This is a thread for the discussion of anti-capitalist nationalism. We support the establishment of a workers state free of capitalist materialism and degeneracy.
Welcome: Strasserists Fascists Distributists Falange National Bolsheviks National Syndicalists National Socialists Juchists Jamahiriya Ba'athists Peronists Anyone who is interested in revolutionary nationalism.
Not Welcome: (((Lolbertardians))) (((Capitalists))) (((Anarchists))) left or right Marxists who believe in (((Internationalism)))
We are young We are savage We are ruthless We are young libertertarians coming to a town near you
Lincoln Cook
Dirty Commies.
Christopher Morales
I like Strasserite economics just can't stand all the civic nationalism and pro-semitism. Why did the Strasser brothers have to fuck up in that regard.
Power to the working man! Long live the white race!
Dylan Hughes
Your ideology is stupid and contradicts itself many times. You are either a national socialist or a communist, no exceptions.
Caleb Peterson
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Blake Collins
>You are either a national socialist or a communist, no exceptions. False dichotomy, the right isn't going to win by embracing capitalism
David Richardson
Capitalism IS globalism. You can't be a nationalist and a capitalist.
James Jackson
I am not talking about capitalism meme. I am talking about national bolshevism.
Jaxon Bennett
National Bolshevism took Marx's good ideas like class warfare and discarded his shit ideas like Internationalism. When communists call us revisionists as an insult it's not an insult to us but a fact. Because Ernst Niekisch revised Marxian ideas to make them better.
Landon Robinson
Yes. Workers ought to gain the full power of labor and ethnic nationalism is the core of a functioning society.
If you believe in capitalism, you're just supporting the jews. The 1% are largely jewish. The majority of capitalists are jews.
Capitalists are the oppressive class. It's just a coincidence that most capitalists are jewish. It's in their interests to divide society and keep the white race (the only race capable of challenging their order) in line.
I think talking about "the right" is a bad idea. Nationalist thought transcends the classical left/right divide. Socialism is a collectivist belief and nationalism is rather straightforward.
This. Marxist evaluation of class and class struggle is an obvious day to day observation. Of course the rich own everything and treat workers as expendable and of course the interests of the two are at odds. The same dichotomy can apply to race. Internationalism is a false song, although at the time it was a more eurocentric atmosphere but those fundamental beliefs morphed into the subversive postmodernist thought of today which seeks to destroy white society.
Josiah Brown
>Yes.
I left out "if you think that we want socialism, yes, you're right."
Nicholas Diaz
>This. Marxist evaluation of class and class struggle is an obvious day to day observation. Of course the rich own everything and treat workers as expendable and of course the interests of the two are at odds. The same dichotomy can apply to race. Internationalism is a false song, although at the time it was a more eurocentric atmosphere but those fundamental beliefs morphed into the subversive postmodernist thought of today which seeks to destroy white society. A lot of people have also speculated that Marx was talking about the workers of industrialized Europe when he talked about "workers of the world". Although, I'm not sure how relevant that is considering most modern "communists" believe that the untamed peoples of Africa and the economic "Eternal Jew" (as Niekisch called them) can function in a socialist or communist society. Although it's an interesting historical footnote.
Anthony Sanchez
I do not consider Marx's ideas as salvageable except for his criticism of capitalism. I can't see how nationalism can prevent a socialist state from turning in to a degenerated workers state as was the case with multiple different iterations of Marxist ideas.
Gabriel Ortiz
>I do not consider Marx's ideas as salvageable except for his criticism of capitalism. Most of his ideas are the criticism of capitalism. >I can't see how nationalism can prevent a socialist state from turning in to a degenerated workers state as was the case with multiple different iterations of Marxist ideas. That depends on how you define "degenerated". Was the USSR or Ba'athist Syria any more degenerated than modern western liberalism?
Jace Moore
Point me towards something that is nationalist yet rejects capitalism.
>I think talking about "the right" is a bad idea. I'm talking about the right in general. Ancaps, libertarians, and neocons are always going to embrace capitalism. They are lost sheep. However other people who identify with right-wing politics, it's in their best interest to reform and change. But yes I agree with what you say about nationalism.
>If you believe in capitalism, you're just supporting the jews. The 1% are largely jewish. The majority of capitalists are jews. Exactly, you have to realize capitalism is simply a tool, a vessel that the Jews use to seize power and control over nations. It is a dangerous destructive mechanism and tool that is exploited by Jews. Bolshevism is simply giving power back to the white working class.
Caleb Sullivan
>Marxists who believe in (((Internationalism)))
Thomas Peterson
This particular definition doesn't bother me. I've talked to a lot of tankies who use this definition. When I'm referring to "internationalism" I'm not referring to the spreading of class consciousness but the idea that the nation should not exist. i.e. the idea put forward by many modern liberal "communists".
> I can't see how nationalism can prevent a socialist state from turning in to a degenerated workers state as was the case with multiple different iterations of Marxist ideas.
I agree that it would be difficult, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. I don't read theory, but I'm sure there are some smart people out there with good ideas. I'd argue for some form of federative state, like the one Abdullah Ocalan wrote about.
USSR was a disaster because it existed to take power away from the people. Any functional socialist "system" (let's not say state because a state is not the end goal of marxist point of view)
I'm really a socialist at heart, but I care about my race. If the modern left hadn't sold out the white race as some kind of "oppressors" deserving of colonization, I'd be comfortable with the left but a person's race and ethnic group is the most important level to ensure stability, happiness, and peace. Also blacks are fucking animalistic scum and deserve nuclear fire.
Don't act like the neo-feudal dictatorship of North Korea is anything resembling an ideal. A state where people are enslaved, killed and starved, and imprisoned in political prison camps while their leaders live it up with parties, exotic foreign luxuries while having millions overseas is the exact antithesis of the ideal society. It's fucking escape from new york style despotism over there.
Josiah Cook
>USSR was a disaster
Cameron Robinson
Any functional socialist "system" ought to give power to the people not take it away.
fuck i forgot to finish that sentence
Cooper Phillips
Give it about 5 to 10 minutes.
David Cook
Strasser is not the real deal.
John Murphy
>I'm really a socialist at heart, but I care about my race. If the modern left hadn't sold out the white race as some kind of "oppressors" deserving of colonization, I'd be comfortable with the left but a person's race and ethnic group is the most important level to ensure stability, happiness, and peace. Also blacks are fucking animalistic scum and deserve nuclear fire. On the bright side the umbrella of social nationalism is getting more popular.
Evan Flores
it's easier to go from nothing to something than from something big to something huge
Christopher Baker
The USSR started out as an agrarian feudalistic economy though. The USA started out as more of a merchant economy with a few left over agrarian feudal elements before the end of slavery.
Juan Phillips
Also It's not exactly fair to compare to western countries that had been plunged into the depression. It even stops conveniently at 1933 just before the NSDAP took over in Germany. All in all that chart shows more of USSR's development than being better than the west.
The point is that the USSR trampled on human rights, dignity, and created a cultist dictatorship that betrayed the very revolution that established it. Disgusting.
Charles Ortiz
"Rights" are a myth. You have no rights. You have privileges granted to you by the state. Power comes from the barrel of a gun and whoever has the most guns determines who has "rights" and who does not.
Carson Hall
>rights are a myth All people are deserving of their humanity, dignity and the pursuit of happiness. If you don't believe that you don't deserve your rights.
The state is an institution whose major purpose is to do the bidding of the capitalist class by the enforcement of order onto and oppression of the working class. It's one that people would be better off without.
Ethan Price
I can get down with fascism il duce had some pretty good criticisms of democracy and I don't really believe in the welfare state and fascism benefits those with the power of will to strive for greatness and socialism breeds mediocrity. Yes I care about the white race but I don't care about the entire white race not all people are equal mussolini was right about that. The strong must bond together and forge a strong fascist society to protect the weak but the weak must also play their part. All the fucking meth head loser whites can die off I don't want to save them just because they are white. I also believe in a more libertarian society too where people should not feel pressure to do degenerate things but more feel obligated to make the right proper choice. Meth heads can live and die on their own they don't need my handouts. They are useless to us and if you are a functioning addict good you are still useful especially if speed makes you more productive.
Jacob Carter
I'm almost tempted to adopt Strasserism because of their symbolism.
So fucking aesthetic.
Jacob Taylor
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Landon Smith
They're still not rights if they can be taken away. "Rights" are generally seen to be god given, however, god is an unfalsifiable hypothesis so therefore the justification for "rights" is moot. You can believe in what's right and wrong as well as believe that good people shouldn't be needlessly trampled on but those values are not the same thing as "rights". Do it famalam.
Nolan Bailey
it's almost as if forcing your entire population into borderline slave-labor increases your industrial output....
Jason Williams
he means that rights are carved out of rock by blood. rights don't exist in a vacuum.
Colton Allen
This is a good way to put it.
Eli Cook
those basic human rights are things that all people DESERVE. Not things all people have. The distinction is important to be made.
As for this straw man of "if you don't want to be spied on by the secret police for playing vidya you must also support the transsexual gay black postmodernist scourge"
I think put it very well when user said >" I also believe in a more libertarian society too where people should not feel pressure to do degenerate things but more feel obligated to make the right proper choice."
Of course. But what are you going to do when you're treated as cattle with no way of resisting.
Kayden Nelson
There's nothing wrong with discipline
Lincoln Martin
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Adrian Wright
going to switch flag to nazbol now.
MODS, MAKE STRASSERIST/BLACK FRONT FLAG AVALIABLE OR RIOT kappa
>implying you have any right to force other people to do what you want them to do
>also implying any significant amount of people will support such an order
Jason Nelson
then you don't have rights. animals don't have rights because they can't defend themselves, the only reason why they have any rights at all is because someone with power who can defend themselves also chose to defend the animals too, with force. If whites decided to stop protecting animals tomorrow then animals would not be able to defend themselves and they'd have no champion to defend them for them.
Bentley Martinez
>those basic human rights are things that all people DESERVE. Not things all people have. The distinction is important to be made. What I'm asking you is, where does the justification for "rights" come from if not from God? What is there to guarantee that a right truly is inalienable aside from a constitution? (Which in reality has very little power.)
William Edwards
so if you're some aboriginal people who have no tech, weapons, capital, knowledge then you have no means of defending yourself. The only reason why abos even have rights is because whites say they do.
William Thomas
humans are not animals. humans are sentient beings capable of independent thought beyond subsistence. By that line of reasoning, a woman shouldn't have the expectation that she shouldn't get raped walking down the street because she's too weak to defend herself. By that logic she should just accept rape as an inescapable reality. That is just false. People ought to have an expectation of things they are entitled to by virtue of being. The rights to life, safety, freedom of expression (within reason), and the pursuit of happiness. That's not a radical idea. What is a radical idea is your insinuating that people are not born with inherent human rights. That's absurd.
your basic morality and humanity
fuck abbos. If you're white you ought to fight for your race interests by taking over all the other races and IDK sterilizing them or something. It's the same dynamic as class struggle. They view us as an oppressor so we ought to wipe them out.
Cameron Sullivan
>your basic morality and humanity Define it on a philosophical level senpai. What's moral to one man may be totally immoral to another man and if we go by that definition than we have to agree with "rights" are subjective.
Hudson Brooks
REEEE commies are parasites
Liam Garcia
some rights to things are subjective. most people believe they should not have to live with death hanging over their head or other things.
if 99% (effectively everyone) of people believe a right to not be killed, raped, or displaced, or whatever such a right is not up to be taken away.
>selling out your fellow working man to the capitalist scourge, the source of all degeneracy and the downfall of our civilization
gtfo
Camden Gray
>free markets >degenerate free ethnostate Pick one and only one.
David Rodriguez
>humans are not animals We are VERY MUCH just animals. A lot of mammals are also capable of thoughts and behaviors that go beyond just mere subsistence. Dolphins play with water rings. >a woman shouldn't have the expectation that she shouldn't get raped walking down the street because she's too weak to defend herself Women used to not have the security theyt have today. They had to rely on their fathers, brothers, sons, and husbands to protect them. Everything here is in line with my worldview. The only reason women can go out in public today is because their champions have extend beyond mere family to the entire country. Men in uniform are Her champion now, not just men of the same blood/name. >By that logic she should just accept rape as an inescapable reality She should expect a champion to come rescue her and if no champion comes then it kind of is her fault for not getting champions under her thumb prior to her rape. >That is just false. People ought to have an expectation of things they are entitled to by virtue of being We do have expectation that others will champion for us, but only because of ACTION, not just mere existence. If every human just sat around for all history without developing the civilization and champion society we have today then you'd be correct, but evolution made us champions. >What is a radical idea is your insinuating that people are not born with inherent human rights The only reason why you're born with rights is because powerful humans with access to physical force choose to champion for you. >fuck abbos see what I mean? you choose to not champion for them so you wouldn't use physical force to give them rights. if everyone thought like you then we'd be able to just go out hunting abbos without fear of reprisal from powerful people. abbos would be on their own. same with you if you had no champion. Why do you think orphans/bastards were bullied and taken advantage of? They had no champions.
Christian Jackson
But how do you know that 99% of people are correct? And even if they feel that way, why would it matter if they don't have the balls to take their "rights" from a government who refuses to give them those "rights"? The mob is often wrong about a lot of things famalam. Also what about the 1% of people (not talking about the economic 1%) who may feel their rights are being trampled on by the other 99% of people?
Isaiah Martinez
Women don't get raped while walking down the street, because her husband would likely punish the rapist, if he desires further reproduction. """""rights""""" are defined by law to archieve a collective/state goal, everything not limited by law can be used to archieve personal goals. People just want to avoid punishment, while archieving their goals and minimize it
Connor Kelly
Here we go
Jaxson Ward
>Nationalism without Capitalism neck yourself
Aiden Carter
>implying they're compatible You first.
Brayden Cook
>Implying capitalism cares for borders
Carter Howard
I was agreeing with you. Basically saying capitalism isn't compatible with nationalism.
Austin Thomas
That has to do with what the belief is and what the objective truth is. If it's a scenario where there is only one truth and x% of people are against the truth, they are just plain wrong. But if there's room for debate, it's a different situation.
We are not just animals. We are humans. We are the only species capable of creating such a world as this. We have conquered this planet like no animal could.
>Men in uniform are Her champion now, >women aren't constantly afraid of rape because the police would stop it wow tell me something I don't know
why would the police stop a rape? because at some basic human level basically all of us know that rape is wrong. who are the people who don't fit that group? Rapists.
You act like there is no inherent morality in normal good-meaning people and that there's no reason not to kill, rape, or torture people if you have the ability to. Just because you can do something doesn't mean it's moral. Evaluate ancient religious texts from their secular origin. What are the lessons? Empathy and responsibility. We generally know what the right thing to do is. Our responsibility is to DO the right thing.
The way you write it, there is no reason not to go around killing and raping people and torturing people if you're a big strong "alpha male" who can do whatever. that's fucking retarded and everyone knows it.
Jordan Rogers
>look JEWS, you must be wrong There are Jews on all sides, especially yours.
Tyler Young
the capitalists are largely jews. why would they not support the current order that lets them as capitalists amass so much control and such a large share of the wealth for comparatively nothing in labor?
Liam Gray
Doesn't change the fact that I am right. Look what we have now under capitalism. Outsourcing, open borders, globalization. Does that sound like nationalism to you? >inb4 it's not real capitalism.
Leo Powell
Oh I know, linking to the image since it was related to your pic. Libertarianism is a Jewish cancer
David Jenkins
Fair enough famalam.
Joseph Roberts
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Jason Wilson
>We have conquered this planet like no animal could Wrong. One species conquered the world so completely that it ended up drowning in its own shit. >why stop rape why would you stop your sister from getting raped? >inherent morality the only inherent part of our behaviors is survival and reproduction. If we fail to reproduce our behaviors die with us. It seems that protecting women makes reproduction more likely. >religion I agree that religion came from a ration source. Those behaviors were beneficial to reproduction and survival. >alpha killer That's true though. It's why sovereign nations can wage war against weaker nations. America is that alpha on the global stage and we can do whatever the fuck we want; who is going to stop us? Right don't exist in a vacuum, a weak country needs someone to protect it or it WILL be invaded. It's why treaties exist.
Joseph Ramirez
what has happened
what is this dumb ass shit its almost the communist symbol with the hammer and sickle but now its a hammer and sword
Sup Forums BE IS COMMUNIST NOW WE IZ DEM SOCIALIST N SHIT
Jaxon Wilson
>Nationalism without capitalism, socialism without internationalism
Henry Morgan
>wtf has happened An awakening.
Josiah Jackson
>when your ideology is so shit you larp as the controlled opposition of the superior ideology /leftypol in a nutshell
Josiah Davis
>Superior ideology >Gets BTFO
John Diaz
>poo flag Opinion discarded.
Kevin King
you only won because the odds were against us with a 2 front war
Charles Baker
Maybe you shouldn't have started a 2 front war then and underestimate your enemies :^)
Jordan Flores
>Lose millions of soldiers per battle >Lost thousands of tanks >Get utterly rekt
You won because russians were lambs on a conveyor belt to the slaughterhouse
