What do you think of separation of church and state?

What do you think of separation of church and state?

It seems to me that the separation of church and state has weakened the West. Where Europe was once united by one faith, it is now splintered into many different fractions and sects. Perhaps separation of church and state didn't cause that, but it certainly accelerated it. This acceleration will lead to the fall of the West unless the state is united with the church.

The church protects against moral and cultural decay, while the state upholds rights and duties and protects the people. United they are stronger, separated they are weaker.

Take a look at the United States of America and European countries. The constitution separates church and state. Has this benefited the USA and Europe? Probably not as much as we might think. There is moral and cultural decay in much of the West which can be attributed to the separation of church and state.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussites
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Separation of church and state is good.

Man is the ultimate god. Fuck you godslaves.

We need to rediscover actual white religion not this desert semetic crap

its even in the bible:
"My kingdom is not part of this world, otherwise my disciples would have fought so that I may not be handed over to you" Jesus to Pilatius after his arrest.

We know that no christian in the 1st century kept or had a political office, not in rome and not outside of it.

Its only after centuries that this slowly changed

>We know that no christian in the 1st century kept or had a political office, not in rome and not outside of it.

That's because there was only like 30 of the fuckers.

Is it good to blaspheme God?

There is no ''white religion'', just as there is no ''black religion''. If you separate church and state, you will end up iwht moral and cultural decay and the fall of your country into enemy hands.

It doesn't say what you think it says. Selective quotation doesn't help the case for separation of church and state. Christians in the 1st century didn't keep or had a political office, because Christians were persecuted by Rome at that time. Outside of Rome, Christians were persecuted by Jews, so Christians had to meet and teach risking their lives and some of them became martyrs for proclaiming the gospel to the world.

I will blaspheme your God and all the rest of the gods. I will not give them one iota of my worship and feed them my power. I will not be their slave and neither should you.

If all men worship men then man can ascend to the god throne.

Did you come to that conclusion yourself? Don't be naive, you are not god or ascend to his throne.

Feel free to keep being a slave and keeping your very own people down.

I have seen the light and I will fight for man.

I'm telling people not to be morally and culturally corrupt, how is that keeping people down?

You haven't seen the light, otherwise you would see the moral and cultural fall of the West. You are blind to this, because you are not free.

Not even close.

"and on this day about 3000 were added to their ranks" somewhere in the first chapters of acts of apostles.
There were many, many christians at that time.

>It doesn't say what you think it says. Selective quotation doesn't help the case for separation of church and state. Christians in the 1st century didn't keep or had a political office, because Christians were persecuted by Rome at that time. Outside of Rome, Christians were persecuted by Jews, so Christians had to meet and teach risking their lives and some of them became martyrs for proclaiming the gospel to the world.
They were persecuted for not holding office, not the other way around.

Also this is not at all selective but is confirmed many times in the bible "the world will hate you because you are not part of it" and "adulterers, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God?" (James)

There's an old tower you would've loved.

Had a court case recently in Australia with someone arguing "muh separation" over chaplains in public schools. While the case was partly upheld over procedural issues with the funding the judges made sure point out there's no such thing in our law.

Thousands of people became Christian in the first century on the day of Pentecost. Thousands more became Christian at other times and places, they were persecuted by the Romans and the Jews in the first century.

This. Hail Loki!

I see it all. I don't see the failures of the West as an isolated incident. I see it as a failure of all peoples to realize this one truth.

The true separation of religion and state will thrust humanity into a huge prosper.

>WHITE PERSON

The Romans demanded that Christians deny Christ if they wanted to hold office. Christians who didn't comply where persecuted.

You are quoting selectively and out of context, because neither the apostles nor the church fathers taught separation of church and state. The separation of church and state is only 200 years old and started with the US and French constitution/revolution.

i grew up Christian, abandon it in my 20s. Now in my 30s I now understand how important it is in modern times. We are on a dark path boys.

>A couple of thousand
>barely a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the total population

>Why weren't any of them them the leaders of countries?

None of them are socialism and entitlement programs either

Your ''truth'' has led to the cultural and moral decay of the West. Boys are told they can be girls and girls are told they can be boys. This is not freedom, but slavery.

That is a Marxist utopia.

>separation
The church is nearly dead now because of it. You either obey mans law or Gods. Secularism killed the west.
Achtung Juden
These jews are the reason for western decline, they dont read the Bible, but hope if they google and paste it you'll agree or something.

Separation of church and state is flawed because it can be easily subverted through a secular crypto-religion such as progressivism

What about modern western countries isn't true separation of church and state?

The original poster said there were only 30, but in reality there were thousands of Chrisians in the first century.

Based leaf

>now i understand
You're no longer blind, it is the best thing that can ever happen to you, but fear not this world

none of them say separation of church and state either
also constitution says year of our lord

The problem is what they are being told, not the freedom. What you are seeing is the clashing of ideologies.The tabula rasa is freedom.

Jesus' multitudes imply thousands. Crowds greeting him chanting Hoseanna

>In order to break all power of resistance of the Romanian people, the Jews will apply a truly unique and diabolical plan:
>1. They will try to break the spiritual ties of the Romanian to heaven, and to earth. To break our ties with heaven they will engage in widespread dissemination of atheistic theories in order to separate the Romanian people or at least some of the leaders from God; separating them from God and their dead they can destroy them, not by sword but by severing the roots of their spiritual life.
>To break our ties binding us to the land, the material source of a nation's existence, they will attack nationalism, labelling it "outmoded," and everything related to the idea of fatherland and soil, in order to cut the love thread tying the Romanian people to their furrow.
>2. In order to succeed in this, they will endeavour to get control of the press.
>3. They will take advantage of every opportunity to sow discord in the Romanian camp, spreading misunderstandings, quarrels, and if possible to split it into factions fighting each other.
>4. Will seek to gain control of most of the means of livelihood of the Romanians.
>5. They will systematically urge Romanians on to licentiousness, destroying their families and their moral fiber.
>6. They will poison and daze them with all kinds of drinks and other poisons.
>Anyone wishing to conquer and destroy a people could do it by using this system: Breaking its ties with heaven and land, introducing fratricidal quarrels and fights, promoting immorality and licentiousness, by material ruin, physical poisoning, drunkenness, all these destroy a nation more than being blasted by thousands of cannon or bombed by thousands of airplanes.

Be gone jew

Fuck you cryptokike. You are the jew, not me. You automatically assume men are weak willed, because you are born with the concept of the "goyim".

I believe in the human potential and the ideal that we can strive to better ourselves and our community if we all believed in ourselves as the sole gods.

You believe in corruption, not self-betterment.

I thought fedoras were dying out

This is dishonest bullshit when you try it with the Second Amendment and no better when you try it with the first. Also, out of nowhere, while the Awans get indicted and Spain gets Islammed, there are multiple redundant threads about separation of church and state.

America is the result of a bunch of people saying that they hate the church and state NOT being separated SO NUCH that they said FUCK THIS and started the greatest country to ever exist.

You deny Christ, ipso facto you are a jew.

>but fear not this world

Ok Shakespeare - keep up the high quality LARPing

>people who want separation of church and state seem to always want government influenced by science
What's funny is many things in science are just theories, why exactly do we have carbon taxes, overregulation of the environment, forced quotas, etc? Carbon taxes are a modern form of the catholic sin tax.

No system would work because man corrupts , when america was founded they fled religious prosecution because the catholics were murdering bastards and after that the protestants did their part

Church and state is best

Who is anna and why do you want to hose her?

Science and religion are fundamentally opposites, that's why you see a State usually embrace either one or the other.

When a society or culture embraces science and technology they also experience periods of great peace and wealth. The renaissance in Europe happened because people embraced science, not because people became more religious.

>If all men worship men then man can ascend to the god throne.
No, that would just make us all gay and then there wouldn't be any more babies.

Or an atheist, muslim, buddhist, shinto, etc. Pretty much everything other than christian denies Christ.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christians_in_science_and_technology

who gives a shit what some piece of paper says?

law is just an opinion with a gun.

Don't get me wrong user. I'm not saying you can't believe in God and still be a great scientist. Whole governments tend to go one way or another though. That, and more science generally tends to mean less religious belief. That's how it was for me anyway.

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights,


About your pic the words are not used because no one knew what christianity was anymore , the for fathers went for church and state so not one christian sect could make a power grab , but they were all bible believing christians

>If the Christian religion, as I understand it, or as you understand it, should maintain its ground, as I believe it will, yet Platonic, Pythagoric, Hindoo, and cabalistic Christianity, which is Catholic Christianity, and which has prevailed for 1,500 years, has received a mortal wound, of which the monster must finally die. Yet so strong is his constitution, that he may endure for centuries before he expires.

John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson (July 16, 1814). From the Works of John Adams, Vol. X, p. 100

>the slave of as many masters as he has vices.
This is where you're at. I don't know why you're complaining. You've already succeeded in bringing your secular zealotry to the masses by the sounds of it.

>Catholic scientists, both religious and lay, have led scientific discovery in many fields. From ancient times, Christian emphasis on practical charity gave rise to the development of systematic nursing and hospitals and the Church remains the single greatest private provider of medical care and research facilities in the world. Following the Fall of Rome, monasteries and convents remained bastions of scholarship in Western Europe and clergymen were the leading scholars of the age – studying nature, mathematics, and the motion of the stars (largely for religious purposes). During the Middle Ages, the Church founded Europe's first universities, producing scholars like Robert Grosseteste, Albert the Great, Roger Bacon, and Thomas Aquinas, who helped establish the scientific method. During this period, the Church was also a great patron of engineering for the construction of elaborate cathedrals. Since the Renaissance, Catholic scientists have been credited as fathers of a diverse range of scientific fields: Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) prefigured the theory of evolution with Lamarckism, Friar Gregor Mendel (1822-1884) pioneered genetics, and Fr Georges Lemaitre (1894-1966) proposed the Big Bang cosmological model. The Jesuits have been particularly active, notably in astronomy. Church patronage of sciences continues through elite institutions like the Pontifical Academy of Sciences and Vatican Observatory.

None of those words are "separation" "church" or "state" either. Is there a point somewhere?

Religious freedom is why they came, to have a Protestant life away from papists. Thus why it looked good on paper even when over half of the signers had seminary degrees. What you ignore is the creep of the jew that started in the festering urban areas, then with relaxing anti-blasphemy laws, radio mass communication which gave us world wars and womens suffrage , jews quickly took that over and then required (free)! atheist based education. These founding fathers were men who would've never have agreed to these things. Thats why jews like you pretend 20th century secularism was what they intended, when nothing could be further than the truth.

TThe venn diagrams of faith and science do not even intersect.
The muslim/budhist dont scream like the atheist jew denying Christ. Ignorance is not denial. Most have never even heard the gospel, whereas you have probably heard it like every jew has, yet you embrace evil like only a jew would. The atheist denier of Christ and the jew are one in the same.

stem grad here, science solidified my faith more than anything. It sounds like you let the commie jews sink their claws in you deep. You fell for the snowflake i'm special meme huh?

>the atheist jew
I don't think you understand how atheism works, son.

There is nothing in the constitution about separation of church and state. Just that there shall be no state run church... Any church is more then welcome to rule the state should they be democratically elected.

When men stopped going to church, and women to university indoctrination programs, is where Western civilisations wheels fell off.

Read .

Separation of church and state doesn't mean abandon christ it means you can practice whatever religion you want without the state interfering, and at the time it was written there were all sorts of weird sects of Christianity in America like Rosecrucians and such, who were persecuted elsewhere. This is the idea America was founded on, to deny the separation of church and state means you deny what America stands for in its most basic values.

Atheists believe there is no god or higher power. They believe the natural world we can observe directly or with telescopes, microscopes, etc. is all there is.

Jews believe in Yahweh, the god of the Torah, a supernatural being who created the heaven and the earth.

See the contradiction yet?

And by the way America being a Christian theocracy is fucking retarded and anyone who promotes this idea should be deported

There are no believing jews, they are all immoral atheists with maybe a few deists in the mix. You and the jew are indifferentiable in your immortality degeneracy and hatred for God..

see Modern Atheism is a political ideology wrapped in cultural marxism, with religious faith in nothing, just the persuit of materialism and hedonism.

Jews are a non-believing cultural group who are 99% atheist (just like you), they are also the marxists behind its spread and recruitment from gullible apostates like you.

State run church in the modern world
>I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior
>great, fill out the application and submit it to the Department of Baptisms
>wait six months
>Sorry, we have no record of your application, please submit a new one
>wait six months
>Sorry, your salvation case worker was promoted to the district office, we need you to resubmit an application through our fast track program online
>wait six months
>get a letter of denial in the mail box with my name but someone else's social security number on it. No reason given for denial

Heh, it'd be just like now without jew ownership of all mass communication and with anti-blasphemy laws that carried the death penalty. Women in their place and zero fags.

Nope. I like my church, but if it loses the Holy Spirit and there is nothing I can do to stop it, I'll go find a new one. I couldn't do that with a state monopolized church.

Evidence for this? Or are you just regurgitating shit you ate in another thread?

It's common tactic among cults to inflate their membership numbers.

Ideally there would be none, but since man is corrupt, I think it is best to keep the church away from the potential harm that the government can do.

I don't think that the way the SCOTUS interprets separation is correct.

Even though the Constitution doesn't mention Christianity, it's extremely clear that America is a Christian nation because of the main influences on the Constitution, and the basic values of the times it was created.

Good idea, let's put the vatican in charge. Or have we already, but just didn't know it?

>Even though the Constitution doesn't mention Christianity
western civilization is based on the idea that a god exists, you can't just say that the constitution doesn't mention christianity. the existence of a god is buried deep within western culture.

>Europe was once united by one faith

The separation of church and state was inspired by the fact Europe was NOT united by one state and the constant Catholic-Protestant wars you historically illiterate retard.

I don't want to bring back the church and the state being the same so some heretic can tell me that I need to be in favour of an army of refugees or I'm going against the word of the lord.

I live in Utah where there is absolutely no separation between church and state. In fact, our capital building is 5 minutes from the Mormon temple. When our representatives go on break, they all go to the temple, meet with the prophet and decide how they will vote on certain issues. They vote on issues that are important to the church (Referencing alcohol laws) and use that as a way to legally control the masses. The church should never be allowed to manipulate the state because not all of us believe in your magic sky wizard and bastard who're baby.

>America and European countries. The constitution separates church and state

What the fuck are you blathering on about? Europe has no separation of church and state and is now being conquered by muslims. America does and we are much better off than europe.

>moral and cultural decay

When will you christians take responsibility for your own christian degeneracy?

Literally nothing in the bible is in the constitution.

The corruption and degradation of the west is more multi-faceted than just the loss of a dominant religious hegemony. The fracturing of cultural, ethinc, national will goes past just spirituality and religious affiliation, but that is part of it. The democratic-republican political process is one which is predicated on the subversion of national unity, in the sharing of power between factions and the necessity of compromise and dissention therein. On top of that, ethnic multi-racial fractures the political will, in that groups such as these have naturally opposing interests. One religion, one race, one culture, one language, one tribe, one nation, this is where strength comes from. The Founding Fathers were a bunch of faggots and their shitty ideas are proto-communist. Anyone who supports them are faggots too and are irredeemable cucks who too will get theirs on the day of the rope.

It's the only way for the West to survive. It mattered less in the east because they had an emperor and symphonia, and easterners are to this day predisposed to centralized power. But the west has always comprised many small states, and both solutions--catholicism and cuis regio, eius religio--led to intrigue and war. So we must separate religion and the state.

Atheism only describes one lack of belief, in a deity, it is not a system of beliefs like a religion, many religions like Buddhism and Jainism are atheistic. Associating atheism with jewry is rich coming from an Abrahamic believer like yourself whose entire morals, prophets and tenets were based on jewish faiths.

American secularism and European secularism are two entirely different concepts.

The concept of the separation of church and state in America was predicated on a benevolent love of God while seeking to keep religious policies out of the government; many (but not all) colonists and their descendants had come to America because of religious persecution, which came from policies and state religions.

Even into the mid-20th century even some hardcore liberals were very devout Christians and evoked Christian theology in speeches and in their policy positions (while not actually advocating Christian theology as the *basis* of policies).

European secularism was founded on a hatred for state religion. It started with the French Revolution. The bourgeoisie that led the early stages of the Revolution were vehemently anti-church and anti-priest because even some nobles had sided with the early Revolution against the King; the clergy were almost unified in their opposition to it. As the Revolution wore on the revolutionaries adopted outright anti-religious and atheistic policies to destroy the Catholic Church in France, disparage or even liquidate the clergy, and adopt new religions (state atheism, or Robespierre's child, the Cult of the Supreme Being).

European secularism has hated religion and seeks to keep it out of the lives of *everyone*. European secularism is the tool of the globalists. American secularism respects religion for its beauty. Don't listen to the faggots that want to introduce European secularism to America. They are traitors.

Yah none are open borders either

>Europe once united by one faith

> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East–West_Schism

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Schism
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Crusade

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despenser's_Crusade

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waldensians

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussites

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lollardy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion

top kek try again retard

The catholics are in charge with the jesuits

youtube.com/watch?v=xQ8FFD1rJJI

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