Why are you against free migration, Sup Forums? According to economists, open borders would double the world's real GDP

Why are you against free migration, Sup Forums? According to economists, open borders would double the world's real GDP.

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>open borders would double the world's real GDP.
>that matters
kys

Why wouldn't doubling the world's capacity to produce goods and services matter?

Race =Family
Family over money

money matters more than i.q race and religion

Schlomo your Jewishness is showing


S A G E

>Yes. Let's ignore the intricate borders our ansestors spend decades and even centuries establishing. Because everyone in the past is dumb and /iamverysmart/

Race = Millions of strangers who shared an ancestor thousands of years ago.

I'm not against free migration. I'm against government handouts and both applauding and subsidizing negative cultures and third world belief systems that don't belong in the modern world.

You can call me a nazi if you want.

because the western world already produces enough goods to keep herself quite content you nigger loving jew

I'm against welfare payments too. Why would you assume that I'm not?

>religion
I'd take money over bullshit anyday.

Economic scarcity still exists in the western world. Relatively poverty and even absolutely poverty are still issues in the West.

>absolutely poverty
did the industrial revolution fix that when it came about?
no it didn't
so how would moving people around fix that?
besides
>Relatively poverty
>that is a thing

And it would all end up in the hands of (((you know who))).

You see, with the modern level of automation, if we use biological weapons in Africa to wipe out the niggers and muslims and gas the kikes, the world GDP per capita will grow by 800%, because we will have less mouths to feed and all the shit for ourselves.

Full globalization and open borders are the inevitable outcome of technological progress. It's going to come sooner or later, and you can try to delay it but there's really nothing you can do to stop it.

Because you wouldn't ask about the former without first achieving the latter. Free migration without the dismantlement of welfare systems is nonsense.

Am I against free migration? Under current circumstances, of course. And since I think that so are you... this thread is pointless.

>double GDP
>quintuple the population
something tells me you're not saying something.

what you suggest would cause my quality of life to plummet

>GDP is more important than harmony, happiness, security, etc.

market fetishists disgusts me

yeah, I'll pay $2 more for my grapes, hold the gang rape and degeneracy, thank you

The industrial revolution did help solve the problem of absolutely poverty.

As for "moving people around", a person's level of productivity isn't inherent. Your productivity depends on the machines your working with, your coworkers, the environment you're working in. A Somali person in his native country may only produce as much as 1000 dollars worth of goods and services in a year but if he moves to New York he can drive a tax and earn 30,000 dollars per year.

Because I though socialists were against the rich getting richer

Liberals are all about economics until you mention the economic problems with their policies, then I'm a greedy bastard for being obsessed with money.
Really gets the noggin joggin

>globalization
>with open boarders

Ah yes make one of the most overpopulated cities even more populated. Very good oh and now everyone gets first world delights I'm sure this is great for the enviroment.

literal fucking retard. If you have open borders, all the poor people go to the richest places so they can get better benefits (welfare).
Or have you not been paying attention for the last fucking 40years?
(((economists))) have discarded their integrity to push a political agenda.
OR HAVE YOU NOT BEEN WATCHING FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS?
Fucking neck yourself, anyone thats not been asleep knows you're talking out of your ass. All it means is noone sends money to the poor countries anymore because they havent fucking got any spare, being as their wages are pushed thru the floor by excessive competition and they have to pay to support a leeching, incompetent 3rd world population in their countries. Oh yeah. Did i mention the leechers want to kill all the white locals because they own more things than them? Because they work and buy them? Instead of expecting them for free?
Sage fucking shill thread

I 'increase gdp' selling my asshole too but i choose not to.

Its my fucking choice that i have a right to make in my country where i pay taxes and migrants have zero say in it

I'm not a liberal. I'm a libertarian.

This, more than likely you won't even see a discount they'll charge you regular price and make a killing because of their use of cheap labor furthering the cycle of the rich getting richer and poor getting poorer. Migration hurts all countries involved in the long run.

His work in Ethiopia does more for the net gain than his taxi driving.

There's fascets of human society besides services providing.

>The industrial revolution did help solve the problem of absolutely poverty.
did it? Funny because I am working twice as much with a lot less land because of the industrial revolution

>As for "moving people around", a person's level of productivity isn't inherent. Your productivity depends on the machines your working with, your coworkers, the environment you're working in. A Somali person in his native country may only produce as much as 1000 dollars worth of goods and services in a year but if he moves to New York he can drive a tax and earn 30,000 dollars per year.
huh.. Doesn't bringing more people in to a place increase the amount of people needed to service those people? Doesn't sound like that solves the problem. Sounds like it makes it worse.

If the HDI and per capita incomes of all nations were equal, open borders would be a good idea.
Currently, it's only implementable for first world nations.

...

Doubles global GDP average by taking from the rich countries and giving it to Muslim and African nations
>kys

Open migration is beneficial because of the huge differences between countries. If all countries had equal per capita income, there would be very little incentive to immigrate.

Denmark - population 5.7 million, GDP $300 Billion
Bangladesh - population 163 million, GDP $250 Billion

Listen goy, if you just imported the entire population of Bangladesh into Denmark, you would almost double Denmark's GDP! Sure there might be a slight decline in the quality of life, but think of the economy!

so how does that help the poor countries get richer genius?
How does that end inequality? It doesnt. It perpetuates it.
And all so you can pretend you're a good person.

I have no problems with European and Anglo immigration to the States. However I am against importing worthless nonwhites by using outdated methods instead of adopting automation. 15% of our population is foreign born most of them being nonwhites.

>What is Automation

Because doubling the amount of wealth created does not make everybody twice as rich. It makes the very wealthiest much wealthier. At best, the rest of us become marginally richer, and at worst, it makes the majority poorer and contributes to job loss and de-industrialization

>double the world's GDP
I'll be OK with this once I am making most of my money from investments and I live in a forest far away from civilization.

I never said inequality is bad. As I said, you're all assuming I'm a leftie. I'm a libertarian. As for poor countries, the workers who remain in those countries would see increases in their wages and families of emigrating workers would receive remittances. But generally, the biggest winners would be the workers who immigrate and earn much higher wages abroad.

My anus isn't ready for rapeugees yet.

Why do you think that some countries are poor? Do you think there is something magical about eastern Asia, north America, western Europe, etc? What causes poverty? I'm interested.

at the detriment of the native workers who would see a decrease in wages due to a surplus of workers, an increase in real estate prices and a decrease in living standards

Immigrant workers don't have the same set of skills as native-born workers so they're not substitutes in production. Immigrant labor complements native-born labor, so wages could in fact increase for the average native-born worker.

>Immigrant workers don't have the same set of skills as native-born workers so they're not substitutes in production.
kek nice statement you have there! Like some proof of that

> Immigrant labor complements native-born labor, so wages could in fact increase for the average native-born worker.
idk user. if there is an increase in the supply of a product the value of the product naturally decreases

Who this?!

You need to take a course in labor economics, user. If immigrant labors and not similar to native born labor, it's misleading to conceptualize all laborers as one type of input for production. If two workers are sufficiently different, they're not really substitutes in production and it's more useful to think of them as different types of inputs (that's why labor economists sometimes distinguish routine labor from non-routine labor, high-skilled and non-skilled, etc).

"The world"
How about these "enriched" lands? The value drops, it's just good for the less country's.
We are working on automation so in the few instances it's useful (filling jobs nobody really wants) we would be taking in people, keeping them busy for a few years
then telling them to stay home and collect a check.
Worse still, is that automation isn't just for the jobs nobody wants, were going to have allot of people who need money, food etc soon.

Go be a globalist libertarian somewhere else.

you're in denial. The more benefits the first world pays to immigrants, the less disposable income they have to give to charity, which aids the third world.
Not only are you stripping the third world of its most enterprising people, you are starving it of the only funds which keep it from descending into famine and anarchy. MILLIONS die, because you want to virtue signal.
Just wind it in. If you were a libertarian you would believe people wouldnt have to pay 3/4 of their earnings to keep other people alive who refuse to support themselves. You would belive it was their choice to give to charity, instead of a governemnt stepping in and garnishing their wages.
More than anything, your premise is retarded - if everyone moves to the first world, and no one pays for the third world, what fucking jobs are you expecting the third worlders to get?
Manufacturing? In africa? Theyr gonna meet the standards for sure arent they!
Just face it. Immigration has absolutely no benefit to anyone in the host country. Even for skilled imports its still some foreigner taking a job and the training for that job from a local person. Why? That guy then needs benefits that i have to pay for, and all so the company can charge more profit than they deserve by cutting their labour costs unfairly. Plus i have to pay the government for the benefits the company gets for diversity quota-ing.
Tell me one benefit of immigration for the host country. Not the companies or the individual. The country

I'm not a globalist. I don't support international organizations like the UN, WTO, etc. I merely think that governments should allow people around the world to associate and trade with each other voluntarily.

Here's a concise economics lesson from Bryan Caplan, friend.

youtu.be/uXMnAPGY1uE

>If immigrant labors and not similar to native born labor, it's misleading to conceptualize all laborers as one type of input for production.
why? We all start out as low skilled laborers. By bringing in more unskilled laborers you increase the amount of people who could specialize, including immigrants who come. who then lower standards of living

Yeah it would make the richest richer and destroy the middle class.

(((GDP)))

It's the biggest Jewscam measurement to scam "birth rates" as a cause for cultural "replacement" (insane communist concept). Ebbs and flows are 100% natural and important. leftist-Jews treat the world like culture doesn't exist. They want to eradicate it. Sick, pollute mental disease, where the world is their toy to fuck with like no one matters.

GDP translates to shor-term "gains" while sacrificing any hope of prosperity and peace. Exactly what the elites want. Elites can afford to live anywhere, anytime. They want to exploit the world and don't care about local prosperity and cultural cohesion. They don't care about peace. Elites live in ivory towers. Leftists live in mental ivory towers.

what fucking job can an immigrant do that a local cant? Name one job that an illiterate african can do that a western white man cant. What fucking bullshit. Fucking labor economics. You youth are so fucking gullible, you have completely lost the ability to think for yourselves. Total indoctrination. A teacher actually told you that foreign workers have a different niche that perfetly complements the whole.....what a fucking load of bollocks. I guarantee you i know more about labour economics than your teacher. I guarantee i would know more if i had never fucking heard of money.
Yeah i mean because there is so much shit that say, muslims from the middle eastern deserts or chinese from the grotty tower blocks have to bring to our imperfect society. you know like knowing what it's like to not have any personal agency or take responsbility for your actions FOR YOUR ENTIRE FUCKING LIFE.
Yeah, if only we knew how to do that! Teach me achmed, my puny white brain doesnt know how to live for free off welfare my entire life...pleeease. pleeeease lend me your wisdom

If you're not entering the work force with more skills than the average immigrant worker, you're doing something wrong.

HAHAHAHAHAHA
>I cant make the argument so here is a video who can

not an argument

Nonwhite immigration has also made us unlivable, tons of people want the 1965 immigration act removed in favor of more Europeans and Anglos to come here. Most EU countries are getting loads of niggers and arabs. A lot of them do want to come here and are beneficially better then what we currently get. I rather have tons of Slavs and Brits coming here then Spics and Asians.

Why should society give up large economic surpluses just because some high school dropout retards might suffer because of immigrants?

why should a people give up their heritage and culture for a beast that only feasts on them?

the point at which you believed that this would happen is where you went wrong - better luck next time.

comedy.
>no you dont understand, you just need to listen to more nonsensical propaganda by "economics experts" who are demonstrably the most incompetent "economists" who have ever lived or practised the field.
Or do you actually think that rampant inflation, constant market crashes, complete lack of integrity or accountability, plummeting wages, spirralling wealth gap, and the richest people in the world having more money than actually could ever really exit in the world is a fucking IMPROVEMENT on the economic thinkers of the rest of history?
Your modern gods are heretics and traitors. They have no fucking clue what they are doing, and only care about enriching themselves. Like im gonna take a lecture from a fucking eunuch

Because communists and leftist-Jews hate people. They hate culture. They hate global diversity. Anyone they can't exploit like a human pawn stripped of their individuality is a threat to their horrific cold calculated bottom line masked my propaganda appealing to sheep.

>this bullshit thread again

why are you bumping it Sup Forums?

stop

(((Economists)))

so i was watching the underground fight on youtube.com/watch?v=_TWCEV5U09c
and i noticed from between 6.40 to 6.46 you can clearly see an antifa faggot club an old man with his back turned in the head, putting him to the floor. The cunt then skips off into the crowd. Do what you do pol. Find this fucker and bring him to sweet, sweet justice.
>inb4 notmypersonalarmy

Remember when Sup Forums had a sizable libertarian population? Now its just economically-ignorant high school dropout alt-right losers.

yeah those stupid rural and suburbanite retards

Those are the same Libertarians, they've just grown up and so will you.

then start with the fake state of Is-ra-hell. Open borders and open immigration for that excrement hole.What (((Barbara Lerner Specter))) said about Sweden will be imposed on Is-ra-hell. #KalergiPlanforIsrael #MorgenthauPlanforIsrael #freeMordechaiVannunu #noNUKESforIsrael

That better be a real girl or my boner is going to be very confused

>economically illiterate
well i think we've proved you dont have ANY evidence to back up your infantile naivety, and you dont even understand the basics of supply and demand, so maybe you should consider that your condescension is utterly ironic.

No, I understand the basics of supply and demand very well. I'm a first year economics PhD student. You don't understand the idea of heterogeneous labor inputs.

>According to economists
I wish everyone would warn people that an idea is really bad from the start just like this.

>i'll pay more..
>hurr ill just pay more for everything cause im swimming in money
ya if u can even afford it you fucking idiot moron.

ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY!

Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY white country and ONLY into white countries.

The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third worlders and quote assimilating unquote with them.

Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY white country and ONLY white countries to “assimilate,” i.e., intermarry, with all those non-whites.

What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-blacks were brought into EVERY black country and ONLY into black countries?

How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?

And how long would it take any sane black man to notice this and what kind of psycho black man wouldn’t object to this?

But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

And blend the world into one nigger-Asian-spic blend of Muslims and Christcucka with a a small minority of Jews running the world

>According to economists, open borders would double the amount of money the 0.1% already has while stagnating wealth of everyone else
FTFY you fucking shitposting cunt

maybe next time you can let that show instead of letting your teachers down

seriously give it up. I dont understand the idea of a diverse workforce? Are you retarded?
So spell out these amazing benefits that you were indoctrinated into... and fyi if you think a phd intimidates me then you're a fucking muppet. Everyone i know has one. They are equivalent to o levels in the sixties nowadays, in prestige and content.

Dumb, economically ignorant alt-right shitposters BTFO

>This paper asks the following question: what was the effect of surging immigration on average and individual wages of U.S.-born workers during the period 1990-2004? We emphasize the need for a general equilibrium approach to analyze this problem. The impact of immigrants on wages of U.S.-born workers can be evaluated only by accounting carefully for labor market and capital market interactions in production. Using such a general equilibrium approach we estimate that immigrants are imperfect substitutes for U.S.- born workers within the same education-experience-gender group (because they choose different occupations and have different skills). Moreover, accounting for a reasonable speed of adjustment of physical capital we show that most of the wage effects of immigration accrue to native workers within a decade. These two facts imply a positive and significant effect of the 1990-2004 immigration on the average wage of U.S.-born workers overall, both in the short run and in the long run. This positive effect results from averaging a positive effect on wages of U.S.-born workers with at least a high school degree and a small negative effect on wages of U.S.-born workers with no high school degree.

nber.org/papers/w12497

Let's look at the situation from a different frame. If you are a businessman who wishes to locate his business in a first world white country because of the high social trust, orderly institutions and low crime rate, but you are not intelligent or industrious enough to run this business profitably without importing a low IQ third world workforce, then perhaps you are just not cut out for competing in the first world business environment. I would recommend that such people either take up waged labor in the service of a more effective businessman, or relocate to the third world, where their business talents will be more competitive.

>nber.org/papers/w12497
>54 page paper
>im gonna read it for a retarded Sup Forums arguement
didnt the internet explode around that time?

>an infinite source of unskilled, outsourced foreign labour results in general equilibrium of supply and demand.
You need to sack your teacher user. This is just too funny.

Also once again, your premise and your retarded article are fundamentally flawed - you are working from the premise that all immigrants are workers.
Not even 10% of them are, the rest are benefit tourists, certainly in britain anyway.
And you're not taking into account the economic cost of paying benefits for those workers that are replaced. The entire study is flawed and unscientific, and i dont even need to read it, just that one paragraph. Its totally fabricated to give a required result, like the vast majority of modern "intellectualism", and why noone takes you seriously anymore.

>I understand labor economics better than a LSE professor

Are you serious?

Sho2 me that porecelain pink pucci

MUH CONSUMERISM

I'm against open borders in my country for the same reason I'm against open borders in my house. If your Pro open border is in your country you should be Pro open borders in your house as well. Let everyone in. Let them eat your food sit on your couch use your bathroom and change the atmosphere of your house. Also be sure to tell everyone that your house is open.

>someone shitting claims out of their ass without any evidence to back it up claiming to be an expert
I thought I ordered the clowns only for yesterday night

Wow, it all makes sens... oh?

youtube.com/watch?v=rBRxt5ufnGg

Open em up.

comedy. even better. Your article brazenly claims that wages have got comparatively HIGHER for workers between 1990 and 2004.
Fucking kek. Seriously. Yeah people are paid better in relation to the cost of living now than in 1990.
And that should be all the proof you need that you're a retard. The fundamental claim of that article is demonstrably untrue, and anyone thats been working during that time instead of sitting in a classroom trading blowjobs for indoctrination could have told you that

It probably would double the world GDP. Cheap labour is good for business.

Who gets all that extra cash? All the corporations are doing great now, stocks are ballooning -- but salaries are stagnant.

What you'll get with a borderless world is basically the third world everywhere instead of just the third world.

yes. because your professor knows nothing except how to bamboozle halfwits with nonsensical made up language and obviously flawed theories.
I thought i was pretty clear, if you had a REAL economics teacher, i wouldnt be able to make that claim. But unfortunately they dont exist anymore. Just jewish propaganda to prop up the fractional reserve lending banking classes

no user. you dont understand. Different people from different countries want different houses, so that makes everything okay. They dont all want the same house you see, they like different styles. Glad we got that all sorted out. Problem solved, open the borders

stop bumping this thread you retards. sage

If you believed in all this open borders BS, you'd illegally cross over into Canada and demand gibs. I'm still waiting for the mass liberal exodus promised after Bush in '04, and none of you faggots delivered. I'll give Gerard Depardeu (so?) credit though; man migrated to Russia because he was sick of French taxes.