Minimum wage?

Minimum wage?

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Free market will correct that

Liberals are so stupid with their fight for $15 bullshit. A $15 min wage makes sense if you're in a rich global city but not if you're in some small town or even a medium sized city. If anyone here has worked at a small business they know that they typically run on razor thin margins.

Min wage should ideally be tied to something like 1/2 of regional median income or rent but because of Bernie's absolutism we have to go full retard populist.

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If you can't afford to pay your employees a living wage, maybe you're not a very good businessman.

Who defines what a living wage is? Teenagers taking orders 12 hours a week at clown burger live very comfortably.

Rent on a single bedroom apartment is $400 more on average in California then Flag Staff

Ummmm bro. Medium income is 60K a year, if it was 1/2 it would be 30K a year at 20 an hour.

Why assume liberals don't want to close down small businesses?

doubling payroll costs overnight is going to cause issues for small guys while big corporations will still be able to operate

enjoy paying $30 for a pizza at your local joint.
don't forget to tip :^)

If you can't afford a paltry $12 per employee an hour then you don't deserve to be in business.
That's not even that much money; I'm making more for my employer working a single 7 hour shift a day.

That's the whole Point of Agenda 21, and the collectivist that push it

If your company is so small that you run on razor thin margins and have min wage employees, you're fucking up. Either you need to not have those employees (do it yourself) or you are taking too much money out of the company.

Protip: 20 an hour is 40k a year

My living wage is 140k/yr and my GED is focused on drama and 2d animations. I'm a 19 year old go getter. Will you higher me?

>raising prices so you don't cut into your profits
Don't forget to clean up when you close down permanently

Are liberals capable of thinking long term?
Or of long term consequences?
Can anyone tell me how this isn't just going to end with prices inflating wherever minimum rage is raised?

>Are liberals capable of thinking long term?

I think the fact that every single idea they have ends up hurting the very people they're trying to help even more than doing nothing speaks for itself.

Don't be retarded.
Living wage pays for the mode 1bdrm apartment + a few hundred dollars for food, utilities and a car if needed in your area.

>Free market will correct that
Minimum wage is a regulation that creates monopolies. There will be no correction. Corrections come from competition.

Yeah Im sure things like Obamacare mandates have nothing to do with anything

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I've learned a long time ago to just observe and adapt. The world is constantly changing, it will never stop changing, don't stop the change user, adapt to it and work with the current.

Walmart can afford it but they would rather keep their employees on welfare so other people pay half the wage. Socialism at its best. Meanwhile the minimum wage increase forces Walmart competition out of business.

>12 hours a week
Living at home, maybe.
12 hours a week is less than autism bucks which aren't even enough to get by without other forms of subsidy.

No. Get a bunkbed, and rent share with other losers who microwave mcmuffins for a living... or have your parents support you. Maybe kill yourself? The world doesn't need what you're selling and you don't have a right to live.

Why don't we just increase the minimum wage to $1,000,000 so everyone can be rich?

>strawman
Why don't you just kill yourself so I don't have to reply?

CA deserves to fall into the abyss and everyone in it, including me, deserves to die a horrible death.

I said don't be retarded.
You're better off in China where people live like that.

Not in my neighbourhood, plus in order to live I need several medical treatments regularly. I'm a postgender queer neutral trans male, trans racial, handicapped POC. If you're telling me that the wage I need to live should not support the life that I have then you're a biggot and you're argument is weak.

living wage shouldn't pay for a one bedroom apartment. It should be the minimum required to stay alive. These standard of living requirements are retarded as well.

You can fit 4-5 people easy into a 3 bdrm home and each only pay 200-300~ a month, no car payment because you bought one with cash for $1k but insurance ~$45, food bill 150-200~ month... You really don't need a lot to live. You need a bit more to live comfortably however, and that's what you faggots are stuck on. If you want to be comfortable and have a nicer standard of living, maybe you should contribute more than just flipping burgers, dumping fries into a fryer, or stocking shelves at walmart. But noooo, it's muh employers fault for not giving me more! I need more, I wanna be comfy too, but fuck doing anything for it! Bunch of lazy faggots. The only thing that helps me sleep at night is knowing that this world corrects all of the bullshit at the end of the day. No matter how much you "feel" like you need more, or "feel" like you should have more, you never will unless you fucking make it happen.

I did say teenagers. Those drive through jobs were designed for polite young white kids who want to buy beatles records, not rude middle age niggers who think they deserve a 5 bed colonial for fucking up my order.

there is no free market if there's a minimum wage

Or just get rid of minimum wage laws. It makes no sense to have them.

>I said don't be retarded.

can't even formulate an argument to some very valid points. You're just a fucking lazy pathetic faggot who wants everything handed to him and to be comfy womfy without having to get his hands a bit dirty. I bet you didn't get off the tit till you were 4-5.

Welcome to McDonalds may I take your order?

Bad businessmen always have excuse after excuse

You need to raise the minimum wage to adjust for inflation, not sit on you ass for 25 years acting like inflation isn't happening.

That being said, you can curb raising the minimum wage by reducing the workweek hours.

If we want to combat automation, we'll need lower the workweek to 30-35 hours and raise the minimum wage.

Maybe poor people should move to where the work is like they have had to for millennia

He's right though.
Why don't they?

>t. 19 year old self proclaimed communist who has never seen how a business works

But then Wyte Ppl will be paying Juan $.25 an hour and Carl $3.50 an hour and Lenny $10 an hour

Nobody is held accountable.

Thanks for the business advice user. I think your break is over, and customers are waiting for their coffee.

No one is checking your trips of truth so have a (You)

My grandparents raised a 16 child family in a 700 sq ft 3 bedroom home.

Obviously a ridiculous example, but it goes to show that you don't need the metric shitload of square footage and amenities we're used to in order to survive.

>I did say teenagers
Then why are you bringing up a living wage? Parents are responsible for the kid's living costs if they're not shit.
And the job wasn't designed for teens inasmuch as it was designed for no-skill or low-skill workers.

>Why don't we nuke every country we're at war with?
Because extremes are retarded and unrealistic.

The sooner they automate the work force, the sooner we start getting UBI checks.

>you will never live in a free market

this i don't go to fastfood places if i see niggers working. guaranteed they smell like pickles 7 days a week.

i only go to in n out or chick fil a everything else I've been too i saw 1 too many nigras

Commies always ignore the hidden cost of doing business
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That's retarded. You adjust for inflation by investing the money that you're earning. I, as an employer, should not have to ensure that your pay is keeping up with inflation. You as an employee, as a human being, having to ensure that you are making enough to live. Get another fucking job, or better yet save your money that you're getting now and invest it! It'll beat inflation! WOAH! Workers are retarded and don't save/invest/work with any of the money that they make, then they demand that the people who do support them or make their life easier. You're a fucking retard who can't think past your next car and rent payment and have only yourself to blame.

Why combat automation? It'll free up a lot of time for people to contribute more to society. You'd rather have people working 30-40 hours a week instead of having it be automated? I'm sure that person is more than capable of adapting to an emerging market and find another way to earn subsistence, and if not then why again is it my problem that you're a failure to adjust?

But why don't we nuke countries we are at war with?
We lose our own forces by not doing this.

>why are you bringing up a living wage

Some faggot was saying all jobs should pay a living wage. I contend that many jobs are not now, nor ever, intended to do that. Some jobs are second jobs, hobbies, supplemental incomes, or kids jobs.

30 year old paper boys can neck themselves if they thought it was their ticket to more than the barest survival.

>no skill or low skill workers

then why should we be paying them the equivalent of skilled workers and laborers? They don't deserve an increase in wage as they don't increase anything themselves, they merely are an ant at that point.

And how exactly would that combat automation? Let's be just pretend for a moment that the automation meme is real and not just (((scare tactics))), how would lowering hours and raising wages do anything but push the inevitable further into the future.

Sad part is people will say that were edgy but honestly LA is a cancer that is festering and causing the rest of the country to stink.
>END US

Im on your team brosef.

Is that an okonomyaki bot?

And that map looks about right for what we need to do.

My bad. Thougt that (you) was at me. Disregard

UBI is not good.

It's a mechanism for social control and maintaining the existence of the state beyond its usefulness.

>including me
had a chuckle at this

>That's retarded. You adjust for inflation by investing the money that you're earning.
Do you know what inflation is?

Why don't they just raise prices?

This post sums up the logic behind fight for 15

You capitalist fat cat! I should be able to work ONE job. Or better yet NO JOB when you greedy bastard corporations actually begin to pay taxes! Better idea why don't we nationalize all corporations so that the people are in control and directly profit from the work done there? Then finally there will be justice and wealth for all workers.

>b-b-but if I didn't deliver the papers than the newspaper wouldn't get read and the newspaper wouldn't have anymore subscribers and the newspaper would go out of business
>I'm important too!
>If not for me the whole thing would fall apart!
>I should get.. no.. I deserve! 30k/yr at least, and.. uhh... stock options!
>Yeah!
>They have to.. they don't realize how important I am, who else will wake up at 4am and chuck newspapers for 2 hours?
>I'm tellin ya, they don't appreciate me, and it's about damn time they do!

>I need burger king to pay me $15/hour so I can afford basic necessities such as...
>muh 4G smartphone service
>muh cable TV and home internet
>muh netflix
>muh iPad, Macbook, 65" 4K HDTV, and a new iPhone every year
>repair costs for all that because my cat keeps scratching the screens
>muh $40 blurays of movies and cartoons I will only watch once or twice
>muh $60 vidya games I will only play for ~10 hours plus tip for DLC
>muh Xbox Live subscription
>muh microtransactions in phone games
>muh overpriced faggy haircuts
>muh $25,000 car to drive half a mile to work every day
>muh $500 nigger sneakers
>muh overpriced decorative hipster furniture/clothing
>muh piercings and tattoos
>muh numale toys/anime figurines
>a guacamole machine that connects to muh smartphone
>muh starbucks every morning
>muh fast food every day
>and I need to donate at least 10% of my income to the patreons and kickstarters of my favorite twitter social justice activists and furry porn artists

it's shitlords like you with your 'i've got mine, now you get yours' mentality that need to neck yourselves.

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>Why combat automation? It'll free up a lot of time for people to contribute more to society.
And again, you still show you have no clue how to read or what you are talking about.

Do you know why the "40 hour workweek" was invented? It doesn't seem like you do.

If minimum wage had kept up with inflation and followed the original formula it was derive from, it would be no more than $12.70 an hour. $15.00/hr is too much.

>Some faggot was saying all jobs should pay a living wage
They should. How that living wage is calculated is another story.

Why is the answer that we're paying low-skill workers too much and not that we're paying skilled workers too little?

>It's a mechanism for social control and maintaining the existence of the state beyond its usefulness.
The "State" will always exist in some form or another long after we're both dead and forgotten. It's time to stop being a fag about it.

>And that map looks about right for what we need to do.
They eliminate Property rights, and personal vehicles to achieve that map. You will live in a Zone, and will need permission to leave said zone.

kek

Yes, do you know what investing is?

oh no, how will i ever compete with inflation..

>:^)

>muh interest
found the jew

a 3 eye Raven EYE CEE

>It's shitlords like you with your 'You've got yours, now give me mine" mentality that need to neck yourselves.

fixt

>not a nigger
>clean
>friendly
>efficient
>won't spit on my food because "fuk da whitey"

I'd like a double patty cheese burger with bacon and the works; no onions, please; light on the mayo.

>strawman
Seriously, if it's such an easily defensible topic why do we see so many of these?

never gonna happen, labor moves and you clean up for the robot, you do it yourself instead, or you just get cut out of the economy and arent able to afford robot services once they price you out of them.

Two restaurants in my downtown closed thanks to the NY "progressive" wage movement. Upstate NY gets fucked by the liberal degenerates in the city.

>true facts are strawmen
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this is a list of basic necessities. are you arguing that people should not be able to afford or have acccess to internets? that they should be deprived of hobbies or relaxing playing games? that they should not be able to afford quality clothing? and what is wrong with supporting people on patreon or twitch for their content creation, they do not get paid otherwise.

you are the problem. no one should be forced to live without any of that. do you want everyone wearing rags and burlap sacks and walking around barefoot? what the fuck is wrong with you?

>The "State" will always exist in some form or another long after we're both dead

Correct, but federal level or state level?

>UBI checks

Pic related is what UBI leads to

>Do you even?!!
>No you don't
>so there!

You're a faggot who can't form a valid point or argument. What does the origin of the 40 hour work week and the fact that people used to work 100+ hour weeks have to do with were labor and work is headed? If anything it goes to show that the labor put in each week is declining, making an even stronger case for automation.

You're an idiot.

If your argument lacks any common sense, then don't expect serious discussion to happen

Wait I live 2 hours away from Flagstaff in FH and its still only 10 dollars

Inflation=money has less buying power. It can effect investments...

When I moved to Austin 3 years ago, I made $9.25 an hour and it paid my rent, groceries and all my bills without assistance. Didn't have any fun money, but definitely a livable wage.

>true facts
>anecdotal evidence of faggotry from a non-existent person portrayed in such a way that just so happens to defend my view of the argument

Please kill self.

This nigga is honorary Australia tier.

Incidentally, I'm a business owner and I don't dress much better that that.

>Why is the answer that we're paying low-skill workers too much and not that we're paying skilled workers too little?

because the low skill workers wage is government mandated upon us whereas the skilled workers wage is a mutually agreed upon wage that flows into the free market ideal very nicely. How do you not see that?

Kek. What are the limits of minimum wage? The fact is that there is no realistic test for this because the whole policy is farcical.

>>anecdotal evidence of faggotry from a non-existent person portrayed in such a way that just so happens to defend my view of the argument
>poorfags having bad finances are anecdotal
good try libtard

>And how exactly would that combat automation? Let's be just pretend for a moment that the automation meme is real and not just (((scare tactics))), how would lowering hours and raising wages do anything but push the inevitable further into the future.
During the labor rights movement in America (that they don't teach about in schools) concepts like a minimum wage, the 40 hour workweek and weekends were invented. Why?

Lets say you have "worker #1" that an employer is working to death for 80 hours a week. And you have another "worker #2" that is unemployed, miserable and not earning any money. If you enact a 40 hour workweek limit, the employer still needs labor to cover the 80 hours he needs. He now employs both "worker #1" and "worker #2" at 40 hours each. Yes "Worker #1" takes a hit in wages, so you create a minimum wage as a floor so he can't be under-valued for his labor. "Worker #1" now isn't being worked to death and "worker #2" has a job and an income too. They both have weekends to rest and time to spend with their families.

How does this work with automation? If you have 3 "workers" at 40 hours and one job gets automated, but the factory still needs 80 hours of labor time, you lower the workweek to 26 hours so everyone keeps a job and slightly raise the minimum wage to compensate. This is an exaggerated example but it works in large scales when you have hundreds of thousands of jobs automated and tens of millions of workers total.

>Better idea why don't we nationalize all corporations so that the people are in control and directly profit from the work done there?
North Korea called. They want their idea back.

it has to do with inflation, which if we didn't have our current monetary system wouldn't even be an issue. It's a Jew system, gotta Jew the Jew sometimes unless you wanna stay working for them 40 hours a week.