Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
I don't want to be an ass, but did you seriously just open up a new pro-communism thread on /pol, where the majority of anons are against communism? This thread will only get destroyed, like most communism threads.
Besides that, dialectical materialism has been refuted a lot of times already. I recommend you to read: Immanuel Kant. He actually knew his stuff and had a pretty stable and still one of the modern logical systems out there, until the many philosophing sophists that came afterwards and destroyed everything, including culture, duty, etc. With the rise of postmodernism and dialectical materialism in new shape, our world has been experiencing a degeneracy of an incredibly high rate.
Easton Wright
>This thread will only get destroyed, like most communism threads. Its getting better recently, more people are making points and having discussion rather than screeching autisticly ,though some still can't help do that
John Long
>did you seriously open a thread about a political ideology in a board about politics?
>did you seriously just VIOLATE the safe space of nazis by posting something that doesn't fit their circle-jerk?!?! how dare you!
Go away, capitalist swine, and stop concern trolling. You're not wanted here either. *spit* Now go cry that your safe space was violated.
Jace Smith
Your opinions are dissent, Sup Forums is a right wing dictatorship, go somewhere else if you want a left wing dictatorship.
Brody Cooper
I have wet dreams about the war sometimes.
Parker Morales
>Sup Forums is a right wing dictatorship lmao. some dictatorship when you can't stop communists posting
Jeremiah Lopez
literally no one posts in your threads, without a sage at least
i hope you are a troll but you could channel your energy somewhere else
Alexander Wilson
>literally no one posts in your threads, without a sage at least these generals are always page 1 m8
John King
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Luke Hughes
But it's always autistic spanish poster or the autistic finnish poster, most people have jobs here.
Luke Clark
It's funny that you assume that I am pro-capitalist, while I am neither pro-capitalism nor pro-communism.
See, it's not the problem with communism or capitalism. The problem is 'ideology'. Some might be reasonable people, that are focused on pragmatism, while others are just focused on ideology, like fanatics (capitalism and/or communism), which only ends in death.
That's why communism and capitalism sucks both ass. A combination of both is actually a reasonable solution, similar like it's done
Adrian Phillips
in germany.
Cooper Kelly
>That's why communism and capitalism sucks both ass. Social Democracy then?
Bentley Campbell
Orly? There's no need to work for pay-dirt under the capitalist hegemony.
Carter Reyes
But that is definitely not the solution to 'corruption'. And it will always exist. No matter what ideology you implement in society.
Bentley Reyes
Meant to quote this >A combination of both is actually a reasonable solution
Joseph Mitchell
Hey look, an example of Hitler stealing symbolism from someone great! Guess that's one reason the war ended up like it did. HEHEHEEHE.
Nathaniel Torres
social democracy is capitalism dumbass
Jack Gutierrez
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Jayden Allen
You'll need to work harder under a communist dictatorship, and you won't have a choice where you work.
Owen Kelly
I'll work when there's communism.
And no, wouldn't have to work harder.
Just not gonna work for pay-dirt under porkie, what do I look like, a sheep?
Christian Brown
combination of both is impossible because they are mutually exclusive systems. communism is for worker ownership of the means of production, capitalism is for private ownership of the means of production
Grayson Williams
>social democracy is capitalism Socialist policies within a capitalist society, he was saying about a combination of both
Hunter Garcia
>muh free healthcare
Dad went to a dentist during soviet times when he was a young man. They pulled 2 teeth out just because they "couldn't fix" them.
At least it was free, right?
James Sullivan
Wrong definition, see number 2
Joshua Roberts
the definition provided is that for democratic socialism, not social democracy–also, welfare and healthcare, etc. are not necessarily socialist policies
Logan Cook
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John Perry
You'll certainly look like a sheep when you're sent to the killing fields and terminated like livestock for not working hard enough.
Kevin Watson
see There is sometimes disagreement,some people call democratic socialism social democracy
Brody Butler
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Colton Ramirez
If that would be the case, then I wonder why it works so well in Germany. I don't want to go to the right-wing train here, but just knowing the fact that a lot of refugees choose Germany as their country of choice, is interesting and should be seen from a strategic point of view. Who profits from this?
In fact, Germany has a very good wealth rate, and is a very strong power in the European Union. So, it's no wonder that other countries try to destabilize Germany, by refusing to take any refugees and declining the distribution coefficient that was originally established in the European Parliament (if it would have worked, I guess nationalism would never have risen up, by the way). Why did Germany have to take more refugees than any other country? Because they, the other european countries, boycotted Germany.
From an empirical view, Germany handles this combination pretty well and so it's no wonder that other countries and powers want to see Germany dead.
Jonathan Harris
Whatever. For the sake of argument we will talk about socialist policies within capitalism. The original post by the German was talking about some combination of socialism and capitalism
Nicholas Foster
>tfw nazi doesn't think he'd be exterminated
Thomas Mitchell
>he thinks I'm a jew
Elijah White
>Germany handles this combination pretty well As do the nordic countries
Landon Taylor
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage 4 Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry :DD
Jordan Williams
Looks like you don't know your history.
Nicholas Foster
unironically this desu
fuck communism
Andrew Turner
Just wanted to post. Well done.
Jose Morris
What I'm saying here is that Germany is undoubtedly a social democracy. When I think social democracy, I don't think combination of communism and capitalism–I think capitalism with adequate social programs instated for the welfare of the people.
I agree that social-democratic countries–like Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and the majority of western europe–are usually better off socially than, for example, the US. What I'm arguing is not that the system is bad, but that it is not a combination of two antithetical theories.
Angel Edwards
Gibsmedats if at all only work for ethno states :^)
Colton Kelly
Looks like you don't know yours
Luis Flores
Well those countries all have welfare, universal healthcare, free access to higher education. All policies which would be described as socialist
Carson Brooks
Can't handle that someones better then you? Steal symbolism from another ideology and corrupt it with ethno hate, get your low IQ population to believe you, and just send them to death camps - Nazis who can't handle their problems civilly
no WONDER you guys lost the war *thinking*
Zachary Moore
>chilling in taxi van going to my destination with other folks >foreigner asks driver why public bus that passed by is not in service >driver chuckles
Because it's public.
Jackson Thompson
Will ther be vidya in communism?
Michael Jackson
I love nazi tears, so delicious.
Liam Murphy
Sure why not
Jaxson Collins
As long as the production of said vidyas have no profit motive!
Chase Clark
>low IQ population They're called useful idiots, but at least didn't lose to a speech by Ronald Reagan.
Christopher Richardson
back to your containment site the only thing communists deserve is a bullet to the head
Thomas Reed
I think this is where we differ. I believe that socialism can be summed up very simply–democratic worker control of the means of production. It varies in the implementation, but that is the only thing constant to the system.
You might call public healthcare, free education, etc. socialism, and they are usually implemented in socialist societies, but they are not essential to the system and thus I would not call them "socialist".
Adrian Torres
You'd make a fine candidate for the gulag!
Asher Price
>that it is not a combination of two antithetical theories
Ah, I see your point now. Yes, I guess I can (partly) agree with that. Of course, these systems cannot be 'fully' established. That is why it's is just an 'intersection'. Simply spoken, it takes out a few positive aspects from socialism and a few positive aspects from capitalism. The 'free' market is free in such a way that one can act in the market, but more or less has to follow 'special' rules that are applied to every demander and supplier.
Basically, the social state agitates as the corrective to the free enterprise economy (= free market). This intersection is also known as "Social market economy" (germ: Soziale Marktwirtschaft). On a spectrum (where the right side of the X axis would be free market and the left side would be planned economy), you could definitely see Social market economy taking place in the middle on the X axis.
Logan Torres
Nope, private companies thrive off competition with eachother, everything will be state owned by people who have no interest in video games and will probably just use it to spread government propaganda, say goodbye to nintendo.
Andrew Ortiz
Just remember who won the war!
Landon Myers
Well okay fair enough. What are you in support of by the way?
Jaxon Flores
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Ayden Cook
the cold war? I'll give you a point for subversion of cultural marxist academia but they'll lose themselves in irrelevance soon
>all non commies are caps. Shut your mouth you red cunt
Brandon Baker
I bet Nazi heads made great wall decorations in the gulag.
Hudson Price
Traitors get the ice pick.
Ryder Sullivan
Its neither, since there are class limits with progressive taxation, minor nationalization, heavy gibz. honestly both capitalism and socialism are vague as fuck terms that should be forgotten.
Adrian Thompson
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage 4 Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry :D
Camden Hernandez
like any socialists or communists he got what was coming to him
Bentley Lewis
No, socialism is the worker ownership of the means of production. Communism is the worker ownership of all goods IE total collectivization.
Nathaniel Murphy
>Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
Fortunately communism has already failed in Europe. Never again.
Aiden Carter
Traitors get le ice pick.
Nolan Sanchez
The dox of Anon5 was a confirmed false flag.
James Davis
>nazi women will always be fiction and LARPing, while commie women were actually real lmao
Luke Walker
His people won the war for your jewish ideology.
Asher Jenkins
kill yourselves before you make us do it for you
Justin Gonzalez
>anarcho stalinism kek. Socialism = Good GOMMUNISM = total shit
Lucas Kelly
L A R P E R
Andrew Ross
I agree with your concepts, but don't feel that this trend is necessarily the best way to go. Human greed, income inequality, tax inequality, disproportional income / job opportunities for no / low achievers are definitely putting Capitalism to the test.
Cooper Brown
So you are saying the gommienism and socialism are the same thing Holy shit you are dumb pedro
Nicholas Ward
What is your picture implying? Are you saying communists liked Hilary?
Jose Hernandez
I am a libertarian conservative socialist This shitty flag is the closest i can use.
Isaiah Nguyen
>I'M A LIBERTARIAN CONSERVATIVE SOCIALIST
AHAHahahAHAhahHahahHahahHAhah
go SUCK the tite of nestle, lockheed martin, coca cola, and your capitalist swine politicians, larpy mcgoo!
Christopher Cook
>libertarian conservative socialist What a random assortment of ideologies
Nolan Nguyen
as i see it, communism is just worker ownership of the means coupled with a stateless, moneyless, classless society, not worker ownership of all goods
Brayden Sullivan
>IF YOU ARE LEFT OF STALIN YOU ARE A CAPITALIST PIG REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Lib soc is real and is certanily better than your shitty state enforced famine.
Nolan Morales
>inb4 you don't want to abolish hierarchies
Ayden Long
Pretty much. IE a system that can never work as it lacks any motivation/order
Daniel Cooper
post political compass and 8 values, ashol
Colton Perez
>libertarian socialist
hehehehe the retards have sure came out today
Jackson Thomas
>it's an ancap puts on an anarchist flag episode
Robert Jackson
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Liam Clark
Sage
Grayson Ross
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