>Alright listen up fuckers because this is how things are going to work from now on. Either you follow these instructions of your movement dies. The Alt-right needs to reject Neo-Nazis, and White Supremacists. White Nationalism is fine, we can easily sell this to anybody with more than a couple of brain cells until the cows come home.
National Socialists you can keep your ideology when it comes to government systems but you need to drop the toxic branding like yesterday. Call yourselves State Socialists from now on, it means the exact same thing but is free from any negative associations... Or come up with another term, I don't really care because I'm not personally a State Socialist.
You're never again to paint Hitler or the Nazis in a positive light, this is an albatross, and you will always have absolutely nothing to gain from this. I wouldn't even waste your time trying to explain to people how "Yah know, the Nazis really weren't that bad". Your wasting everybody elses and your own time on this and you're better off sticking to tactics that you know everybody can get behind(e.g. Whites deserve to maintain their interests in their own country and not be subject to genocide.) You can still advocate on behalf of whites and oppose Jewish manipulators but you are NOT allowed use the utterly useless and counter-productive Nazi and "Fascist" branding. You are State Socialists now if you must be and you are Alt-Right for all intents and purposes.
Anyone that has a problem with or violates these new rule will from hereon be deemed a shill or mentally unfit and will be cast out of the Alt-Right Movement.
>Get rid of Nazi symbolism >Stop using 'White nationalist'
Christian James
I agree with all this. It's our move now. Either we completely give into the retards or we actually make this into something good.
Or we let North Korean bullshit and falsehood distract us and end the party alltogether and let the military get an excuse to send troops to places we don't know where
Charles Ramirez
We need some legit chants too. Retarded crao like "White Lives Matter"(who's fucking idea was this)? or "Heebs will not divide us" are awful.
One of the best chants that I've heard come out of the Alt-Right was "You can't run, you can't hide, you get helicopter rides" It was absolutely perfect for so many reasons.
Another good one that stays with the Alt-Rights dark humor but not getting into Kikes and Nazis which is jokes online but doesn't play well IRL would be to fuck with Antifa by making fun of the antifa landwhale that got taken our by /Our Car/
Somethign with the term "Car of Peace" in it.
I might be going a little too far here with this one but these are some things we actually really need to think about. We need to step up our game if we're going to be representing the Alt-Right out in public
Can we please get some suggestions for things liek tactics to use going forward. I listened to last episode of Weimerica Weekly today and he had mentioned getting permits to bait Antifa and the Police together and just not showing up or going elsewhere and letting the two of them have fun with eachother. More ideas like this please?
Jayden Jackson
white nationalism existed long before Hitler's Germany dipshit, they're not necessarily related.
Caleb Davis
On the internet, the Nazi/Hitler stuff is gold. It puts asses in seats. IRL, it is definitely bad optics.
Kevin Morris
This.
We can actually do this guys. Like, the Front National is trying to rebrand right now but they're so fucking stupid that they haven't been able to come up with anything yet(I know, I'm on contact with them). We, on the other hand, are smart AF, and we can turn this shit-tanker around in a single thread.
>Also, please note that the Alt-Right has more factions than just the Nat Socs.. The Nat Socs are just the one's that have the particularly toxic and reviled branding/packaging.
^ We can unite the right when it comes to a lot of these factions but "White Supremacists" and Neo-Nazis,or anything having to do with Nazis period will no longer be involved with the Alt-Right going forward. AT ALL. PERIOD
Michael White
"All Lives Matter" would actually be a good slogan, since it includes whites, normies are very receptive to it, and it infuriates BLM and the radical left, which in turn repulses normies.
Brayden Flores
We have hundreds of thousands if not millions of people that laugh at the thought of attacking or killing people of the Alt-Right .. That's not fucking good. But I've gotten to know the people of the Alt-Right over the passed couple of years and obviously if you're not a person that is yelling at them for being a "NAZI" at the top of your lungs then you would know that they are some or the coolest and smartest people on our planet.
Nathaniel Gomez
Makes sense. rebranding is the (((they))) do all the time.
Kayden Reed
we could always make a joke like
"Why does the world run on oil, Cough cough cough... "
Julian Robinson
"(Blank) Lives Matter" is a HORRIBLE chant because it is associated with the terrorist organization BLM. BLM, Antifa, the Media, the governments and police are our main enemies.
Other chants that are horrible: "Whos streets, our streets" or any other chant that is used by leftists groups whatsoever.
We are going to come up with our own more clever chants... For starts we can think of some of the Alt-Rights major accomplishments or milestone and craft them around those... Inserting Donald Trump quotes into them might be a great place to start because everything he says triggers the shit out of leftists... "Something, something, you have to go back!!!"
He has many infamous quotes we could ue for maximum effectiveness
Joseph Lee
Speaking of Weimerica I think it's pretty clear that the reactionaries and alt-right need each other. Alt-right needs the thinkers and reactionaries need the popular support. The faux-elitist reactionaries that believe that we should do literally nothing are not helping even themselves.
Asher Allen
Even the Hitlers front loaded the Socialist part of their program and kept all the Final Solution and einsatzgruppen stuff well under wraps. Most of the world didnt know anything about it.
But, they were smart and neo nazis are tards
Liam Moore
>reject Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists
Wait, How about we just reject everything that isn't hardline communism and then nobody can possibly associate us with what we want to achieve
Nathan Martin
Well it's not like we're explicitly saying Gas the kikes but the Nazi imagery is too easy.
The real problem with UTR was the complete lack of screening. There were only like 30 guys with Nazi flags why the fuck weren't they shut down?
Also no more trust with the police. Organize secretly. Tell antifa you'll rally somewhere, then choose a different spot. Flash mob, 15 minutes, leave.
Charles Powell
"Your Culture! Is Crap! You have to go back!!" or something? Didn't they have one.. ohh..
Something about "You're fags! Go home! You have low testosterone!" < - that one was fucking GOLD
Connor Hill
This...
It is time for us fucktards to grow the fuck up. If you want a war for America, this is a war were our opponent controls all avenues of mass communications and all we have is the 1st amendment. You will not win this on the streets. We won the white house because of this place. Be David against Goliath. Be smart user.
Oliver Hill
Well I guess you need to stop using our board if you dont want to be associated with us. Back to plebbit. This poll was taken before you shills showed up, so it really doesnt matter what you have in response. Sup Forums has always been primarily National Socialist, ancaps dont even exist, they came afterwards. They arent Sup Forumsacks, thats TRS. They care about money more than genocide.
Anthony Wright
He is talking about in real life, not on the internet.
Thomas Morales
The point should be to stop disparaging low tier aspects of the opposition and instead to counteract their main ethos.
Brayden Morris
His point is to lessen the public image of our doctrines to be so blatantly tied to a near universally reviled history. He's mad, and has every right to be, because we have been given multiple opportunities to enact a campaign of progress for our ideals and have came to such events with our heads up our asses.
Start arguing with an ethos, not with your frame.
Benjamin Jackson
> White Nationalism is fine, we can easily sell this to anybody with more than a couple of brain cells until the cows come home.
>we can easily sell this to anybody with more than a couple of brain cells until the cows come home.
You sound awful and I will not listen to your advice.
Robert Price
Nobody in the Alt-Right gets to identify as National Socialists anymore. Did I not make myself clear in the OP? You're allowed to identify as State Socialists or you can come up with a better term. Fuck off if you don't like it shill. This is a hostile takeover, if you want to identify as a National Socialist then leave. We will physically remove your retarded asses in public too
Jeremiah Clark
I agree, we must distance ourselves from the Nazis, KKK, and White Nationalists. They are bad for PR and the dishonest MSM is having a field day blaming all Conservatives. Let's not fall for this Soros trap again.
Leo Cruz
He's talking about real politics, not internet meme material. You can be as NatSoc as Hitler himself, but you're going to get absolutely shit on if you try and have any political impact under that frame.
John Carter
>Heebs will not divide us They actually chanted this? The madmen.
Grayson Fisher
White Nationalist is fine, Supremacist is not. A white supremacist idealogy is only useful if you're planning on overtaking the entire globe.
Then again the media has now bastardized the term White Nationalist and they did it deliberately this weekend. We could pivot to the term Ethno-Nationalist..
Parker Wright
Why not just American Nationalist Party or something similar that doesn't have the connotation of "Nazi." It includes Whites and not Whites, yet it can embody our political and economic policies just the same. It needs to be a lilly pad from which to leap ahead incrementally. We can jump right to full blown national socialism because people don't understand it, and are programmed to think that it's evil and racist, etc. Even though we are peaceful people trying to save mankind. All it needs is a new name, new flag, new symbol, and adaptability to its host countries, in this case America. Trump was one thing, Charlottesville another, now we need our party unified and able to defend against leftist attacks and infiltration. We gotta look good to regular people, and comprise ourselves of good, regular people as well as patriots.
Camden Stewart
We need a flag. Something subtle to signal others that won't be ostracized. I say we take the Police flag and run with it, and replace the stars with a coat of arms. Any other ideas?
Nathaniel Reed
Another thing that I saw today was that besides Molymem the Hotep nogs actually came up with the most level-headed and factual analysis of the weekends events. Give it a read: >hotepnation.com/charlottesville-making-sense/
We actually share all of the same enemies as these guys so it might be in both of our best interest to form some sort of a symbiotic relationship? We could use them as camouflage from being deemed Nazi, Racist, Hitler KKK... and they could get from us whatever it is they think that they would benefit the most from.
Jaxson Foster
"White supremacist" is such an unfairly slandered term. White civilization is obviously superior by all metrics - especially in morality and culture. Every honest, moral person should recognize that the white race is the only source of global enlightenment and development. The Jews have branded this obvious truth as the most evil hatefact in the world.
Carter Long
Fucking this, it's about time we started getting serious and stop all the nazi shit irl. I'm a fucking nazi and even I agree that bringing nazi flags and nazi aesthetics is fucking retarded and is going to turn everyone off. Even American vanguards aesthetics are a little to much. The future of or fucking people is at stake we can't mess up rn.
Dominic Rogers
Is this flag too cringe? I'm not sure of the black sun but this is some inspiration. Let's get more ideas.
Cooper Taylor
Good ideas but I want you to forget that the term National Socialist ever existed. Start calling it State Socialism or Current Year Socialism. Anything other than Nazis. Fucking Bernie Sanders identifies as Democratic Socialist and he could've held his own against Trump. Anti-fa are full blown of Commies and nobody seems particular bothered by that aspect of their group.
Jordan Ramirez
If you truly care about 14 you WILL heed this advice!
Chase Edwards
Stop using the edgy nordfag symbolism. Our movement should reflect our pan-european origin. Better to use Greek or Roman symbols.
Liam Jackson
WHO CARES. Only you and a fringe on the internet care about this enough to mention it. Advocating for White Nationalism will achieve the same effect with not nearly as much resistance.
Why are you people so fucking intent on sabotaging yourself? You're either retards or shills.
Our ends are what matters. We're to take the most effective means to get there.
Ryder Ramirez
OP is totally right. I had a normie friend the other day tell me about how right wing groups come from a "completely illogical perspective" and how they "need irrational prejudice to survive." I didn't have the heart to tell him that our perspective is completely rational once you know what we know.
It's impossible to upend someone's worldview on the spot, so we have to circumvent it.
Jonathan Russell
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Logan Lewis
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Justin Torres
>What Nazis? I don't see any Nazis.
Wink wink.
>Oh you mean all white people are Nazis? Now that's a little prejudiced on your part don't you think?
Ayden Harris
Those Sup Forumsacks are too retarded to understand that Americans bled and died fighting Nazis Swastika, Roman salute and white supremacy are seen as boogeyman symbols by American nation. Alt right is trying to rally people by using these symbols and it is like.. Using Satan to rally Christians. It does not make any sense
Alt right NEEDS to reform right fucking now. This so-called movement will never work. Especially in countries such as > USA > UK > Poland > Canada > France > Belgium > Netherlands
Why? Because every single country on this list suffered because of national socialism. These wounds run deep and people are not going to forget about them anytime soon.
Nolan Myers
If you talk like that in front of me I'll rape you and send your lifeless corpse to the Nazis as a present.
Parker Allen
Okay, well... Are we designing these symbols just for America or what? We're a global movement but whatever...
Even with the black su imagery I think we should pull back completely.. There are plenty of other symbols to grab from.. My wife is an amazing artist and she's reading the trheads every so often as she goes so we might get her to draw up some ideas?
WE use a lot of Rome aesthetics but have any of you ever heard of the Etruscans? They were the people that owned Rome, pre-dated them and they were the one's who came up with all the shit a lot of people attribute to the Romans.. Maybe we could look to them for some aesthetics?
Fuck man, our enemies would be so pissed if we came out next week or whatever completely repackaged with all new aesthetics and no ways for them to atttack us
Luke White
I really think we should lose the Socialism name. I mean I understand why Hitler called his ideology national socialism, and it makes sense. But state socialism seems to indicate policies directed to benefit a corrupt standing state, which we are morally opposed to. It sounds communistic. And while it might attract our oppositions interest it would be an oxymoron imo.
It needs dignity yet I would suppose anything with whiteman symbols is inherently racist to brainwashed normies. What would you suggest? What kind of American cultural symbols haven't been exploited by (((them))) yet?
Xavier Ortiz
you post like somebody who doesn't come here often.
wonder why that is.
Christopher Rivera
Thinking man's logic. If it can be used against, it's a hindrance. Pure Logic
Bentley Martinez
All the terms are subconsciously Jewed, user. People have been conditioned since childhood to hate the words, not the meaning. Every pro-white term causes the same instinctive twitch reaction in the normie brain. Controlling the language has been the Jew's game from the start. Our goal should be to break through the conditioning, to normalize these pro-white terms in all their truthfulness. We have to shock the goyim dogs until their old habitual instinct is broken. Better yet, raise the next generation without the Jewish brainwashing that trains people since they're 3 y.o. to have this instinct of hate against their own race.
Oliver James
There are already successful white people, and they look down on scum like you.
The aggressive white male narrative is historically obsolete for the USA, and must be revised.
socially-conservative, hypermasculinity is an impediment to humankind's improvement.
The USA must become a United Nations of America. All who impede humankind's improvement are domestic terrorists (Alt-right is now Alt-Qaeda and need to be smoked out and hunted down)
posterity is archaic
Nicholas Scott
>anything with whiteman symbols is inherently racist to brainwashed normies We need to be rehabilitating the symbols, not running away from them. trying to shy away from them is cuckservatism, and we should all know from the past 50 years that it is a losing strategy. Be offensive, not defensive. Make racism no longer seen as negative.
Adam Mitchell
Nah, no infighting.
Jonathan Flores
New symbols and new flag are necessary for this movement. Also, Hitler has to be replaced with someone else. Because at this point, alt right can be attacked from any direction, by anyone -- Including another right wingers.
And using Hitler as your patron is the best way to anger a lot of people on both sides.
Sebastian Bell
You're on to something. Any imagery that can be used against must be quashed.
Joseph Smith
This.
People in the West are brainwashed to think that we all entered the war to save the Jews even though we only found out about that stuff after the fact. Same deal with the civil war, msot people think that the North fought to free the slaves when nothing could be further from the truth
Blake James
This is is going to appeal to normies a lot more than freaking nazi flags or the stars and bars. You can even stick some Fasces into the design, as they are already a part of the US heraldry and we would have plausible deniability if leftists pointed it out.
Cut the white supremacist and even white ethno state stuff, for now. That may be a 25-50 year goal, but it's not part of the 5 year goal. Our immediate goal should be geared to sealing the leaks, building the wall, and getting rid of immigration (ideally all of it, but we should target low skilled third worlders to start) That's the issues that got Trump elected, and it is still the issue that keeps 50% of the country up at night worrying about. Stress the negative impact of unchecked immigration, the looming threat of automation that will likely render these low skilled immigrants unemployable in the future. It doesn't have to be a "white ethnostate" in name, so long as it is in practice.
Connor Thomas
Nordcuck symbols just look creepy and have association with savage vikings. We should really take our symbols from white civilizations, not some moon and sun runes.
Joshua Garcia
>Start working on some new aesthetics
this will be difficult since most trump supporters look like ugly fucking neckbeard virgins
Noah Mitchell
>State Socialist Oh boy another inch deep libertarian.
Josiah Long
Guys I would really love to agree with 100%. It is our nature to wish to enlighten the people with the truth. It is a tall task, every day people are deeply entrenched in false beliefs. It is nearly impossible to break the 70+ years of social conditioning. But there is one thing we must remember: "One day the lies will collapse under their own weight, and the truth will triumph again." Truth and God are on our side, but in order to be victorious, we must first win the hearts of the people before its too late. Then we will wake them.
Jeremiah Moore
Alt-righters come up with some good shit that hits a nerve like "Open Borders For Israel"
It has to be something good that points out hypocrisy and trolls people not just through edginess
Adrian Russell
> >New symbols and new flag are necessary for this movement.
Something with 16 of a certain symbol (stars, stripes, I'd go with X's) to reflect 16 points. The Amsterdam flag is a god starting point.
David Jackson
Yah well that's not true and plenty of anons know who I am so you can fuck off
Nolan Perez
also if faggot natsocs DO show up in full nazi gear regardless, you guys NEED TO KICK THEM THE FUCK OUT, in fron of all the cameras
Aiden Davis
>White Advocacy >Nationalism By arguing for both separately you get a better argument. It also allow for the " I think all Nations and people deserve to look out for themselves explicitly argument". It's just common sense.
Connor Roberts
>Also, Hitler has to be replaced with someone else. Charles Martel the hammer. He would make a perfect symbol for the west as he stands for the safeguarding of western values against foreign invasion, primarily being Islamic which is the real (physical at least) threat atm, he doesn't have any "blood on his hands" that leftists can cry about, and he is universally liked in western nations, at least by those who known of him and aren't leftists who crave islamic dick.
Nathan Evans
Wrong, and lol you both being under the impression that you have that kind of time.
Joseph Scott
>Also, Hitler has to be replaced with someone else.
General "Kill The Commies Now!" Patton
John Parker
"Challenging the opposition" #AltRightChallenge Etc
Dominic Ross
>It is a tall task, every day people are deeply entrenched in false beliefs. It is nearly impossible to break the 70+ years of social conditioning
You do realise that for centuries people of Europe were fucking scared of Jews?
Spain expelled Jews right after reconquista UK banned Jews for centuries Entire Jewish villages were massacred for sacrificing children in their rituals in Poland ( " pogrom ")
And get this - national socialism ruined everything. Jews went from boogeyman to " tragic victims " in just 6 years. Everything that happened in the past 700 years was suddenly forgotten
And you, useful idiots of pol, still support ideology that ruined everything?
Lucas Wilson
Freedom of association is all anyone wants. Nothing more American. "Mind your business" used to be on our stuff
Brandon Howard
>We're not alt right fuck the alt right the alt right is made up
>ok now lemme reconstruct the alt right into a squeaky clean, gay and cucky little piece of nothingness, surely leftists will stop supressing our speech
Jacob Cox
Why not "European Peoples' Nationalist"? A little long to say, so yeah Ethno-Nationalist is good too. Sorry,this is my first post on /pol or Sup Forums at all for that matter.
Jonathan James
Call it rationalism.
Kevin Foster
this
plus, the American Nativist movement was aesthetic af
Lincoln Harris
This might work as well, just rebrand as being anti communist, it's harder for the media to demonize that. Not that it will stop them from trying, but it wont be as successful for them.
Carter Rivera
Aren't you busy destroying Europe for the umpteenth time Hanz?
Zachary Howard
Literacy is what national socialism advocated. The mystic demon jew was called out, christ crucified, and then Hitler was crucified, so to speak. The opponents of this satanic breed have always been demonized. It took the entire world lead by the jews to stop the wrecking machine that Germany had brought forth. We were almost free. That's why we cant use those symbols today, it give the jews "credibility" and opportunity to infiltrate our movement by painting these on ourselves like targets. I used to disagree but this is apparent after the rallies.
Levi Johnson
>uuuuuhm uuuh yeah you're country is cucked lol so argument discarded! t. Canada
Robert Bell
Europeans are not White, they currently and historically declare themselves separate entities.
Americans are white.
Also "people's" is Socialist collectivist lingo.
Asher Anderson
ugh fucking nazi larpers, we need GOOD OPTICS. I know, let's dress like shitty James Bond villains and blast Death in June, that will show everyone how we're the New Intellectual Right
I'll take lunkhead natsoc skinheads over you fucking queers any day
Dylan Young
Or start up a pure free speech organization:
See
Brayden Ramirez
"White supremacist" is an invented term. Nobody calls themselves a "white supremacist". Also, the alt-right has more power than ever and is drawing in more support as time goes on. Why would they change their strategy?
Camden Hill
Fuck you you spineless nigger-loving alt-cuck. The fact that you proudly label yourself an alt-rigther like the oblivious idiot you are, a label literally created by the Jewish media last summer, speaks volumes how much (((they))) have subverted the right. Nobody takes your little movement seriously with you stupid reddit frog and all this praise kek and shadilay nonsense and Jewish e-celebs so it's not like you can make matters worse.
Christian Rogers
>Europeans are not White, they currently and historically declare themselves separate entities.
Could you, for at least 1 minute, restrain yourself from saying stupid shit? At least in this thread?
Thanks
Brody Long
The American flag with crosses instead of stars would be pretty badass. And, it would trigger lefties more than a swastika.
Closest I could find, attached.
Andrew Ross
I'm not alt-right, I am a national socialist. However, the world hates us despite our lack of guilt. I want to create a new party that will unite us all against the eternal shlomo. This is the take you need on this- we need to look good so that we can no longer be demonized.
Joshua Ramirez
>Why would they change their strategy? They aren't
Now take a guess at who might benefit from dismantling the movement, at the height of its controversity, right as the momentum shifts into their favor
hmmmMmmmmm really takes the noggin for a joggin....
Liam Wright
Woes and Greg Johnson had a good discussion about it, and I think Johnson was correct in his idea >The tiki torch march was a big positive, because it was organized and unadvertised, and the fellow right-wingers there took and disseminated the photos without the (((press))) backing them up >Dont publicly advertise singular massive events that invite the whole nation, instead run smaller, organized events on a local level nationwide where we control the information and the press and ANTIFA cant show up in time to twist the narrative >Large events cant ensure everyone showing up is up to snuff. >The police and military are not your friends. We may have a love for clean-cut men in uniforms, but they are tools of the establishment and the establishment is completely against us. They will prioritize their financial and occupational security over any personal feelings about the matter >While the people hailing and waving Nazi flags should be equally commended for their personal risk, its counter-intuitive to use foreign concepts when white nationalist policies have been as ingrained in American history and culture as the Constitution In short, these big national events are a bad idea. Run smaller, local operations in which you control the optics instead of the media
Jordan James
Hi shillls. Now fuck off.
What do we do about Spencer? Do we send him his resignation letter? Reasons to keep or to purge him?
My opinion is that he is pretty fucking toxic especially since the "It wasn't a Nazi salute I was just saying HEIL TRUMP, hurr hurr"
Jack Nelson
Look at the helmet, I think we found a flag. 3 white stars on a green background.
Also the Trump comparison.
Ryder Peterson
Yes, because people will totally get the references to Pinochet and muslim car attacks. Jesus if I read any more of your moronic posts I will lose all my IQ points.
Hunter Morgan
Everyone who isn't a shill agrees with this
Jonathan Jones
The best way to start is to use Jewish weapons against them. Gradually rally more and more normies. Subtlety start defining what's right and what's wrong.
Jews had plenty of time to rewrite the meaning of modern society. And right now, Jews are playing everyone like a fiddle -- especially those who identify as either national socialists or alt right.
Mason Ortiz
i got u senpai
Ethan Hall
I need to go watch a fucking Youtube tutorial on how to use /pol as far as replying and what not. I do agree with OP though; a major rebrand is going to help. I see more and more coming over every day. I try to get people to watch The Greatest Story Never Told, that at least opens the discussion table somewhat if they are willing to watch it.
Thomas Allen
Conservatism is losing in slow motion. Nationalism isn't an actionable direction when the nation lacks an identity.
Maybe Neo-Tradition is what we need
Recognizing the wisdom of those before us and science. Common sense, common history, common cause.
Freedom of association is functionally white nationalist, but it's American to the core. Free speech. Normalizing white advocacy. National Security and pride. A focus on charity, fitness, history, voluntary trade etc.
Pragmatism is an American philosophy
Stoicism was foundational to Rome which we admire
Colton Russell
The European Union has spent billions trying to get you faggots to shed your nationality labels and implant the "European identity".
If you want to accept yourself as a collectivist entity go right ahead.
Camden Moore
The main problem is that Spencer is more so a motivational speaker rather than a leader. We need someone who could actually organize people into not spurging out like Charlottesville