Enough of the swastika. It is time to adopt the flag

Using Natsoc imagery because the MSM is going to call you a Nazi regardless is retard logic. We are not trying to appeal to the media for ratings, we are trying to appeal to the sleeping normal whites, and Nazi chants/imagery is not going to accomplish that. The smartest symbol to use is the American flag and aesthetic. The founders would have stood side by side with us, and it is our job to take back the American flag from leftist subversion. The moment it is flown in large numbers at a white identity rally, is the moment the left starts to hate it and distrust the flag. Take it back.

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Ok. I'll drop the swastika if you can explain, in detail, what the Holy Swastika represents and why we should abandon it. If you can't, you have come unprepared and are simply a low IQ shill.

Go ahead.

>MSM is going to...
So at which point do you imagine the (((MSM))) not pushing the (((Commie Leftist))) agenda?

Until they stop there will always be resistance to their (((agenda))).

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Fucking around with nazi memes is fun and all and taking this shit too seriously irl isn't productive and more importantly doesn't make sense.

It just isn't burger history, you have your own, celebrate that, not a failed european regime that got btfo and lost everything.

>It just isn't burger history

My God you're actually fucking retarded aren't you?

we must unite under the Final Front

maybe youd like to explain what the Swastika's meaning is and why we should abandon it? :) go ahead. i'll wait.

Beware of German autism/romanticism, these people had a serious death wish. Losing with your principles intact is still losing.
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Before I confront Rockwell's use of the swastika, you have to look at the amount of time we have to fix the nation before it goes away forever. This is not a game of chicken. If we must choose between saving the aesthetic and the white race, Rockwell would have chosen the race. We are running on a sliver of time.

To address your point, I presume you're referring to the swastika as a purifying element. Only those that care only about the truth will follow it, because they will be hated for it no matter what. Thus, you can completely trust those that take it up in the public space unafraid of retaliation, since they place the truth above themselves and their safety. I understand this idea, but pragmatism must be considered. Rockwell's movement was run with far fewer people, in a much whiter nation, and at a time when media was at a premium. He had to draw attention from the major media. With the internet, we no longer need to, and our movement much larger. But we are running short on time. We can make the flag into the swastika, our own holy flag. The meaning we give the symbol is more important than the symbol we choose, don't you agree?

look at how it can be used against you. I'm being serious, what's your goal and how does the symbol help you?

doesn't matter what it means, it matters what normies see, 70 years worth of propaganda has convinced them to associate the swastika with the devil, they will never support it

Jesus Christ, you baby.

It's this simple: the broad cross-section of society sees it as a symbol of pure evil. Thus, if you want them to take you seriously so that you can effect any real change in the world, you should drop it.

If all you want is to be in your little secret club and wank each other off about how everything is wrong in the world, then go right ahead and keep using it and enjoy being marginalized your whole life.

Why celebrate weakness? The Nazis failed. Those who brandish their symbols continue to fail. Why choose failure?

fuck you nigger

this looks much better

Yeah, and what happened to the Bund again? They went on to become a major force in American politics right?

Seconded. If "we" are getting out from behind our keyboards, leave the nazi stuff in your meme folder. I really hope they learned that lesson after this. Also, get rid of Richard Spencer.

Good job, OP. If you're going to go for :image", then stack your protests/rallies deep with LARP'ers. You don't need brute force or anybody that can hurt far more than feelings. Go join the oathqueefers; they're a large group who will talk a mean game and do fuck all for their own nation. BONUS: they have really cool gear on their site that can camouflage Twinkie body styles.

inb4 "For Sale: AR-15. Never been fired. Only dropped once."

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maybe youd like to explain what the Swastika's meaning is and why we should abandon it? :) go ahead. i'll wait.

>Rockwell would have chosen the race. We are running on a sliver of time.
I agree with you and acknowledge the point. However, when you abandon the icons which represent your inner ideology, how long before you abandon the ideology itself?
>The meaning we give the symbol is more important than the symbol we choose, don't you agree?
I do agree. But the alternative seems to be what exactly? National Bolshevism? We can't even have "Americanism" because America is a puppet of Israel. Deep State runs the country, not Trump or any elected persons. So whats the value of not going full 1488?
the left call the right "nazis" anyway. even people who hate nazism are suddenly nazis. does it really matter what they say?
>70 years worth of propaganda has convinced them
I want to re-align their thinking and educate them. Why do you want to keep them stupid and mis-informed?
society already calls everything "nazism" so whats the problem if we are?
no. Jews created the "neo-nazi" and "white nationalist" movements and did away with actual national socialism in america.

Im willing to hear your arguments just try not to come across like a bunch of shills..?

It's a fucking symbol, retard. It doesn't have an objective meaning. And subjectively almost everybody thinks it represents murder and oppression.

We should start appropriating American Indian flags and personnel..

Most of them supported the confederacy anyway

>The Nazis failed.
The Nazi killed literally millions of (((Communist))) so they were far from a failure.

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>It doesn't have an objective meaning
you lose

> it is our job to take back the American flag from leftist subversion
At least you see what's necessary for the play to work. You need to root out the leftists and make them loathe it for the flag to mean anything like that. Nobody uses the flag as their main icon, and those who try still aren't identified or remembered by it. It's too broad. All groups have their symbols, that's no coincidence. If you want to use the flag, as you implied, you first have to change the meaning of it.

You don't get to claim you love America and stand for American values if you are a member of the nazi party. They are mutually exclusive. Keep the swastika that way everyone can know you are a garbage human can handle freedom no better than a commie or Muslim.

You're the nigger. There is a demographic train approaching our race, and you would have it stay on the tracks if it meant keeping the swastika. I love the aesthetic as much as you, but it must be put aside for more important things. Pragmatism must be considered. Do you value the symbols more than the virtues behind them? And you call me the nigger. Take up the flag and change the meaning behind it. In your bones you know I'm right. Which do you value more, the symbol or your people?

This is smart. Go ahead and chant original heartfelt chants ( not copied from 30s Germany ) and wave the flag. Be a Nazi if you want, but wave your own flag and have original slogans.

What could be more Nationalistic than your own flag?

Not an argument. Oafkeepers are fags because they'll cuck out on all the things without which the constitution is just paper, not because they won't wear Nazi memorabilia.

hopefully this event will get rid of the goofy stuff (larping, shields and stickmen) and actually get most to focus on improving ourselves or something

No this will do just fine. America died. Did you not notice?

The founders would not have stood side by side with neo nazis. It's not just about the imagery. It's about them being there at all.

Its a symbol of peace, and the Nazis would slant or reverse it. The Real swastika is a symbol of peace, and the one adopted by the Nazis was the opposite of such.

The problem is that when the left calls someone a Nazi it is usually unfounded and people realize that and call the media out, once you start taking out the swastika like an autist, you prove their point and most people turn away.

>does it really matter what they say?
it doesn't, and it actually works against them if there aren't people out putting on a show for them to run on tv/social media 24/7

And yet that wasn't good enough, was it?

Controlled opposition or useful idiot

Maybe we should go back to the Ross flag as a symbol of a time when we were still a white, unkiked nation.

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>The founders would not have stood side by side with neo nazis

Are you legit retarded?

The founders were explicit white nationalists.

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Why not the hammer and sickle?

It actually represents workers and farmers. Nearly all of whom are white. And we all stand together as equals.

This would ruin the left. Or at least extremely frustrate.

It will always be good enough, they died like heroes.

>Ok. I'll drop the swastika if you can explain, in detail, what the Holy Swastika represents and why we should abandon it. If you can't, you have come unprepared and are simply a low IQ shill.

You are literally prioritizing that symbol over your people. You can't win using the swastika everywhere. Keep it to yourself. It serves no utility to White people these days. You are only hurting your cause. You are letting the Marxists erase White people just because you are obsessed about an ancient symbol. Sad!

this is a whole new level of cuckoldry

i hate americans

wave the American flag as it is, its just as effective to them.

This.
join the FF

You forgot to switch your flag

The flag is not an article of clothing.

Who said they finished the job? They just got a good head start.

>Founding Fathers form break away government from government in which they have no representation
>the first form of government was so weak that it had to be reformed to stay alive
>DUDE THEY WOULD HAVE SIDED WITH THE AUTHORITARIANS

Are you fucking for real?

I am not asking you to change your politics or your ideals, just the symbol and name. At every rally from here on out the only flag that should fly is the American one. If you watch the footage from the rally, neither side is flying the American flag at all. Nearly every single flag is a fringe group flag. If we fly the adopt American one, it makes the left the abandon the symbol. We must be the ones defending the lost true values of the nation, the ones our founders would have advocated for.

No more blood and soil, instead our country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty.
No more swastikas or sieg heils, instead stars and bars.
We cannot wish for a past aesthetic, we must reconquer the current one from the leftist subversion.

neo nazis != white nationalists you legit retard. The founders were pro democracy.

Why can't we make use of the black sun? Is that commonly associated with Naziism? Realistically though I support using the American flag for any and all right wing movements.

Hopefully the movement gets it's shit together. The race issues are important but I don't want anything to do with the cringey larping.

It would still be wise to have shields considering the amount of bricks and rocks antifa will throw. They just need to adopt a typical clear riot shield or something respectable instead of painted boards.

incorrect. there is no one right way to draw the swastika.
>pic related

agreed. so lets get rid of the altright and be natsocs like it was meant to be?

debate me or keep crying rabbi

yes. this comes down to "the west has been brainwashed.. therefore.. we cant use our symbols." stop cucking. why not re-educate the masses? why do you want them to remain brainwashed?

Look you shill niggers: i am willing to compromise. I'm willing to destroy the altright with you and support the building up of something new. But i need to know what the agenda and plot is otherwise imma take all of you down too at the first sign of your rising. if this is to spread NAZBOL, i need you to know its even worse than how bad you think Nazism is.

marxists have said the swastika is a racist symbol. so by not using it because of marxist lies.. we will somehow win? explain that one to me.

this is fair and reasonable. what happens when one of you is asked if you're nazis? this will certainly be asked. will you throw natsoc under the bus like Spencer has or what will you say? how to handle this awkward situation?

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are you autistic user?

Maybe you should explain why your whole movement has to be bound to a single icon and can't change for the better when it's CLEARLY holding them back?

I've long been tired of the retarded cult of worship of Nazis people have on here, it isn't even intelligent, it's just mindless "MUH HITLER" and it's really embarrassing. I support a lot of "right wing" ideals, and probably always will, but by adhering so closely to Nazi iconography you hold any movement back from making any progress and only attracts the most unattractive and cringeworthy of followers. National Socialism will remain dead as long as it is just Naziboos playing pretend and doesn't even attempt to modernise its image.

It's like willingly making yourself retarded so if someone calls you out on being retarded you can claim that you are.

NORTH KOREA MOVES MISSILES INTO POSITION LIKE THE ONE LARPER CLAIMED

engage me in discussion or dont waste the (you)

The American flag is always under attack for being racist so it's just swapping one thing for another.

There is no such thing as "the swastika" -- many forms of swastikas have appeared in many cultures during different periods.
The oldest swastika ever found is in Ukraine and is about 10000+ years old, so no the swastiska isn't a buddhist heritage,
it's european as fuck.

Exactly, image is everything. That symbol is done. Take the American flag. In Canada, the left has completely "captured the flag", to be patriotic here means you support the degeneracy and all the crap you see happening up.

The individual creates the ultimate expression of Freedom and Reason through joining with the State. Fascism is the final evolution of Freedom.

It's fun to larp, but if you are American, that flag should always remain supreme.

The right wins with the American flag by default because the left despises the US flag and will only carry one to burn it.
The right loves the flag.
Carry the American flag and let the media call us racists all day long while the normies think they're assholes for Implying their beloved symbol is some kind of white supremacy symbol.

Holy swastika represent "I was facefucked by the whole world, thinking I was that edgy".

Any nazi pandering is either false flag or complete, absolute retardeness. You all morons cite Bezmienov, and don give a thought about what he is talking and why it's so powerful. You are victim of 12 level chess game, and your answer is cosplay of biggest losers in a world history.

Stars and Stripes is flying high, and always be. Every shitskin burning, or library urinating makes it stronger symbol.

I agree with OP so fucking much. Swastika is fucking larping man it's so fucking cringeworthy even if you are a legit ethnonationalist. The swastika is just so fucking CONTINENTAL. The USA is an anglo, western, white nation and of all fucking people we don't need to draw on FOREIGN SYMBOLISM to represent pro-white ideology, especially co-opted from a country that declared war on us.

>when it's CLEARLY holding them back?

because the only negative association with the swastika as a symbol or National Socialism as a movement is based in Jewish lie. I'll bet you've never read a single book of National Socialist ideology. I bet you have no idea what its about and I EVEN bet I could turn you into a NatSoc right here in this thread. The only negativity surrounding the two hinges on the belief that the Holocaust happened and Nazis are evil.

protip: it didnt

It's a holy symbol indeed

This

>"I was facefucked by the whole world, thinking I was that edgy".
post yfw realizing Hitler was the first person to actually fight what we today call Globalism

>Founding Fathers form break away government from government in which they have no representation
Almost as if they valued autonomy. I'm sure they would have shied away from using any "authoritarian" means by which to secure it. Oh, right, the revolution. Well there goes that theory.

Libtard. Fuck.

Our flag *should* be enough to trigger them

The founders never had to deal with invading communists. In principle they were white nationalists, and didn't differ from the German national socialists on much of anything.

If you are white and don't advocate suicide you are called a nazi

>get rid of the altright and be natsocs
Completely agree, just don't use that symbol. Use the stars and stripes.

This is actually a pretty good quote and the reason I'm all for it. I don't want cuckservatives from T_D to be associated with me, they are beyond cringeworthy and do not represent me in any way. I don't want to see their silly overused memes, I don't want to talk to them nor do I want to be a part of their virtue signalling. I only care about Trump as long as he is useful, and he is certainly not any "God Emperor" to me.

At the end of the day the posters at the the_donald are pure stage 3 cancer that should be removed before they take all of us down.

not gonna go anywhere until you accept minorities

Every single shill, and every single leftist drone in every thread for the past several months just repeats this over and over

>You're a retard
>You're retarded
>omg you're just retarded

Oh my god, like I can't even, you're just so retarded. Your beliefs are so retarded, I mean they would be so easy to disprove and cast aside because you're retarded, but I'm not going to do that because you're a retard

Goodness you're a moron. It doesn't matter what the "true meaning" is. What matters is its perception by the masses. You're clearly autistic or trying to derail movements.

You are proving my point. It isn't about being right, it's about knowing how to play the field and change peoples minds so they support you rather than just playing Naziboo all day and jerking off over the Swastika.

National Socialism needs to move forwards rather than focussing on nothing but the Nazis and Nazi imagery, doing so is what is really holding it back from moving forward.

>slavery is the ultimate freedom

>If you are white and don't advocate suicide you are called a nazi
I'm talking about literal neo nazis that were at the rally in large numbers.

They will say the damned truth.
"We are American!!!!!"
"We support FREEDOM and LIBERTY."

Nazis have a right to free speech and association and must be defended. That is fine. But the largest pro-White movement in the current era needs to be wide spread enough to appeal to normies and be relevant without 1488 purity spiraling.

I've read This Time The World by George Lincoln Rockwell
He was right on some things and wrong on others.
Mainly that you cannot make Fascism into a globlal unification under one banner.
It must be federated tribalism, not Globalism, otherwise you miss the point of Fascism. NATIONAL.
Are you going to listen to a man who literally prayed to Hitler?

>implying I have to adopt something that's been mine since birth

Means nothing to me when I see spics n nigs wear American flag as clothes and white SJWs burning the flag. I choose the Nazi flag since it represents more of my ideals at this point.

GTKRWN

I bet you voted clinton. The swastika promotes leftists values thousands of times more than right wing values

>stop cucking. why not re-educate the masses?
This is a shill, boys. Take careful note of how improperly he picks his arguments.

Be INCOGNITO.

No. Globalism was born as consiquense of fighting him. There was nothing "global" prior to 1939. There was no Goldman or City as we know them today. And united nation, EU, IMF - all of this is a result of this asshole loser actions.

Sup Forums logic:
> Americans hate nazis waving nazi flags
> if nazis fly American flags, Americans will like Nazi.
> suck it Libs.

Expect for the Libs pointing out you're still nazis. which Americans hate.

Let me know when the hammer and sickle is no longer present in public or in any public institution. Then I'll start to give a shit. The "masses" are fucking worthless, they will turn on you and render you into hamburger meat if the media tells them they should do so.

I will tell them that I am an American, and that if they disagree with me, then they are anti-American and should leave the nation. While this is simpleminded, it works, and 60 years of leftist subversion proves it. Every time you turn on the news, the left is claiming that Trump is unAmerican. That multiculturalism is American, that closing the borders is unAmerican. It is a simple formula for us to use, and the left has proven is works. If they are against us, then they have the wrong definition of America.

>Current American flag
>Any past version of the flag
>And regimental flags from the revolutionary war
>Any proposed versions of the flag
>Any state flags
>Any Join or Die/Don't tread on me flags
>NO ACW flags under ANY circumstances, that includes any regimental flags and the Bonnie Blue Flag
Just keep it American and keep away from the ACW and all should be good.