James Fields legal discussion

What's going to happen to James Fields in terms of the justice system? Any lawyers want to offer an opinion?

Please, no edgy shit in this topic. I want an actual discussion on how the justice system is going to treat James Fields.

From my understanding, people were hitting his car and threatening him, which caused his actions. Is he likely to be convicted of second degree murder? Is he going to have to pay for these people's medical expenses? What's the legal precedence here for a motorist attempting to flee an angry crowd who kills/injures someone?

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>second degree murder
Care some Burger explain this? What are the exact difference between degrees of murders?

It means if you killed them hard or soft.

Generally my understanding is that first degree murder is premeditated, while second degree is some act of passion in the heat of a moment.

I read that Fields was charged with second degree murder, that seems way too harsh given that an angry crowd was threatening him. If someone smashes a rock on a car windshield, even if it isn't traveling that fast, it could go through the windshield and hit the driver in the head.

I really don't think he has much legal culpability for what happened, given that the angry crowd put him in fear for his well-being.

>First-degree murder: any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought. Felony murder is typically first-degree.

>Second-degree murder: any intentional murder with malice aforethought, but is not premeditated or planned.

>Voluntary manslaughter: (also referred to as third-degree murder), sometimes called a crime of passion murder, is any intentional killing that involves no prior intent to kill, and which was committed under such circumstances that would "cause a reasonable person to become emotionally or mentally disturbed". Both this and second-degree murder are committed on the spot under a spur-of-the-moment choice, but the two differ in the magnitude of the circumstances surrounding the crime. For example, a bar fight that results in death would ordinarily constitute second-degree murder. If that same bar fight stemmed from a discovery of infidelity, however, it may be mitigated to voluntary manslaughter.

>Involuntary manslaughter: (sometimes referred to as fourth-degree murder), a killing that stems from a lack of intention to cause death but involving an intentional, or negligent, act leading to death. A drunk driving-related death is typically involuntary manslaughter (see also vehicular homicide, causing death by dangerous driving, gross negligence manslaughter and causing death by criminal negligence for international equivalents). Note that the "unintentional" element here refers to the lack of intent to bring about the death. All three crimes above feature an intent to kill, whereas involuntary manslaughter is "unintentional", because the killer did not intend for a death to result from his intentional actions. If there is a presence of intention it relates only to the intent to cause a violent act which brings about the death, but not an intention to bring about the death itself.

It could go either way in court, desu. The prosecutor might try to use his family to leverage a plea bargain, though.

Hero!

>What's going to happen to James Fields in terms of the justice system? Any lawyers want to offer an opinion?
It depends on intent and context of the situation.
Involuntary manslaughter could be argued if it can be argued that he feared for his life. This only carries a light prison sentence.

Second degree murder can be plea-bargained down to 20 years, or life in prison if he fights and loses.

The guy is a obvious psyop, look a his facebook that was archive and die, when he is in jail somehow, le pepe, le hitler, le feels and muh dodge, the goal is this: the fbi will frame the altright and this guy, the msm will talk about this to 2 weeks then some rep. will pass a bill to classify the altright as a terrorist group:

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First degree means he was planning and had evidence that he was specifically out to commit the crime.
Second degree means a random act of violence.
Accessory to murder means he assisted in the killing of someone else
Manslaughter is the equivalent of 'I wasn't doing it with murderous intent, but the thing I was doing obviously would have resulted in someone dying, and then my actions resulted in their death'.
Involuntary manslaughter is 'I wasn't doing it with murderous intent, and the thing I was doing wouldn't normally result in someone dying. But someone died as the result of my actions anyway.'

Manslaughter and Involuntary Manslaughter are two very common plea bargains for self defense cases. IE: the "I feared for my life" defense.

Here's the thing though, involuntary manslaughter through negligence still requires intent to commit an action that isn't the murder ie. you intended to drive drunk, you just didn't intend to hit the person.
If there's footage out there of a brick or bat hitting his car just before he accelerates he could argue it was not a voluntary act. (he didn't intend to cause death AND he didn't intend to accelerate)

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There was a tweet by some woman (can't find it and don't know who she is but she had a verified checkmark, a screencap of it was posted here) who said the general opinion of the police are that the driver was active out of fear rather than malice

Obviously it's a different state so the laws may be very different, but the video that went viral a few years ago where a guy drove his SUV through the group motorcyclists who surrounded him in NYC. They weren't even attacking his car, just surrounded it in an aggressive manner. A few people got hit and one was paralyzed from the waist down. The driver was never charged.

The only footage I've seen of this so far is after he was accelerating away. It's also worth noting that if he really wanted to kill a lot of people he should have turned and slammed into the large crowds on the sidewalks instead of hitting the car in front of him.

I think there is a chance he may get off, it all depends on what was happening when he first began to accelerate.

>Capital punishment is a legal penalty in the U.S. state of Virginia.

CHOOO FUCKING CHOOO

NO BRAKES, FAGGOT

Makes no sense. Let's say I point a gun at your head and you feel threatened. If you short me that's self defence. If you, feeling threatened, shoot an innocent bystander there's no self defence.

Regardless the key in murder charges, as opposed to manslaughter, is intent. Did the accused intend to commit a crime, intend to cause harm. 1st degree is premeditated. 2nd is intentional, with malice forethought but not planned. Part of it is the nature of the act and its consequences. For example, if I pull the trigger of a gun and kill you, a resonaoble person would condone that act would be an intent to kill; if I deliberately trip you and you hit your head in a freak way and that kills you, a responsible person may not conclude the act was an intent to kill. That's why some states have 3rd, or voluntary manslaughter, which are crimes of passion or anger when the intent isn't necessarily to kill, but that is the result. Involuntary manslaughter is when the accused kills but did not intend to, or kills through negligence (drunk driving is an example) .

2nd seems to fit the bill.

>Involuntary manslaughter could be argued if it can be argued that he feared for his life


Good luck with that !

he isn't going to be charged at all lmao

didnt some american states pass some law saying you can run protesters over who are on the road

Good luck with that. The video shows self-defense on the part of the crowd. They rush his car AFTER he strikes those in front of him.

that video does what you say. but other videos from a different angle show that the car was hit before and that is what the lawyers will use
this guy is a hero

He is going to get the book thrown at him.
Seriously, this guy is fucked.
He accelerated INTO a crowd on a road that was already blocked by other cars. Even if you are trying to drive away, this is not what you would do.
Then to top it off he reversed out of the area, endangering more people and fleeing the scene of the accident.

This guy is fucked, if you cannot see that you are truly beyond help.

Post them.

>this guy is a hero
Why?

>justice system
Killing niggers and antifa is the real justice

>pay for their medical expenses

I have read that a witness was describing a scrawny white guy with a beard. I think the guy might still get off the hook, since he might be a random bystander

So the best thing he could say is he was scared and panicked?

Yes, and considering antifa is basically defined by destruction of property and violence he would have a good case for it.

Its going to be difficult for the prosecution to make a case when this video shows people actively hitting his windows with baseball bats.

>involuntary man's laughter.
Sounds about right.

Honestly stuff like this really disturbs me.
On one hand you feel bad for the people who got hurt.
On the other hand, you feel strongly that those who held the driver against his will and intimidated him (possibly causing him to fear for his life) bare some serious responsibility for what happened.

The question then becomes... how do we judge those who because of entrapment, intimidation and fear for their life caused by others chose to plow his car through people purposefully blocking him and perhaps a few innocents behind them?

If that man was in a car and another man was holding a gun to his head and told him to drive through the people would be charge that man with a crime?
Is that really any different?

Really confusing.
Part of me feels like under certain circumstances I think he should get off and those who entrapped him should possibly be charged but I just don't know
its a complicated one for sure

When is this mugshot from? He's clearly spotted wearing different clothes on the day of his arrest and during his arrest.

Sup Forums is so smart they first misidentified the assailant as an antifa member, then when that wasn't the case they turned it into a conspiracy, and now are saying he acted out of fear. Sup Forums is delusional this dude is getting life.

Wtf. Ok. This guys a hero. They even chase him forward after the first hit. The cars getting swarmed. Almost ANY maneuver is justified.

>Involuntary Manslaughter
88 confirms.
does seem like the best fit though. hope he won't be thrown to wolves over this. hell, i'm not ever sure he's guilty of that desu

>MFW he gets off scot-free and we see the greatest chimpout since mike brown

>rushing a car that just crashed with a baseball bat
>self defense
How many layers of weed are you on right now?

>Sup Forums is one person
It is not inconsistent or backpedaling if different people are reacting to facts as they emerge.

Why didn't he kill more then? Basically both cuckservatives and libtards are masturbating furiously making up their own narrative before all the facts are even out yet.

love the people attacking the car from behind.

If there's clear footage of him being attacked before he starts accelerating he gets off.
If there's clear footage of him accelerating without being attacked he gets 20+
If there's no clear footage roll the dice and wait a year.

Gonna take a wild guess that he'll be charged with terrorism. Billions of homeland security dollars will now go into monitoring and disrupting 'nazi' ideological groups.

He will obviously go to jail as hes but a stooge. Its so obvious narrative being pushed its not even funny

Did he run over niggers? Soros is really slipping. Nazis running over faggots is a non chimp dispute.

Sup Forums was right

once again

>people have different opinions on things when the facts aren't completely clear
well fuck me, who would have thought that

Yeah, it's gonna be Zimmerman 2.0

We're not saying that's the actual reason he did it, we're saying it could be used as a defense.

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its self defense to rush the crowd with a car since they like your family is anti White.

its self defense to rush when they hit the back of the car since car is standing still after his rush its not self defense of leftist.


in short you are going to get killed nigger

>Makes no sense. Let's say I point a gun at your head and you feel threatened. If you short me that's self defence. If you, feeling threatened, shoot an innocent bystander there's no self defence.

Uhhh dude? The law does cover this, because that does happen in robberies.

When someone robs a store, and the employee attempts to shoot the robber, even if the employee misses and hits someone in the background, the robber gets the legal blame. The robber created the situation in the first place.

Are there any lawyers here or people good with looking up laws? What's the legal precedent for a motorist attempting to flee an angry crowd who kill/injures someone?

I really wouldn't call it second degree murder. That's fuckin' bullshit. It's involuntary manslaughter at best.

all those black block motherfuckers were chasing him

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...yeah, after he rammed into them at speed.

they're going to treat him as a scapegoat. america is furious with white men. he's the perfect person to scapegoat and punish for the collective actions of the alt-right. regardless of whether he is guilty of his charges or not, i suspect he will not be out of prison in a very long time. wont be hard to convict him if he goes to trial.

i dont know if they got off or not but there has been a shitload of protesters hit by car videos coming out of america this year, keep it up because its fucking entertaining

Lawyer will pin it on Stephen King.

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>I think there is a chance he may get off, it all depends on what was happening when he first began to accelerate.

This. But we already got a pretty good look at what happened.

He had a very, very long way toward the crowd including a lot of turns for him to be able to take to avoid it.

i looked at the vid again, you can see someone hit his car before he floors it and you can hear a bang before that but can't really see it.

It's a valid defense if a rational person in his shoes could reasonably have acted as he did. It may get him off if the woman died after he reversed, but if he hit her going in there doesn't seem to be any evidence he was hit with the bats earlier.

Even then, you can lock your car doors and it's going to depend heavily on the court venue situation, probably even moreso than the facts themselves.

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Why do we care again, though? Either it's a false flag, so the trial will be rigged unless we can prove the false flag op existed, or it isn't, and he's just a dumbfuck.

In that case, we should try to focus as little as possible on him and hope he shuts the fuck up, and we should solely focus on the order for police to stand down + the civil rights violations by the mayor/governor.

I think we should compare him to the Dallas shooter, post "why did no one on the left feel beholden to distance themselves from this man when he shot 5 police officers dead", etc, instead of trying to turn doughface here into a martyr and chaining ourselves down with his crimes.

This response is 100% correct. This entire thing was a psyop from the word "go". Wake up newfags, the jews are at full-blown kikery desu!!!!!

It is so

>automobile driver is slamming into pedestrians
>rush car to remove him from vehicle and stop further harm to MORE pedestrians

None, you?

Stop giving any fucks, you cattle
This is a distraction
The actions by TPTB to stop a peaceful rally after it was permitted and backed by the ACLU. This is what's important
The police once again let the left run riot and punished those attending what should have been a peaceful rally
Fuck, I despair sometimes

>well what if I just reframed this case with a stupid analogy that doesn't work because I'm stupid
t. armchair lawyer

>He had a very, very long way toward the crowd including a lot of turns for him to be able to take to avoid it.

This. Plus the guy was at the Nazi rallies. He knew full well there was a counter rally and decided to drive towards it anyways.

>They attacked his car, he panicked
That's not a valid defense. Maybe for fleeing the scene, but he rammed the crowd well before anyone hit the car.

he's innocent.

I heard on the internet one of the protesters was running a pedophilic pizza store out of his trunk. You must acquit!

B R E A K L I G H T S

The media can't talk about anything for 2 weeks. Have you been paying attention?

If he didn't reverse out of the area, the crowd would have smashed into his car and murdered him.

Old fag and natsoc since 2001 here. This entire show is a psyop. This guy is what is called a "crises actor" for false flag attacks designed by jewish men. Wake the fuck up newfags. The jews are committing kikery on levels never seen before. This is designed to de-legitimize the rigtht as well as pit the white race against ourselves. THINK! 1488!

Well he's basically going to get a death sentence, because he's definitely going to jail, and as soon as he gets there some black guy is going to stab him in the throat.

That's not for the reverse that he will be charged, that's for the forward.

There's another video angle that isn't just the ending where you can see a dude throw what looks like a brick or a bottle at his car right before he accelerates into the crowd.

Agreed. A distraction and a psyop full of crises actors

And if he claims to not have seen the car behind the militant protesters already with their clubs and sticks in their hands?

Because blacks in jail care that much about white communist women.

>post video of car flinging 6 gorillion ANTIFA into the gas chambers
>this totally exonerates him bro
Weaponized schizophrenia

So what is the proper response?

You know how these false flags work -- think back to whichever other one you were convinced was also true. The perpetrators give us bits and pieces, either accidentally or on purpose, and as we howl that it's a false flag, most Americans can't parse the evidence or who simply don't care. They then end up thinking we're paranoid and delusional, and morons/infiltrators here amp up the most insane claims as they arise.

Discussing and investigating here is one thing, but when this shit leaks into the mainstream and is then never proven, it's just more "pizzagate tinfoil" to most Americans. It doesn't help us at all.

So back to the question -- what do we do?

Trump is already working on it: We blame the mayor/governor for pulling resources and therefore leaving people unprotected -- on MANY sides.

This course of action turns EVERYONE PRESENT into a victim, and makes the local Democrat government as responsible as the "murderer" himself. It also ensures that the type of bill they want to pass no longer has the right moment, because they have to play defense.

Keep searching for real, hard evidence of a psyop, but until we have it, the proper course of action is to support Trump and Sessions and act surprised people would even consider asking if you "support" what car-guy did.

Should police be blamed for this for not having control of Antifa?

He'll go straight into solitary PC. No death penalty. 10 - 20 years. Less with good behaviour.

I love how they are completely oblivious to the reverse light.

no, but they don't really like white supremacists

He likely didn't see that there road had cars further down. They will argue he should have reversed out rather than sped forward though.

What are the chances that he defintly gets acquited without, so that he does not spend a day in jail?

There is already footages where he was attacked by a mob.

No chance, he is definitely doing time. Even with a plea bargain he will get at least 10 years they are going to make an example out of him to save themselves the rioting.

Ìf a woman in a car would have done that surrounded by angry men would she got away with that?

My good man, saul alinsky tactics work in this situation best. As we have learned from the opposition.


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What I want too know is how did they know it was him? License plate or did he get out of the vehicle? This is my hypothesis it was a self driving car that hit those people and they framed the white man.

>All these people saying it was a psyop

I said no edgy shit you fucking conspiracy theorists.

This topic is for discussing what happens if a motorist is threatened by an angry crowd and kills/injures someone while attempting to flee.

>he will get at least 10 years they are going to make an example out of him to save themselves the rioting.
thats not how the justice system works mate

he ran over at least one- pic related- leaving him in a reverse planking maneuver with a look on his face that betrayed a sudden cognitive ability to reassess his life choices and perhaps even the very nature of Gibs themselves.

This guy absolutely needs to get free. Just imagine the absolute state of asshurt and further acceleration of the race war if, that would happen.

>What are the chances that he defintly gets acquited

Good. All it takes is one juror out of twelve that is sick of commies.

He's definitely getting the death penalty. 100% Nice attack level premeditation going on.

They violated the nap, retard.

faggot shouldnt have been there in the first place. why the fuck he bring his car and why drive in the streets where there are protestors.

and if this is the cause you believe in, knowing what the jewnews does he should have sacrificed himself. let himself be stoned by those Antifa cucks to become a martyr

Weak minded fucker. if you live by the meme you should die by the meme

Can someone post a slow motion version of any of the angles so we can analyze the vehicle of possible damage from before he accelerated?

That's how it works in the US you faggot. Haven't you got a faggot postal vote to jerk off into?

he has to say one thing "I feared for my life" and he'll be free