Communism

Why aren't you a communist? You know its the only political system that eliminates the exploitation and alienation of the worker right?

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Because I don't need an overarching big daddy state to help me do things I can do on my own through my own merits.

>exploitation
At the moment, what you mean by this is literally equal standards. Affirmative action is Marxist redistribution of careers. That's right down to the source of capital in a technocratic society.

>inb4 lalala not communism because the Soviets didn't do it
Yeah, because this is designed to make people racist and sexist to cause revolution. Why would the Soviets sabotage their own state?

fuck off commie

Halp, I am being paid a wage me and my employer agreed upon, I am being "exploited", this fine gentleman with the big nose surely will help and doesn't have an alterior motive. Surely.

Capitalist nations build walls to stop people from getting in, communist nations build walls to stop people from getting out. Communist states are slave societies. They are slaves to the commissars. It is not a worthy existence for a human to have, but a complex sick system whose elimination is a worthy human endeavor.

Communists are all around better people

"They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work"

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>workers cant be exploited if they are all dead from starvation
>black man pointing to his head.jpg

Communists and Nazis are the same people.

Kill yourself.

Communism: It'll make a man out of you!

You could start by looking up the definitions

ad hominem, that person doesn't represent the communist ideology and the hammer and sickle is obviously shopped anyway.

>Why aren't you a communist?

Communism is the very definition of failure.

I like food and need some to live

Communism offers poor solutions to simple issues, that can be easily solved by not being communist.

and your ideology hasn't failed in some way. Quitters are the definition of failure but Communism lives on.

Sorry, how about this one?

Maybe this one?

your cherry picked photo's have nothing to do with Marx's philosophy

communism is a lie. it is the modern form of religion. it gives moral authority to the ruling elite. you are a tool. look at your flag. tools.

You don't know how it works.

His philosophy appeals to literal human failures for people who contribute nothing but believe they're owed everything.

It's why you only see people age 25 and under shouting about MUH GREAT GOMMUNISM, it's literal retard-tier ideology that appeals to the worst of society.

I'm guessing that's why you like it?

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I don't give a fuck about the "worker" I think he's a low IQ moron and deserves to be exploited. He's lucky we just don't get rid of him and replace him with a robot. Fuck communists and fuck you for posting this retarded bait thread.

What do you do for a living?

Have you ever heard of a book called the Gulag Archipelago? It was written by a man who spent 15 years as a part of the Soviet prison system, and details explicitly the process by which the implementation of each of Marx's theories into Soviet law led to the slaughter of literally millions of innocents. It's a tough read at 2100 pages, but it won a Nobel prize for a reason. Read it to learn a little more about communism OP, if nothing else to learn why everyone in this thread is making these arguments against you.

Its a philosophy for workers. You earn what you make through the fruits of your labour.

I already do that and I have good healthcare. And $4000 tuition reimbursement for undergrad. $5000 for grad level. And a flexible schedule. And cross training so I'm a more valuable employee.

What do you do again?

It's purpose is to literally exploit and alienate the worker tho...

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Problem is, son, workers typically have zero concept of the costs to create and operate the means of production.

It's why Zimbabwe is what it is - when you don't know what you're doing and decide to "seize the means", you end up a fucking dumpy hellhole from your own arrogance and greed.

Something tells me you haven't actually "worked" anything other than at a bookstore, coffee shop or similar low-level position, which breeds envy and jealousy for those who worked harder to move up, and causes you to believe in fairy tale meme ideologies that make you think you're as capable as those who are running the show.

Hint: if you HAD actual value to society, you'd be doing more and achieving more. Communism blames one's laziness and lack of drive on the evils of capitalism, rather than ever asking the individual to be remotely introspective and accept personal accountability.

Again, that's why it's appealing to a 25 year old with a Gender Studies degree and $75k in student debt who makes $10/hour pouring lattes all day.

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...because I wanna be able to look in the eyes of my children and not cry of shame when they ask me how many people communism killed.

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Because it doesn't hold up economically, especially when compared to mixed market economies.

>Problem is, son, workers typically have zero concept of the costs to create and operate the means of production.

Who does it now? are those people going to just disappear? You realize that it involves work either way right.

What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about getting paid fair for the work you do.

I have read his work yes. I don't really see how it correlates with Marx's main theories, he never wrote about how to deal with prisoners.

by introducing poverty and mass starvation

nice! slava stalin :DDDDD

Because I'm the person who commies want to steal from.

Why do only poor people and the elite support communism?

the ultimate goal of existence to NOT work or labor. By that there is no work or required exertion necessary. If someone chooses to put forth physical or mental effort okay but it is not compelled or compulsory. That is not to say there is no activity or endeavors to pursue or that everyone would be a couch potato, but personal edification through learning doing experiencing would be the way things are, not having to constantly do labor or work to survive. Leisure time is the highest quality of existence. The worst way of existence is to be a worker, to HAVE to be a laborer to subsist and survive. When one achieves personal advancement in many areas they are then free and magnanimous with their fellow humans and other living things. Labor required or forced labor is enslavement. When there is no required labor then there will be no 'labor' or 'socialist' political parties or any government system based upon the concept of 'labor' or 'workers'. Free yourself free your fellow humanity.

>Why do only poor people and the elite support communism?
poor people think they have something to gain while the elite want to use it to stay in control

>Who does it now?
I never disagreed that the workers have value, but they do not have the same value as the person who put their finances on the line to create the company. They have none of the same risk, hence, they do not get the same reward. Meritocracy is a bitch, ain't it?

>are those people going to just disappear?
Unfortunately for you, in many cases, they will as automation takes over. Some of that is profit-driven, some is due to the laziness and lack of reliability of most modern low-level workers, and some is because of the low-level workers having zero grasp on finance and thinking that everything is worth $20/hour. Kiosks will be replacing most low-level service jobs soon, robotics in assembly, that's the future whether you like it or not.

>You realize that it involves work either way right.
Yes, and again, because of the high demands vs. low returns given by many workers, they'll find themselves eliminated in due time.

Those who have value will be kept, those who do not are replaced. That's how it works.

Don't like it? Open your own business. But, that takes money, credit, patience, time, and a whole lot more that 99.9% of the population does not have in them.

>exploitation and alienation of the worker
Literally spooks, "exploitation" and "alienation" is only a thing if you want it to be a thing.

Except it'll never work like that. Someone or a group will cease the military and control of government and then you will find your labor being mandatory or you do not eat. Then you'll find your labor being used to make the elite rich again. Communism is like Democracy, it doesn't last. It is just transitional phase. Once you hand all authority over to the government you will find yourself not better off or freer, you will find yourself the property.

>merit

It was rhetorical, but you're correct.

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>cease the military
It would be hard to control the government without a military.

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I hate the whole "spooks" term, but it's applicable on these.

Nobody is being "exploited" if they agree to a wage in exchange for their services. Nobody forced anyone to take a job against their will, so therefore, it's never, ever exploitation by default. Don't agree to do something you don't want to do, problem is solved.

I have no idea on the purpose of commie's "alienation" - everywhere I worked in my younger days on the lower end, there was always camaraderie among the low level employees, much more so than middle/upper because those people were stressed to hell and had a lot more demands put on them to really enjoy each other's company. I guess "alienation" now means "someone else here is getting something more than I am, so I feel oh so alone because it's not an equal pay utopian paradise".

Better to be dead than red.

But he hated Marxist scum

> eliminates the exploitation and alienation of the worker

Just ask Gulag survivors how much they enjoyed not being exploited and alienated.

They lived such wonderful lives. Full of work, injuries and death. Meals sometimes too!

I heard Mao was pretty cool too. A lot of people loved his work to death policies.

They were all like:

>ching chong chin I want to die from working and starving, end this exploitation pls ching lol hehe

What am I doing with my life? I just watched a movie in HD 3D after fucking my hot girlfriend and eating till I was full. I could be working and starving right now and ending this exploitation and alienation!

because I am not exploited or alienated.

Its also the only political system worse then fascism.

This is degenerate. Gas yourself. It is the pride of white society that we can internalize the laws and right ways of acting such that we are not constantly niggershining and blowing out our moral codes.

Paris Hilton is actually not talentless, though she did immensely benefit from being beautiful and capitalize greatly on it which most women do at least in the form of attaching to a wealthy man.

She's also also. Tesla was not, did not live in America his whole life, and despite some brilliance don't fall for the meme of him being some kind of God king.

Capitalism allows you to choose what you spend your money on any way you like, so long as it's legal. It also allows you to pass your life's work and accumulated wealth on to your progeny so that they may carry on what you began and continue your success.

Communism ensures nobody gets ahead other than the bureaucrats who make the rules, it is more "unequal" than capitalism as there's no middle class, you have (bureaucrat/politician) or you have not (worker), and dare you voice your opinion over it, you'll find yourself whisked away somewhere that's a lot less fun than where you previously were.

What's really comical is that none of you young commies acknowledge the violence and "vanishings" that happen in every.communist.nation. when people speak out about it not being the perfect system.

I'll take the system that allows me to control my destiny more than the other, and allows me to criticize it if I choose to.

None of you live in commie nations, because if you did, you could get here except without some added work. And then, if your "leaders" knew this was the place you were spending time at, you'd disappear tomorrow.

The only time I've seen communism work was in Dwarf Fortress and that's still only until the nobles arrive.

because I'm not a lazy liberal that is afraid of work

See

What's wrong are you upset because mommy and daddy want you to get a job and you refused to go to church with them on sunday
Grow up loser

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>You don't know how it works.
neither do you.. why not talk to someone who lived it?

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Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

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>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. X_-DDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :-DDDDd
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all FUG. When capitalists run away we win and I gill you all. Eventually the fungtions of state stob and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
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It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :-DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. (BENIS :_DD)

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>Sdage 4
Nod real gommunism. Nexzt gountry. problems werent. :-DDdd

>Why aren't you a communist?
Materialistic ideology for losers who can't accept that sometimes in life you fail because of bad genetics not because of the "evil system". I want an actual marxist to explain to me how a nation like the Netherlands in it's entire history outproduced in goods and intellect the entirety of Africa despite having less resources than the niggers. Explain to me if you believe in equality.

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>You earn what you make through the fruits of your labour.
i do that now. so would you if you tried the labour part.

THAG YOU, GOMRADE.

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kek

Shut up Joseph, we both know how you begged to let a girl rail you with a strap-on, you stupid spic.

What's wrong OP? No rebuttal to ?

>tfw your entire ideology is destroyed by a freezer selection full of popsicles

go neck yourself.
this.

I lived in a communist country ... on the surface it worked pretty well (probably better that any communist country ever) BUT on the top ware fat fucks enjoying the riches while the workers slaved away. until you eliminate greed from humans ... communism is just an utopia in will not work. At least in capitalism you have a chance in communism only if you're friends or family of the pigs on top.

Tradesmen are the best capitalists ever you dumb cunt. Work for a sub. They pay your apprenticeship. Save money. Get tools. Get heavy equipment. Get experience. Start your own business. Hire younger guys to help you out because you can't be doing manual labour into your old age.

I always laugh at the retarded white beard former hippies working as lollipop ladies (traffic controllers) with their CFEMU (union) stickers on their helmets. Shitcunts.

my grandparents were killed by Communists when they were in the ricefields, they literally dindu nuffin

Western socialism has been taken over by the bourgeoisie. Remember, it's not the 1%, it is the middle class that votes for wage-suppressing mass immigration, segregates themselves in racially-homogeneous enclaves, leverages the entire public and private economy on usurious capital, prioritizes consumption over productivity, and appropriates public funds to subsidize middle class lifestyles. We live in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. We need an ultraconservative patriotic peoples dictatorship with a socialist market economy.

its a personal anecdote and subjective opinion.

Those obviously weren't real commies, real commies don't kill people except the bourgeoisie :^)

Way to skirt the issue and not actually respond

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hurr durr communism kills people
durr hurr peoples lives is bigest value

Being a nazi, I respect commies far more than liberals. But of course, I will have to murder them in the forthcoming war.

>the middle class that votes for wage-suppressing mass immigration
I never have.
>segregates themselves in racially-homogeneous enclaves
I used to live in areas where blacks were nearby. Got my car broken into, got mugged, no more. Sticking to your own is human nature, integration is not.
>leverages the entire public and private economy on usurious capital
You talking about kikes now?
>prioritizes consumption over productivity
I expect my workers to be productive just as I am. If they aren't, they get fired. Simple stuff.
>appropriates public funds to subsidize middle class lifestyles
This is rich. The middle class are the ONLY ones who pay taxes now, and are the ones who are giving the most to breaks for the rich and gibs for the poor, not the ones who are benefiting more than anyone else. Where do you find these comical things to put out? Fugg, when I lived in the city, I paid property taxes out the nose to pay for Milwaukee ghetto kids to NOT go to school, and so that Laqueesha could stay home on the dole all day. Still waiting for "my benefit" from what I had to pay, can you explain when I'll get it?

Commies, illogical every single time.

And a crisp high five to you dude. Voice of reason in this thread

Communism doesn't help the working class, at least if this stupid shit ever occurs here i'll get to liberate stupid middle class people of their belongings and housing who wanted this to happen.

It really depends. Trotskykikes deserve an immediate gassing.

Then how about these commies here? None of these are "cherry picked."

Not even close fag

I value freedom over enforced "equality".

How do I delete the thread? I am so embarrassed by how badly I got BTFO

>hurrr muh burgeoise
>meanwhile the communist party just replaced them and takes over ALL CONTROL with no possible objection because they have all the power and money

Brainwashed communist supporters are about the dumbest fuckers I have ever met in my life. They don't know their history, they don't know their philosophy, and they don't know how to think critically (which is why you always get the ITS NOT REAL COMMUNISM shit)

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Wait wait... but how many people capitalism killed? Looks like there is much more victims than from communism.

Don't forget to cry of shame on the pillow today.

Go on IRC and tell a mod to ban you.

The overwhelming pattern of the white middle-class is to be simultaneously self-interested, and nationally self-destructive, even if there are exceptions. This is cuck phenomenon that so many on the right speak of. The bourgeoisie as a whole have no national loyalty. Their patriotism is just individualism with a flag. The middle class will never give up government-backed housing loans which are the primary source of middle-class wealth. And it's the middle class that in producing the blue haired anarchs that want to destroy everything under the banner of socialism. It's middle class intellectuals who shifted Marxism from economics to pure cultural critique. I don't actually think Marxism is the answer in the west, the individualist western mind just uses it for moral posturing. Working-class kids don't join the New Left, they rightly join fascist movements, but their individualist sensibilities destroy fascism as well. The only hope for the west is a fascistic civic nationalism that can absorb some level of racial diversity, but that's not going to happen. Instead the west is going to balkanize into irrelevant, while the eastern socialist market economies continue to grow.

Liberalism cannot survive modernity.

The only people who get killed explicitly because of capitalism are those who died of workplace related causes due to lack or regulation.

Unless you're talking about the commies that were BTFO in war against the U.S. but they don't count.