How can there be such a huge gap in intellectual accomplishments between two such closely related peoples like Italians...

How can there be such a huge gap in intellectual accomplishments between two such closely related peoples like Italians and Iberians?

Mathematicians
Italians:Fibonacci, Lagrange, Ricci-Curbastro, Ruffini, Fubini, Peano, etc.
Iberians:???

Scientists
Italians:Galilei, Torricelli, Fermi, Majorana, Avogrado, Natta, Golgi, Malpighi, etc.
Iberians:???

Inventors
Italians:Volta, Marconi, Pacinotti, Meucci, Barsanti, Perotto, Faggin, etc.
Iberians:???

Painters
Italians:Da Vinci, Raphael, Michelangelo, Botticelli, Caravaggio, Boccioni, etc.
Iberians:Retards who painted like 5 year olds.

The pattern is the same for all fields of intellectual endeavor, Iberians are consistently subsaharan african tier.

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Because Spain was under military occupation by the Moors throughout the middle ages, and when the rest of Europe was heading into the renaissance, it was a devastated wasteland just starting to recover from the Reconquista wars.

I have a question: do you really think that on the pic is italy? You are baiting right?

We were too busy spreading the True Faith by fire and steel across a brand new continent, we can't all be the renaissance equivalent of hipster faggots.

>closely related peoples
maybe here's your problem

Spaniards and Portuguese won an entire continent for catholicism, and some other countries, this already is a historical accomplishment

>Italians
All South Italy Sicily and Sardina belong to Spen

Where does he say that pic is Italy?

how can there be such a huge gap in intellectual accomplishments between OP and other people?

He talks about italians and the pic is called italy.jpg

I have seen this exact OP a long time ago, try harder faget.

Neat digits

fuck you we invented the lobotomy

Iberians : vasco de gama, magellan, bartholomeo dias, hernan cortes...
Italians : marco polo (who was from croatia by the way)
And you forgot velasquez as painter. But of course you should have more than an 70 IQ to know that...

Spain: First global empire

Italians: We was Romans and meatballs

I like spaniards on Sup Forums, most of them dont give a fuck when someone tries to bait them.
They're literally the best posters.

digis*

they had early universities though

>early universities
you mean madrassahs?

You missed oceanic explorers. During the renaissance, Iberia was not nearly as affected by plague as the rest of Europe, which sequestered their best and brightest in Italian walled cities. Because of this, they explored trade routes to India, conquered the Americas, and solidified a hold that lasted a few hundred years on the high seas.

TL;DR, they were the chads of medeival urop

nope, we also got plague- we started discoveries to find an alternative route to counteract genoa and venice monopoly with other actors ottoman empire, mamaluke sultanate etc contact with the silk road

You're a moron:
1. An Iberia map named "italy.jpg"
2. Forgot Dali & Velasquez

The rest is ok, different genetics and culture, different achievements.

not nearly as bad as the cold and wet north, but you are completely correct.

The north africans probably had a role in messing up their gene pool.

And transaharan trade routes.

It's almost like those achievements aren't entirely based on race but culture, wealth, infrastructure, etc...
As far as I know Iberians were pretty advanced where it counted for them, warfare and navy tech.

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>Spain: First global empire
wrong

it was the first transoceanic empire

>they had early universities
Universities were invented in Italy.

iberians are backwards and superstitious, that's why napoleon hated them, this also applies to México

it's because the eternal castillian drags down the accomplishments of the rest of iberia.

Don't shit on Iberia, that's where Gibraltar is. Dickhead.

Because Spain was invaded so many times by mudslimes

Actually, Iberia belongs to the Roman empire. The same applies to Gaul, Hellas, Macedon, Thracia, Anatolia, Aegypt, Judea, Assyria, Mesopotamia, Carthage, Numidia, Britannia, Dacia, Germania, and Dacia.

Barbarians shall submit to Roman authority.

gib monkeys.

> ashamed of his own flag

because both got raped by muslims, who were smarter than us at the time.

thank fuck inbreeding took care of that

Velázquez?

It was my country.

He also talks about Iberians, idiot.

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Spain is african.

I recommend you to go away and not come.

>You missed oceanic explorers

lol they get btfo by Italians there too. Christopher Columbus was Italian and Amerigo Vespucci has the entire continent named after him.

Iberian Mathematicians
XVI Century:
>Juan de Celaya
>Pedro Chacón
>Pablo Cibramonte
>Pedro Ciruelo
>Martín Cortés de Albacar
>Pedro Esquivel
>Jaime Juan Falcó
>Jerónimo Girava
>Giuliano Ferrofino
>Juan de Rojas y Sarmiento
>Pedro Juan de Lastanosa
>João Baptista Lavanha
>Gaspar Lax
>Juan Martínez Guijarro
>Juan de Ortega (matemático)
>Pedro Ambrosio de Ondériz
>Pedro de Medina
>Diego Pérez de Mesa
>Juan Pérez de Moya
>Martín de Rada
>Jaime Salvador Solano
>Baltasar Torres
>Juan Bautista Villalpando
>Rodrigo Zamorano
XVII Century:
>Francisco de Artiga
>Juan Caramuel
>Pablo Cibramonte
>Juan Bautista Corachán
>Jerónimo Cortés
>Julio César Firrufino
>Giuliano Ferrofino
>Baltasar Íñigo
>Sebastián Izquierdo
>João Baptista Lavanha
>Antonio Hugo de Omerique
>Diego Pérez de Mesa
>Miguel de Quirós
>Sebastián de Rocafull
>Tomás Vicente Tosca
>Juan Bautista Villalpando
>Rodrigo Zamorano
>Bernardo José Zaragoza
XVIII Century
>Vicente Alcalá Galiano
>Gaspar Álvarez
>Juan Claudio Aznar de Polanco
>Benito Bails
>Juan García Berruguilla
>María Andrea Casamayor
>Tomàs Cerdà
>Gabriel Císcar
>Juan Bautista Corachán
>Juan Antonio Desvalls
>Antonio Eximeno
>Antonio Pablo Fernández-Solano
>Alonso de Frías y Zelarayán
>Juan Justo García
>Baltasar Íñigo
>Jorge Juan
HOW CAN ITALIANS EVEN COPETE?

>Christopher Columbus
got his ships, money, and crew from spain. sorry barbarians, but the new world is a spanish accomplishment

>the Roman empire
All the Roman Empire belong to the Nerva–Antonine dynasty

those are all literally whos though
anybody who studies maths can confirm(like me)

I think an explanation can be found in the fact that Spain was a society of warriors.

List of Spanish inventors and discoverers:

>A
* [32]José de Acosta (1540–1600), one of the first [33]naturalists and [34]anthropologists of the Americas.[35][1]
* Andrés Alcázar (1490-1585), neurosurgeon and anatomist, designed new tools for surgical treatments.[36][2]
* [37]José María Algué (1856–1930), meteorologist, inventor of the barocyclometer, the nephoscope, and the microseismograph.[38][3][39][4]
* [40]Jerónimo de Ayanz y Beaumont (1553–1613), registered design for steam-powered water pump for use in mines (1606).[41][5]
* [42]Martín de Azpilicueta (1492–1586), [43]economist, member of the [44]School of Salamanca, precursor of the quantitative theory of money.[45][6]
>B
* [47]Ignacio Barraquer (1884–1965), leading [48]ophthalmologist, pioneer of [49]cataract surgery.[50][7]
* [51]José Ignacio Barraquer (1916–1998), leading [52]ophthalmologist, father of modern [53]refractive surgery, he invented the [54]microkeratome and the [55]cryolathe, developed the surgical procedures of [56]keratomileusis and keratophakia.[57][8][58][9]
* [59]Juan Pablo de Bonet (1573-1633), pioneer of education for the deaf, he published Reducción de las letras y arte para enseñar a hablar a los mudos ("Summary of the letters and the art of teaching speech to the mute") in 1620 in Madrid, the first modern treatise of sign language phonetics, setting out a method of oral education for deaf people and the first recognizable sign language alphabet.[60][10][61][11]

>C
* [64]Ángel Cabrera (1879–1960), naturalist, investigated the South-American fauna.[65][12]
* [66]Nicolás Cabrera (1913–1989), physicist, did important work on the theories of [67]crystal growth and the [68]oxidisation of [69]metals.[70][13][71][14]
* [72]Celedonio Calatayud (1880-1931) pioneered the use of [73]radiology and electrology in Europe for both diagnostics and therapeutical purposes, introducing [74]radiotherapy in Spain in 1906.[75][15]
* [76]Manuel Cardona Castro (1934-2014), physicist, researched [77]superconductivity and the interaction of [78]electromagnetic radiation with a semiconductor material.[79][16]
* [80]Julio Cervera Baviera (1854-1927), engineer, pioneer in the development of [81]radio, educator, explorer, and military man. He established the second and third regular radiotelegraph service in the history of the world in 1901 and 1902 by maintaining regular transmissions between [82]Tarifa and [83]Ceuta for three consecutive months, and between [84]Javea and [85]Ibiza. Some consider him the actual inventor of the radio.[86][17][87][18]
* [88]Juan de la Cierva (1895–1936), aeronautical engineer, pioneer of rotary flight, inventor of the [89]autogyro.[90][19]
* [91]Juan Ignacio Cirac Sasturain (born 1965), one of the pioneers of the field of quantum computing and quantum information theory.[92][20]
* [93]Josep Comas i Solà (1868–1937), astronomer, discovered the periodic [94]comet [95]32P/Comas Solá and 11 [96]asteroids, and in 1907 observed limb darkening of [97]Saturn's moon [98]Titan (the first evidence that the body had an atmosphere).[99][21]
* [100]Avelino Corma Canós (born 1951), chemist, distinguished for his world-leading work on [101]heterogeneous catalysis, developed catalysts that are being used commercially in several industrial processes.[102][22]

Do you know why we were the best on fencing? Because we were fucking good at maths.
>Pic related.

>D
* Francisco Díaz de Alcalá (1527-1590), urologist and doctor, wrote the first treatises on diseases of the bladder, kidneys, and urethra; he is generally regarded as the founder of modern [104]urology.[105][23]
* [106]Pedro Duque (born 1963), astronaut and veteran of two space missions.[107][24]
>E
* [109]Fausto de Elhúyar (1755–1833), chemist, joint discoverer of [110]tungsten with his brother [111]Juan José de Elhúyar in 1783.[112][25]
>F
* Carlos Fernández Casado (1905–1988), civil engineer, designer and builder of bridges and [114]viaducts.[115][26]
* Jaime Ferrán (1852–1929), doctor and researcher, discovered several vaccines.[116][27]
>G
* [118]Manuel García (1805-1906) singer, music educator, and vocal pedagogue, inventor of the first [119]laryngoscope.[120][28]
* [121]Antoni de Gimbernat, (1734–1816), surgeon and anatomist, described in detail the anatomy of the inguinal and femoral regions of the human body and laid the groundwork for modern techniques of inguinal hernia repai. The lacunar ligament is named after him.[122][29][123][30]
* [124]Alejandro Goicoechea Omar (1895-1984), engineer, worked for and co-founded [125]Talgo company, where he developed the Talgo trains famous [126]design.[127][31]
>H
* [129]Francisco Hernández (1514–1587), botanicist, carried out important research about the Mexican flora.[130][32]
* [131]Juan de Herrera (1530-1597), architect, mathematician and geometrician, designed the construction plans of [132]El Escorial and the [133]Cathedral of Valladolid among others and created a compass to measure length and width and a machine to cut iron.[134][33]
* Bartolomé Hidalgo Agüero (1530-1597), doctor, developed, described and evaluated a revolutionary healing method for stab wounds [135][34]
* [136]Juan Huarte de San Juan (1529–1588), physician and psychologist, his Examen de ingenios para las ciencias was the first attempt to show the connexion between psychology and physiology.[137][35]

>J
* Manuel Jalón Corominas (1925–2011), inventor of the [139]mop (1956) and a worldwide used "two-piece" disposable [140]syringe (1978).[141][36]
* [142]Carlos Jiménez Díaz (1898–1967), doctor and researcher, leading figure in [143]pathology.[144][37]
>L
* [146]Rodrigo López de Segura (1540-1580), humanist and chess player, wrote one of the first definitive books about modern chess in Europe: [147]Libro de la invencion liberal y arte del juego del axedrez.[148][38]
* [149]Emilio Herrera Linares (1879-1967), military engineer and physicist, designed a pressurized space suit for stratospheric flights (escafandra estratonáutica), precedent of the [150]modern space suits.[151][39]
* [152]José Luis López Gómez (1941-) is an engineer and inventor. He made a number of inventions related to high speed trains.
>M
* [154]Gregorio Marañón (1887–1960), doctor and researcher, leading figure in endocrinology.[155][40]
* [156]Narcís Monturiol (1818–1885), physicist and inventor, pioneer of underwater navigation and first machine powered [157]submarine.[158][41][159][42]
* [160]José Celestino Bruno Mutis (1732–1808), botanicist, doctor, philosopher and mathematician, carried out relevant research about the American flora, founded one of the first astronomic observatories in America (1762).[161][43]
* [162]Aureliano Maestre de San Juan (1828-1890), scientist, histologist, physician and anatomist credited as being one of the first scientists to recognize the disorder known as Kallmann syndrome.[163][44]

>O
* [165]Severo Ochoa (1905–1993), doctor and biochemist, achieved the synthesis of [166]ribonucleic acid (RNA), [167]Nobel prize Laureate (1959).[168][45]
* Federico Olóriz Aguilera, (1855-1912), doctor, created the primary fingerprint classification system used in Portugal and Spain prior to the use of computer filing systems.[169][46]
* [170]Mateu Orfila (1787–1853), doctor and chemist, father of modern [171]toxicology, leading figure in forensic toxicology.[172][47]
* [173]Joan Oró (1923–2004), biochemist, carried out important research about the origin of life, he worked with [174]NASA on the [175]Viking missions.[176][48]
>P
* Julio Palacios Martínez (1891–1970), physicist and mathematician.[178][49]
* [179]Isaac Peral (1851–1895), engineer and sailor, designer of the first fully operative military submarine. [180][50]
* Juan Tomás Porcell (1528-1580), doctor and anatomist, carried decisive research on the [181]Black Death and wrote influential treaties of epidemiology.[182][51]
>R
* [184]Santiago Ramón y Cajal (1852–1934), father of [185]Neuroscience, [186]Nobel prize Laureate (1906).[187][52]
* [188]Julio Rey Pastor (1888–1962), mathematician, leading figure in geometry.[189][53]
* [190]Wifredo Ricart (1897–1974), engineer, designer and executive manager in the automotive industry.[191][54]
* [192]Andrés Manuel del Río (1764–1849), [193]geologist and [194]chemist, discovered [195]vanadium (as [196]vanadinite) in 1801.[197][55]
* [198]Pío del Río Hortega (1882–1945), [199]neuroscientist, discoverer of the [200]microglia or Hortega cell.[201][56]
* [202]Félix Rodríguez de la Fuente (1928–1980), naturalist, leading figure in ornithology, ethology, ecology and science divulgation.[203][57]
* [204]Ángela Ruiz Robles (1895-1975) teacher, writer and inventor, pioneer of the [205]electronic book.[206][58]

Protip: they are arabs

>S
* [208]Margarita Salas (born 1938), biochemist, molecular genetist and researcher.[209][59]
* [210]Mónico Sánchez Moreno (1880-1961), electrical engineer, inventor and industrialist; early developer of high frequency electrical conduction equipment, [211]mobile telephony, [212]radiology, [213]electrotherapy and inventor of the first portable [214]X-ray machine in 1909.[215][60]
* [216]Miguel Servet (1511–1553), scientist, surgeon and humanist; first European to describe [217]pulmonary circulation.[218][61]
* [219]Luis Simarro Lacabra (1851–1921), psychiatrist; developed a [220]silver bromide modification of Camillo Golgi's [221]silver chromate technique.[222][62]
>T
* [224]Esteban Terradas i Illa (1883–1950), mathematician, physicist and engineer.[225][63]
* [226]Leonardo Torres Quevedo (1852–1936), engineer and mathematician, pioneer of automated calculation machines, inventor of the automatic chess, pioneer of [227]remote control, designer of the funicular over the [228]Niagara Falls.[229][64][230][65][231][66]
* [232]Eduardo Torroja (1899–1961), civil engineer, structural architect, world famous specialist in concrete structures.[233][67][234][68]
* [235]Juanelo Turriano (1500-1585) Italo-Spanish [236]clockmaker, [237]engineer and [238]mathematician, he built the [239]Artificio de Juanelo, an engine that, driven by the river itself, lifted water from the [240]Tagus to a height of almost 100 meters.[241][69]
* [242]Josep Trueta (1897–1977), doctor, his new method for treatment of open wounds and fractures helped save a great number of lives during World War II.[243][70]
>U
* [245]Antonio de Ulloa (1716–1795), scientist, soldier and author; joint discoverer of element [246]platinum with [247]Jorge Juan y Santacilia (1713–1773).[248][71]

>V
* [250]Francisco Vallés (1524-1592), physician, regarded as the founder of modern [251]anatomical pathology.[252][72]
* [253]Joseph de la Vega (1650–1692), businessman, wrote Confusion of Confusions (1688), first book on [254]stock markets.[255][73]
* [256]Arnold of Villanova (c. 1235–1311), alchemist and physician, he discovered [257]carbon monoxide and pure [258]alcohol.[259][74][260][75]
* [261]Francisco de Vitoria (c. 1480/86 – 1546), member of the [262]School of Salamanca, precursor of [263]international law theory.[264][76]

We invented the submarine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>Italians get BTFO'd this hard in their own bait thread

Too busy establishing conkangstador dicktatorships in the americas.

Mmmm... only regular "inventions" thats why Mexico is, whas, and will be fucked

Wrong. see
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_inventions_and_discoveries
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_inventions

you forgot the part where portugal and spain colonized half the world..you're cute.

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Fucking love Carlos II images

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>Christopher Columbus was Italian and Amerigo Vespucci has the entire continent named after him.

my friend, did you realize the story are you telling is fucking sad for italy? so you did the job and we took the lands. who got btfo?

thanks for the job btw.

Columbus was Spanish

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>how can there be such a huge gap between me and a gf?

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Spain did alright throughout history

Far better than any Scandinavian country

Viva espana

We wuz retardz who painted like 5 year oldz n shieeet

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we were warriors conquering the while you were a bunch of faggots with a few pencils and brushes staying at home.

And "autogiro" -- helicopter father

Italians are brodos.

Spanish autism is a work of art.

That's why Italians went to our ports with agents to smuggle intel about the discoveries. Everyone defending italians here is being BTFO so hard.

This was a bait thread to make Spaniards go against Italians but we actually like Italy too much to do that.

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"English for shitposting"

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Francisco de Goya is patrician tier.

divide and conquer thread

Italy never threatened the French, English or Dutch, and so the achievements of its sons were happily promoted in general Western discourse. Spain, on the other hand, was a major enemy in the early modern era. It was thus demonised and its glories of the period in question remain unknown beyond its own borders. Said rivalries ultimately resulted in defeat for Spain, leading to its more recent history of lurching from one political disaster to another, which has obviously not produced conditions conducive to the sort of things hailed in the OP.

The Iberians nevertheless remain among the greatest imperial powers in human history, up with the English, the Russians, the Romans, Persians and Han.

Roman Iberian emperors: Trajan and Hadrian
Discovered the new world and Claimed for Spain
Explored most of south and north America before the Anglos even had a notion of colonization.

Nice try

Spain is whiter than Italia btw.

Seneca the Younger

This is now an Iberian Peninsula appreciation thread.
Covadonga, Asturias.

Iberian only in place of birth, both are known to have come from noble Italic families, at the very least paternally
it was 117 AD, they didn't let anybody be Emperor, yet

Italians are one of the best things this Earth has give to us

WE

Mini castle in lake, Portugal

Looks like you just mentioned a bunch of people who are famous for being Spanish rather than having accomplished anything of value.

Reminder that OP is a jealous brazilian monkey. He tried to spam this same shit in /bant/

Gorgeous

I regret not visiting this when I went to Sevilla.

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Fuck, I never saw a portrait of Seneca before, and he is the spitting image of a man I know from Granada. Oddly enough, though, this man is pretty stupid!