För/Emot SD?

Hej,
so i'm facing a voting dilemma. I believe in socialism, i think a society thrives if taxes are moderately high and everyone chips in to fund public functions like schools, hospitals, emergency services and public transport etc. BUT i am also strongly against immigration. And i think Swedes politics regarding the recent flood has been beyond terrible. Frankly it's tearing us apart.

See my problem? The only party that seriously supports slowing down immigration is SD, but besides a mutual love of Sweden and Swedish values and traditions, i don't really share their views. And the party i like the most are Vänster Partiet but i hate their views on immigration.

What do?

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Start your own party. The Svinni Cuckson party. Bake free chocolate chip cookies and make some lemonade and give them out at your rallies. Even the leftists will like you. Remember to be as polite as possible, even to hecklers, and people will naturally be attracted to your side. Say you want the old Sweden back with a welfare state and few if any non Swedish people.

I am a left winger that votes right. It is not a hard question, you sould think more deeply about it re cooperative game theory. The left only works when all do their share and that requires a homogeneous society. Only a cuck would vote left in a multicultural society as it essentially is voting to give their higher taxes to niggers and muslims.

tldr: vote the furthest right you can until immigration has shut down.

Even the right-wing parties in Sweden are to the left of most others. Public services will always be funded, even if/when a more conservative government is in government. Public infrastructure can be fixed, demographics can't beyond a certain point besides extreme measures.

Vote for Fi
We want to criminalize white men
I hope we'll get your vote

Found your own party for likeminded people.

I think what you are expressing is way more common than you think it is. I have heard swedes express the exact same frustration, even before the immigration flood properly took off.

Socialism only "works" with a high IQ population. If you import a bunch of 60-90IQ population that starts to vote.

You have to start building exclaves inside Sweden, giving away land to sovreign arabic micronations inside Sweden. or better known as Ghettos to insulate the Low IQ population taking all the welfare that the high IQ population works to getting.


But SD is pretty socialistic. The only difference between SD and V Is that V wants to make private healthcare illegal while SD wants everyone to pay for Universal Health care and you can pay into Private Healthcare if you want an alternative.

Its like, do you want 75% leftism with no immigration or 100% leftism with immigration?

SD stands for the kind of socialism we had circa 1950-1980 i.e. "Folkhemmet"
its was the closest to the kind of socialistic utopia everyone dreams of and it worked because we were culturally and ethnically homogeneous
SD can never achieve that kind of "utopia" though since we have loads of shitskins and niggers already established in our country
I will still be voting for them because SD is the most realistic vote to actually halt and discourage further immigration and hopefully reintroduce some of the core values Sweden had during 1950-1980 and force the shitskins and niggers into the workforce or have them leave en masse

B-but i'm a white mang

Are you retarded? SD are filthy leftists economically.

Yeah good point,

doesn't matter, voting is rigged . Only vote for abolishing voting

Socialism never works.
When people have it too good they stop breeding which means there will be a shortage of people paying their forefathers pensions and thus immigration begins.

Yeah economically, i'm all for the gays and girls rights and all that jazz. Just not the mass importing of dead weight rapists. I think many of SDs more underlying cultural views are regressive and counter productive.

Chances are i'll vote for them nästa val anyways

vote for anti immigrant parties they will not pull the social programs out from under your feat. get immigration policy in than go vote for something more akin to your view

It's the only viable alternative for the 2018 election and you know it.

Seriously, who the hell are you else going to vote for?

So you want a progressive leftist party without immigration?

Yes they are but is there any right wing party purely economically speaking? No.

Sure, go ahead and vote for Centern but you know they're not going to stem the tides.

population decline is the greatest enemy to functioning socialism
however with the right incentive for breeding (tax cuts, etc) the population would stay relatively stable
no population growth is better than continuous growth

most swedes dont want to kill the socialist programs, we have a system between socialism and capitalism which has worked really really well previously (read about det svenska folkhemmet, people didnt need to lock their doors and it promoted prosperity and security for both the country and the people)
a declining population and listening to the jews about immigration is what ruined it, it was Olof Palme who killed Sweden, and he was killed for it

Fair enough. Medborgerlig Samling is the furthest right id vote though. C will never get my vote. KD might.

No population growth would lead to societal collapse as the social systems gets stretched thinner and thinner just like they are now.

You will never completely agree with one of the parties. Never. I disagree with SD on the EU issue for instance, but they will still get my vote. I agree with the KD to a certain extent but they won't get my vote. You need to prioritize your issues, and they way I see it, right now there is no bigger threat to Swedish and European sovereignty than (((refugees))).

Moreover, SD isn't even anti-welfare. I don't think much would change. They would just reshuffle the budget to focus more on ethnic Swedes, and not just on the (((refugees))).

All the parties are fundamentally pro welfare state in Sweden, so you don't have to feel bad/give up on your fundamental beliefs.

>I believe in socialism
why
>i think a society thrives if taxes are moderately high and everyone chips in to fund public functions like schools, hospitals, emergency services and public transport etc.
literally everything wrong with our country in one sentence, Swedish Radio is statefunded propaganda, So is the radio channels and state handout run tv stations
Schools are shit, and are worse than god knows what
Hospitals are the worst in europe
emergency services cant do anything
public transport is clogged by achmedis
everything is not working because our money is used the wrong way

literally everything wrong with this shit country is that we give 35% as a private person to the state
50% as a private owned corporatoin
sometimes even 60%

you and your ilk are the reason id rather not work and give to the system and bleeed you dry
until i can keep my personally earned money
you can fuckin hang yourself


also i have never heard anyone give a good reason to why i should pay the state of this shit country, with the money i personally make by creating websites, writing codes and even making systems for your shit kind to use att your filthy work, on your phones etc

fuck your fuckin nigger tier gibs med at attitude

i seriously want this shithole to burn


il end with this
i would never save you, your family members, and your children if i sau a jihadi / arab / non white rape and murder you,. you are the reason we are here and you deserve it
rob the people and expect them to pitch in right
otherwise extrot them att gunpoint.

Why don't you do something instead of just relying on voting?

I'd say the king has done the most in the "Culture war".

swedishcenter.or.jp/test

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You can fight without being a sperg.

>SD stands for the kind of socialism we had circa 1950-1980
no they don't.
they have replaced it with liberalism so that they can suck the Moderate partys dick

>No population growth would lead to societal collapse as the social systems gets stretched thinner and thinner just like they are now.
no, why would it
its only being stretched thinner and thinner today because we have 400,000 shitskins and niggers who we have to pay for and complete economical naïvety within the government (unsustainable spending by the government agencies)
if we would have introduced actual measures to promote having children by giving tax cuts or tax returns for marriage and for having children i honestly doubt that the system would be on the verge of collapse

SD 2018

Because if we dont have population growth, who will pay for all this welfare and social systems? People age and stop working you know.

Socialism, subsidies, are needed only to overcome natural disabilities, helping disabled people for example. Other people born healthy have to grow a spine and take care of themselves.

>sd
Seriously hope you guys don't do this.

So basically you need taxes and public expenditure to pay for public goods, i.e. roads and armed forces, and to give free handouts to disabled people.

Kill yourselves

så vad fan tror du är bättre att rösta på?
finns fan inget annat att välja mellan

I can respect that, in many ways i feel the same way, but what is the alternative? Privatisation?
So the access money made from the public functions disappear into the pockets of massive corporations? Then we would be in the same boat as the Americans. People dying of easily treatable disease cause they can't afford their own healthcare. No thank you.

I'm curious, if you got to decide, how would you craft the perfect society? National socialism?

Väntar på kollapsen.

>Agrees with all SD's views
>Doesn't like SD
Enjoy your rape

This
Women hate to work, and they are not meant to either. You see a lot of girls in Norway just not giving a fuck about their career that they spent their early life studying for, because they find out working 8 hours a day is to tiresome. So they get pregnant to get some baby gibs from the government.

the socialism that was present in the 50's is not compatible with today's globalized economy. the only party that truly wants to keep a functioning welfare state is SD. they are doing ity by focusing on the core principle that made the welfare possible, high IQ people and solidarity. the liberal legislations are just regulatory to adjust for today's economic circumstances.

S are contradiciting themselves by saying they wanna keep the welfare state because of the mass immigration. M aggressively wants to deconstruct the welfare state with mass immigration. SD is the only choice today.

Vote for more niggers and make your moms do it too, they will love more of that bbc

>I believe in socialism
> i think a society thrives if taxes are moderately high and everyone chips in to fund public functions like schools, hospitals, emergency services and public transport etc.
>I believe in socialism
sounds like u dont even know what socialism is t b h mate?
have u even ever read marx or kropotkin?

I've read Kropotkin. Windy navel-gazer with more footnotes than book.
Maybe if he wrote like you it would cut down on the pages of BS

i agree t b h his books sometimes went one quite a bit to long and rambled
i think he got his critiques of capitalism and marxist-socialism more or less right though

Taxes aren't high in Socialism, they are high in:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden
>Kingdom of Sweden
>Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy

this
taxes quite literally didn't exist in catalonia the best example of socialism to date t b h

>muh political parties
King is the ruler of Sweden and EU parliament. Political parties are just for public puppet display.
How many more decades do you Christian retards need to figure out Sweden is a monarchy where king rules supreme and they abide by international EU law? EU btw was also created by monarchy.

The (((Bonnier))) family is the ruler of Sweden.

Whatever. Socialism doesn't has monetary system and democratic political party elections for parliament, also no inflation or uneven salaries.

this is the truth

Why?

They invested into media, which word itself implies non-Socialism. There is no investment in Socialism.

>i believe in socialism

Stopped reading there. You deserve it. All of it. You will either have no children or your children will be forced to submit or flee. No sympathy for the likes of you.

Immigration is the #1 issue, if you win on immigration everything else good will follow. Good luck Swede-bro.

>I believe in socialism

>Vänsterpartiet
Vidriga fanskap.

Sounds like you are looking for a Socialism of the Nationalist variety

How are Sweden Democrats going to deport citizen?
loc.gov/law/help/refugee-law/sweden.php
>To become a citizen through naturalization a person must have been a permanent resident of Sweden for four years if he or she is a refugee.

So all you need is to find an apartment, be there for 4 years and you are Swedish citizen. If Sweden was Socialism they would at least demand insurance, native language and papers, since we still demand that and we aren't even in Socialism any longer.

>doesn't has monetary system
iirc some of the bigge catalonia-aragon collectives used labor vouchers
>democratic political party elections for parliament
well catalonia being AN-SN didnt have a parliment but had its own political model
>also no inflation or uneven salaries.
CNTalonia because of the LV had no inflation
>uneven salaries
did have those
L.V were handed out based on hours worked

pretty cool place t b h
would save if having time machine

Vote sd then start worrying about that stuff

>but besides a mutual love of Sweden and Swedish values and traditions, i don't really share their views.

if you dont vote sd, the only thing you will share is bbc

Voting is pointless in monarchy, they should go on the streets and start killing niggers. Sweden is big, has lots of free space, there's really no need to put any of them into white towns.

>be """"""""""""anarcho"""""""""""""" capitalist
>supports voting in current system
id expect it of """""""an"""""" caps t b h

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Vote SD or watch Sweden turn into a caliphate.

you talk about population decline, not a stable population size
if the population neither declines nor grows, the older generation will be replaced at a constant and sustainable rate

>so i'm facing a voting dilemma. I believe in socialism

you're an idiot and you deserve to experience "socialism", problem solved

thing is, what good is education now that almost Everyone in Europe has a bachelor or better, what the fuck is the point of education if there is No work!

Most of you "marxist" nuts don't even know what Real Marxism is, which is supporting the working class however "racist" their views are. Not fucking up the world with immigrants and thus lowering the effect of assembly and the price of labor, but there you have it; The cultural fucking marxists.

If you identify as a "socialist" these days you are either corrupt or an idiot.
And because of you are a Swede then I guess its the latter one.
Almost one third of our Islamic immigration comes through Sweden, where they basically hand out citizenship left and right.

Sweden is getting replaced by niggers, they cost less, are less likely to challenge the capital powers and really international rich people can move anywhere they like, there's no restriction to be in Sweden or even store money in Sweden. Those are just investors, they can go anywhere, but niggers will stay with you, but i think you will migrate too. Stop voting and start killing.

I'm going to form an ancap party. Who is with me?

>Women hate to work, and they are not meant to either.
it happens in Sweden as well
most women complain about being paid less then men in their positions but they fail to take into account that they take many more leave days and sick days, work many hours less, and generally dont perform at the same level as men
also they lack the negotiation skill to actually get a proper pay raise

form an an-com party and fix the place up t b h and kill all the capitalists and social-democrats and liberals fucking things up

>and the party i like the most are vänster partiet

for those who dont know, VP are our communist party here in sweden. what the fuck is wrong with you user? why would you vote for them?

It's a pipe dream but only lone wolves or SMR really sees the problem fully, SD have ekeroths, Paula Beiler and other jews, and is infected at the core. It could turn into something good if SDU wakes up and realizes race is important and how jews are parasites for the most part.
I think voting is somewhat pointless, people either wake up as a whole to the jews plot, or they wont. (((Elections))) can sway sheeps but wont save a country in this age.

Everybody knows what real Socialism is, it's just that dumb Christians like to pretend their capitalistic failures are fault of Communism. If they were so nationalistic as they claim those Christian Jew-comapny employed Neo-Nazis they wouldn't work with foreigners, they wouldn't employ foreigners, problem would solve itself without the need of country or government. Nobody forcing you to breed with niggers or to employ them, so why are those Christian Nazis praying in same church as those Mexicans and niggers? They do not care about nationalism, they will migrate as soon as they are in corner, allow the country to go freedom anywhere.

>not voting center for less taxes.

There are no Communist in Sweden, only Christian monarchy cucks. Stop sucking black dick, stop taking money from foreigners, stop employing niggers, you won't have any problem. We should examine every one of those nationalists where they get their money from and we should examine their companies to see how many Arabs they employ, you would see how full of bullshit they are, probably sponsored by same Jews who sponsor migration.

Vote SD, getting rid of shitskins is priority number one because there won't be a Sweden unless you do.

we're having enough problems with our own politicians all of whom are tied to the EU as is.
It doesn't help that we live next to one of the most backwards "country" or zone in the world.

I love nationalism, it works, it has nothing to do with alienating other nations, but it is all about working together as a society in order to thrive. Nationalism allows for real marxism, but Culture Marxism does not allow for any other form of government to exist.

First you need to make your society mostly homogenous again, then you can implement socialist policies (with nationalistic constraints) again. It's not hard to understand.

capitalism is the reason forced migration exists mate
in order to keep the scheme running u must import more people to keep it running

goes without saying, but its too late for sweden, almost no swedes left in that "country".

rösta på ingen?

>capitalism is the reason forced migration exists matein order to keep the scheme running u must import more people to keep it running

Corruption is the reason why it exist, and all of those assholes on the left Destroyed our 1 chance of liberating Europe, they chose to fuck up the populism because it was "racist".

The "left" destroyed any future possibilities for the working class to achieve something.

>blaming Communism
You know this can go both ways:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats
>Party chairman Jimmie Åkesson
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmie_Åkesson
>He was a member of the Moderate Youth League, the youth wing of the Moderate Party

>picture related Moderate Party

What now faggot?
Not only is this more proof than you imaginary Commies, it's direct proof he was in Moderate Party.

>så vad fan tror du är bättre att rösta på?finns fan inget annat att välja mellan

Stem SD, selv om det er over 4 år for sent.
Sverige fortjener egentlig ikke partiet nå som landet ligger i ruiner, figurativt.

Detta

>"muh corruption"
thats still capitalism mate
and the left u speak of are actually liberals who call themselves "social"-democrats to mislead the working class
and yes "social"-Democrats are capitalists

What the fuck are you on about retard, I'm an Actual Marxist. And I'm also a nationalist, I dont believe in fucking absolutist opinions.
I have no side.
Im against immigration AND corruption!!!

Communism is the opposite of Marxism you idiot. Marx wrote Criticism of communism because he thought it was utopian and unrealistic.
Marxism was corrupted in the 70s to include refugee shilling and feminism, all of which is bullshit, and they dropped working class agenda.


Piss off with your bullshit

>liberals who call themselves "social"-democrats

Yeah if they weren't corrupt and for globalization of labor and immigration and all the other aspect of their neoliberal fucking bullshit!

>Vänster Partiet
>What do?

kys.

Genom att ta in låg-IQ rasfrämlingar från världens alla hörn har vi signerat vårt folks dödsdom, och utan en radikal förändring kommer det inte finnas något samhälle värt att betala in skatt för att upprätthålla eftersom det kommer se ut som valfritt land från mellanöstern om 20-30 år.

Den enda socialism vårt folk kan överleva utifrån är en nationalistisk socialism, men för att nå dit måste vi först ta och rensa upp vårt samhälle. Internering och repatriering!

En röst på SD är tusen gånger bättre än något annat av alternativen i dagsläget, men det är enda bara ett knappt babysteg i rätt riktning.

Communism has nothing to do with utopia, neither Marxism. That's American interpretation of Marxism and Communism. Also they should make up their mind if it's Bolshevism or Marxism. Btw neither Bolsheviks, neither Marxists were in power in Second Polish Republic or Weimar Republic, those republics were run by Roman Catholics and monarchy. So once again in Sweden is similar story, they blame Socialism for monarchy problems. Every one of those leaders came from monarchy background, nothing to do with Russia, Marxism, Communism or Bolshevism.

the only reason you think socialism works is because you had a homogeneous population. Socialism won't work any longer for your country.

You answered your own question user

Social programs won't survive with more immigration (some people even say open borders are a right wing conspiracy to crash social security)

so by voting against immigration you're voting for the social safety net at the same time

you're welcom

i dont know if u are agreeing with me or not?
but i u are supporting the "SOC"-DEMs then just think bout this
who was it who stabbed the spartacists in the back in weimar?
who was it who destroyed one of the greatest examples of revolution in catalonia-aragon?

just food for thought

you think socialist policies are good because you've seen them actually sort of work because a nation of all whites is the only possible way for that not to rapidly go up in flames. yours is no longer an all white nation. base your vote on immigration

problem is the "socialism" that u think of isnt socialism but a more nationalist form of social-democracy which is still capitalism but even that devolves into "muh crone not real capitalism"

if u want a good example of a socialist/communist society look at catalonia during the S.C.W
no taxes
no big gov welfare app
workers/unions control
etc

Socialism is simply that foreigners can't buy land/companies, since the land/companies belong to government and collectives. Of course you can sell products or build elsewhere if other countries allow it.

well depends what brand of socialism/communism u follow
obvious theres the brand u described now
then thei the version that kropotkin and othes proposed

but ehh i get u same general ideas
its more a question of implementation
>marxian view
feudalism>capitalism>socialism>world socialism>communism
>AN-COM/COL/SN view
feudalism>capitslism>>>>>>>>anarchism

essentially marxism is incremental
while the more libertarian schools of though believe in one giant leap to stateless anarchism/communism

Vad fan tror du händer om 100 år när negrerna är 10 miljarder i bara afrika, ska alla få plats i Sverige för att du röstade på 7 klövern? Det finns bara 2 partier i Sverige, SD och 7 klövern och om du inte röstar SD förtjänar du att utplånas tillsammans med alla andra rasförrädare.

Rösta SD

Foreigners can't buy land in North Korea and China, foreigners couldn't buy land in Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Vietnam..etc. Which also means their currencies aren't recognized and Socialism doesn't compares own money with dollar or stocks, it simply exists independently. Should be noted that China has certain islands like Hong Kong, Macau who are open to capitalism.

It's understandable that you are torn.

The political background for this is a giant bag not often ventured into. Communism was supposed to be a global revolution, "Workers Of The World Unite". So all the old style death march commies tended to be internationalists.

Meanwhile, Hitler's welfare state was nationalist.

Basically, organized leftism that embraced orthodox marxism was extremely anti-nationalist, and completely wiped out any nationalist-leftism by continuous association with nazism and whatnot, labelling it as right-wing extremist.

Few ideological battles have been as harsh or bloody as internationalist leftists vs nationalist leftists - I'd even say most leftists today say nationalism is inherently right-wing and there is no such thing as nationalist leftism - even if you want a massive welfare state with high progressive taxes, free education, public healthcare etc. but nationalist, you would be labelled far-right. Leftists have done a complete war of eradication against the very concept of nationalist leftism.

But this is the background. You are caught in this situation. The question is what to do - how do you make a choice?

Here's the important thing: Economic policy can be changed almost over night. At least in just very few years. Big increase in taxes, increase in welfare payments, this is just tweaking some parameters in databases and reality adjusts.

But immigration cannot be reversed in few years, or even many years. There's no going back.

If you vote pro-immigration, you are trapped in hell forever and Sweden dies permanently. If you vote anti-immigration and economic policies go too far against you, it can be changed quite soon and easily.