Why do you care so much about a statue?

Why do you care so much about a statue?
Since you do care so much, why not exercise your rights as Americans by organizing and raising money to buy property and privately erect a new statue for every one torn down?

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>Why do you care so much about a statue?
Because this is just the beginning, they are not planning to stop at civil war statues.

Worth more than your life.

Ignore the confederate and Nazi larpers The events of the last few days should be a wakeup call to them that you're not welcome. You're counter-productive to our Trump movement. You cause nothing but problems

I'm legitimately curious. Personally I think that the Antifa's protests of the statues is just as silly, but if our elected government officials decide that our tax money shouldn't be spent on the upkeep of these statues, then shouldn't the people who care so much about them just take it on themselves to create new statues that they maintain themselves?

>Why do you care so much about a statue?
The estatics

Better men than you fought in that war.

Better man than you.

>Why do you care so much about a statue?
I dont
I care about fighting the left

I don't doubt that or deny it but I also don't see how it's relevant

because it brings in tourist revenue.

So would a whorehouse. I think I know what we should replace it with.

Or just say enough is enough and start killing public officials.
We must restore the peace.
Remember the people hold the power.

These are the Semiotic Wars. If the Civil War was over slavery, these wars are over the cover art to "Uncle Tom's Cabin".

because once history is destroyed it is lost forever. we dont know what happened to all of the great civilizations of the world because whoever did it, definitely removed all evidence of how it happened. We get wiped out all the time. there is something very wrong with our history on this planet.

So does legalizing drugs

>Why do you care so much about a statue?

lel, why do you?

why do the others care so much to remove them?

Or just say enough is enough and start killing public officials.
Remember the people hold the power.

Well I'm curious about that as well.

Every one of those statues should be replaced with 10 ft tall General Sherman.

Just for fun.

Do the Left honestly know how old these statues are, hundreds of years. It in that right is history.

But it is also what it represents, it is American history and very much so American heritage. This isn't some foreign war where we went over seas to kill a bunch of gooks. These were Americans that fought against Americans. If it weren't why then do we call it the CIVIL WAR?

Families were even torn from each other to fight on opposite sides and killed each other on the battlefield. Can The Left say that about WWII that is larped so heavy? How about Korea? How about Vietnam? How about the Gulf War? How about Iraq? How about Afghanistan, Pakistan, or any other war there after? NO!

Why do we care? Why are we passionate? The Left are discrediting a very bloody war, changing history and destroying it with violence. This is America, if THE LEFT don't like it so much THE LEFT can get the hell out. Our history will not be erased.

It's the action that infuriates us. The idea that something is so offending that it belongs covered up in a museum just goes to show how politically correct and easily hurt our society has become.

honor/pride some other pleb horseshit

Because niggers blame it on their shitty lives. All non blacks wanting them down are just virtue signaling.

Instead of destroying things just make something cool as a counterpoint and put it next to the other thing, then people can see both sides and you get two neat statues out of it.

Seems kinda obvious.

So let's imagine a BIG hypothetical for a minute here.

Lets imagine that in 50 years there is a huge holy war and that somehow muslims win and the US becomes an Islamic state where Christians are hunted down and killed. The Muslim leaders put up statues everywhere of Islamic prophets and terrorists.

Finally after another long, bloody war, the Christians manage to take back control of the U.S.!

You're telling me you'd be first in line to defend the statues of Islamic prophets and terrorists from demolition because they are important historic artifacts?

Because it represents a part of history. Removing it is like trying to alter the past because it offends you. It's like Fahrenheit 451 is starting, they burned books for peace of mind, so the books couldn't offend anyone. They want to try to erase a part of history because it offends them. WHAT THE FUCK.

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they would build mosques and no I would not tear them down. Or if they were to be tore down for whatever reason I would want them well documented. so in 200 years my ancestors wouldnt fall for that again. You can avoid these things if you know the past and it hasnt been tainted by feelings.

Fair enough.

Statues honoring the worst war in America's history and the suffering of the entire nation, an ever present reminder of the mistakes of the past is not the same as statues put up by conquering invaders. Did anyone protest eastern Europe tearing down Lenin and Stalin statues?

>Why do you care so much about a statue?
Historical preservation.

But the historical impact is the same.

>honoring a man responsible for more American deaths than ISIS

Don't you understand that if you take a piece of history like a Confederate memorial and tear it down, tomorrow you can tear down a Union memorial? And tomorrow you may tear down World War and Revolutionary monuments. And soon you may demolish historic buildings and museums. And then you may turn Northerner against Southerner. And Southerner against Southerner, and try to foist your own twisted morality upon the mind of man. If you can do one, you can do the other. Because fanaticism and ignorance are forever busy, and need feeding.

Because it creates understanding of how Americans view of the world has changed over the last 200 years. It reminds people that men used to had a much different relationship with the State and with each other than they do now, and that the current modality is not permanent and eternal. They remind us that we're only part of a continuum.

And these fucking communists want to remove that understanding and replace it with an all powerful, eternal State.

Okay, let me turn it around.

Why do they care so much about statues, that they are tearing them down?

This, I'm not even a Nazi but I see what's going on.

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I just care.

Put them in a museum or Confederate cemetery.

Why don't a bunch of New England/California transplants go back where they came from and retards stop busing themselves in to other people's homes, tearing shit up and telling them how to live, and leaving them to pick up the pieces and pay for he damages? Fucking dickless commies run their own states into the ground and flee like roaches to other states and push their state-destroying bullshit on everyone else. Fucking drown in your own shit already.

Why was it so important to the antifa? The statue would have been removed even if they stayed home. They showed up, wearing masks, looking to start some trouble.

This user is right, we need to erect statues of King George the third NOW!!

Lads, read about Cecil Rhodes and #rhodesmustfall


We have statues of him at our University in Oxford, but Niggers who got in tried to tear it down because of Muh slavery.

Guess what happened next?

We called the Niggers out for the ISIS tier cunts they are trying to destroy history.

So, how the fuck have you lads come off so badly in doing the same?

You need to STOP it, stop them from doing it, whatever the cost.


>theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/09/take-it-down-rhodes-must-fall-campaign-marches-through-oxford

You dont let them win, you dont. some things are worth fighting for.

I don't think you grasp this whole history thing. And no one would give a fuck if you put up some statues of King George.

The statues were built in the 20th century, the one in charlesville in the 1920s during a wave a racist sentiment.
These men were Americans, Americans guilty of treason. You wouldn't respond kindly to seeing a statue of Benedict Arnold on public property at the behest of bitter English-americans.

I wonder too why the right cares about democrats in statue form.

I don't think you grasp this whole "let's not celebrate perpetrators of treason" thing.

I am so sick of CNN, watching it with their screeching is just.... well they are fake news, they couldn't report the truth if their life depended on it.

Why are you tolerating CNN, they are talking you down ALL THE FUCKING TIME.

Its the same in the UK a bit with BREXIT, some news channels cannot report anything good about it, becuase they are part of the narrative, its impossible for them to be objective.

CNN is the worst news channel in the world, seriously you need to begin to work out how to shut them down, suggestions?

They will get you with some dumb shit like "Zoning Laws" and the judges would go along with it.

I say something obvious and this thread goes silent. Why are typical alt-right poltards so fucking myopic

There was no law against states leaving the UNION. Holy fuck, will Americans please read the Constitution and understand what it means in conjunction with the 10 Amendment? And then read about the type of political and economic underhanded shit being pulled on the south and common man in the north?

>defending the confederacy
Traitor detected

if you are offended by an inanimate object, you are an emotional toddler and should be treated as such in all aspects of life

>Supporting usurpation of the Constitution by good goy railroad lawyer Lincoln and his banker buddies.
Keep licking that Fed dick like a good boy. That war ended many of the rights the people had to legally resist federal authorities overstepping their bounds, the same government that allows you to be replaced in your own country. But at least you can circle jerk with your girlfriend and her bull about how tolerant you are.

>Implying

So somehow at the end of this I'm supposed to think we should keep up our statues of general lee and Co, that they were the good guys, that they deserve to be celebrated? And even further, this should be accepted in the American mainstream? Gonna need you to take off your Sup Forums goggles and get real bucko, is a federalist boot-lickin world out there and Dale Gribbles can only ever exist as a vocal minority.

>everything on Sup Forums revolves around black dick

Hmm, really makes you think.

>Lol I don't know what you're talking about because I never bothered to educate myself about this subject beyond empty cliches, but fuck these white people!
>But totalitarianism is okay as long as it's my side doing it.
Yeah, no surprise you people have no legitimate arguments to justify this.

But it's not about veneration. It's about not laser removing the scar created by one of the deepest cuts in US History which could very well lead us on a slippery slope to the removal of other monuments deemed "offensive."

I just don't want to see the statues destroyed, I'd be happy if they made it to a museum, but I understand how cities have been built around these monuments to create aesthetic urban layouts such a Richmond's Monument Ave. I also understand there would be a hit to historical tourism with their removal. You don't have to be a Nazi to appreciate the history of the civil war and want to visit all the monuments associated with it.

>He sees black dick where it was never mentioned.
Yep, you commies are bunch of weak fucks for your black overlords, I guess. Maybe they'll finally give you that pat on your head you yearn for if you tear down enough statues for them and give them more money. Such good mules

>Why do you care so much about a statue?

Because they serve as a reminder to Dixie that they should never give up their identity

The Union was shit back then, and it's shit today

These fuckers dont are about the state,they just want to start the race war

literally what the fuck are you talking about
Compelling argument, user. If it is the will of the people to remove such monuments however I will defend them. Statues glorifying figures like General Lee send the wrong message, wouldn't you agree?

If it's shit why don't you jokers try a seceding again?

Also, there are monuments in New England dedicated to the British in the Revolutionary War. Go tear those down, you petulant children.

Why do you morons always do the same thing? You censor something, you fire someone, you cross a boundary, and when people get angry you go "why so angry maaan, why do you caaaare?"

Well why do YOU care? You were the first that stuck their nose in other people's business. You were the first to take action, YOU justify it.

hi antifa

Heck, if people wanted to do that I would have no problem with it.
Raising a statue to begin with is a deliberate action.

Then get a fucking time machine and ask the people who built it, right now it was there and not harming anybody until you bunch of religious zealots decided that it was heresy. You are the aggressor in this case, and I'm not even American, but seeing you smaemy faggots do your usual bit is disgusting.

It's like crusaders decided to use sophistry instead of swords.

God, you such a weak stomach pussy. Not even British and don't really like the British, but even I would preserve those statues out of respect for the dead and because it exposed people to a part of our history.

Please drown yourself.

That doesn't make sense. What if someone had built a statue of hitler in Russia during ww2, are you saying the Russians shouldn't take it down after they've driven out the nazis?

It's not the point. The point is to not just let them win to make them feel better. The point is to show them the truth. That they are tearing down statues of great Americans, they show history. The show the losing side, something only the ((winning)) side wants to teach you about.

tearing down a statue or some other historical signifigant thing should make anyone angry. the fact that libshits do this proves they dont deserve life, they are psycopaths, and we must erase the problem

Are you over a year late to the game? Don't you remember what happened when they went after the flags?

Many of these statues were built long after the fact, a proxy of sorts for racist ideals. Any coincidence the statue in Charlottesville was built the same years as the Lincoln Memorial, a symbol of civil rights?
So I've a weak stomach for generally not giving a shit about worshipping idols?
There are many monuments to AMERICANS I could see removed without batting an eye. For example I really couldn't care less about Mt. Rushmore. Lazily constructed propaganda in the (native American) black Hills of one of America's most forgettable states. They don't even bother cleaning up the debris. What happened to not worshipping false idols, anyways.

Slavery has been used by every major civilization on the planet, including major religious figures like Mohammed. This is an effort to wipe out white history so they can replace us and they will not stop with Confederate monuments.

It's the inconsistency for me. Why don't they tear down the statue of Thomas Jefferson too? After all not only did he have slaves, he raped them too (Sally Hemings).

Meanwhile Robert E Lee never owned slaves.

It won't be long, you've got groups in Chicago and New York now who are calling for monuments of Jefferson and Washington to be torn down

I'm saying you're a willfully ignorant retard who will keep bleating the 'muh traitors' line, when in reality, the federal government betrayed the Constitution and the people in their actions at the time. But you commie pieces of shit do not care as long as you can push your culture destroying bullshit.

For what it's worth, commentors in this thread have challenged some of my ideas today. I must be going now though, I'm leaving my WiFi and I'm range banned so you won't be hearing any more from mere.
Take care folks

The fact of the matter is, comparing Robert E. Lee to Adolf Hitler is an entirely different spectrum. You've to be absolutely stupid to compare the two scenarios.

They're already talking about removing Jefferson and Washington statues. They want to completely destroy our history and replace it with their own leftist garbage.

See how you know you are a SJW faggot? Because your only weapon is sophistry.

This statue was not built by a conqueror in a strange land, this was built by the citizens to commemorate their history and their dead. So your comparison does not stand.

Second. It's not my place to tell Russians what they should and should not do. There is nothing that SHOULD be done. But if the statue had been there for centuries I would guess they are not that triggered by it.

Stupid lawyering may convince your fellow amerilards, but it sounds retarded to anyone looking to you from the outside. Christ what a fucking honorless society, always trying to get their way on faulty logic and technicalities.

If a race's history can be wiped out by removing some hollow bronze structures then that race deserves to die out.

Racism is a thing of the past, we need to be reminded everyday so that we don't repeat history.

The statues are part of what they want to erase.

Why do people care so much about the pyramids of Egypt that were allegedly literally built with slavery?

But you have to acknowledge that to some people lee is as good as hitler, just like to pol, all blacks are niggers and deserves to be exterminated. I think in the end whoever holds the majority opinion wins.

The thing is the citizens of the land is changing, the current citizens want these statues removed.

Perhaps to nulify some of the glorification plans like the Governor of Virginia had could be implemented to contextualize the pieces.

"'A great nation does not hide its history.' This statue was erected in _____ by _____ to honor Robert E Lee. It remains standing today not to glorify treasonous act and defense of slavery by the man but as a historical reminder of Confederate ideologies of the time period and how how Mich progress has been made since then and much more is still needed."

Probably looking for something more eloquent, but I hope I got the point across.

Ideally I'd have people vote on whether or not to remove the statues, but that seems unlikely to occur.

its the same because thats how people are told to feel. The problem is that theres an underlying ideology behind these attacks, they are not just removing some statue they are removing a part of white culture and identity, and since that identity is racist for them its valid to do so. But the attacks on "whiteness" wont stop them these people want to reshape their world into their socialistic world view and wont stop at that. Like Donald said you could make the same arguments about George Washington and Jefferson or any historical figure if you judge them by the current world values, you can even tear down the white house as it was build by slaves.

The attack will go on and will reach asinine proportions, you can say that if a person did not actively supporrted black that they dont deserve their place in history or that if they are succesful it was only beacuse they exploited people etc.

But what the destruction of those ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan by the Taliban? Or the destruction of ancient artifacts in Iraq and Syria by ISIS? Isn't this the same rationale? You win and it's okay to destroy everything that came before because it represents a defeated ideology? Is there something to be said for protecting the common cultural heritage of mankind?

Why don't we just knock down the pyramids? Just destroy everything we don't like that has controversial history behind it. Knock it all down. weeeeeeee *sigh*

I don't know, it just seems to me like if people really want to remember a part of history, unless you exterminate every single one of them, their history will be passed on thru many mediums. If removing representations of the history will destroy it forever then I suppose no one really put in the effort to remember it in the first place

Show me the poll. If somebody asked the citizens of the city or the state and they decided to remove it then I'm good with it.

They don't. These statutes are like 100 years old and 20 years ago, literally nobody cared about them. It's herd animals being whipped into a frenzy.

>Worshipping idols
>Missing the point that they're being torn down by people who hate American culture and use blatant lies to justify it, and if you give them an inch they will take a mile.

Isn't it silly that pieces of paper people "worship" keep me from murdering you and taking all of your shit? Lol let's get rid of those, so stupid it's just paper and ink.

Thanks for confirming again that you're retarded.

Guys, its time to simply shoot workers or alt-left protesters when they want to remove statues. You americans have guns, use them. A few shots, then run /drive away.