Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
>>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need.
You mean so that pig Kim can stuff his face with his private sushi chef? Or so Stalin can drink all the Western scotch we can? Or so Mao can deflower as many farmer's daughters as he likes?
Robert Hernandez
Fuck cucktalism
Gavin Johnson
One of the economic powerhouses happens to be under a Communist regime. I could cite countless examples of failed capitalist states, yet you insist on nitpicking this particular examples. Seriously, how brainwashed are you?
Landon Perez
>affirming the consequent
Commies can't really into logic, can they?
Nathaniel Barnes
>China >Real Communism (TM) pick one
Isaac Powell
Except they got it there under capitalism - so not only are they hypocrites, but liars as well.
Brody Thompson
>implying it is not
Dylan Myers
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Jose Cook
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Elijah Russell
... because in the 21st century, 'capitalism' is now double-speak for 'communism', right?
Carson Reyes
chinese industry is wholly capitalistic, her government is communist
dude seriously, fucking use a neuron or two
Joseph Stewart
Death to all communists. Neoliberals I can stand, even if I don't like them, communists I cannot, death to them all.
Fuck off faggots, kill yourselves.
Ryan Nelson
Tell it to those guys.
Jaxson Davis
a gubernatorial dogma is nother more then when the "government" chooses to "interfere" with operations of industry
>believing economic system X is better than economic system Y
good job goy
Benjamin Perry
Why do you say that comrade?
Gabriel Ross
communism has never been tried.
Camden Collins
China must believe capitalism is better than communism for them to be adopting it, right?
Ian Price
What is the problem? It is you capitalist cucks, who indirectly support the exploitation of workers worldwide by jumping on rampant consumption of electronic gizmos.
Blake Flores
>It is you capitalist cucks, who indirectly support the exploitation of workers worldwide by jumping on rampant consumption of electronic gizmos.
>China is communist >Any country in the world ever being communist at any point in history
Bentley Cruz
You have it backwards - if we stopped our "rampant consumption of electronic gizmos" there would be no use for slave labor from commie countries like China. That is why leftist companies like Apple always release products with an expiration date.
Noah Murphy
Because it is the future
Luis Lopez
>Nazi terror >capitalism Most if not all of these have nothing to do with the economic model currently employed by the country. Good bait though.
Caleb Thomas
Oh boy this will turn into a shitstorm thread reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal quick.
Jack Cruz
>missing the point I ain't saying there's a problem mang. Just answer me: does this look like Real Communism (TM) to you?
Ethan Cooper
define better.
its merely more profitable, especially from a globalist stand point
incredibly hazardous and irresponsible given chinas population (because of health, environmental impact, limited space etc.)
i personally despise capitalism because it is based on the concept of perpetual (never ending) growth. couldnt care any less about religion or race, do want only whites breeding with whites and asian with asian tho, but the capitalist system is flawed and illogical.
cockshott is a hack who can't even defend his stupid commie apologetics in debate
Marxist "economics" in general suffers from a want of rigor and worldliness
Ayden Diaz
no, you are one of the richest people ever to live, and you still think you can get "more" by abolishing basic finance and labor agreements
Colton Edwards
>that picture If you think it's a point for communism you really are a rural retard.
Asher Collins
>China >real communism topfucking jej. I guess Vietnam is real communism too
Hunter Sullivan
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Jose Thompson
Their idea was that since they knew communism would never work, they would now embrace capitalism, and assert that capitalism is communism as "proof" of the superiority of communism.
Levi Howard
>Communist Party seizes the means of production >propaganda claims "the people" seized the means of production >Communist Party does whatever the fuck they want since they have complete control
Why do Commies keep falling for this bullshit?
"Workers seizing the means of production" is an empty meme that falls apart under scrutiny.
Have fun with your unaccountable authoritarian regimes.
Joshua Moore
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Jaxson Flores
>Have fun with your unaccountable authoritarian regimes. What do you think capitalism wil... actually already has, lead to?
Isaac Russell
Have a free range bless you.
Easton Green
>free markets lead to unaccountable government Capitalism isn't a philosophy of government. Communism is.
Hudson Lewis
More accountable and less authoritarian than any Communist regime.
Evan Perry
You are unbearably naive.
Nathaniel Gray
Forgot pic.
Cooper Johnson
I'm sorry that objective reality doesn't agree with your propaganda.
Jeremiah Peterson
not at all. everyone wants profits. profits is the very foundation of currency and indeed, modern human life.
>you do X >i dont have to do X (which i hate) >i give you Y >i get Y from doing X for this person
ultimate form of teamwork, as every person has different abilities/traits, use them and yourself to everyone's advantage.
a capitalist government and economy is a breeding ground for despair, communism isnt much better as it holds back truly influential individuals, and all (((near))) communist regimes usually include a religious motive.
i personally identify as a technocrat, only heard the term used once many years ago. dont know if its an actual dogma. essentially puts the concept of law (blind lady justice, all things and people are equal) into government. all things - profits, environment, prosperity of the peoples, investment to knowledge, etc - are equal, each decision is made in a unique isolated time and place.
>pro tip >IQ is useless >desire to do is all that matters
Caleb Richardson
>niggers and spics >people
You commiefags are some funny motherfuckers
Nathaniel Jenkins
>capitalism can exist without government lol
Nicholas Clark
Just wondering if the ML's here are as ideologically brainwashed as tankie twitter's when it comes to genocide denial of Chechens? It's funny watching folk so close to SJWism erase the oppression of a muslim PoC wholesale
Owen Wright
>le niggers and le spics aren't le human XDDD Le epic meme XD XD XD!!
Chase Ward
I don't care desu
Brandon Adams
>still thinking communism is valid
You are confirmed mentally handicapped, or, underage. Which is it?
Tyler Rivera
Under Stalin it would have been 100%, because with communists even wanting to live is a crime.
Colton Wilson
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Julian Peterson
Help me, Commie-pol! All my capitalist friends can point to hundreds of beneficialinventions democracy and capitalism have given us. All I can point to them that 70 years of Soviet Commienism has given us is AKs and Tetris.
Owen Davis
They only thought that because they were brainwashed, isn't it obvious?
Now try again with a list of things that weren't stolen from capitalist nations by spying (or from Nazi Germany after ww2)
Ayden Walker
SOCIAL ACHIEVEMENTS USSR:
First and totally FREE public education system, which achieved the highest rates of literacy in history in the 15 Soviet republics. Moreover, Soviet schools offered free food for students, so the work-life balance is made much easier than today in the capitalist countries. Even kindergartens were also free.
First FREE and universal health care system, which increased the life expectancy of the Soviets, less than 40 years in 1917, to reach Western levels in 80 (70 years). The achievements of hunger eradication and health systems can also compare with the average height of the Soviets in 1917 (1,60 m) to 1980 (1,80 m). This health system discovered painless childbirth and performed the first organ transplant.
Between 1945 and 1964, the Soviet national income grew by 570%, compared to 55% in the USA (and remember that the USSR was not a Marshal Plan to help the country)
Invention of evening studies so that workers could build careers.
First country in history where abortion was legal and free (since 1920)
First country in history to achieve an unemployment rate at 0%
Equality policies, one of the first countries to adopt women's suffrage
First woman in history to hold a position in a government (Aleksandra Kollontai)
Julian Hughes
Trumpers supposedly live in the USA but actually are in an parallel universe. And just like Trumpers, this driver is likely unable to make one criticism against his beloved leader.
Lucas Bennett
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Oliver Johnson
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Tyler Kelly
I've been told most spaceflight doesn't count since both USA & USSR used captured Nazis and thus the 3rd Reich should get credit.
Jeremiah Parker
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Gabriel Ramirez
If you use captitalist-created products to decry capitalism, you are a cucktivist
How does ANY of that even matter if you are just going to get sent to the Gulag for even wanting to live?
Ryder Smith
>American >telling anybody they were brainwashed
Carson Roberts
Stfu retard. You have never lived in this socialist garbage dump
Benjamin Russell
Is that because you are trying to brainwash me, so I shouldn't be telling anyone they are brainwashed because I'm being brainwashed myself?
Luke Myers
so many gulag dead
Jaxson Gomez
>How does ANY of that even matter if you are just going to get sent to the Gulag for even wanting to live?
bullshit propaganda, also ironically there are more people in jail in USA right now than there were ever in Gulag
Colton Rivera
>USA >5% of world population >25% of all prisoners
Easton Barnes
Fake news is not even close to being a recent event, lad.
Dominic Barnes
I mean unless you are posting on a Venezuelan smartphone using Cuban wifi, you are controlled opposition – the demand part of supply-and-demand.
Thomas Fisher
So you're saying I wouldn't be jailed for telling Stalin how gay he was?
Are you denying that those people in prison committed crimes to have gotten them there?
Sebastian Butler
You don't practice what you preach, so why take you seriously? Jung had something similar to say about "nihilists." Basically, if you really believed nothing mattered, you'd just lie there and die. Instead they eat, sleep, often work and have families, etc. Thus their behavior belies their lie. Similarly, you spent either your or your parents money, earned as the result of a labor transaction, on a computer produced by for profit private businesses to bitch about capitalism. You're a big fat fucking liar
Xavier Edwards
>implying there is a such a thing as ethical consumption under capitalism
Cameron Torres
>So you're saying I wouldn't be jailed for telling Stalin how gay he was?
Why would you do that?
Jordan Young
Communism is the solution.
Carson Hall
>The Spaniard going at it again.
Carson Miller
Hello comrade, I too am of liking to cram many pointy objects into butthole as of possible. I bleed red like mother russia comrade!
