I used to be a libertarian, but the one thing that convinced me that the free market is bullshit is bottled water...

I used to be a libertarian, but the one thing that convinced me that the free market is bullshit is bottled water. American consumers spend millions on a product they could have delivered into their homes for close to free. It's totally, irredeemably, irrational. The only reason anyone should ever buy bottled water is to stockpile it for emergencies and long trips on the highway. Ever time I see people in supermarkets hauling heavy crates of bottled water, I become more convinced of the need for government to command the economy how to function.

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Why does tap water contain so many ingredients?
Why do jews teach that distilled water damages the body?

Lets be honest here, you never believed in the free market in your life you commie scumbag.

Nothing more disgusting than someone who lies even when they are anonymous.

You pay for the convenience of the bottle, moron.

I'm telling the truth. I used to be--and to a great extent still am--a big fan of Rothbard, Walter Block, Lew Rockwell, HHH, Ron Paul, etc. I just think the assumption of rational self interest that economics is based on is an oversimplification. People don't act based on cost-benefit analysis. They act based on habit and social conformity until circumstances force them to do a cost-benefit analysis. Most of the time, human behavior is a sort of autopilot.
I can somewhat understand why it might be convenient to have one in your car, but I've seen people drink bottled water at home. Wouldn't it be rational to just buy disposable cups instead? Of course it would, but the free market is not rational.

BUT IT TURNS THE FRICKIN FROGS GAY.

Flint is being kept alive by bottled water.

The government water turned brown and poisoned everybody.

tap water tastes like shit. i'm not drinking your socialist water that's been travelling through ancient, dirty pipes.

No credible libertarian ever believed utility was determined completely rationally. Human desires simply don't work that way. And now you want the government to take people's bottled water away because...?

u do know they were warned but didnt give a shit. they sold out their citizens who cares if theyre black the point is the republican government sold you out.

The placebo effect is strong with this one.
Just because some governments are incompetent doesn't mean they all are. Even Rothbard said that government services don't have to be cesspools. Flints water is shit because Flint is ruled by blacks, who make for naturally lazy, greedy, selfish, corrupt, and short-sighted rulers. Even the Soviet Union, which was an absolutely squalid place to live in other respects, had more competent water infrastructure management.
I don't want the government to kick down your door and confiscate your bottled water, but I do think a tax on the advertising of bottled water would make the market more efficient. If bottled water companies want to brainwash consumers, let them pay for the privilege.

>Not having free water from drinkable fountains near you.
America.

Yes, because the government will fairly distribute bottled water. What's going to happen under your proposed program is that Nestle will become the only company for bottled water, and they'll start lowering the quality of it. What about customers complaining? No problem.

The government will start to subsidize Nestle so market competitiveness won't matter. Just like in the Soviet Union - there was no competition because of the government picking winners and losers and subsidizing them. That resulted in a subpar product.

>not living off of tank water
It's like you want to grow tits

>mfw he fell for the flouride
(you) drank the tap water, didn't you?

>make the market more efficient
The market is perfectly efficiently already, stop being a kike and gas yourself, thanks.

>because the government will fairly distribute bottled water
The government should discourage bottled water consumption altogether. If consumers had any common sense at all, they'd just use tap water. Unfortunately, consumers are so brainwashed by advertising that they have essentially become robots.
The existence of bottled water proves that is a lie.

I've tried drinking Minnsesotan tap water and it either tastes like blood due to all the minerals in the water or it tastes like pool water due to all the chlorine in the filters. Bottled water does not have these problems. I can only drink the tap water here in Norway because it actually tastes fresh. Probably the blessing and the curse from drinking mountain water.

>he thinks bottled water is the same as tap water
>he thinks americans prefer having to fill their bottles
>he thinks americans mind paying extra for prepackaged water
>he thinks brands are worthless
>he thinks americans don't consciously choose bottled water because taps are for plebs
>he's a nigger
No, you're just a moron

>when your corporatist overlords poison the water supply so you need to buy their product to survive

>American consumers spend millions on a product they could have delivered into their homes for close to free
What happens when you don't pay your water bill?

Bottled water IS the same. If you think you can tell the difference, you're fooling yourself. I've drunk water from streams high in the mountains, miles from any polluting industry, and it tastes no different than tap water.

The per unit cost of tap water is literally hundreds, even thousands of times less than that of bottled water.

>i drank water from where they bottle it and it's the same as bottled water
>i'm choosing not to think about americans who don't live close enough to mountains to economically pipe stream water
>i'm choosing to ignore that's the majority of americans
>i am a nigger

>there is market for frivolous things therefore capitalism is bad
Typical commie.

>reading comprehension fail
I said I drank water from a reasonably pure source, and it tastes the same as TAP water.
>i'm choosing not to think about americans who don't live close enough to mountains to economically pipe stream water
Every city is near a natural water source. Public utilities can and do produce water at literally orders of magnitude less cost than bottled water.

Tap water has a distinctive taste from bottled water. I actually drink tap water all the time at home, but I'd prefer bottled water over tap anytime. My tap water, even though I live in a fairly good neighbourhood, still has a slight tinge of chlorine or flouride to it.

>Tap water has a distinctive taste from bottled water
No it doesn't. You are deluding yourself. It is nothing more than a placebo effect.

>I said I drank water from a reasonably pure source, and it tastes the same as TAP water.
>Every time I see people in supermarkets hauling heavy crates of bottled water, I become more convinced of the need for government to command the economy how to function.
>he makes the first mistake of (((command economics)))
>he assumes everything true for him is true for everybody
>he assumes all (((natural water sources))) are the same
>he decides the goyim shouldn't get to choose whether they want (((local natural water sources))) or bottled water because the goyim are goyim
>he thinks this because the (((central bank))) isn't getting enough (((interest))) on its (((balance sheet)))

>Bottled water IS the same.
Normal bottled water - taken from aquifer & passed bottling factory.
Tap water - taken from surface, chlorinated, passed kilometres of decades old pipes.
Yep, same shit.

In Finland we have nice water.

As someone who switched from bottled to tap for years and then tried a bottle again, it can be pretty damn different. You probably actively hold your breath while you drink, which sounds obvious but most people don't do, cause you can't taste otherwise.

If there's a placebo, it's in believing that bottled tastes better just because it's bottled. They do taste different, and tap even tastes different based on location as well. You nerd.

tap or bottle are both deadly
they put something in the water to make you gay
real shit nigga

>I drank water from a reasonably pure source, and it tastes the same as TAP water.
Case A: you live in place with 'reasonably pure source' for tap water and good piping
Case B: your 'reasonably pure source' was shit

In first case you are incorrectly generalising, in second you just bullshit.

>implying bottled water and tap water don't both come from the same natural sources, including aquifers.
I don't know about Russia, but in America, tap water is perfectly fine.
>he thinks this because the (((central bank))) isn't getting enough (((interest))) on its (((balance sheet)))
So you're a conspiracy theorist? Explain to me what in the fuck water has to do with central banks?
In America too.
In all the cities I have lived, tap water is colorless, odorless, and tasteless. The only thing that makes a difference is how thirsty you are when you drink it.

>Case A: you live in place with 'reasonably pure source' for tap water and good piping
That includes 99% of America that isn't Flint, MI. If you live in a third world shithole, by all means, drink bottled water, but we don't.

Better than here, but still wouldn't drink from a tap.
Best tap I tasted was in Bergamo - that shit was better than most bottled water.

>colorless, odorless, and tasteless
Your senses are busted, bud. I bet you think pepsi and coke taste the same, too.

yeah the womens' piss filled with birth control

To be fair, Russia has major corruption problems, so it wouldn't surprise me if Russian authorities cut corners on water quality.
No, Pepsi is sweeter.

Britain, Spain, Netherlands and southern Italy have shitty tap water too. They are third world shitholes too?

>He hasn't taken the filtered tap water in a glass container red pill.
Get a load of this faggot.
/thread.

>fluoride
soviet prison camps added it to the water to make prisoners docile, results in pineal calcification and early onset dementia
>muh teeth though
brush

>plastic bottles
soft plastic estrogen mimickers and carcinogens
especially unsafe to re-use

>powdered iced tea
don't do it, fluoride levels are fucking beyond. drinking this shit, especially for kids, on a regular basis, will literally make you retarded. for real. the fluoride levels are hundreds of times even tap water

lmao you're literally a retarded fluoridehead, no wonder you stopped being a libertarian after you started drinking tap water

enjoy your cancer you fucking unintelligent cuck

people are not rational, if people came to your haous to buy your shit for 1000$ for a gramm you would sell it to them, not because you think its a good makret, but because you want the money

You ever tried sea water? Same as tap to you?

You tell me, brother.
That is true.

In case of water (an other municipal services) it's less outright corruption, and more vestiges of communist management style, with total irresponsibility and 'we aren't payed to do our jobs well'

>he thinks water isn't a goyim control tool
>he doesn't wonder why he even wants to save (((money))) in the first place
>he doesn't consider (((they))) print (((money))) from thin air anyway and make us work for it
>he doesn't care about (((fluoride)))
>he doesn't care about estrogen mimickers
>he doesn't care about heavy metals
>he doesn't care it's turning the freaking frogs gay
>he wants to force people to drink this to save some pennies the (((state))) will tax away
>he thinks if the goyim have more pennies they'll buy more (((stawks and bawnds)))

>pop
sugar levels at 3 times your daily suggested limit ina single can. some people drink 3-4 cans a day and top of other sugary treats. plenty of people getting 20 times their daily sugar limit

>gmos
ungodly genetic abomination food linked to gut flora devastation, leaky gut syndrome in children, infertility in small mammels, tumours in rats. but hey, you can trust globalist megacorp monsanto the makers of agent orange, surely you can trust them.

>calcium propionate
deadly preservative found in most store bread products. linked to alzheimers and other neurodegenerative conditions in rats tested with a daily dose of the same amount of calcium propionate per ounce of body fat as what a human will get eating a third of a loaf of bread.

>etc etc etc i could do this all day. we're under a biological and chemical attack. soft kill. quiet weapons for a silent war

so you agreee its not the fault of the free market?
Of course a free market in a walthy country will cause massive waste and overhead.
But thats the fault of the people, and not the market.

>poison water with lead, chlorine, fluoride, chemical plant runoff
>sell spring water

The big argument here is not bottled water, it's the state intentionally poisoning the tap water.

What you call waste and overhead I call freedom

yeah, i agree, but thats not the point

Let's assume the Jews are putting mind control substances in the tap water. Don't you think they'd do the same to bottled water? Why would bottled water be magically free from Jewish influence?
In theory, the market is good at giving consumers what they want to the extent that consumers make informed choices. The problem lies in the fact that what the consumers want is determined not by their own preferences, but by advertising brainwashing. It's called manufactured demand.

I used to be a libertarian until I went to mainland china. Fake currency, waste on streets, dog meat and gutter oil is so rampant and is due to how those areas are poorly regulated. Its how I see a society becoming if you let the market have its way.

>Fake currency
Do you mean counterfeiting? That happens in every society that passes banknotes.
>waste on streets
You mean shit on streets? Do Chinese people not have toilets, or do they simply refuse to use them like Indians?
>dog meat
I don't see anything wrong with that.
>gutter oil
Very common in America too. Many Americans drive cars with oil leaks. That oil washes into gutters and rivers.

Tap water in many parts of the country is not safe.
As a consequence, until people do their research on if their municipal supplies are safe, they buy water.
The BP oil spill, for example, ruined tap water in a lot of gulf coast areas.
Not to mention some of the shit that ends up in WV's water supply. Remember the chemical contamination?
Yes, if we had rigorous standards for water, sure. But the reality is that people prefer to be safe, not sorry.

oh yeah i agree, but thats not the fault of the market, you cant tell me people are brainwashed into drinking botteled water, the only thing might be lying a bout flourid, or something, but thats does not affect most people, most people just drink bottled water because the ythink it tasts better or some other dumb reason.
Thats capitalism: the freedom to make dumb decisions

Gutter oil is fucking disgusting, I wish I could forget learning about it. That slop.

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Holy shit jackass I'm not even going to bother with green text. Tap water is literally the fucking fecal matter run off that's spritz'd up in literally the fucking cheapest facility you can get by with and still meet EPA regulations for 90% of the United States. You are a fucking moron/troll/shill. Bottled water is marginally better because at least it's not rain water / run off and is usually either spring-fed or snow melt, and the bottling companies hold themselves to much higher standards than the EPA because they can't have a customer posting youtube videos of how the water is a fucking 9.0 pH and full of atrazine, progesterone and viagra (which my tap water is).

You are a fucking moron and that's why you aren't libertarian any more, it has nothing to do with water.

How else I would transition into female without xenosterogens in my plastic bottles?

Bottled water is the ultimate incarnation of free market capitalism.

>He can't even drink tap water where he lives
Why is the world outside of Scandinavia so shitty?

gutter oil is food oil tipped into a sewer, then scraped up, filtered through a tshirt and served as cooking oil again. its dangerous as fuck and disgusting. look it up on youtube.

Ok go move to mainland china and tell me how much of a unregulated utopia it is, where breathing is becoming a privilege because of the smog, and buildings crumble months after being built because of cheapskate builders. Where most the food you can buy would make you sick or kill you.

Sounds like you probably never seen what it looks like when a million lazy people have free reign to do as they please. Its disgusting. Probably normal where you come from.

>go to communist country
>blame all the issues on free markets
You're retarded, aren't you?

>hurr durr water is fucking free from the tap
All you fucking marxists can fuck right off with your cheap tap water bullshit; it costs money to develop water pipe infrastructure and to pressurize pipes so it can be pumped into your fucking cucksheds. Purifying and filtering water is expensive and it becomes more expensive the more pure you want the water, and people prefer to drink as pure water as possible because they don't live in some radioactive post-soviet shithole like Flint, MI. The market provides people with what they fucking want, and if you think you can do better then start your own water company or gommunist chapter.

>Doesnt understand the geopolitics of mainland china. Doesnt understand what unregulated means Probably never travelled.

shhh chill out bro didn't you know China is still communist?

I love that people still claim deregulation is bad because subhumans live in filth

They live in filth because they have low intelligence and none of the empathy and values the west has. We don't need to be browbeaten by daddy government to be nice to other human beings because we are a class above

Works fine in England. Once again, Americans show the fact taht they're big fat dumbdumbs.

State Capitalist.

>not having a well
>not having good water
Good goy

It's not free, but the cost per unit is so low that it's damn close to being free.
>gutter oil is food oil tipped into a sewer, then scraped up, filtered through a tshirt and served as cooking oil again. its dangerous as fuck and disgusting. look it up on youtube.
Why do they do that? Are they just too greedy to buy more cooking oil? Couldn't they just reuse cooking oil without dumping it into the gutter?
The public utilities do a good job of filtering out impurities.
>because the ythink it tasts better or some other dumb reason.
They only think that because those idea have been put into their heads from advertising and other sources of disinformation.
>Tap water in many parts of the country is not safe.
It's as safe as bottled water. When I went to connect my utilities, they handed me a sheet of paper detailing the water purity levels. Everything was well within standards.

>mu fluoride
TASTES LIKE SHIT!
Calcareous piece of shit giving me kidney stones and raping my pee pussy from inside!!

and?

>my tap water is safe so all tap water is safe

Are you legitimately retarded?

Tap water in first world countries is generally safe. I'm not talking about Mexico.

no not really, who spreads indo that botteled water is healthy(er), they probably think bottled tastes better.
I think there is a way better case to be made for your point with fast food, and soda drinks.
They are not only a waste of money, but unhealthy as fuck.
People buy unnecesarry shit, there is some disinfo/brainwashing going on, but thats no´t the main cause.
Thats what people do, spend their money on shit they like

>implying water bottles are not one of the most important inventions ever

Fast food actually tastes good. Bottled water doesn't taste any different from tap water. With bottled water, you're paying extra for nothing.

definetly depends where you live, if you live in a town under a spring where nnestle gets their water you might not taste a difference, but there is a huge gap in taste for city tab water

I don't believe it. Blind tastes and comparison studies show tap water being as good or better than bottled water.

Tap water rots your mind and body

Markets do not pretend to offer morality. So if you want morality in government (which not everyone wants), you invoke the local culture against the market. Often through the machination of state.

The state can be as immoral as the market, however. So the real question boils down to which of the two can be more efficiently cutrailed from being dumbfucks.

maby in the us, dont get me wrong tab water does not taste disguesting, i only drink tab water, but if you dont have chlor or lime filter your water can taste pretty bad.

But again, why are you making this point?
Why make it about free markets?
Just to calim that capitalism creates exess stuff? Or that people are dumb?

And as for tap water containing fluoride or other additives: This is simply because the citizenry of the US does not control its government with any measure of efficiency. Both the market and the government claps hands together in the bottled water industry because the government fails to represent the interests of the people and the market can act unrestraint to compensate for that artificial problem. And much money was had for both.

bottled water is not cursed by antidepressants and anticonception, try again commie

It varies wildly across the U.S.
In the 30 states or so I've been in, I'd say the standouts for worst were in Hawaii and Georgia.
Can't think of any offhand that stood out as good.