Reminder that every point raised by this man can be countered by a social explanation

Reminder that every point raised by this man can be countered by a social explanation.

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reminder that society and biology exist in tandem and nowhere in his arguments does he deny this like the opposition seems to deny the role of biology.

No, but he over emphasises it.

Then why google fired him?

gtfo roastie

Muh sexism

Because of the shitshow he caused for the company.

Kys genetic excrement

you mean he's the one who leaked it to the press and outed himself? he didn't cause the controversy. little histrionic twats like you did.

get out of my fucking country

>saged

>every point raised by this man can be countered by a social explanation.
Go on then. Counter each of his points.

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>watches Jordan Peterson once

Damorewitz how is this not obvious

>being this defensive
fuck off libtard

Someone post a basic summery of what he claimed please

Why do you liberals hate this guy so much? You wouldn't happen to be antisemitic, would you?

Reminder that social explanations are extremely unlikely given the worldwide differences in test results for men and women, and that we are going by what is most likely, not what is theoretically possible.

Anyone can argue any side about any topic. This isn't debate class, it's about coming to a common understanding towards a common goal.
Every one loves to tear things down, but very few of you know how to build anything.

the Left's answer to Truth is silence. The term "Blacklisting" is making a comeback since the days of McCarthyism.

kek becoming the face of sexism in silicon valley when you look like a kissless virg

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So what did he do? Write a memo and pass it around his co-workers?

>men dindu nuffin, it's all society that biases judges and juries against us
>it's not because we're more prone to violence and risk-taking, thus more likely to commit crime
>we need 50-50 male-female ratios in prisons now!

And every social explanation can be countered by a biological one.

The biological arguments are far stronger, particularly when they reveal so many similarities between humans and other mammals.

Why do liberals hate science so much ?

You don't get to keep your token nigger ?

I need 1 bit coin for that service

I'm a socialist, sorry user

the Norwegian Equality Paradox

youtube.com/watch?v=cVaTc15plVs&t=2s

He didn't even do anything that threatening. He wrote a memo and sent it to a department which was supposed to be exactly for that kind of thing. Turned out it was a honeypot, because they leaked it.

It doesn't matter anymore whether he was right, or whether there are other explanations for the issues he raised. Google's response proved his point better than his memo ever could.

Here's a piece that goes into both sides in detail, with backup:

slatestarcodex.com/2017/08/07/contra-grant-on-exaggerated-differences/

>Why do liberals hate science so much ?
most scientists, the good ones at least, are liberal

To look at it another way though, google is also currently in the process of being sued. The fact that he wrote this in his capacity as a google employee and included googles name is damaging googles reputation and causing a lot of trouble for google right now

>Thinks his EMPLOYER is "silencing" him because of his views
>Blames the actions of his PEERS on his EMPLOYER
>Implies he is entitled to work for the company even if he causes drama
>doesn't cite any event where he was descriminated against for his views, only cites "muh feelings"
>he agreed to work for this specific company in the first place, and agreed to their terms of workplace etiquette

>business begins on the edge of technology/market
>only the best and brightest can work there
>as business becomes more regular, work performance matters less
>SJW, multiculturalists, leftists, those with nothing to offer the core business, begin infiltrating the ranks
>natural process, but taken advantage of by those with ideologies
>diversity programs, gender norming, selective promotions, recruiting for certain people
>hire Diversity Manager, always a non-white-male
>none of this matters because the business does not create new technologies or break new markets
>plateau
>market normalizes and stabilizes, now business becomes just another Diversity Showcase
>best and brightest lag reality, too focused on codes
>eventually they look elsewhere
>Bleeding-edge business is not just another cubicle farm
>climb corporate ladder, go to meaningless social events like TGIF, play ping-pong, have a beer
>exact same thing as golfing on Saturdays with The Boss
We've all the seen the process, anons.

>social explanation
>social relativity
hello commie :)

The breach gets lowered when you get to the hard sciences.

>*now just another cubicle farm

Bad PR, duh

Gotta love how his opinion was referred to as a "manifesto" from the start, trying to lump the guy in with the likes of Kaczynski, Breivik, and other mass murderers.

Yup, no bias there whatsoever folks.

>tfw I wrote 'google' way too much

>Reminder that every point raised by this man can be countered by a social explanation.

Because Google is evil?

Because Google and Silicon Valley is not a new market anymore.
>several corporations under investigation for violating Diversity edicts
It's Gamergate

>right wingers complaining about a private company being allowed to do what it wants

Google has been in cahoots with the gubment for a long time now

>Next, Grant claims that there are no sex differences in mathematical ability, and also that the sex differences in mathematical ability are culturally determined. I’m not really sure what he means, but I agree with his first argument – at the levels we’re looking at, there’s no gender difference in math ability.

kek, men literally invented math and were the only ones to make use of it. this fact alone proves his opinions are shallow and hes a cuck

You dont have free speech at your job if you work at a corporation. Do you think your boss would let you practice your 2A rights at work? Of course not. Being fired isnt a violation of your rights either. the bill of rights does not protect you against private institututions, only the government.

I'm gonna just say, yes Google has to follow the prevailing ideology for its own sake, but it's done it too much, internally:

archive.fo/Ev88c

AB: have there been any stand-out moments of intolerance at the company that you recall?
Emmett: Too many to recall all. Here are a few:

1/2
I remember engineering manager Adam Fletcher bragging about how (a) he’ll never work with people like me (which he refers to as “hostile voices”), and (b) how people like me were being blacklisted *outside of Google* (I assume because he and others like him were using gossip to coordinate industry-wide blacklists). Note that Adam’s position is widely-shared instead of reprimanded by management. Paul Cowan (of #GoogleManifesto infamy) also got away with posting comments in support of that.

So have all the oil companies, all the agricultural companies, all the travel companies etc.

2/3 (goddam it)
I remember Colm Buckley (of #GoogleManifesto infamy) dismissing a well-written post by a colleague of mine, with the single sentence “Isn’t it nice to be white.” I also remember him being condescending to an employee who posted an innocuous message of skepticism about social justice. I should note that the employee Colm condescended to was eventually forced out of the company. I remember the freespeech@ shitshow. If I am piecing events together correctly, I believe this is where the illegal yet persistent belief about it being okay to create and share professional blocklists originated. The author of the freespeech@ list left the company.

I remember Kim Burchett (high-ranking manager with a lot of reports) posting about how she’s “considering creating a list of people who make diversity difficult”. Two things you should know about her (okay, there’s tons, but two that stand out). First is commentary she posted on promotion committees, where she literally boos men and white people. Second is that, once upon a time, she had this epic Freudian slip, in which she accidentally wrote that terms like “diversity” and “unconscious bias” are actually stand-ins for “prejudice” and “white supremacist patriarchy”. Interesting, eh?

I remember Peter Goett entirely unironically posting a reply to a list with over 10,000 Googlers: “congratulations on your white penis.” To my understanding, had someone posted “black vagina”, that person would have been summarily fired. Also to my understanding, Goett appears to have received no punishment.

3/3

Of course, there’s Alon Altman (again of #GoogleManifesto infamy). This is the individual who publicly posted that, if the author of the Google Memo wasn’t summarily fired, then he would quit. Alon is one of the many people who gloated about the departure of one of the dissidents at Google. When people recriminated him about his gloating, Alon doubled down.

To my understanding, none of these activities were subject to H.R. action. But why would that be the case — bias in support of these discriminatory and hostile behaviors goes pretty much all the way up, management’s just clever enough not to add to the fire (often) but just to let the lower ranks make it happen. You have to remember these people are quite intelligent.

Don't forget, more at:

archive.fo/Ev88c#selection-365.0-416.0

He mentions someone getting hit in one instance.

>the bill of rights does not protect you against private institututions, only the government.

Unless you're a private business refusing to bake some fags a cake, of course.

Liberals are beyond hypocritical when it comes to issues like this.

Modern Party of Marie Antoinette

You didn't read the memo, did you?

And how do you know that not trying to /force/ equality of outcome, ie being laissez faire, working with nature instead of against it, isn't a smarter path than pushing a boulder uphill?

except he never demonstrated an intetion to take this outside goolag, its the snowflakes that got so triggered it shook the foundations of the internet.

If they didnt act like thin skinne pussies, we wouldnt even hear about this

But the company has a policy of open ideas. An employee complains and offers constructive criticism to make things more fair in meetings and he gets fired for it?

What about all those employees who leaked the internal conversations at Google? They go unpunished?

I think that we need to start a movement to try and get Google to door their entire adsense department for perpetuating gender stereotypes.

I'm not a liberal
That bakery had every right to not bake that cake. But it wasnt an employee defecting from the employers standard, it was the employer/owner that made that choice. Its a false equivalency. The media also (technically) has a right to gaslight and publicly shame that business. Welcome to the free market.

nice flag, loser

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He didn't leak it to the public, offended retards did.

you left out part of the statistic. Women make 0.77 for each dollar a man makes, DOING THE SAME JOB.

This guy was a self-stated Classic liberal Libertarian
What pol is not considering is that Silicon Valley h as been a bastion of conservativism for decades, right in the heart of hyper-liberal northern ca.
They had successfully staved off the Liberal assault all the time.
As long as they printed money, Sacramento and DC left them alone
>diversity initiatives and lawsuits start
It's over now, and this guy was in some way the sacrificial lamb on some Play that the Tech Industry is making to either shake off the Ticks or relocate
>what is their end game?

Bait

Wrong.

That was their 1A right. You can give any info to the press that you please. THAT is how the 1st ammendment works

The company is the one fostering their own environment. If it wasn't a progressive Marxist breeding ground, then Damore wouldn't have had to write his manifesto.

Men and women are not the same on average.

>one of the biggest private companies in the world
>marxist

hmmm

So why would anyone ever hire men in that case? If women were paid less, nobody would hire men.

The social sciences are being over-emphasized. There is a shit ton of research and studies that have been done to show how strong the biological implications are between genders. Most of the social implications are vastly over-emphasized and can be manipulated quite easily whereas biological cannot.

Your own ignorance and bias isn't an excuse to not understand the reality of the situation. Nearly everything in the document is accurate and backed up by very good science, studies, etc. You have it backwards you stupid nigger.

No, they aren't. Social explanations are the catch all scapegoat liberals use to try to excuse every failing of women in politics, the work place, and the economy. And that's why they need to brainwash everyone, force female quotas, and push women into men's sports, because what they are opposed to is reality and fact. Just like with race, the moment any differences are admitted, the floodgates open, so they blindfold themselves and violently lash out at anyone who threatens their fabricated worldview.

Which is not the point, the point is that they are saying HE leaked it when he didn't. He kept it within the company, others leaking it is them giving google potential bad publicity. Their right to leak it is irrelevant to the point I'm refuting.

>DOING THE SAME JOB

Bzzt, wrong

Former and current google employees have literally stated that Google actively tries to suppress anti-socialist ideas.

Newfag

Whatever googles idea of socialism is ≠ marxism

How socialist could one of the biggest companies in the world really be?

Yes these same statistics that use skewed data such as a law firm that compares the male lawyers vs female lawyers, female secretaries, female receptionists.

We all know a female lawyer, secretary, receptionist is a fair comparison of wage vs a male lawyer working at the same firm.... retard

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>can be countered by a social explanation
You mean a baseless anecdote?

OP is acknowledging that his points have merit but with compounding factors.

This is a win. The leftist ideology is cracking. OP would not have posted this a year ago.

>Society

>Everything this person said can be countered by some shit I made up to support my narrative and tug at heartstrings, but actually has no basis in factual reality
Yes, we're familiar with your tactics. What's your point?

Show me proof.

The shit show was their illegal diversity hire program, and giving over control of corporate culture to blue haired communists who hate their dads

Silicon valley is 90% male run

To be clear, Google has a private channel for discussing ideas amongst employees. This guy's manifesto was NOT intended to be read by the public, and was in fact submitted to the SKEPTICS group within Google so that they could attempt to refute it.

Instead, they gave it to media so he would be publicly shamed, doxxed, and fired

Google is going to court next month over these issues. They're getting shit from both sides. Management is a spineless indian guy

And?

>Silicon valley is 90% male run

Good. It should be 100% you faggot

kind of like how the black crime rate can be countered by any explanation except the globally high crime rate being tied to biology

>control of corporate culture to blue haired communists who hate their dads
I assumed he was talking about the stereotypical SJW female

Of course they can. They can be countered by a magical one too (i.e., magical influences account for the inequalities). It's just that the magical and social explanations aren't true and the biological one is.

Most jews could kill to have such a hooked nose.

Sex Differences in Personality Traits and Gender-Related Occupational Preferences across 53 Nations: Testing Evolutionary and Social-Environmental Theories

“Despite the ambiguities inherent in cross-cultural evidence on psychological sex differences, many recent findings nonetheless run counter to the predictions that follow most directly from social role and gender socialization theories, e.g., that stronger gender roles will be associated with larger sex differences, across culture.
Instead, empirical evidence shows that many sex differences (e.g., in values, emotions, and many personality traits; for some kinds of mate preferences) are weaker in societies with strong gender roles and stronger in societies with weak gender roles (Guimond et al.,2007).”

“Costa et al. found that larger sex differences in personality were associated with weaker gender roles and with nations’ modernity, across nations. These findings have recently been replicated in a large-scale study of sex differences in Big Five personality traits across 55 nations surveyed as part of the International Sexuality Description Project (Schmitt et al., 2008).”
Two main findings—(1) that men’s and women’s mean personality levels (with the exception of neuroticism levels) tended not to be associated with gender equality, and (2) that sex differences in personality (with the weak exception of sex differences in agreeableness) tended not by moderated by gender equality—argued against social structural accounts of sex differences in personality.”

Reminder that every "social explanation" comes without any proof and are just opinions by neo-marxists professors.

Those blue haired commies tend to want to control thought and policy and use the threat of public outrage to enforce their viewpoint. It isn't necessarily a visual description, although it could be, but more of an attitude description. Including 'blue haired commie' men. Although virtually everything of worth is done by men in Silicon Valley the leftist to far leftist pc culture is predominantely enforced by women and mentally ill men.

This

>look at this based jew
Sage

no