/rcg/ -- Radical Centrism General

Welcome to /rcg/!
This is a general for the discussion of all things relating to radical centrism

Welcome: Radical centrists and people open to radical centrist thought
Not welcome: Right-wingers, left-wingers, communists, fascists, Nazis, SJWs, etc


LINKS:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_centrism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrism
www.centristproject.org
www.amazon.co.uk/Centrist-Manifesto-Charles-Wheelan-x/dp/0393346870
www.uscentrist.org
www.mensa.org
pewresearch.org/
aeaweb.org/journals/aer
investopedia.com/
econlib.org/library/Columns/y2010/Sumnerneoliberalism.html

NOTABLE RADICAL CENTRISTS:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Jacobs
en.wikipedia.org/Barack_Obama
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/hCIc5ymZai4
gregmankiw.blogspot.com.br/2009/02/news-flash-economists-agree.html
ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty/
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/03/pinker-explains-the-long-peace/
youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo
twitter.com/NSFWRedditVideo

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You are not alone boyo.

What the hell is radical centrism? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Honestly thought Macron would be a total cuck.
He's still a cuck but he's surprised me.

post meeems

>everybody is stupid but me

lol you get the bullet too

Business should be allowed to hire who they want, but workers should be allowed to form unions.

Thank you for making this

Bullet me then, pussy. Turns out I can fire a gun AND believe in abortion.

Fucking weird, right?

>Son of Jupiter
>bogpilled
>too intelligent to talk to media

>cuck

sounds good

Free market(no gov't) --- crony capitalism(some gov't) --- socialism (total gov't)
CENTRISTS ARE CRONIES!

THE WEST MUST BE SAVED!

RESTORE YOUR PRIDE, RESTORE YOUR CULTURE!!

STATES RIGHTS!! youtu.be/hCIc5ymZai4 [Open]

CUT EPA!!


CUT DEP OF ED!!


MAGA

Heil Merkel

Heil Tredeau

Heil Marcon

For Money and Reason!

BRING BACK THE TPP
>BRING BACK THE TPP
BRING BACK THE TPP
>BRING BACK THE TPP
BRING BACK THE TPP
>BRING BACK THE TPP

Merkel is an opportunist crypto-populist.

>jewed
>meme'd
>autistic

t. cuck

Idealism without illusions, kiddo.

>Radical SELLOUT General

Why do you hate the global poor?

Who are some centrist philosophers to read? Kant and Locke?

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cool. thx. Whats your opinions on center- (left/right politics) Good or bad?

>he thinks centrism means being apathetic.

What does radical centrism say on the subject of
>more extreme = faster progress
?

The idea that having a pendulum swing between left/right, with each being pushed by their extremism to achieve some goals until they push too far, piss off enough people and inevitably cause their own counter-movements, being the faster way of achieving the more widely accepted demands as oppose to seeking consensus among the majority of parties directly.

I've became center/center-right after realizing that too many position on the Trump and Sanders side were too much feels based rather than actual facts. I still kinda like Ted Cruz despite some of his positions being fucking horrible. SJWs are a problem but are really overexagerated by people on this board, hence why you always see the same half dozen SJWs being posted here. To me market is a means to an end, not the end itself, so capitalism must be preserved but not idolized. Immigration is a net gain to the country if done in a moderate and controlled way. Minimum wage must be abolished. Populism is cancer. Inequality isn't bad as long as we curb poverty. Protectionism is almost ways bad.

Some other "almost" consensus on the center, from economists:
gregmankiw.blogspot.com.br/2009/02/news-flash-economists-agree.html

NO BAD GOY. TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS MEANS WE ALL GET THE BENEFITS OF INCREASED WEALTH. UNIONS ARE FOR GOMMIES

Relevant?:
ourworldindata.org/extreme-poverty/
news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/03/pinker-explains-the-long-peace/
youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

radical centrism is the final redpill. Would you classify guys like Ben Shapiro as rad cent or more center right?

I don't mind the extremists, their actions tend to fortify the center. If not for them in our society, Jupiter Macron would have never been elected, and some other moderate right or lefty would have got it. Extremists are a necessary evil.

((((TRICKLE DOWN)))) IS NOT /RAD-CENTER APPROVED/

center-right to right.

Centrism wins once again. Feels great being on the right side, desu

>tfw centrism has to defend itself from attack from both sides

you are a total faggot, you will never be review brah caliber

this picture pisses me off so much. Nothing shows who's an economically illiterate retard like showing that picture. Hey dumbass, WHERES THE WINE COME FROM?

FUCKING LEAF

KYS KEKLORD

Ben Shapiro is a pretty solid center-right/libertarian right. Maybe only a rad-center if we consider only his economic views, but that may be a stretch.

He is a good dude, but kinda too much principle based rather than pragmatic/evidence based.

Centrists are liars. They usually always vote one party.

>always vote one party
Thats for filthy communists and NEET-socs only

>SJWs ... are really overexagerated ... the same half dozen
small groups of loud extremists can represent large movements. What would you need to see before calling SJWs a serious problem?

>but not idolized
What should, in your opinion, be idolized?

>Immigration is a net gain ... if done in moderate and controlled way
Is this not accomplished by requiring said immigrants to provide value to society?

>Minimum wage should be abolished
How would you deal with full-time wages being lower than living costs?

>Populism is cancer
>curb poverty
Do you not see this is a contradiction?

>Protectionism is almost always bad
>almost always
when do you consider it good/ useful?

Definitely not a Communist. Guess that makes me a NEET-soc, which I am guessing is an imitation Nazi? Sure! I'm not a racist.

youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

Voted for Obongo in 2008, since Palin and that fucking warmonger McCain were just fucking atrocious, then Romney in 2012, since it turns out the black man was a warmonger and wall street sellout too. Strict party lines are for literal, unapologetic faggots. Don't compromise your ideals to appease this dumbass false dichotomy of "You're either with us, or you're the enemy."

God, he even looks like Goebbels

What would you say to the idea that uniting under and sticking to one purpose leads to more quickly achieving said purpose? Alternatively, switching focus causes inefficiency.

You virtue-signalling cuckold.
You voted for Obama over McCain, yet voted for Romney because Obama was too war-mongering?

I voted McCain because he is a war-hero, instead of Obama the first time, and opted out of voting for Romney because he is a bona-fide pussy.

Do you call yourself a Libertarian as well?

it's a shame Trump is also a warmonger too.

Fuck this gay earth.

>You virtue-signalling cuckold.

>I voted McCain because he is a war-hero
Is that a rational criteria/worthy (of leadership) accomplishment, in your opinion?

I used to always say I was a left leaning centrist but I actually think after checking a few of these links that I might be a radical centrist.

You've given me a lot of homework, thanks.

Nothing like wrapping yourself up in comfort to keep your ideas free from critical thought. Of course we're headed into degeneracy.

Absolutely. Do you have a better criteria?

War hero does not equal proficient leader of the free world. I was paying my dues to the military during those years, I saw what an embarrassing debacle the Iraq war was, and I was not keen on more of that. Granted Obama did a masterstroke of talking the talk, but not walking the walk, but at least he had the decency to put up the smoke and mirrors like Trump did.

And Romney was more of a protest vote than anything. I knew that Mormon fuck had no chance, but Obama sold out so hard that he needed way more clap backs then he got.

>economically illiterate retard
How does it feel to disagree with almost every economist, including Republican ones? Trickle-down is literally the original "good goyim" policy.

>before calling SJWs a serious problem?
That may be a problem to answer as I don't know what you would call an SJW. Gamergate stuff, for an example, are pretty much a non-problem to me.

>What should, in your opinion, be idolized?
Nothing, thats the thing.

>Is this not accomplished by requiring said immigrants to provide value to society?
You don't even need to "require" it. They boost the productivity, GDP, new jobs, new consumers, reduces costs, and unlike people on this board believe, people don't want to live their entire lives on a shitty welfare check. People do want work, and create households, wealth, etc.

>How would you deal with full-time wages being lower than living costs?
There would be a UBI/Negative Income Tax, but pragmatically I don't push for that in the current climate, and neither of these are necesarily a critical change to me. High minimum wages federally are retarded on diverse countries like the US also, fighting that is more import to me than straight abolishing it.

>Do you not see this is a contradiction?
Not really. The real populism doesn't come from the people against poverty, but rather the inequality based folks, like Bernie Sanders, that ran half of his entire campaign on this talkpoint, and people loved it.

>when do you consider it good/ useful?
Adam smith recognized national security concerns as a reason for some protectionism, but even then its kinda limited. Example are things like Energy, Oil, etc.

>I voted McCain because he is a war-hero
The fuck

It's not unreasonable to assume someone who is capable of surviving a war and actually distinguishing himself within it would be a good leader

unfortunately they also give the "war hero" treatment to self-sacrificing naive people and brave idiots which make for terrible leaders

I'm not offering a counter, merely inquiring as to why you consider it a good choice to broaden perspective, you may have a valid point, if you make it

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Radical centrism? Or just liberalism with a flashy new label? It's already been done, it's called the 'third way', now gtfo.

You sound like a bitch-made pussy. Afraid to pick up arms and defeat the enemy. Who cares, even if it is primarily for profit, if we invade a country and try to establish some order?

People like you breed and produce worse individuals than we have. Automation will be our cure.

Yup. Relatively speaking, prior to him we had no legitimate war heros in several decades.

Is this authoritarian social democracy or social liberal thread?

> Merkel is an opportunist crypto-populist
Don't use fancy sounding words you don't understand, son.

The wine is produced by the workers, not the owners of the means of production - but yeah, the picture sucks and so does anyone who shares it.

>Radical centrist is just a leftist who's too scared to admit it

>you may have a valid point, if you make it

The fact that he was captured and tortured and later released played well in my head. I didn't realize he was an Admiral's son and that he received favorable treatment when he was enlisted, nor that he sung like a snitch, nor that he was likely responsible for the lives of over 100 sailors when he wet start a jet on an aircraft carrier. Hindsight is 20/20, but I still think he would have done a better job than that Communist, tranny-loving, faggot, Obama.

>Centrist cucks, communists and facists are too retarded to be enlightened technocratic integralist trade-unionist traditionalists

Pathetic

Well, McCain is a good Republican compared to the rest, just voting "because" he was an war hero that was weird to me.

>new label
Go back to Charlottesville, buddy

Never trust socdems.

We don't need your disinformation, commie.

Radical centrism is the new way forward, you can either adapt or get left behind.

But I'm not a socdem.

Are you the faggots that are pulling the

>I'm better than all of you because I'm in the middle

All over the internet?

>tfw when you are so deep in your ideology that you activelly look for biases to tell everyone else is a leftist

Socdems are a bit okay for now, but they better be gone when the day of the rope arrives.

>gamergate stuff ... non-problem
I wasn't /that/ informed but afiak it was related to a collusion among major industry-media leaders to manipulate public opinion. That sounds serious to me

>nothing should be idolized
sounds like anarchy to me, not efficient
people are good with "higher power" motivators, historically
What of morals? decency? freedom? not specific ways of attaining/ keeping them but merely the ideals themselves?

>people do want to work
what people want and what people /do/ is often (usually) very different
How would you help those with low self-motivation?

>minimum wage bad
>UBI good but not right now
fairly reasonable
Should immigrants be given UBI?

>populism has been hijacked by socialists/ communists
but what of populism proper? Poor people are very much ordinary folk who have fallen on hard times. Free handouts are unlikely to motivate them to self-improvement but w/o help they face an uphill battle. Suggestions?

>Examples of good protectionism (kinda)
>energy
The US congress sanctions against Russian energy that would affect European countries is (according to many) a thinly-veiled ploy to secure US dominance in the energy sector
Is this an appropriate level of protectionism?

White nationalists are pretty stupid but so are SJWs, I think. You know, you just gotta realize both sides are equally bad when you really use logic to reach your conclusions instead of emotions. We could use more rational people making decisions in the world. Hell, we could use more rational people on THIS board. I see a lot of hateful stuff from time to time and let me just tell you, do you know how stupid you look? Pretty moronic, in fact.

I'M NOT A DAMN SOCDEM REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>surviving torture is an achievement
sure, but it doesn't make you a good... anything

>played well in my head
isn't voting according to feeling literally how democracy in US turned into a popularity contest which (many agree) is terrible?

>isn't voting according to feeling literally how democracy in US turned into a popularity contest which (many agree) is terrible?

Absolutely, but there are scenarios that are preferable. For example, one where an individual shows actual courage in his past is better than one where an individual grew up in privilege and was borderline gay.

>showing courage
>experience severe trauma
flat better than
>grew up in privilege
>receive highest level of standards

That's a tough sell m8

Okay you have sold me on this. I fucking hate ANTIFA but i cannot endorse the coonery of the Alt right. Where do i begin.

>receive highest level of standards

Except you failed to mention who looked like a straight faggot. Unless perhaps that is a benefit in your book, as you are not American and prefer a weak America.

Centrists are fence-sitting fuckwits

If you're about to start speaking, but first you scrunch up your face and loudly shit in your pants before uttering one word, you don't have a lot of room to criticize the folks who rightly walk away from you.

History doesn't have a proud pantheon of diaperbabies with revolutionary ideas.

I fucking can't stand them either. They are worse than Commies, and they usually are.

>Instructs me on anything
>Is a legit faggot

I (and most of the world) would prefer a more "team-player" America (over a "dictator" America)

The faggot part is pretty bad if you group him with those attention-whore faggots
"modest gays" are usually fairly empathetic
Shame the nigger sold out, that really killed him for me

Wow nice thread OP is off sucking a box of dick i take it.

you didn't hear? sucking boxed dick is in this fall

>Emmanuel Macron's popularity falls faster than any French president ever

>a collusion among major industry-media leaders to manipulate public opinion
No, thats bullshit. I probably side with the Gamergater folks, but that description may be one of the things this board overreacts and that you ended up believing.

>morals? decency? freedom? not specific ways of attaining/ keeping them but merely the ideals themselves?
Thats more of a social contract thing. Thats kind of what Libertarian do with the NAP, but much more reaching, involving taxes, crime laws, etc. By idolizing I meant not going to extremes in like Ancaps do with capitalism. Capitalism, freedom, etc, are good, but I wouldnt support child prostitution markets per example.

>help those with low self-motivation?
Well, there's nothing wrong in not working, you just have to live with a shitty government check to live your life. Radical Centrism is generally in favour of a reduced welfare state, or even abolishing it in favour of a NIT/UBI we talked about before. Macron, per example, is one of them in regards to shrinking the welfare state. Economists generally believe that should be done aswell.

>Should immigrants be given UBI?
Sure. High skilled workers will rarely depend on welfare anyway, and the lower skilled ones will be new consumers in this economy just as well as everyone. The main anti-immigration memes from the last times came from the Refugee Crisis, people on here need to understand that this is an extraordinary event, and even in Germany, per example, the economy is operating an a surplus despite all their refugees. Lauren Southern and etc, like to name some economists that are immigration "skeptics" but ignore that even they are saying that immigration is a net gain for the economy.

>populism
Populism for me is pretty much empty promises that fall on desperate ears. Ex: Trump telling that he is going to bring back manufacturing jobs from China to USA, when in reality even China itself is losing those jobs to manufacturing. (continuing in next post)

>radical centrism
No such thing.

>centralized country
>works because locals keep local while government handles coordination
>let's help those who disrupt/ harass locals
>oh no, my country hates me

how can centrism possibly be radical you faggot

>Shame the nigger sold out, that really killed him for me

Honestly, I had zero issues with him being black or looking effeminate, that is why I opted out of voting when McCain ran. The Republican party found a way to run a more weaker candidate than the Democrat party. It was unbelievable! To be honest, America is blood-thirsty, and I love it. We're an empire, and we have a lot of interests world-wide, so we must rule with a sword, and be ready to use it often, and as violently as possible. His dronings didn't really bother me so much as his transgender bathrool policies and his racist stance with supporting Black Lives Matters. In addition to racking up the debt higher than any other previous president, negligible growth (what can be expected, he wasn't smart), low home ownership rates, high poverty rates, high unemployment numbers, high food stamp rates, and just being a general demagogue and virtue-signally faggot. Also, finding out that Michelle is a transvestite and that he consumed crack cocaine and received fellatio from men was an eye-opener.

>I opted out of voting when McCain ran

Meant to say "I opted out of voting when Romney ran"

>I opted out of voting when McCain ran

Meant to say "I opted out of voting when Romney ran"

>populism
Another example is Le Pen telling coal miners that their jobs would be back, while Macron straight up told them to their faces that their jobs unfortunately would never be back, and got booed.

>Is this an appropriate level of protectionism?
For the current climate, no not really. It is very common in times of war, maybe when it occurs that may be justifiable.

For the memers here, I do not think "muh both sides are equals" or some other shit you nigs think centrists believe. I fucken hate communists more than I hate the alt-right right now

>even China itself is losing those jobs to AUTOMATION

Fixed.

As a fascist I rate this thread 6,000,000/10!