Who Was the Son of God?

Who exactly was Jesus Christ? Was he a physical mortal that had a direct connection to God? Was he actually God that came in the flesh? Was Jesus some sort of demigod? Many other Christians have their own interpretations on this subject and I'd like to know if any Sup Forumsacks have their own.

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He was a hot bearded dark skinned twink. Absolute cock slave

jesus christ is the Word made flesh.

He was both man AND god. He wasn't half man and god, wasn't a god who looked like a person, and wasn't a man who had close connection with god.

I had a priest as a teacher freshman year who would scream 'heresy' if you said any of those things.

>Was he actually God that came in the flesh?
Yes

>Jesus was born of an Aryan priest and a Jewish woman, so while according to Jewish tradition Jesus was a Jew, he was also an Aryan.
While Scripture claims Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit, it is far more likely Jesus was born of a Zoroastrian priest and here's why: he taught not Judaism but Zoroastrianism and had to learn this philosophy from someone.

>Jesus taught Aryan theology in an attempt to reform Judaism. He was killed when his teachings became too popular and threatened the Pharisee.
Jesus taught something other than Judaism. Jesus even contradicted Judaism at times. For example, Jesus said: "You have heard it said, 'Eye for an eye, tooth for tooth' but I say to turn your cheek." Eye for an eye is an Old Testament commandment God gave to the Jews, and here he completely goes against it. So what was Jesus teaching? Zoroastrianism. And there's evidence of this in Scripture. When Jesus was on the cross next to the two thieves, he said to the repentant thief: "Today you will be with me in paradise." (Luke 23:43). What's interesting here is that the Jews do not view the afterlife or "Heaven" to be like a paradise. The Jews believe when you die you go to Sheol - a place of darkness that exists literally in the ground. Jesus was revolutionary when he taught about Heaven. So what about "paradise?" The word originates in the Avestan language, which happens to be the holy language Zoroaster used when he wrote the Avesta (basically the Bible of Zoroastrianism). During his final moments, Jesus used an Aryan word to describe a Zoroastrian Heaven.

So Sup Forums/ why haven't you taken the Orthodox pill yet user? The one and final real, true pill that matters? (the concept of 'theosis')

Everything in the world, Buddhism, politics, white race, jews etc etc etc doesn't matter once you grasp the meaning of God's will/grace

Both Fully Man and Fully God. He is the word made flesh and came to fulfill the law, and sacrifice himself for our salvation.

>Who exactly was Jesus Christ?

Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. The beginning of creation by God. The very first thing God ever created in all existence. This being was unique in that God created him himself while everything else he created THROUGH him. Jesus, as a master worker, helped his father create everything else after that. He worked along side him for eons. He became his favorite day after day. Jesus is a smaller god or spirit being. That's what all the other angels are as well: gods. The angels are his brothers.

More if you'd like.

I wanna believe but damn is it difficult. "This guy was totally God. Proof? No, it's called faith you are just supposed to believe. But here it's all written down in this book which is the word of God. Proof? It's in the book!"
Either way, I'd rather live in a society based on Christian morality than any other.

this

The Bible doesn't teach Jesus is God. It teaches that Jesus is the Son of God and this. He is a spirit being who is brothers with other small gods, the angels.

The belief that Jesus is God and God is Jesus was on purposely designed for what you just posted: to discourage you not just from believing but from trying to build a meaningful relationship with Jesus Christ and Jehovah God.

The realization is that it was actually the idea of god that transcended him into reality. The reality is that the universe is god. The body is the material world, the mind is your brain, and the soul is the conjuction of the 2. So by constructing a world that corrobarates well with ideas, you create a well soul aswell as a great idea of God.

Here's what ive found helps

Imagine the love that a father can have for his children - that a parent has for their child. And i mean really try to imagine that, in a perfect world, how much love you could give someone without limitations.
Gods love for you dwarfs whatever you can fathom.

I also believe that God does not judge us when you die. Instead, you are stripped of everything except the core point of your soul - what makes you, you. And at this point, you know all the good and bad you've done; that weve chosen to willfully forget and ignore. Like a father hushing a child, we acknowledge we did wrong, we want forgiveness, and we grow

All correct.

But, it sucks knowing what I know. Yet the mind and hear and my spirit still try to reject him daily. Probably because of my earlier preconceptions of him are interfering with my current ones.

Also some immaturity in me, accusing God and his Son of not doing enough. But again knowing what I know, I can't accurately blame them. Everything that has happened has been rather unfortunate.

It doesn't matter what Jesus may be, what matters is what he taught, and whether YOU obey him.

jesus was the son of a jew and a roman soldier. the jews forbid jew from interbreeding with other groups and shunned those that were mixed

marry couldnt come up with a answer as to how her poon was rekt and joseph knew. he was like bitch that shits rekt who you fucking? so she made up some bullshit about him being the son of god. every one knew it was bullshit and joseph never touched her he just went and fucked whores and told marry he was fucking whores and that marry better have those dishes done when he gets home or he would sell her to some romans to gang bang

jesus probably believed the story for a while as a kid but as he grew up knew it was bullshit... until he turned 22 and started going schizo. adult onset schizophrenia which continues until hes about 33 and is executed. he supposedly had a moment of clarity and realized he wasnt going to survive and was depressed joseph didnt give a fuck about him but i mean come on who wants to raise another mans child

To which he is doing everything he can, he even gave us his Son. Freaking God, the mightest being in all of creation sacrificed his Son for us, yet I act like a whiny little bitch and reject him, even if a little. Sucks how fickle and weak our hearts can be.

Well meme'd trihard

He is exactly what the Bible says....The firstborn son of God. Jesus was Gods very first creation.
He is not God. Jesus had a beginning.

Hello there, 16 year old enlightened redditor trying to be funny.
>he was like bitch that shits rekt who you fucking?
Wtf I hate Jesus now?

Actually he doesn't, he was always in God, but God gave him form (Body). THAT came later, but he is the beginning and the end.

My problem isn't believing in the divinity of Jesus, but the whole thing is so god damned jewish. You open the old testament and find shit about Ezekiel, Isaac, a huge list of the heredity of the Israelites, Yahweh collecting foreskins and all of that. So then you think you'll me like a Manichidian or however you spell that sect, or a Gnostic or a Positive Christian, but then the rest of the new testament doesn't really seem that impactful without the old to back it up. Then you think why did a tribal god of a desert people only reveal himself to them and let us wallow in Europe for millenia?

I don't know but paganism is a corpse and can't be revived, but Christianity is thoroughly jewish and I can't bring myself to believe in that short of some bastardized Jesus-as-an-Aryan worship.

Amen. Oatmeal cream pies are the lisp made chewy and delicious.
Forever and ever amen.

I can accurately and sincerely tell you he is real, and God made Flesh. But, I can understand your reluctance, it's a hard thing to wrap your brain around.

I don't have a problem contemplating divinity or a supreme god, it's just the middle eastern jewish wrapping around it. And I don't really care that much about the jewish origins of Christ desu, I can understand how he would chose the most wicked race of man to come into the world and show the light of god through them, but all mainstream sects of Christianity preach that he was the same god of the old testament, that same tribal god prone to jealousy, foreskin consumption, and wanton genocide of other tribes.

I'm torn between a paganism that can't ever come back on one hand, and a jewish religion on the other. I don't want to sound like too much of a muh heritage fag, but when I read the Norse myths, they flow so easily and It just feels normal or like a modern fairytale you tell your kids you know? But when I try to read the bible, especially the old testament it's just so hard and feels alien really.

"Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he." - Isaiah 41:4

"Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." - Isaiah 44:6

"Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." - Isaiah 48:12

"Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea." - Revelation 1:11

" And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:" - Revelation 1:17

"And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, WHICH WAS DEAD, AND IS ALIVE;" - Revelation 2:8

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." -Revelation 22:13

>Then you think why did a tribal god of a desert people only reveal himself to them and let us wallow in Europe for millenia?
He didn't, really. God only chose Israel after the Tower of Babel, before that he was working with all peoples but we kept fucking up. He chose Israel to show us that no matter what we're going to rebel. Even if he revealed himself to us and gave Europeans the law we would've fucked it up. The Old Testament is all about Israel almost constantly fucking up but God remaining true to his promises and showing immense patience and mercy. It shows us that we are our own worst enemy and God is the only solution to that, because even the best of us will end up rebelling without being reborn from our cursed state.

There are those who claim they're God and we have mistaken "those" for our own true God.

Like the Quran and that "thing" the Jews worship now. Our problem is, we tend to the muddy up the water. Despite this there is alot stacked against us, thankfully we're not completely lost.

What does that have to do with my post?

Oh and what you're doing is "Hero Worship", with the tales of Norse myths, I definitely believe that some of it is indeed real. But in what context I don't know.

Alot of what we think is just legend or mythos, is indeed real. But, it doesn't make it true as in right. We aren't suppose to follow some paths.

He was a Jewish man who hoped to overthrow Roman rule.

Hellenized Jewish propagandists covering for their rebellious Judean cousins claimed that he wuz a good boi who dindu nuffin and was not a violent fanatic rebel but a pacifist and philosopher and harmless holy man.

The fan fiction eventually took a Jew criminal to the point that he became a dying and rising god, like Osiris or Dionysus or Mithras.

>jealousy, foreskin consumption, and wanton genocide of other tribes.
God is jealous when we worship things that aren't him. These spiritual beings exist and were appointed by him, but they are creations, not the creator. We can kinda compare it to a husband divorcing his wife because she refuses to have sex or spend time with him, and instead has relations with their sons. It's pretty abhorrent.
I don't get the foreskin thing either, but it's something I need to look into. One thing to remember is that Talmudic and Biblical Judaism aren't the same thing
The Canaanite tribes weren't completely human, they had corrupted genomes. It's why some of them were giants. God doesn't order the extermination of all of them, he let's some live, and the ones that are supposed to be wiped out end up harassing Israel for hundreds of years.

Paganism man, and more on Christianity. It's not a Jewish trick, it's just been things have been muddied. Either lost in translation or outright mistaken for other beings, like this is an agnostic belief.

But I do think there is a malevolent being posing as God, and trying to lead us astray. The great adversary wants God's throne for himself. He didn't just start his attacks, we've always been under his attack.

The foreskin thing was a religious rite, that we had to do in the past. But after Jesus's death was rendered irrelevant.

I know that, I meant the deeper meaning. It's often compared to circumcision of the heart, which makes me think that it's a symbol of self control and patience.

There is one interpretation and that is from the bible Jesus is the Son of God, He is God, and sits at the right hand of God, He came to earth as God, giving his only begotten son to die for Mans sins on the cross and rise again because God so loved the world

as God **in the flesh

He was both kike man and kike god

Youtube Michael Heiser - Jewish trinity. Heiser is an OT scholar that explains who Jesus is in relation to God. Spoilers : He is God.

Jesus was not born, and the other sons of God are not like Him - they were created by Him. God calls Jesus his only begotten son - He is the exact image of God Himself. Jesus said that "if you have seen Me, you have seen Father" and "the Father and I are one". No other celestial being can make that claim.

Well, I can't say for sure. But, I could offer up some educated guesses.

I do know what God did in the past, was to establish influence, all was done to spread his message, essentially an enforcement of his will. So probably has something to do with that.

So maybe using what you said, so our hearts weren't as hardened against God.

>One thing to remember is that Talmudic and Biblical Judaism aren't the same thing
I hear this a lot on Sup Forums but it's still irrelevant to the argument at hand. Your ancestors and mine were most likely in Germany or England yes? What difference does it make if the ancient Israelites were Galileans living in modern day northern Israel or if they were some kind of Armenian or Turkish tribe? We were thousands of miles away with our own heroes, religion and history.

Some early Christians were able to overlook this, but a lot of early Greek and Roman Christians weren't. They threw out the old testament and made Jesus into a European, which in my view so far is the logical thing to do. The god of the old testament is clearly a tribal deity of the jews and not a universal loving god of all men as he is in the new testament. It's like God hit puberty or something and turned into a completely different person.

nah bro, josephs wifes son was deus ex terra. a gebenetic code planted in mary. this is like his 2nd to last from final form.

In some ways he had a change of heart, even God can change his mind from time to time. The thing is I think Jesus somehow changed him, even though they are one. They do talk to each other from time to time, and even withhold secrets.

Meaning they are one, but the father and son still enjoy some level of individuality from each other. A very interesting relationship.

Your welcome

pol specific?

Jesus was a shitlord, the Meme made flesh. Literally. A truly unique Chad-Beta hybrid desu

Daily reminder that the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible purposely changes the words of the King James Version in Luke 2:33, in order to deny that God is the father of Jesus:


King James:

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 2:33&version=KJV


New International:

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke 2:33&version=NIV

None of that means what you think it means. he Bible doesn't teach the Trinity. The Trinity is a pagan triad of more ancient Triads going back before Christ. It is described through Helenistic Greek Philosophy and Hindu Avatarism. All Trinity "proof text" are circumstancial, out-of-context, spurious verses, or mistranslated verses.

Those verses are out of context. Pick any "proof text" and watch how they fall apart with me with proof.

He is God manifested in the flesh

>And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

>1 Timothy 3:16

Jesus is the one true GOD. The Bible is true.

I also know, that what people mistake for wrathful and spiteful, is really a calm steady hand, stern in it's conviction to discipline those who commit evil or wrong doings.

Like a father who would scold his son. Some people might think he was a bit excessive, yet here we are given so much yet we still bite the hand that feeds us. It's no wonder he would lose his patience, just look at all the degeneracy.

Underrated post

>Jesus was not born,

Colossians 1:15 - He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

Revelations 3:14 - “... These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,

Proverbs 8:22-31 - Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men.

CONTINUED

>It's like God hit puberty or something and turned into a completely different person.
Jesus is coming back, and he's pissed. Read Revelation. He first comes as the suffering servant, then as the conqueror.

>Those verses are out of context. Pick any "proof text" and watch how they fall apart with me with proof.
I just gave you some. Do you think you are part of the 144,000? Which tribe do you belong to, if I may ask?

this is inaccurate
hitler had 1 testical and a 13 inch cock.

Jesus was actually God. The One only and ever-living God incarnated as Man.

Jesus did not teach polytheism and Christians are not polytheists.

There is no limit to the power and ability of God and man can never claim truthfully to understand all of God's limitless glory.

>"the Father and I are one"

>(John 10:30) I and the Father are one.”

In what way?....

>(John 17:11) “Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are.

>(John 17:21) in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth.

>(1 Corinthians 3:6-8) I planted, A•pol′los watered, but God kept making [it] grow; so that neither is he that plants anything nor is he that waters, but God who makes [it] grow. 8 Now he that plants and he that waters are one,…

>(Galatians 3:28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus.

>(Romans 12:5) so we, although many, are one body in union with Christ, but members belonging individually to one another.

Regarding John 10:30, John Calvin (who was a Trinitarian) said in the book Commentary on the Gospel According to John: “The ancients made a wrong use of this passage to prove that Christ is . . . of the same essence with the Father. For Christ does not argue about the unity of substance, but about the agreement which he has with the Father.”

Jesus, God, the Apostles, Paul, Apollos, and the Christian Church are one IN AGREEMENT AND GOAL, Not in nature, substance, etc. That's how unBiblical the Trinity is. More?

god is jesus who is the holy ghost
god is the main guy
jesus is god larping as a human
the holy ghost is some shit they put in there to confuse you.

Yes but he was still a tribal god of the jews for thousands of years abandoning us to our paganism until Christ came. Julian the Apostate talked about this in his "Against the Galileans" and Cyril in his refutation never addressed this. How can anyone accept this? This is like a girl who's dated your friend for years, he breaks up with her and all of a sudden she's talking about how she's actually liked you for years. It doesn't make any sense. It seems to me like my only options as a religious person are either to go full larpagan or go full templarp and pretend like Jesus was a blond haired blue eyed aryan and throw the old testament in the trash.

>I just gave you some.

Pick one, like I did with this and this >Do you think you are part of the 144,000? Which tribe do you belong to, if I may ask?

No, I'm part of the Great Crowd who is destined to stay here on earth.

trick question

can someone explain holy ghost plz thnx?

I do this not out of spite, but love, as I am sure you are, doctrine differs between different people. I simply am looking for what is true, as I hope you are.

Do you agree that Jehovah is the first and the last? The Aleph and the Tau?

Cannot really say, God is pretty damn complicated. But since he is who he is, more than likely had a pretty damn good reason.

This is something I know from the occult, but in the beginning, in the times of Noah was the Age of Heroes. Things human and inhuman raged across the world, and it was a place of tall tales, like dragon slaying, but also wickedness.

The world needed to equalize, and over time it did. However humanity couldn't let go of the traditions of the past. It wasn't just God, but us as well we weren't very receptive of anything new.

God is all knowing, He is past, present, and future at all times, He created everything lives in infinity knows everything that will happen, has already happened in it, and is presently in that happening. Because He created it all and has given us free will, although our choice are free, he knows all of our plans and what we will do in them. As far as changing his mind? It has all happened, is happening, and will happen again, God is in infinity there is no relevance to your opinion in His mistake in judgement for he created the world which you toy with your free will in. If I created a comic book, would I be 'confused' if I mixed up the plot? No. Because it's my cartoon I am the creator of the comic it is my story

>his is like a girl who's dated your friend for years, he breaks up with her and all of a sudden she's talking about how she's actually liked you for years
the girl never existed in human form until now?

You cannot except someone to listen when all they ever do is bury their head in the sand. So god needed a more physical manifestation, which I surmise is Jesus Christ. He was his answer.

Revelation 1:8King James Version (KJV)

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

You are both right and wrong the trinity is a pagan doctrine there is only one God and YAHshua (Jesus) is that God manifested in the flesh

>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

>John 1:1

>And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

>1 Timothy 3:16

>For unto us a child is BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

>Isaiah 9:6

He was not created he is the creator

>All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

>John 1:3

That verse about Jesus being firstborn of all creation doesn't mean what you think it means

"The Greek word prototokos, which is translated as firstborn, can refer to different things. It could refer either to something or someone that is first in order of time, such as a firstborn child, or it could refer to someone who is PREEMINENT IN RANK.

And with this I will go to sleep. The saddest thing is, we still reject him even after he had given us Christ. It's so shameful and disappointing. I hope we can do better, infact I believe in God and Christ that his effort wasn't in vain.

Doesn't address my concern about God being a jewish tribal deity before Christ
Doesn't address my concern about God being a jewish tribal deity before Christ

Why the jews? Why the covenant with them? Were our ancestors in Germany or England or France or wherever in northern Europe not good enough to know god? Were we just lesser tribes to be conquered by the hebrews like God said he would grant victory to them?

God is perfect the bible is Truth and not one word of it will be stripped away for all time until God has made his will on earth complete

1 John 5King James Version (KJV)

5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

>7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

This is what I was talking about hereThis is a perfect example of a "spurious" verse. Although the KJV translates 1 Tim. 3:16 with “God” as above, nearly all other translations today use a word which refers, not to God, but to Jesus: “he” (NIV; RSV; NRSV; JB; NJB; REB; NAB [‘70]; AT; GNB; CBW; and Beck’s translation), “he who” (ASV; NASB; NEB; MLB; BBE; Phillips; and Moffatt), “who,” or “which.” Even the equally old Douay version has “which was manifested in the flesh.” All the very best modern NT texts by trinitarian scholars (including Westcott and Hort, Nestle, and the text by the United Bible Societies) have the NT Greek word ὃς (“who”) here instead of θεὸς (“God”).

What you need to be aware of is that the KJV was based on a mistranslation of a slip of the pen. You see, "God" is θεὸς and "who" is ὃς. What happened was that the word ὃς was written in the most ancient manuscripts as OC (“C” being a common form for the ancient Greek letter “S” at that time). Most often at this time the word for God (θεὸς) was written in abbreviated form as ΘC. However, to show that it was an abbreviated form a straight line, or bar, was always drawn above ΘC. So no copyist should have mistaken ὃς (or OC) for ΘC, in spite of their similarities, simply because of the prominent bar which appeared over the one and not over the other. As a result of this error the KJV translators mistranslated "who" for "God."

That's why all those other Bibles up above replace "God" with "who" or "he who".

Jesus was God's Son, at once both fully human, and fully divine. It's a paradox, but that's how you know it's God. Only God can bend, or break, the Natural order to allow a paradox to exist in reality, like the Singularity at the core of the black hole:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity

or Retrocausality (changing the past from actions taken in the present):

plato.stanford.edu/entries/causation-backwards/

These are but the tip of the iceberg, when it comes to Divine knowledge and power.

Protip: Love is the most powerful force in the Multiverse.

youtube.com/watch?v=U8mJwgPiarg

In Hoc Signo Vinces

Eh, was going to go to sleep. But one more reply, Jesus Christ and God they were never tribal Gods, it was extended to all people, even back then. The difference was the Jews in the past, were specifically chosen by God.

They had more responsibility and as a result more preferential treatment, but gentiles were also treated as children of God.

Well specifically I cannot say for certain, but God trusted them and as they flew so close to grace, become prideful and fell like Icarus did.

>it was extended to all people, even back then
>he difference was the Jews in the past, were specifically chosen by God.
>were specifically chosen by God.
dude..

>Well specifically I cannot say for certain, but God trusted them and as they flew so close to grace, become prideful and fell like Icarus did.
Yeah so fuck all of us in Europe then right?

The new Jews of today the ones favored by God that is, are now Christians.

>Everything in the world, Buddhism, politics, white race, jews etc etc etc doesn't matter once you grasp the meaning of God's will/grace
Veritas. Amen.

I would not lean on John Calvin's understanding of scripture.

Calvinism is a heresy that is easily refuted. The man had a fundamental misunderstanding Paul's writings and it tainted his entire view of God.

Which funny enough, is what Peter warned about in his epistles - that "unbalanced" people would read Paul and twist it to their own destruction.

I would watch that Michael Heiser stuff I recommended for a more balanced and educated interpretation of Jesus' relationship with Father God.

I've taken the protestant pill it truly has been an amazing journey in my life. It's quite interesting how the ancient one talks too me. It's not like how the heretics decribe it. It isn't a voice it isn't a feeling it's a thought that comes into my mind that lines up perfectly with the word of God. I truly feel alive.

>the whole thing is so god damned jewish
I really wouldn't mind seeing YOU burn in hell for all eternity, but could you stop trying to convince everyone else that the biggest enemy the kikes ever had is "too Jewish"?
The bible isn't Jewish at all. No part of it is Jewish. It calls for personal restraint, piety, conscience, nobility. That's about as anti-Jewish as you can get.
"B-b-but the kikes say the are Jews!"
Yes, faggot, and CNN says it's a news channel, but we all know that's a lie. Guess what else is.
The people claiming to be Jews today AREN'T JEWS. And if you'd crack open a bible, you'd see that Jesus warned us of precisely this happening.

He said that God was so brutal with them because they were savages incapable of enlightenment and that he was there to deliver the full message.

So god is like a girl that gets dumped and latches onto whatever is closest to her.
>I know I didn't give a fuck about any of you for thousands of years but you're all chosen now! Jews? What? Nah fuck those guys I'm so over them lol

>someone explain holy ghost plz thnx?
Humans are made of three parts, the body, the soul, and the spirit. The body is pretty easy to explain, it's like a computer, the brain is an electro-chemical computer, the rest is life support. The soul and spirit are what we could call programming. The soul is what many people go on about, it's your personality and your dreams and you, but the spirit is MUCH more important. We have a god-breathed spirit, one of creation and imagination. It is an incredible thing, and hard to understand, it's like what we do with our body and soul, I think it's kinda like a task-list of our abilities, but I might be wrong. The God Head is kinda like this, but only symbolically. Jesus is the "Body", God is the "Soul", and the Holy Ghost is the "Spirit". It's more accurate to say that we represent the trinity, not that the trinity represents us. The Holy Ghost dwells within us to change us, to helps us be good ambassadors for the kingdom, and transform us. He also keeps out evil spirits,demons, and other spiritual ills, but only from within, they can still outwardly effect you.

>Was he a physical mortal that had a direct connection to God?
Yes.
>Was he actually God that came in the flesh?
Yes.
>Was Jesus some sort of demigod?
No. He's not like Hercules who is half God, half man. Jesus is different. He is fully God and fully man.

>Proof? No, it's called faith you are just supposed to believe
There are a number of ancient classical accounts of Jesus from pagan, non-Christian sources. These accounts are generally hostile to Christianity:

Julius Africanus, writing around 221AD does quote Thallus who previously tried to explain away the darkness occurring at Jesus’ crucifixion:

“On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun.” (Julius Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Cornelius Tacitus was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He wrote:

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”

Syrian philosopher named Mara Bar-Serapion:

“What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?…After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men…The wise king…Lived on in the teachings he enacted.”

He claimed them as servants, workers. Most people would scoff at the idea. But those of the past were noble and tried to do right by God (Not all obviously, but what I am saying is God is a good judge of character). For the most part it wasn't easy and most would not succeed.

Again people would scoff at the idea, not all are men of quality. Can you say if you were treated as a king, would you then return that favor and give up your life to your people if need be? Most would not, a king in heart, not in title is a rare thing indeed.

God didn't reject you, nor me. We can't all be chosen, we all have our roles. Not everything can lead, but believe in Christ and you will be equal in Christ. That is now, and not then, at least not anymore.

>"The Greek word prototokos, first in order of time, such as a firstborn child, or it could refer to someone who is PREEMINENT IN RANK.

Col 1:15 also cannot be preeminent because there was ALREADY A WORD FOR PREEMINENCE IN KOINE GREEK!! Proteuo.

In fact, not only was there a word for Preeminence in Greek but Paul used both the words firstborn and preeminence IN THE SAME SENTENCE.

>Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) from the dead, that in all things He might have the preeminence(PROTEUO). 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

>Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence(PROTEUO). American Standard Version (ASV)

>Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) from the dead, that in everything he might be pre-eminent.(PROTEUO) English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK)

>Col 1:18 [a]And he is the head of the body of the Church: he is the beginning, and the [b]first begotten(prototokos) of the dead, that in all things he might have the preeminence(PROTEUO). 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV)

>Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn(PROTOTOKOS) from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence(PROTEUO). Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Actually, no they do not declare it to be preeminent but to be LITERAL firstborn. The proof is the Koine Greek language itself and Colossians 1:18 up above. There was already AN ACTUAL WORD for preeminence and it was PROTEUO. Not only that but Paul used both PROTEUO and PROTOTOKOS in the SAME SENTENCE!! That alone disproves this argument. How can Paul have SAID preeminence and MEANT preeminence with TWO DIFFERENT WORDS IN THE SAME SENTENCE?!?

>The new Jews of today the ones favored by God that is, are now Christians.
>What is replacement theology
God still has a plan for the Jews. Daniel's 70th week is still to be completed.

Did you even read my other posts? I said it makes sense to follow Christianity but not the old testament.

Read any of the old testament and tell me with a straight face it isn't jewish. God telling David or whatever kike to get 1000 foreskins from the conquered tribe? Seriously man. Tell me this isn't jewish.

>Proof?
“Phlegon records that, in the time of Tiberius Caesar, at full moon, there was a full eclipse of the sun from the sixth to the ninth hour.” (Africanus, Chronography, 18:1)

Phlegon is also mentioned by Origen (an early church theologian and scholar, born in Alexandria):

“Now Phlegon, in the thirteenth or fourteenth book, I think, of his Chronicles, not only ascribed to Jesus a knowledge of future events . . . but also testified that the result corresponded to His predictions.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 14)

“And with regard to the eclipse in the time of Tiberius Caesar, in whose reign Jesus appears to have been crucified, and the great earthquakes which then took place … ” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 33)

“Jesus, while alive, was of no assistance to himself, but that he arose after death, and exhibited the marks of his punishment, and showed how his hands had been pierced by nails.” (Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter 59)

Pliny the Younger, in a letter to the Roman emperor Trajan, describes the lifestyles of early Christians:

“They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food—but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”

Suetonius was a Roman historian and annalist of the Imperial House under the Emperor Hadrian. His writings about Christians describe their treatment under the Emperor Claudius (41-54AD):

“Because the Jews at Rome caused constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus (Christ), he (Claudius) expelled them from the city (Rome).” (Life of Claudius, 25:4)

Another retard who believes the kikes when they say they are the Jews of the bible.
Did it ever fucking occur to you to stop sucking their dicks and maybe question some of this shit they tell you. THEY FUCKING MURDERED THE SON OF GOD. You really think they're the chosen people?

>Did you even read my other posts?
No I was late to the thread. I'm sorry.

>I would not lean on John Calvin's understanding of scripture.

A broken clock is right twice a day. Here he is right. He interpreted John 10:30 correctly.

>>And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Timothy 3:16

Answered

I'll give you a hint.

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>For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Only the KJV translate the last part like that
and notice the word used "Holy Ghost" that is mistranslated in itself because it should be the Holy Spirit not the Holy ghost, look at how that verse is translated in other bibles

>For there are three that testify the SPIRIT, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.

It sounds alot different than the KJV translation right? Only the KJV translation reads like that

>The most important one, answered Jesus, is this: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the LORD IS ONE"

>Mark 12:29

>Proof?
Suetonius:
“Nero inflicted punishment on the Christians, a sect given to a new and mischievous religious belief.” (Lives of the Caesars, 26.2)

Lucian was a Greek satirist who spoke sarcastically of Christ and Christians, but in the process, he did affirm they were real people and never referred to them as fictional characters:

“The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day—the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account….You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.” (Lucian, The Death of Peregrine. 11-13)

Celsus (175AD):

“Jesus had come from a village in Judea, and was the son of a poor Jewess who gained her living by the work of her own hands. His mother had been turned out of doors by her husband, who was a carpenter by trade, on being convicted of adultery [with a soldier named Panthéra (i.32)]. Being thus driven away by her husband, and wandering about in disgrace, she gave birth to Jesus, a bastard. Jesus, on account of his poverty, was hired out to go to Egypt. While there he acquired certain (magical) powers which Egyptians pride themselves on possessing. He returned home highly elated at possessing these powers, and on the strength of them gave himself out to be a god.”

He didn't reject them, he still loves them and offers redemption. They reject him, should he strip them of their free will and make them listen instead? They are free to make their own decisions, but God will not comprise the integrity of right and wrong to appease some rebellious children.

I see that you have a bias and maybe a hatchet to bury here. Ask yourself, if what I am doing is right? Attacking someone, who from my perception cannot defend himself. Do you talk with such venom of those you love, of your family?

Do not carry grudges lest they destroy you.

>>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
>>John 1:1

I want you to look at this link of over 70 Bible translations.

>simplebibletruths.net/70-John-1-1-Truths.htm

Besides the New World Translation, all these non-JW Bibles translate John 1:1 as "a god," "the word was divine," "the word was godlike."

Why all the "blasphemy"? Because the original Koine Greek language was like that.

This is the Koine Greek original
>kαὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος

This is the hyper-literal translation
>kai the·os′ en ho lo′gos

This is the translation
>kai(AND) the·os′(GOD) en(WAS) ho(THE) lo′gos(WORD).

What you need to understand is two things. First, Koine Greek had no lowercase words. It was all capital as seen above. Second, Koine Greek has only the definite article(the) but no indefinite articles(a/an).

So how does one tell the difference between God and god? Because God in the Greek Scriptures is always ho'theos(THE GOD) and any generic god is always theos. In John 1:1 Jehovah is translated in the same verse with Jesus as ho'theos(THE GOD) while Jesus is just theos(GOD.) The Koine Greek language is read without indefinite articles (a/an). So the correct translation is "a god."