Because Spain was under military occupation by the Moors throughout the middle ages, and when the rest of Europe was heading into the renaissance, it was a devastated wasteland just starting to recover from the Reconquista wars.
Gavin Clark
I have a question: do you really think that on the pic is italy? You are baiting right?
Noah Morris
We were too busy spreading the True Faith by fire and steel across a brand new continent, we can't all be the renaissance equivalent of hipster faggots.
Carter Bell
>closely related peoples maybe here's your problem
Spaniards and Portuguese won an entire continent for catholicism, and some other countries, this already is a historical accomplishment
Dylan Parker
>Italians All South Italy Sicily and Sardina belong to Spen
Camden Anderson
Where does he say that pic is Italy?
Matthew Allen
how can there be such a huge gap in intellectual accomplishments between OP and other people?
Juan Harris
He talks about italians and the pic is called italy.jpg
Caleb Fisher
I have seen this exact OP a long time ago, try harder faget.
Kayden Allen
Neat digits
Ethan James
fuck you we invented the lobotomy
Xavier Peterson
Iberians : vasco de gama, magellan, bartholomeo dias, hernan cortes... Italians : marco polo (who was from croatia by the way) And you forgot velasquez as painter. But of course you should have more than an 70 IQ to know that...
Carson Davis
Spain: First global empire
Italians: We was Romans and meatballs
Daniel Brooks
I like spaniards on Sup Forums, most of them dont give a fuck when someone tries to bait them. They're literally the best posters.
Jace Mitchell
digis*
Parker Perez
they had early universities though
Ethan Foster
>early universities you mean madrassahs?
Blake Flores
You missed oceanic explorers. During the renaissance, Iberia was not nearly as affected by plague as the rest of Europe, which sequestered their best and brightest in Italian walled cities. Because of this, they explored trade routes to India, conquered the Americas, and solidified a hold that lasted a few hundred years on the high seas.
TL;DR, they were the chads of medeival urop
James Harris
nope, we also got plague- we started discoveries to find an alternative route to counteract genoa and venice monopoly with other actors ottoman empire, mamaluke sultanate etc contact with the silk road
Wyatt Lee
You're a moron: 1. An Iberia map named "italy.jpg" 2. Forgot Dali & Velasquez
The rest is ok, different genetics and culture, different achievements.
Luke Moore
not nearly as bad as the cold and wet north, but you are completely correct.
Carter Peterson
The north africans probably had a role in messing up their gene pool.
John Smith
And transaharan trade routes.
Robert Powell
It's almost like those achievements aren't entirely based on race but culture, wealth, infrastructure, etc... As far as I know Iberians were pretty advanced where it counted for them, warfare and navy tech.
Oliver Murphy
k
Jace Turner
>Spain: First global empire wrong
Ryan Peterson
it was the first transoceanic empire
Thomas Thomas
>they had early universities Universities were invented in Italy.
Easton Lewis
iberians are backwards and superstitious, that's why napoleon hated them, this also applies to México
Oliver Johnson
it's because the eternal castillian drags down the accomplishments of the rest of iberia.
Joseph Jenkins
Don't shit on Iberia, that's where Gibraltar is. Dickhead.
Levi Parker
Because Spain was invaded so many times by mudslimes
Carter Thomas
Actually, Iberia belongs to the Roman empire. The same applies to Gaul, Hellas, Macedon, Thracia, Anatolia, Aegypt, Judea, Assyria, Mesopotamia, Carthage, Numidia, Britannia, Dacia, Germania, and Dacia.
Barbarians shall submit to Roman authority.
Nathaniel Rogers
gib monkeys.
Henry Jenkins
> ashamed of his own flag
Ethan Flores
because both got raped by muslims, who were smarter than us at the time.
thank fuck inbreeding took care of that
Benjamin Ross
Velázquez?
Carson Rodriguez
It was my country.
Jaxson Miller
He also talks about Iberians, idiot.
William Jones
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Lincoln Morales
Spain is african.
I recommend you to go away and not come.
Jonathan Butler
>You missed oceanic explorers
lol they get btfo by Italians there too. Christopher Columbus was Italian and Amerigo Vespucci has the entire continent named after him.
William Kelly
Iberian Mathematicians XVI Century: >Juan de Celaya >Pedro Chacón >Pablo Cibramonte >Pedro Ciruelo >Martín Cortés de Albacar >Pedro Esquivel >Jaime Juan Falcó >Jerónimo Girava >Giuliano Ferrofino >Juan de Rojas y Sarmiento >Pedro Juan de Lastanosa >João Baptista Lavanha >Gaspar Lax >Juan Martínez Guijarro >Juan de Ortega (matemático) >Pedro Ambrosio de Ondériz >Pedro de Medina >Diego Pérez de Mesa >Juan Pérez de Moya >Martín de Rada >Jaime Salvador Solano >Baltasar Torres >Juan Bautista Villalpando >Rodrigo Zamorano XVII Century: >Francisco de Artiga >Juan Caramuel >Pablo Cibramonte >Juan Bautista Corachán >Jerónimo Cortés >Julio César Firrufino >Giuliano Ferrofino >Baltasar Íñigo >Sebastián Izquierdo >João Baptista Lavanha >Antonio Hugo de Omerique >Diego Pérez de Mesa >Miguel de Quirós >Sebastián de Rocafull >Tomás Vicente Tosca >Juan Bautista Villalpando >Rodrigo Zamorano >Bernardo José Zaragoza XVIII Century >Vicente Alcalá Galiano >Gaspar Álvarez >Juan Claudio Aznar de Polanco >Benito Bails >Juan García Berruguilla >María Andrea Casamayor >Tomàs Cerdà >Gabriel Císcar >Juan Bautista Corachán >Juan Antonio Desvalls >Antonio Eximeno >Antonio Pablo Fernández-Solano >Alonso de Frías y Zelarayán >Juan Justo García >Baltasar Íñigo >Jorge Juan HOW CAN ITALIANS EVEN COPETE?
Hudson Butler
>Christopher Columbus got his ships, money, and crew from spain. sorry barbarians, but the new world is a spanish accomplishment
Nolan Hill
>the Roman empire All the Roman Empire belong to the Nerva–Antonine dynasty
Jaxon Foster
those are all literally whos though anybody who studies maths can confirm(like me)
Chase Miller
I think an explanation can be found in the fact that Spain was a society of warriors.
Jackson Martinez
List of Spanish inventors and discoverers:
>A * [32]José de Acosta (1540–1600), one of the first [33]naturalists and [34]anthropologists of the Americas.[35][1] * Andrés Alcázar (1490-1585), neurosurgeon and anatomist, designed new tools for surgical treatments.[36][2] * [37]José María Algué (1856–1930), meteorologist, inventor of the barocyclometer, the nephoscope, and the microseismograph.[38][3][39][4] * [40]Jerónimo de Ayanz y Beaumont (1553–1613), registered design for steam-powered water pump for use in mines (1606).[41][5] * [42]Martín de Azpilicueta (1492–1586), [43]economist, member of the [44]School of Salamanca, precursor of the quantitative theory of money.[45][6] >B * [47]Ignacio Barraquer (1884–1965), leading [48]ophthalmologist, pioneer of [49]cataract surgery.[50][7] * [51]José Ignacio Barraquer (1916–1998), leading [52]ophthalmologist, father of modern [53]refractive surgery, he invented the [54]microkeratome and the [55]cryolathe, developed the surgical procedures of [56]keratomileusis and keratophakia.[57][8][58][9] * [59]Juan Pablo de Bonet (1573-1633), pioneer of education for the deaf, he published Reducción de las letras y arte para enseñar a hablar a los mudos ("Summary of the letters and the art of teaching speech to the mute") in 1620 in Madrid, the first modern treatise of sign language phonetics, setting out a method of oral education for deaf people and the first recognizable sign language alphabet.[60][10][61][11]
Jaxson Jenkins
>C * [64]Ángel Cabrera (1879–1960), naturalist, investigated the South-American fauna.[65][12] * [66]Nicolás Cabrera (1913–1989), physicist, did important work on the theories of [67]crystal growth and the [68]oxidisation of [69]metals.[70][13][71][14] * [72]Celedonio Calatayud (1880-1931) pioneered the use of [73]radiology and electrology in Europe for both diagnostics and therapeutical purposes, introducing [74]radiotherapy in Spain in 1906.[75][15] * [76]Manuel Cardona Castro (1934-2014), physicist, researched [77]superconductivity and the interaction of [78]electromagnetic radiation with a semiconductor material.[79][16] * [80]Julio Cervera Baviera (1854-1927), engineer, pioneer in the development of [81]radio, educator, explorer, and military man. He established the second and third regular radiotelegraph service in the history of the world in 1901 and 1902 by maintaining regular transmissions between [82]Tarifa and [83]Ceuta for three consecutive months, and between [84]Javea and [85]Ibiza. Some consider him the actual inventor of the radio.[86][17][87][18] * [88]Juan de la Cierva (1895–1936), aeronautical engineer, pioneer of rotary flight, inventor of the [89]autogyro.[90][19] * [91]Juan Ignacio Cirac Sasturain (born 1965), one of the pioneers of the field of quantum computing and quantum information theory.[92][20] * [93]Josep Comas i Solà (1868–1937), astronomer, discovered the periodic [94]comet [95]32P/Comas Solá and 11 [96]asteroids, and in 1907 observed limb darkening of [97]Saturn's moon [98]Titan (the first evidence that the body had an atmosphere).[99][21] * [100]Avelino Corma Canós (born 1951), chemist, distinguished for his world-leading work on [101]heterogeneous catalysis, developed catalysts that are being used commercially in several industrial processes.[102][22]
Nathaniel Myers
Do you know why we were the best on fencing? Because we were fucking good at maths. >Pic related.
Thomas Watson
>D * Francisco Díaz de Alcalá (1527-1590), urologist and doctor, wrote the first treatises on diseases of the bladder, kidneys, and urethra; he is generally regarded as the founder of modern [104]urology.[105][23] * [106]Pedro Duque (born 1963), astronaut and veteran of two space missions.[107][24] >E * [109]Fausto de Elhúyar (1755–1833), chemist, joint discoverer of [110]tungsten with his brother [111]Juan José de Elhúyar in 1783.[112][25] >F * Carlos Fernández Casado (1905–1988), civil engineer, designer and builder of bridges and [114]viaducts.[115][26] * Jaime Ferrán (1852–1929), doctor and researcher, discovered several vaccines.[116][27] >G * [118]Manuel García (1805-1906) singer, music educator, and vocal pedagogue, inventor of the first [119]laryngoscope.[120][28] * [121]Antoni de Gimbernat, (1734–1816), surgeon and anatomist, described in detail the anatomy of the inguinal and femoral regions of the human body and laid the groundwork for modern techniques of inguinal hernia repai. The lacunar ligament is named after him.[122][29][123][30] * [124]Alejandro Goicoechea Omar (1895-1984), engineer, worked for and co-founded [125]Talgo company, where he developed the Talgo trains famous [126]design.[127][31] >H * [129]Francisco Hernández (1514–1587), botanicist, carried out important research about the Mexican flora.[130][32] * [131]Juan de Herrera (1530-1597), architect, mathematician and geometrician, designed the construction plans of [132]El Escorial and the [133]Cathedral of Valladolid among others and created a compass to measure length and width and a machine to cut iron.[134][33] * Bartolomé Hidalgo Agüero (1530-1597), doctor, developed, described and evaluated a revolutionary healing method for stab wounds [135][34] * [136]Juan Huarte de San Juan (1529–1588), physician and psychologist, his Examen de ingenios para las ciencias was the first attempt to show the connexion between psychology and physiology.[137][35]
Andrew Morales
>J * Manuel Jalón Corominas (1925–2011), inventor of the [139]mop (1956) and a worldwide used "two-piece" disposable [140]syringe (1978).[141][36] * [142]Carlos Jiménez Díaz (1898–1967), doctor and researcher, leading figure in [143]pathology.[144][37] >L * [146]Rodrigo López de Segura (1540-1580), humanist and chess player, wrote one of the first definitive books about modern chess in Europe: [147]Libro de la invencion liberal y arte del juego del axedrez.[148][38] * [149]Emilio Herrera Linares (1879-1967), military engineer and physicist, designed a pressurized space suit for stratospheric flights (escafandra estratonáutica), precedent of the [150]modern space suits.[151][39] * [152]José Luis López Gómez (1941-) is an engineer and inventor. He made a number of inventions related to high speed trains. >M * [154]Gregorio Marañón (1887–1960), doctor and researcher, leading figure in endocrinology.[155][40] * [156]Narcís Monturiol (1818–1885), physicist and inventor, pioneer of underwater navigation and first machine powered [157]submarine.[158][41][159][42] * [160]José Celestino Bruno Mutis (1732–1808), botanicist, doctor, philosopher and mathematician, carried out relevant research about the American flora, founded one of the first astronomic observatories in America (1762).[161][43] * [162]Aureliano Maestre de San Juan (1828-1890), scientist, histologist, physician and anatomist credited as being one of the first scientists to recognize the disorder known as Kallmann syndrome.[163][44]
Samuel Ramirez
>O * [165]Severo Ochoa (1905–1993), doctor and biochemist, achieved the synthesis of [166]ribonucleic acid (RNA), [167]Nobel prize Laureate (1959).[168][45] * Federico Olóriz Aguilera, (1855-1912), doctor, created the primary fingerprint classification system used in Portugal and Spain prior to the use of computer filing systems.[169][46] * [170]Mateu Orfila (1787–1853), doctor and chemist, father of modern [171]toxicology, leading figure in forensic toxicology.[172][47] * [173]Joan Oró (1923–2004), biochemist, carried out important research about the origin of life, he worked with [174]NASA on the [175]Viking missions.[176][48] >P * Julio Palacios Martínez (1891–1970), physicist and mathematician.[178][49] * [179]Isaac Peral (1851–1895), engineer and sailor, designer of the first fully operative military submarine. [180][50] * Juan Tomás Porcell (1528-1580), doctor and anatomist, carried decisive research on the [181]Black Death and wrote influential treaties of epidemiology.[182][51] >R * [184]Santiago Ramón y Cajal (1852–1934), father of [185]Neuroscience, [186]Nobel prize Laureate (1906).[187][52] * [188]Julio Rey Pastor (1888–1962), mathematician, leading figure in geometry.[189][53] * [190]Wifredo Ricart (1897–1974), engineer, designer and executive manager in the automotive industry.[191][54] * [192]Andrés Manuel del Río (1764–1849), [193]geologist and [194]chemist, discovered [195]vanadium (as [196]vanadinite) in 1801.[197][55] * [198]Pío del Río Hortega (1882–1945), [199]neuroscientist, discoverer of the [200]microglia or Hortega cell.[201][56] * [202]Félix Rodríguez de la Fuente (1928–1980), naturalist, leading figure in ornithology, ethology, ecology and science divulgation.[203][57] * [204]Ángela Ruiz Robles (1895-1975) teacher, writer and inventor, pioneer of the [205]electronic book.[206][58]
Easton Fisher
Protip: they are arabs
Jaxon Murphy
>S * [208]Margarita Salas (born 1938), biochemist, molecular genetist and researcher.[209][59] * [210]Mónico Sánchez Moreno (1880-1961), electrical engineer, inventor and industrialist; early developer of high frequency electrical conduction equipment, [211]mobile telephony, [212]radiology, [213]electrotherapy and inventor of the first portable [214]X-ray machine in 1909.[215][60] * [216]Miguel Servet (1511–1553), scientist, surgeon and humanist; first European to describe [217]pulmonary circulation.[218][61] * [219]Luis Simarro Lacabra (1851–1921), psychiatrist; developed a [220]silver bromide modification of Camillo Golgi's [221]silver chromate technique.[222][62] >T * [224]Esteban Terradas i Illa (1883–1950), mathematician, physicist and engineer.[225][63] * [226]Leonardo Torres Quevedo (1852–1936), engineer and mathematician, pioneer of automated calculation machines, inventor of the automatic chess, pioneer of [227]remote control, designer of the funicular over the [228]Niagara Falls.[229][64][230][65][231][66] * [232]Eduardo Torroja (1899–1961), civil engineer, structural architect, world famous specialist in concrete structures.[233][67][234][68] * [235]Juanelo Turriano (1500-1585) Italo-Spanish [236]clockmaker, [237]engineer and [238]mathematician, he built the [239]Artificio de Juanelo, an engine that, driven by the river itself, lifted water from the [240]Tagus to a height of almost 100 meters.[241][69] * [242]Josep Trueta (1897–1977), doctor, his new method for treatment of open wounds and fractures helped save a great number of lives during World War II.[243][70] >U * [245]Antonio de Ulloa (1716–1795), scientist, soldier and author; joint discoverer of element [246]platinum with [247]Jorge Juan y Santacilia (1713–1773).[248][71]
Owen Lewis
>V * [250]Francisco Vallés (1524-1592), physician, regarded as the founder of modern [251]anatomical pathology.[252][72] * [253]Joseph de la Vega (1650–1692), businessman, wrote Confusion of Confusions (1688), first book on [254]stock markets.[255][73] * [256]Arnold of Villanova (c. 1235–1311), alchemist and physician, he discovered [257]carbon monoxide and pure [258]alcohol.[259][74][260][75] * [261]Francisco de Vitoria (c. 1480/86 – 1546), member of the [262]School of Salamanca, precursor of [263]international law theory.[264][76]
Aiden Richardson
We invented the submarine ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Grayson Powell
>Italians get BTFO'd this hard in their own bait thread
Camden Ramirez
Too busy establishing conkangstador dicktatorships in the americas.
Nathaniel Thompson
Mmmm... only regular "inventions" thats why Mexico is, whas, and will be fucked
you forgot the part where portugal and spain colonized half the world..you're cute.
Lucas Richardson
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Jackson Clark
Fucking love Carlos II images
Tyler Morgan
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Ryder Wood
>Christopher Columbus was Italian and Amerigo Vespucci has the entire continent named after him.
my friend, did you realize the story are you telling is fucking sad for italy? so you did the job and we took the lands. who got btfo?
thanks for the job btw.
Chase Evans
Columbus was Spanish
Angel Hernandez
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Nolan Rivera
>how can there be such a huge gap between me and a gf?
Oliver Hall
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Ryder Harris
Spain did alright throughout history
Far better than any Scandinavian country
Xavier Scott
Viva espana
Jaxon Martinez
We wuz retardz who painted like 5 year oldz n shieeet
Ethan Rogers
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Gavin Baker
we were warriors conquering the while you were a bunch of faggots with a few pencils and brushes staying at home.
Brody Harris
And "autogiro" -- helicopter father
Italians are brodos.
Hudson Gutierrez
Spanish autism is a work of art.
Thomas Moore
That's why Italians went to our ports with agents to smuggle intel about the discoveries. Everyone defending italians here is being BTFO so hard.
Samuel Cook
This was a bait thread to make Spaniards go against Italians but we actually like Italy too much to do that.
Thomas Edwards
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John Powell
"English for shitposting"
Kevin Myers
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Julian Smith
Francisco de Goya is patrician tier.
Hudson Martin
divide and conquer thread
Parker Allen
Italy never threatened the French, English or Dutch, and so the achievements of its sons were happily promoted in general Western discourse. Spain, on the other hand, was a major enemy in the early modern era. It was thus demonised and its glories of the period in question remain unknown beyond its own borders. Said rivalries ultimately resulted in defeat for Spain, leading to its more recent history of lurching from one political disaster to another, which has obviously not produced conditions conducive to the sort of things hailed in the OP.
The Iberians nevertheless remain among the greatest imperial powers in human history, up with the English, the Russians, the Romans, Persians and Han.
Ryder Smith
Roman Iberian emperors: Trajan and Hadrian Discovered the new world and Claimed for Spain Explored most of south and north America before the Anglos even had a notion of colonization.
Nice try
Nathaniel Bailey
Spain is whiter than Italia btw.
William Allen
Seneca the Younger
Adrian Martin
This is now an Iberian Peninsula appreciation thread. Covadonga, Asturias.
Adrian Ward
Iberian only in place of birth, both are known to have come from noble Italic families, at the very least paternally it was 117 AD, they didn't let anybody be Emperor, yet
Charles Bennett
Italians are one of the best things this Earth has give to us
Carson Roberts
WE
Jeremiah Jones
Mini castle in lake, Portugal
Jackson Adams
Looks like you just mentioned a bunch of people who are famous for being Spanish rather than having accomplished anything of value.
Owen Barnes
Reminder that OP is a jealous brazilian monkey. He tried to spam this same shit in /bant/
Oliver Anderson
Gorgeous
Mason Morales
I regret not visiting this when I went to Sevilla.
Jeremiah Rodriguez
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Aiden Stewart
Fuck, I never saw a portrait of Seneca before, and he is the spitting image of a man I know from Granada. Oddly enough, though, this man is pretty stupid!