Why does Sup Forums continue to hold on to the outright lie about "cultural Marxism" being a thing that was orchestrated by the Frankfurt School and USSR and is behind the alleged "fall" of the West? There is no evidence for any of this, and when confronted to provide evidence Sup Forums evades the entire conversation by pointing to the fact that the Frankfurt School was Jewish (despite also blaming Antonio Gramsci who was an ethnic Albanian and not Jewish at all).
>the truth The truth is that the Franks were social conservatives who were as much against what western culture had become as Sup Forums, except they pinpointed the problem as capitalism and the failure of the Enlightenment rather than "da jooooz".
Liam Wood
You tried this during Gamergate too.
Didn't work then either.
Colton Lopez
When these academics used the term "cultural Marxism" they did NOT mean "political correctness" or whatever the fuck the right likes to use the term for.
Lincoln Cruz
The cultural Marxism meme and its origins in the Frankfurt School is slightly overblown but there's some nuggets of truth to it. Figures like Herbert Marcuse certainly had a role to play in radicalising the 1960s student generation with far left ideas but other theorists like Adorno were just grumpy old men dissatisfied with the culture industry.
Put your commie/anarchist flag on, you fucking kike shill.
sage
Nolan Brown
Marcuse had very little influence beyond the blip during the 60s. No one on the Left today gives Marcuse much credit or uses him as an influence.
Juan Martin
>some nuggets of truth
Find one part of this which isnt plainly obvious to see in our society. This is a kike shill thread and anyone denying cultural marxism is a marxist who does not believe in objective truth. They only believe in deception and trickery, not real factual standpoints. Whatever they can trick people into believing is as good as fact, and therefore you might as well just consider it all brainwashing designed to trick you out of factual objective beliefs.
Leftists political opinions are invalid on their face because they are predicated on a false perception of reality. "Hands up dont shoot" when Mike Brown was shot downwards into his torso, while charging head first at the cop, and had actually put his hand prints on the cops gun, because he tried to wrestle it out of his hands.
So, the entire group of leftists in videos you see chanting "hands up dont shoot" are really chanting "Were a bunch of lying cultural marxists who use false narratives to trick people into believing our agenda, we want to turn a criminal into a victim and start an entire controversy over something that NEVER FUCKING HAPPENED"
Lucas King
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Ian Rodriguez
>hurr what is critical theory what is the authoritarian personality
leftists are too dumb to live.
Oliver Evans
Adorno had very little to do with that text. Most of the essays were penned by Levinson, a Berkeley psychologist who had nothing to do with the Franks.
Ryan Barnes
Nail em to the wall.
Benjamin Cook
FYI the Unabomber was influenced by Marcuse. Parts of his Manifesto sound identical to One-Dimensional Man.
Christopher Barnes
>Adorno had very little to do with that text.
Source: Your Ass
Horkheimer literally founded critical theory
Derrida (not Frankfurt but still a post-modernist Jew) founded deconstructionism
Claude-Levi Strauss founded structuralism which demanded all humans be considered entirely equal.
The only failure of the "Frankfurt school" hypothesis is that it's not remotely expansive enough. There were far more kikes ruining society than just one school.
Robert Gonzalez
Anyone who knows anything about Adorno and his thought knows that The Authoritarian Personality is NOT representative of it.
>Horkheimer literally founded critical theory Critical Theory is not what you think.
>Derrida (not Frankfurt but still a post-modernist Jew) founded deconstructionism True but he was influenced by Nietzsche and Heidegger, certainly not Jews.
Wyatt Campbell
Cultural Marxism sounds like natural capitalism degeneracy phenomena
Gabriel Green
>*copies Jacques Ellul's techno-criticism* >fills it out with muh leftist and muh natural competition and other dumb and edgy platitudes
How sad.
Aaron Cooper
>we're having this conversation using only my very specific definition, not the commonly accpeted ones
Jace Jenkins
Most of what Sup Forums blames on "cultural Marxism" is actually the result of capitalism in decay, i.e. mass migration caused by neoliberalism, confusion over identity.
Daniel Price
>what is critical theory >what is franks arguing against nationalism and racial identity
kys leftypol fuck
Gabriel Baker
sage. This leaf has been trying to shill his bullshit for months.
Colton Morris
>>what is franks arguing against nationalism and racial identity
Of course they were critical of fascism, dipshit. They were all refugees from Nazi Germany.
Jordan Long
>Anyone who knows anything about Adorno
source: your ass
>Critical Theory is not what you think.
Critical theory is just Marxism
>influenced by Nietzsche and Heidegger,
He was primarily influenced by Husserl the founder of phenomenology who was jewish. His other main influence was just Marxism.
It's a stupid hill to die on
but leftypol was never that bright
Aiden Brown
>Anyone who knows anything kys
>Critical Theory is not what you think. kys again
William Perry
Capitalism in decay is a stage of communism, according to Marx, you should know this seeing as you have been trying to shill your ideology for months now.
Oliver Bailey
>refugees from Nazi Germany
Removing radical jewish communists is generally a good idea unless you want a bloody genocidal communist revolution on your hands
Cooper Martinez
>source: your ass
No. I've actually read Adorno. I think Sup Forums would like pic related if they could comprehend anything over a third-grade reading level.
>Critical theory is just Marxism
The Franks were all critical of Marxism in their own way.
Jason Sanders
Nice arguments.
Joseph Walker
>tfw Adorno died by gullible 68'ers
>For the summer semester Adorno planned a lecture course entitled "An Introduction to Dialectical Thinking," as well as a seminar on the dialectics of subject and object. But at the first lecture Adorno's attempt to open up the lecture and invite questions whenever they arose degenerated into a disruption from which he quickly fled: after a student wrote on the blackboard "If Adorno is left in peace, capitalism will never cease," three women students approached the lectern, bared their breasts and scattered flower petals over his head. Yet Adorno continued to resist blanket condemnations of the protest movement which would have only strengthened the conservative thesis according to which political irrationalism was the result of Adorno's teaching. After further disruptions to his lectures, Adorno canceled the lectures for the rest of the seminar, continuing only with his philosophy seminar. In the summer of 1969, weary from these activities, Adorno returned once again to Zermatt, Switzerland, at the foot of Matterhorn to restore his strength. On August 6 he died of a heart attack.
RIP
Samuel Collins
Fuck off shill
Christopher Parker
Rate my recent picks, leftie-senpai
Anthony Harris
Your video doesn't say shit. It doesn't mention any of the theories we know these people invented, that are still used today. Instead he takes 15 minues to ramp up to a retarded semantics arguments basically saying "marx didn't talk about culture so you can't call it marxist", and then strawmans the right.
You've proven in this thread that you're nothing but another brainwashed leftists who thinks he's smart, but cannot come to a common understanding with someone else in order to have real discussion with them. This is a common problem I notice with you people. You're so far gone, that you can't communicate, and you've been convinced the reason is that you're above everyone. The guy in the video even said "Karl Marx and his teachings" like he's some religious leader. If I were you, I would take a good hard look at yourself and try understand whats happening to you, but you probably won't do that because if you had the ability to self reflect you wouldn't be a commie in the first place.
Thomas Martinez
>I've actually read Adorno.
so your source is your ass, again
>The Franks were all critical of Marxism
But they were still Marxists
Oliver Smith
still waiting for you to provide an argument that isn't a bad youtube video or "anybody who knows anything"
Austin Lee
Yes. That's perhaps the greatest irony in this entire situation.
John Taylor
>he reads the yuppie-philosopher
Jackson Peterson
You clearly have no idea what structuralism is, shut your stupid nigger mouth
Juan Ramirez
I didn't make either of those videos.
The Franks were never unified in their theories, they debated with each other all the time (i.e. Horkheimer didn't like all the theological stuff in Benjamin's works, Adorno didn't quite much like Marcuse, Fromm left the institute early on for creative differences). Maybe you should ACTUALLY READ THESE PEOPLE before calling a conspiracy.
Again, nothing you're saying is an actual arguement to what is happening. Their theories are being applied in sociology and even fields of science and are leaking out of our corrupt universities. Them arguing with eachother sometimes does not change that.
Jordan Green
Derrida is a direct heir of Heidegger, just that instead of deconstructing Western metaphysics he deconstructs literary theory. Heidegger's anti-semitism can't fully be dislocated from his philosophical system. Judaism is technicity and so on.
The term postmodernist is useless.
Horkheimer is critical of how "reason" is deployed in the service of instrumentality.
Jacob Robinson
p-pls no bully ;_;
Aiden Garcia
Derrida was a pretty Jewish thinker though.
Brandon Bailey
>The kike became a victim of the mosnter he helped to create
HAHAHAHA
Hunter Moore
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Anthony Ward
itt zero readers of Dialectic of Enlightenment
Oliver Russell
Sort of I guess. He was zionist and wrote a lot about the Old Testament.
Didn't circumcise his sons.
Levi Sanchez
Adorno didn't "help create" the New Left by any means.
Ryder Rodriguez
explain the rapid degeneration of societal values and structures if not an active agenda
Jacob Peterson
It's capitalism.
Andrew Flores
>when faced with an actual argument, the communist ignores it to make more non arguments, hoping to trap other low iq children in his net
Mason Collins
Values died before Adorno and Horkheimer came along, they just noted it and tried to explain it.
Jordan Morales
What "actual argument"? No one has been able to provide any evidence that the Frankfurt School was deliberately orchestrating a Marxist-influenced cultural decline.
Jayden Johnson
>believing a few philosophers are so powerful they can change western society forever >believing this while never having read one single word by said philosophers I mean, it's common knowledge the alt right is pants down retarded and illiterate (see Spencer's laughable interpretation of Nietzsche) but this just beats all previous retardation.
But obviously I'm a jewish kike shill who has nothing better to do then argue with anti-intellectuals on the internet.
David Lewis
>its le porky >leaf
Leftypol shill detected. Thread discarded.
Juan Reed
t. Frog in denial
He was a "direct" heir of Husserl
Sebastian Robinson
>hurr what is media/finance
every parasitic sector of the economy is dominated by Jews and has been for centuries. They use their domination of the media to shill for kike philosophies.
Lucas Cox
Interesting books for you
Postmodernism or the cultural logic of late capitalism The Culture of Narcissism Democracy in America
Nicholas Cooper
Merci mon ami.
Hudson Lopez
If you can't be bothered to put actual correct definitions behind words, you probably shouldn't be trying to engage people in debate and go mix concrete instead
Asher Carter
*by your own definition Account for the fact that their theories are in rampant use today, especially in the social sciences.
Ian Ward
also i wrote that because you didn't respond to me here:
Liam Hall
Have you ever read Critical Theory? Of course you haven't. It is a far cry from the neoliberal status quo defended in the mainstream media. You pull this shit out of your ass, but it doesn't matter. Conspiracies like this make simpletons like you understand the world better. If you had any brain you would pick up Adorno's books and see if the conspiracies on the internet are true. But you would rather live in your comfy fictional hyperreality where your simple wordview calms you down when you're scared.
Jack Flores
It's a pretty basic definition of structuralism
But go ahead and continue living in denial.
>go mix concrete instead
kek
typical anti working class leftist
Levi Thomas
They accurately describe the what's and why's of the devastation of the modern world? At least A&H do. What theories in particular are you talking about?
Jackson Reyes
>just read a book the classic commie defense
Daniel Rogers
Universities are part of the market too.
People with money has access to universities just like anyone else. or probably more, they had enough leverage to turn any theory produced inside the academia into a market value, in order to make money.
You can't blame the people that opposes the market as the ultimate lords of what the market does.
Josiah Mitchell
You're tipping your hand here
Charles Nelson
>critical theory >deconstructionism >accurately describe the what's and why's of the devastation of the modern world lmao commie scum just leave
Levi Bell
Just try the first two chapters of Dialectic of Enlightenment. It's 63 pages. Can you manage that or is your max about a nine minute video?
Chase Diaz
No, the academy has little regard for the Franks. Everything is POST-STRUCTURALIST now.
Lucas Scott
universities are sponsored and enforced by the state.
The fact that I have never seen a communist able to articulate an argument is NOT me tipping my hand. Every time you faggots are faced with an argument you say "no just read our master's words, they'll convince you like they did us". It's more evidence that you're retarded and don't actually understand what's happening, you're just mouthing the words of dead, cursed men who have done their best to destroy our world.
Jeremiah Richardson
>a communist telling straight faced lies imagine my shock
Jace Bell
Jaffe Memo
Dominic Young
Deconstructionism it's not a marxist theory, decontructionism it's a force of nature.
No ideology or aspect of human intellectual construction it's safe from it, the right does the same intellectual nitpicking that the left does, it's not a political stance, but a natural development of a normal brain.
People question things.
Jace Powell
>Have you ever read Critical Theory? Of course you haven't. It is a far cry from the neoliberal status
That's hilarious
That's like saying
>hurr Stalin's USSR is a far cry from muh communist manifesto therefore #nottruecommunists
Maybe the implementation of Critical Theory just results in neoliberalism regardless of the left's retarded, self defeating intentions.
Austin Torres
You can also suck a dick, whatever you're most skilled at Just leave lay down abstract thinking, it's obviously not in your genes to be any proficient at it
Camden Ross
>marx didn't say it so it's not marxist oh wow just like OP's video These not being """Marxist""" ideas for whatever reasons you can come up with, doesn't mean they don't exist and are not effecting the world. Fucking commies only trying to trip you up with semantics, never actually addressing an argument. And these cultural marxist theories are not a natural development of a normal brain, they are a tumor
Matthew Mitchell
>leftist feigning belief in genetics
nice try
Dylan Gray
This reminds me of aron ra's argument about feminism means equality for the genders... That is to say it's bunk gabbagook
Jonathan Nelson
The only argument you've put forward is that anybody you disagree with is a communist or a Marxist with a side of "prove it but no, I won't examine the evidence you provide"
Luis Roberts
The state it's also formed by private individuals, it's not a magic all reaching institution, no matter what marxists believe.
Therefore the actions of the state has to be judged as the actions of particular individuals with interests that reflect their own.
Being critical of the status quo will always be a thing, the same way you are questioning the role of academia, the first marxists questioned their own hegemonic culture, not because you oppose marxists means that you are doing anything different from them, you just oppose individuals.
Luis Roberts
I would say a significant goal of the NWO types in 20th century was the complete eradication of communism, so probably unlikely they're all secret commies...
Chase Johnson
The neon signs which hang over our cities and outshine the natural light of the night with their own are comets presaging the natural disaster of society, its frozen death.
Zachary Perez
>communists lying agin Are you intentionally lying or are you too stupid to understand? Here's some of my arguments not a single one of the 3-4 commies I'm juggling right now has been able to accurately account for:
Charles Phillips
How would you know your criticisms of the Franks and their projects are accurate if you haven't bothered to read their works?
Adrian Scott
wtf I hate electricity now
Michael Smith
So your big argument is that academics work in academia, and that people discuss Marx the and Frankfurt School. Also, the social sciences are bad.
Owen Turner
>the state is now the private market because individuals make it up You crossed wires at some point in there.
"""deconstructionsim""" as it is defined and is used, is more than just critical of the status quo. Deconstructionists are at this point outright denying basic sexual biology, are you telling me they're simply "being critical of the status quo"?
James Martinez
there's plenty of jewish crimes against humanity to go around Shlomo, stop wasting your time.
Benjamin Nguyen
I've read enough to know it's just Marxism
Colton Phillips
So far, your main argument is that those theories are popular in social sciences departments. Come back to us when those guys are running banks and governments
Tyler James
The only argument any communist itt has attempted to provide for me to prove that the idea of "cultural marxism" does not exist is that 1. these people had different ideas and disagreed sometimes 2. It's not actually marxist I challenged these ideas by saying that 1. it doesn't matter if they disagreed sometimes, their ideas live on and infect us still 2. the connection to marx is fairly obvious and a useless semantics argument at this point and no communist has even attempted to refute this, except by telling me to "read a book"
Yes, it's just regular critique done at academic level, no matter what ideological trench you choose, the more you research into the topics the more you will clash in the same landmarks, as an individual you are free to believe in whatever world complexion you wish, but as the result of human interactions, you have marketshare and this means money takes the front seat.
Gavin Thompson
Also, look at the videos I posted to get a better impression of the Franks: The second one mentions the ((((Joooz)))).
