Then why do you have to violently enforce your "hierarchy"? Oh wait, maybe its because the natural hierarchy isn't "whites at the top", it's high-IQ, talented, entrepreneurial people at the top. Don't pretend like only whites fall in that.

Consenting parties have a reason to create mutual enforcement of property rights, because it distributes the cost burden but increases the likelihood people will abrogate in the first place. Adding in third parties makes it even more easily enforceable with scaling network effect returns. All while remaining entirely voluntary, in whole or in part.

Sage goes in the options field.

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Because capitalism has to exist in the USA, and mostly USA posters on this board, so capitalism isn't outright fought by national socialists. You'd make a mistake thinking a direct copy of any past government or philosophy isn't good; each great thing like national socialism has to be catered to a specific moment in time

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Marxists are the capitalists' attack dogs who do not know true socialism. That includes yourself.

>hurr lend lease was nothing but LOOK HITLER MADE TRADES WITH FOREIGN BANKS OH MAH GAWD CAPITALISM!!

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>niggers go in the cotton field.

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I'm Hispanic and quasi-AnCap; however, I do despise The Jews.

Interesting. And how exactly do you plan on convincing the Jews to just give up their institutional powers?
The only people that are going to vote for AnCap are some 15-30 year old white males, and a couple token based black guys™ from reddit
It's not going to be a democratic uprising, that won't be allowed, and you faggots are too pussy to ever fight for it physically because that violates a NAP

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The majority of ancaps are non whites who want to have an edgy ideology but aren't principled enough for fascism. 90% of them haven't read a single book.

It's utterly non nonsensical to think that anarchy won't end up in what will basically be small ethnic micro states in some sort of feudal hierarchy.

>taking bait posts by larpers using meme flags seriously
Wouldn't be surprised if you faggots are trolls.

NS endorses economic authoritarianism. Political authoritarianism and economic freedom are compatible (see Pinochet); you don't NS economics for that.

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>lolbertarianism
>NS
What the fuck are you smoking?

Damn right brother

you do realize that there were colored nazis aswell? like turks, muslims (not a race), blacks, Asians. everybody was a nazi... even some jews. but national socialism is basically: No Race mixing.

This.
>hurr durr in an AnCap society there would be no state in the first place!
So how do you plan on reaching that point?
>durrrrr
The only way is violent overthrow/purges
>BUT THAT VIOLATES THEN NAP!!!

>how are you gonna take over the world to make the AnCap state user?
I'm not trying to fucking take over the world, that's the point. I'm going to buy/build a little private island in international water, create a basic system of enforcement of property and contract rights coded onto a blockchain, and then buy a missile defense system and shoot anybody/anything who comes within 10 miles without authorization.

They would be physically removed. A combination of private security drones and gentrification would be de facto ethnic cleansing.

I was going to remind them of this, but really, the best thing to do is to just put sage in the options field and hit post.

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I don't care what color shitskin you convinced to be nazi, it's a stupid ideology that will lead down the exact same path as all (((socialist))) autocracies.

This is my spit of land. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

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Keep Your Friends Close and Your Enemies Closer

>"""anarchist""" capitalism
>forms a state immediately to defend economic hierarchy
uhhh hmmmm

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Right, okay.
So you're going to live a basic agrarian life style. No one will trade with you. Nor will ever have enough money for a missile defence system, nor will you have money for an island.
Nice fantasy tho. It's good to dream big.

Nobody accused you of wanting to take over the world retard
>durr I'll have a private island an sheeeit
Sure you will. The rest of us want real solutions for where we already live and not some fairy tale bullshit.

But I'm a non-White quasi-AnCap and I want Jews purged.

>It's utterly non nonsensical to think that anarchy won't end up in what will basically be small ethnic micro states in some sort of feudal hierarchy.

That's literally what I want.

>Why are these two seen as allies on this board?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. It is no different then how feminists are now allied with muslims. Islam has the exact opposite principles of feminism, but they both hate white males and Christianity.

AnCap and Natsoc have common enemies.

That's a great image

Guess where sage goes.

Answer: The options field.

You have to be 18 to use this board

Sage

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thanks m8

the only way to win is together against (((them)))

>Aren't national socialists by definition and practice socialists
no

There's different degrees of libertarianism, dumbshit. Besides that, myself and others have been pointing out there's simply no way to achieve a libertarian society as long as shitskins and leftists exist in your nation, so you have to deal with that problem first before you can even consider your degree of libertarianism.

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>voluntary contractual obligations and their enforcement
>state
not the same thing.

What are Hong Kong, Singapore, Dubai

So if Elon Musk had this idea, it would be a good one, but because it's user, no dice. Also they make artificial islands already, and deep water electrical generation exists (OTEC).

this.

But do we agree that once the communists are gone, we have to get rid of the nazis too?

field.

If we're united by anything, it's that we'll give nothing to the useless. No matter who you side with, that will always be an improvement.

Sage.

Both are highly Darwinistic, either through capitalism or eugenics.
AnCap can only work with an ethnocentric homogeneous moral and religious people, the same things NS strives to protect.
Both are also highly hierarchical, NS has the Führer and AnCap will lead to a strong dictator/king to maintain propery rights and kick out any commies.

just another reminder that """AN""""-CAPs are quite literally not anarchists
thats not a political statement its a factual one

When we are at peace we are AnCap. When we are at war we are NatSoc.

Fuck off leaf, your superiors are talking.

>seriously replying to these d&c threads
>seriously trying to argue with these d&c threads
>not just putting sage where it goes (options field) and posting
Sage goes in the options field. Put it where it belongs. Set it free.

Because Ancaps are people who choose to be retarded and Nazis are people who choose to be retarded.

For God's sake, they both think they're rightists.

Yeah but socialism (not marxist) implies a willingness to give up shit to benefit the whole which makes it incompatible with libertarianism not to say there isn't liberty allowed in places.

You're probably thinking of fascistic libertarian which makes sense if we're talking about USING the systems/ways considered libertarian in an organic state.

>muh shitskins and leftists


>NS
>Darwinist
Maybe socially but definitely not economically.

>Anarchy
>Dictator/King
WTF is wrong with you

>tfw someone posts oc you made years ago