So if North Korea launches weapons at Guam, and the USA launches weapons at North Korea, realistically speaking...

So if North Korea launches weapons at Guam, and the USA launches weapons at North Korea, realistically speaking, what is China's first move?
What is Russia's first move?

Nobody's even considering this?

Vocally side with the US or just cry for peace, while secretly aiding the Koreans

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>this is the only true answer

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You're probably correct. I was concerned about a more aggressive response.

no clue, that's the big unknown. if america knew for certain that Russia and China would not be involved. Then it would be reasonable to assume that the USA would have invaded long ago before NK had nukes. so from that we can infer that the USA is not certain about Russia and China's resolve with NK.

China doesn't give a shit, Russia doesn't give a shit.

Russia will probably hand out NBC equipment to civilians in primorsk because it's upwind of NK and deploy soldiers to their border for handling migrants.

Chinese will do the same, except probably occupy and possibly join in on the invasion after it's underway so they have a say in post-war Korean reconstruction.

Chinese probably will then fund a political party that's social nationalist and anti-Japanese and anti-US that will pander to Norks and they've have a grasp on Korean internal politics and business as well through positive relations with Norks within a unified Korea.

>Chinese funded Nork manned political party that will be the primary opposition party in Korean politics
>Chinese funded Nork manned Chaebols

The Nork populace will force Korea to develop friendly relations with China. That's their goal there. They aren't going to actually help Kim at all and they probably hope for their downfall and that they take Japan and ROK out with them so they have supremacy in the area.

What if the USA strikes first? Different reactions?

China pushes in from the North, deposes the Korean leadership and installs puppet leaders and sues for peace

it's likely the only way to maintain their buffer while not being swarmed with North Korean refugees

China would immediately move to despose NK before it escalated further.

They are already at odds with NK, and if they let the US and NK go to war they would lose their precious little buffer zone. Right now, the US has absolutely no land connections with China. NK is their closest chance

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Do literally nothing while America bogs itself down in yet another expensive war

Both Russia and China know the best way to deal with the USA is not through direct confrontation, but through attrition.

Russia will make some smartass comments at the UN, pretend to be neutral and acting as a disinterested mediator, know NK will probably lose but still drain Kim dry selling him anti-aircraft tech on the sly at inflated prices.

Cold War II, much better outcome than WW3

There's a war going on?

Strikes first, how?

Because if you mean 'strike first with a nuke', then that's not happening, because nobody in the Pentagon will ever allow that to happen as doing so would let a far worse genie out of the bottle than nukes themselves. If the USA did it, then so might Russia or China - not necessary against the US, but against Taiwan or Ukraine or India or whatever. It's the reason why nukes have never been used since WW2, because nobody wants to be the one to set the precedent for their regular usage in wars to come.

If it's a conventional first strike, then see

China's too busy with their looming turf war with India to directly support Korea

In the event China and Russia want a piece...we have South Korea and Japan, (who is itching to pop China) as our back-up.

>if North Korea launches weapons

Nuke HK and Twn.

China and Russia would most likely just send troops to the NK border to prevent refugees from entering their countries. Intervention is unlikely for either country due to there be little gain. Especially with China since sending in troops and occupying Korea would spark political outcry in East Asia since South Korea would want reunification for the North and other countries using it as an example of China being an Imperialist that must be resisted and would likely lead to them allying with the US. Not to mention they would have to somewhat restore the country and probably face resistance from a confused and angry population which would just drain troops and resources, especially at a time where tensions with India are rising. China would most likely just watch as events unfolded and see if reconstruction of NK under SK would be worth investing due to potential resources that lay untapped in NK.